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Rutherford Discovery Fellowships

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Article on a modest research grant, PRODded with reason "No indication of notability. Fails WP:GNG." Article de-PRODded with reason "removed deletion tag as I disagree with this nomination: the RDFs were a well-known, primary means of science funding in New Zealand, and have now been replaced by a comparably notable programme which is linked in the article. will also add {{old prod}} to talk page. I edited the text of the page as well to highlight why the fellowship scheme is notable, and removed text that seemed redundant or simply parroting what appears on the RSNZ website." However, none of the sources given are independent of the subject. On the talk page it is suggested to merge this article with Tāwhia te Mana Research Fellowships, but that article suffers from the same sourcing deficit. PROD reason still stands, hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 12:38, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no sources that pass independence requirement. —Rutebega (talk) 17:40, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Randykitty, your nomination is silent on WP:BEFORE. Could you please outline what you have done about it? Schwede 66 18:47, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One thing they did was delete a huge amount of information from the page. DrThneed (talk) 19:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I've restored that table. Schwede 66 00:37, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a procedural vote, opposing the deletion, as the nominator has not responded to my query whether they have followed WP:BEFORE. Schwede 66 18:38, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm baffled, this is the first time I see such a "procedural vote". I apologize for having a real life independent of WP (I know, isn't that shocking that such exists?), so I didn't answer immediately. As BEFORE I did a Google search and only found mentions that were not independent (either from the website of the granting agency/academy or a note on the website of the organism employing an awardee). I did not find any independent reliable sources that discussed these grants in depth. Perhaps you can now change your "procedural !vote" into a policy-based one. --Randykitty (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - by NZ standards this is a very large research grant. Further sources can be added. Note, I have a COI, being a former recipient. Paul (talk) 03:24, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Kia ora Paul, thanks for recognising COI. If you have sources, could you please post them on the talk page? Someone without a COI will work those in, I'm sure. Schwede 66 03:40, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also have a COI but agree and stated similarly in my initial disagreement with Randykitty regarding deletion. The fellowships are well known in NZ and are the primary means by which early-mid-career scientists get funding, outside of MBIE or Marsden grants.

A quick google news search turns up a few non-university sources citing RDFs:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/123205558/astronomy-academic-looking-to-unlock-the-mysteries-of-the-universe

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2017/10/18/maori-academic-awarded-prestigious-scholarship/

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ourchangingworld/20111006 Kauri-kauri (talk) 22:08, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – meets GNG. Article has been expanded with many independent sources which a simple WP:BEFORE search would have caught. (Thanks, DrThneed) Cremastra (talk · contribs) 01:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per substantial referencing by DrThneed.-Gadfium (talk) 05:03, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article has now been the victim of serious refbombing. There are too many "sources" to verify them all, but a good sample shows that none of them is an independent reliable source about the award. A mention on the website or in the house magazine of university XYZ that John Doe got this award does not contribute to notability as required by WP:GNG. If ever this article gets kept, that humongous list of recipients needs to go (WP:NOTADIRECTORY, WP:UNDUE; such lists belong on their own website, WP is not a webhost). In all, I'm far from convinced that the changes made since my nom show notability. Perhaps one of the "keep" !voters above can list 3 independent sources that meet the requirements of GNG and I'll be happy to withdraw my nom. --Randykitty (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See my reply above with 3 sources, I found these quite quickly with a google news search. I have a COI so will leave it to others to edit but just noting that it's quite easy to find mentions of RDFs and RDF recipients in the NZ news (not just from university webpages) Kauri-kauri (talk) 22:10, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Evacuation tip

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Unsourced page on a topic that is not notable. While the term "Evacuation tip" has sources in Google or Scholar they are for something completely different, tips used to evacuate in dentistry. PROD by User:Chidgk1 & PROD2 by nom was contested by User:Kvng as WP:NOTCLEANUP which seems to be irrelevant - a term that has no relevant sources cannot be cleaned. At most this could be redirected to a sentence in Vacuum Tube although I am very dubious. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:42, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I guess I was moving too quickly when I deprodded this. I agree, my deprod rationale doesn't make sense. Though Tube socket and Vacuum tube are potential merge or redirect destinations, that's not going to work without some rework and there is no sourced content here to salvage. 23:44, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
Redirect to Tube socket, where it is mentioned. This seems more like an entry in a glossary, not something that needs a whole page here. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 00:43, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kallar Kahar Science College

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This article's pretty much built entirely on primary sources. If it weren't an educational institution, it would've been an easy A7 speedy delete. But since A7 doesn't apply here, I'm bringing it to AfD instead. Junbeesh (talk) 11:55, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The article meets notability requirements under WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and WP:General Notability Guideline. The college has been the subject of multiple independent, reliable news sources:

In 2013, it secured all top three positions in the Pre-Medical and Pre-Engineering groups in BISE Rawalpindi's HSSC results. (Dawn, link)
In 2018, a student from the college achieved first position again in the BISE results. (Geo News, link)
The institution has also been covered by 24NewsHD following a transportation incident in 2025. (link)

These reliable, third-party sources demonstrate that the college is independently notable beyond its own promotional materials. I have added verifiable references, improved neutrality, and rewritten the article to comply with Wikipedia content policies. Unknown (talk) 12:10, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FaheemPindiSaidpur The first two sources link to irrelevant articles and the third source leads to an error page. Please do not use LLMs to communicate or write anything on Wikipedia, see WP:LLM. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 19:10, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks you for notifying me. I'm improving this page Unknown (talk) 03:40, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete doesn't meet the WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and WP:GNG. Links above provided by an editor leads to error, page not found or irrelevant news article. Behappyyar (talk) 11:15, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources, appears that minimal coverage exists outside of social media mentions. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 19:34, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nick D. Kim

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The lack of independent sourcing to establish notability is still an issue since the 2009 discussion. Sources are still not present to establish his notability.

Since that discussion, he has been mentioned in many books, but those are passing mentions crediting him for the pictures used in them. Roast (talk) 07:05, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The single source referenced in the article is not an independent source as it is written by the subject. The claim of notability in the article is ‘best fan artwork’ from a fan convention, which is not a notable award that would be considered as "won significant critical attention" or any other part of WP:ARTIST. My search for other possible significant coverage in independent reliable sources turned up nothing. I found instead a self-published book and wikipedia copies. Asparagusstar (talk) 19:46, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. His citation count is solid but falls short of WP:NPROF#C1 for me, and I don't see any indication that he passes any of the other NPROF criteria. I unfortunately couldn't find any independent coverage that would indicate that he is notable as a cartoonist. MCE89 (talk) 12:06, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the ascertained judgement of the notability of the subject as a cartoonist reached in the 2009 deletion attempt. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:41, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I am sure you know, notability standards have changed a lot since 2009. Do you have any sources to demonstrate his notability as a cartoonist? No usable sources at all were presented in the 2009 discussion. MCE89 (talk) 09:45, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep while generally an h-index of 27 is not quite enough to pass the bar of NPROF by itself, combined with other activities it usually is based on discussions in the past. In this I would argue that the comic activity is substantial enough to confer notability. --hroest 17:38, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's possible, but I don't see any independent commentary on his cartoonist activities. Barely anything is cited, either. This specific subcategory of the Sir Julius Vogel Award does not seem to be enough to confer notability. -- Recon rabbit 23:56, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:09, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nano-I-beam

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COI page where the only on-topic source (DOI:10.1038/s41598-019-53588-2) is the originators own paper which has 10 citations since 2019 according to GS. None of the other sources are on topic, and most of the page is either on standard nanotubes or macroscopic beams (some careful reading is needed). This type of advertising of an editor's own work is not what Wikipedia is for. Ldm1954 (talk) 11:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This article is very carefully disguised puffery of a single paper (Elmoselhy 2019), which has been cited all of twice by PubMed-indexed journals (Google Scholar's higher number isn't surprising, they index all kinds of junk). The other references cited are all about other topics, such as structural I-beams used in construction, all trying to inflate the importance of this one rather obscure research article. I have no patience for this kind of thing. If there's ever a comprehensive review article on nano I-beams, maybe we can have an article. But until then, WP isn't for boosting one's CV. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:31, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete: From the article the following sources (given the number they have in the article as proposed for deletion) - 1 (can be fully accessed with the wikilibrary), 4, 9, and 10.
Of these neither 9 nor 10 discuss nanobeams or nano-I-beams, at best they discuss nano-tubes.
Source 1 is on methods of analysis and does mention nanobeams. However using a graphic from a review of modelling and analysing nanostructures, I believe that nanobeams are a larger category that may also include Nano-I-beams. Hence I don’t think 1 conveys notability.
This leaves 4, which seems to meet the criteria such that it could help convey notability, but as previously mentioned it is barely cited. Finally I found another scientific paper, from the same author as 4, which could convey notability, but is cited even less.
I therefore conclude that while 2 sources exist that could convey notability, they don’t actually do so due to how little notice/use they have had from the scientific community (reflected in how little they are cited). Emily.Owl ( she/her • talk) 14:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for the reasons described above.--Srleffler (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as promotion of non-notable work. Incidentally, the work being promoted was published in Scientific Reports, which is not a journal we should take seriously. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 23:40, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Living Intelligence

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There is inadequate sourcing to establish notability for this concept, which can probably best be summed up (albeit rather uncharitably) as "big picture LinkedIn-style thought leadership"—or, even less charitably, it is a thing someone made up but for business executives.

The HBR source, the AOL (which syndicates Motley Fool, and is a transcript of a video interview) and the 'Future Today Institute' source aren't independent of the author who originated the concept. A brief web search identified a few other pages that are broadly in the same genre.

The Hesham Allam source cites a wholly different source for an idea referred to as 'living intelligence' (namely someone called Anna Bacchia) that predates the FTSG/Webb/Jordan formulation. It is also mentioned only in passing—not significant for the purpose of the notability guidelines.

The Robitzski source predates the invention of the concept, and thus does not do anything to establish notability.

The 'Analytics Insight' source looks extremely unreliable. According to their bio, the author of the piece "excels at crafting clear, engaging content", apparently. Last week, on Friday, they produced seven articles for 'Analytics Insight' in one day, on topics as wide-ranging as staying at the top of Google search results, knowing the difference between OLED and QLED televisions, the best travel credit cards, discounts on Android phones, smart mattress covers, and using AI to generate video. An optimist might commend this industrious work ethic; cynics might draw the conclusion that this feels like a low quality content farm (the massive flashing adverts for ropey looking cryptocurrencies don't help).

The Nature source discusses "living intelligences" and tries to draw up some philosophical basis for distinguishing machine and biological intelligence. It is not discussing the same thing.

The Inc. article by Aiello does look to be reliable, and independent, and provides significant coverage, but probably isn't enough alone as "multiple sources are generally expected" (WP:GNG).

There was another source listed which I removed. It's generated by Perplexity AI. Literally, just AI generated text. It's here (and on the Wayback Machine, but the overuse of JavaScript makes that version unusable). It is pretty much a case study of AI confabulation.

The AI generated text reads: Amy Webb and Gary Marcus, two prominent figures in AI research and forecasting, offer contrasting perspectives on AI's trajectory in 2025. Webb predicts a convergence of key technologies, including AI, biotech, and advanced sensors, leading to what she terms "living intelligence". At this point, there is an inline footnote which points to an article titled The great AI scaling debate continues into 2025 from a website called The Decoder. Said article does not discuss "living intelligence" or Webb. The Decoder article talks about Gary Marcus and AI scaling, so the AI generated source is at least half right. To be fair, the Perplexity source does go on to point to a podcast interview which... might establish notability if you squint a bit.

So, in terms of sourcing that establishes notability, we have an Inc article and a handful of podcasts/interviews. But the convergence of AI-generated text and the somewhat spammy promotion of futurist/thought leadership suggests this should be deleted (or possibly merged/redirected into Amy Webb). —Tom Morris (talk) 11:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Also pinging User:BD2412 as the AfC reviewer. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:44, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as, indeed, "a thing someone made up but for business executives." Honestly, anything made with "sources" from Perplexity or other slop machines should be deleted on moral grounds. They're the opposite of reliable; using them is by definition not being here to build an encyclopedia, and the results should be treated accordingly. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 18:19, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per last user, WP:MADEUP, and the use of AI-generated sources, which is a flaming red line for me. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 21:20, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep or restore to draft. I was pinged to this discussion and am mulling this over carefully. I don't think that Amy Webb being the coiner of the term is disqualifying of a source for which she is the author. It's not like she's selling "Living Intelligence" as a product for her enrichment. She is an academic in the field, and her opinions in the field carry weight. I have never seen Harvard Business Review questioned for its reliability. With this along with the Inc. article, I would expect that if this is a notable concept (and the article describes something that certainly should be), then additional sources may be found. BD2412 T 01:11, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for this. Two points: the Harvard Business Review do publish sponsored content on behalf of corporate partners. Some of which is emabrassingly mediocre research that would get a failing grade as student coursework. The source in question doesn't seem to fall into this category, thankfully.

Also, at risk of being excessively cynicial, the thinktank/thought leadership world are selling a product. Taking a vague trend of New Stuff, and self-publishing a report that gives it a label is exactly what goes on in futurist/thought leader circles in order to promote yourself so corporations and others will pay you for consulting and speaking gigs etc. I drew an analogy with WP:MADEUP becuase hand-wavy futurist thought is often "a PDF of a thing I made up on my own website" rather than getting subjected to peer review. Whether the idea actually is notable is a question for other people to determine, hence why our notability guidelines look to independent sources. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:22, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Amy Webb being the coiner of the term" is "disqualifying" of any source that she wrote, insofar as it means those sources are the opposite of independent. A source that Webb wrote isn't completely useless for all purposes, but it carries zero weight in evaluating the notability (in the Wikipedian sense) of the concept.

To paraphrase Tom Morris' second paragraph above: a label is a brand is a product. We absolutely should treat a thinktank/thought-leader person writing about their own label in the same way that we would treat a business owner writing about their own business. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 23:15, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These concerns are not alien to me, which is why I would support restoration to draft as a WP:ATD. BD2412 T 03:18, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - Confused about the Perplexity AI issue address above but not sure if it matters. I did find this from The Week but that only makes two if you take Inc. into consideration. I would not fully discount the HBR just because she is the coiner of the phrase; however, being that there is not a lot of other references talking about it, I am not sure we can consider her the expect on the topic either.--CNMall41 (talk) 06:50, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or draftify? Discuss.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:18, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: More than a trivial amount of coverage in journals [1] discusses the concept. I suppose we could draft this for clean up, but the topic appears notable. Oaktree b (talk) 14:29, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b: In the nomination statement, I already explained how the Rouleau and Levin article isn't relevant. The Nature source discusses "living intelligences" and tries to draw up some philosophical basis for distinguishing machine and biological intelligence. It is not discussing the same thing. Rouleau and Levin are not using "living intelligences" in the way Webb and Jordan are, and it does not establish that Webb and Jordan's formulation is notable. —Tom Morris (talk) 16:11, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, it was getting kind of long and I gave up reading it. Would it be worth draftifying it? I can't understand the "thing" the article is about ... Oaktree b (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm broadly open to all options: delete, draftify or merge and redirect to Amy Webb. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:52, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources identified by Oaktree b and CNMall41. I think we now have enough to meet WP:GNG.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment regarding The Week. The quotes in The Week are derived from the HBR and Inc articles, and the FTI report. The second paragraph is mostly quotes from the HBR article. The third, fifth and seventh paragraphs mostly consists of quotes from the Inc article. The fourth paragraph quotes from the report. The sixth paragraph is a pointer to a blog post by another futurist consultant pitching for work that concludes with "Let's discuss your strategy for shaping this future, reach out to discuss." The Week has been discussed on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard in 2020, and the observation their that articles "are composites of pieces from elswehere" still rings true. An illustration of this: this article about "how generative AI is changing the way we write and speak". It is a composite that cobbles together a piece from The Atlantic, The Verge, The Conversation and Los Angeles Magazine without really adding much. It's not quite churnalism, and it is not merely aggregation, but it isn't great. —Tom Morris (talk) 16:52, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Amy Webb - This topic seems like it can happily live as a subsection on Amy Webb until it gets sufficient independent coverage to motivate its own article. Not opposed to draftification, but merging seems like a better editorial outcome here. The concept has no coverage that doesn't prominently feature Webb. Suriname0 (talk) 14:37, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any support for a merge to Amy Webb?
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Comment I don't see any text worth merging. It's all uninspired prose, backed by mediocre/unsuitable sources. What's good enough to save? Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 23:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Since our earliest days, we have not published original content; "made up in a day" and "no AI, thank you" are just by-products of that basic rule. This would at a minimum have to be started from scratch. Bearian (talk) 13:32, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. yes, we exclude things made up on Wikipedia, but not things made up in the real world and published there. Everything is made up at some point, Marxism, Christianity, theory of relativity. Hyperbolick (talk) 21:21, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Amy Webb, as it seems to be an idea of hers that can be described using reliable sources, but it doesn’t seem to have much of an existence independent of her. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 18:17, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
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Merge selectively to Amy Webb per Suriname0 and Barnards.tar.gz. There doesn't seem to be enough coverage to justify its own article. Some of the Overview section can be merged using the Inc. source at least. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:46, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Seems to be a fad concept not published in reliable journals, per other above comments. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 16:47, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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