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The result was keep‎. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Payne (darts)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - seems to have been the best in America at his prime, and I've found some pretty strong sourcing corresponding with that. Longform piece about him in the Cincinnati Enquirer, same in The Indianapolis Star, slightly shorter but still decent piece in The Cincinnati Post. Also found this in The Independent, which focuses a lot on him, and this in the Herald Express and the Sports Argus which is a little more WP:ROUTINE but talks about him becoming a world championship finalist. This article from The Daily Mirror discusses some of his activities after the sport and describes how he was known as the "wild man of American darts" in the 1980s. With all this I'd be pretty confident that Payne was a notable figure during his time. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - multiple appearances on World Championships and several sources provided by the commentator above --DarthBob (talk) 21:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Hurtz

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no notable achievements, no significant coverage. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Unremarkable career. LibStar (talk) 04:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this is unnotable player, absolutely agree, no problem with deleting this one --DarthBob (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To quote the article itself, "He has qualified for many European Tour events via the Host Nation Qualifiers, but, has never got past the second round." Ostensibly no achievements worth qualifying the subject for WP:GNG. Madeleine961 (talk) 22:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete like the first nomination due to lack of notability. This player is yet to qualify for any major professional dart tournaments and there's no achievements. Galaxybeing (talk) 05:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Easy call. Not notable. Delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 01:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Stephenson

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - there's some coverage that appears to indicate Stephenson is at least regionally notable, like this from the Newcastle Chronicle, and this in same, as well as coverage in Malvern Gazette of his business ventures outside of the sport, but it's nothing incredible. I do think WP:3SOURCES is met, just about. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 15:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Les Capewell

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 3 google news hits, 2 of those being dartsnews. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 07:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails sports notability criterion. Go4thProsper (talk) 01:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 15:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Len Heard

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with the nomination and comment. Easily fails the sports notability criteria. Go4thProsper (talk) 01:47, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 15:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Ward (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Unremarkable career. LibStar (talk) 14:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 06:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heikki Hermunen

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Based on 1 database source. Google news yields nothing and google books just results listing. LibStar (talk) 06:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacking in WP:SIGCOV. Less than 10 Google Books results but half are false positives and the rest are just mentions. Less than 40 Google News results, most are false positives or only mentions, most coverage is only from a blog. Overall not prominent, less than 100 Google Search results. starship.paint (talk / cont) 07:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:20, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Sourcing has been identified. Star Mississippi 16:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Sparidaans

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Could find no sources. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - a great deal of coverage in Dutch-language media (Omroep Brabant, Brabants Dagblad, Eindhovens Dagblad, Algemeen Dagblad). Additionally, coverage available in darts media sources (Darts News, Darts King and Darts Actueel) signifying he's a notable figure in darts. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I have added some of the Dutch-language media coverage Ser! mentions to the article, I believe he is notable enough to have an article. JamesVilla44 ^(talk 14:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can’t just go “unnotable darts player” for a Tour Card Holder ranked 80th in the world, say it fails stuff without qualification and hope it gets deleted. JamesVilla44 (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Szpity88, @LBLM9253, @Liamw90, @GalacticalCosmics, @XeverPL, @Martinevans123, @Ivan Chornyi, @Ser!, @DarthBob, @BeanieFan11 JamesVilla44 (talk) 23:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a case of WP:CANVASSING? LibStar (talk) 06:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey who? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Previous discussions have had low turnout, I‘ve pinged editors who have made made substantial edits to darts articles like Jeffrey Sparidaans, and users who have previously participated in deletion discussions. I do not have any prior knowledge or their opinions on the the status of Jeffrey Sparidaans' article, Martin doesn't seem to know who Spaaridaans is. JamesVilla44 (talk) 10:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been keeping an eye on the deletion sorting page to try save some of the actual notable pages from deletion (and vote to delete the unnotable "he played in a tournament once" ones), and would advise anyone who's concerned about the low turnout to do similar. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 11:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well I do now, thanks. But I really cannot pretend to have an informed opinion here. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesVilla44, I have participated in many darts AfDs and was not notified. LibStar (talk) 22:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should have included you in the notifications but I also think it should lay on @ItsKesha, the proposer of the deletion discussion, to make sure that editors are informed when a discussion is posted, to ensure that editors who have made substantial edits to darts articles, editors who have participated in previous discussions on in closely related darts articles to the likes of Jeffrey Sparidaans, editors known for expertise in the field of darts Wikipedia and

editors who have asked to be kept informed of deletion discussions, are informed. JamesVilla44 (talk) 22:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't those editors follow the deletion sorting for darts? LibStar (talk) 22:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't know how to do that JamesVilla44 (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You simply need to watch this page Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Darts. I would expect those with an interest in darts to follow this page. No need to notify them. LibStar (talk) 23:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - additional sources for Jeffrey Sparidaans were added, it is a current Tour card holder, former World Championship participant and multiple medallist from WDF World Cup with some media coverage (something in Dutch, but should not be a problem). --DarthBob (talk) 20:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. RL0919 (talk) 13:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rizal Barellano

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 13:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacks significant success in the sport. Google Books - 1 result, only a mention. Google Search - less than 80 results, not prominent. 12 results in Google News, the only one that went beyond a mention was: The first one in 2008 was Rizal Barellano, who was eliminated in the preliminary round by Miloslac Navratil and of whom you never heard again ... Rizal Barellano, born 1965, reached 2006 the quarterfinals of the Asia Pacific Cup and was the first Philippine player invited to the PDC World Championship. It doesn't look he is still playing. Still nothing much. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. I could find no independent significant coverage. Web searches came up with the standard mastercaller and PDC website stuff, but those can't be used towards notability as they are sports statistics tables. He doesn't in any of the darts reference books. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sven Groen

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 13:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Gets a brief mention in Chaplin's book Darts: Skills - Tactics - Techniques, but not enough to count toward WP:SIGCOV. Otherwise I couldn't find any independent WP:RS. There is a lot more coverage of a politician named Sven Groen, but that is a different person. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 17:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Took a look at Dutch-language sources to see if there's anything there. Certainly a decent amount of passing mentions and routine match result coverage in Dutch regional news and Dutch dart sources, but very little that would meaningfully contribute to WP:SIGCOV. Closest thing to significant coverage I can find is this article on dartfreakz.nl, which even combined with the mention in Chaplin's book mentioned above seems too sparse to me. AddWittyNameHere 05:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reece Robinson (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I found some passing coverage in darts books by Patrick Chaplin and Nigel Boeg but not anything that could be considered in-depth. Otherwise that is all I found. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 09:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vic Hubbard

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacks success in the sport. Only around 100 Google Search results. Only one Google News result. Google Books only produces false positives. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. All the sources I could find were on a different Vic Hubbard who was a race car driver. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Deley

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacks significant success in the sport. Not prominent - less than 60 Google Search results, zero Google Books results, then there are 13 Google News results but all 13 are mentions and not WP:SIGCOV. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is some coverage of Deley in The John Lowe Story: Inside Pro Darts with the World Champion, but this is only one source and its an autobiography so it arguably is not independent. Otherwise I couldn't find anything. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Summers (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 22:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. He participated in some notable darts tournaments, but the article says he lost in the first round. A Google search reveals a Facebook page that says he died 5 years ago, but no other substantial coverage. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Douglas (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete some routine coverage but not enough to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. All I found besides passing mentions were very short pieces like this and this. JTtheOG (talk) 21:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Gosling

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ - there does not seem to be WP:SIGCOV. Only 4 Google News results and all are mentions. Less than 40 Google Books results, but all seem to be either false positives or mere mentions. starship.paint (talk / cont) 09:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Given the comment below by Ser! I am withdrawing the bold vote at this point. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - runner up twice in the world championship of darts and former English international. Per this article in The West Briton he seems to have had some notability for his time - Writing in 1980, journalist Derek Brown wrote that Paul was "the fastest shot in the West", and added that Paul was also "noted for his sidewhiskers" and "his liking for a cigar". Found further coverage in The West Briton, The Evening Post (admittedly not a huge article but worth noting he got coverage for winning the Marlboro Masters), a photo in The West Briton with some info on his notable achievements, the Daily Record writing about him becoming "a new England star they love to hate", with a followup later (and a further followup in the same paper about the disciplinary action he received) and a small article in the Daily Mirror (a national newspaper!) about him being dropped from the England team (and for that matter, the Daily Mirror covered him being called up in the first place). Interestingly, there's an ad in the West Briton from a company, with the sole tagline being that "England international Paul Gosling" used this company's darts - not quite sigcov, but background info on him being a notable figure in darts for his time. Of course, coverage of anyone involved in darts from this era is gonna be more sparse than expected but Gosling seems to genuinely have been notable during his era. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 11:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I concede that while I believe much of those are minor/not significant coverage, that the overall coverage is enough across multiple sources, and I therefore revoke my nomination if possible. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 15:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. I'll try close it as a withdrawal now. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:14, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Gilman

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources and IMDB supplied. LibStar (talk) 00:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This subject has won the London Classic darts tournament and British Open, two prestigious winnings with the look of things. This article could be kept on this basis alone, but if anyone finds a slight coverage, then this should be kept. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- For winning the prestigious British Open in 1992 Chikwendummesonma (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- notable winner of a tournament, but it was in 1980s, so sources are obviously hard to find, but should be kept --DarthBob (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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