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Jugovizija

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I have been researching past Yugoslav national finals using newspaper archives with the aim of improving the currently existing articles which are reliant on fansites for information, a clear breach of WP:RS.

So far I have researched the national finals of 1961-1976 using the Digital Library of Slovenia and my progress so far can be seen on my Sandbox. I plan on doing the remaining 1981-1992 national finals, as well as using newspaper archives from other former Yugoslav countries. However, I can already make a case for the deletion of this article.

In the Digital Library of Slovenia, only 1987, 1990, and 1991 have been referred to as Jugovizija and the national final has only been referred to that in TV guides in 1990. However, this article has added the name Jugovizija post hoc to every national final before then; and even to Yugoslavia's only internal selection in 1963 which went unnamed. Most Yugoslav national finals had a different name from year to year, with the only consistency being 1973-1976 where they used the Opatija Festival, a previously unrelated competition, as their national selection. Pasting the Jugovizija name over this is inaccurate, and would be like putting the name Italovision on editions of the Sanremo Music Festival which were used as national finals. The name Jugovizija implies that these shows were part of a series of shows, when in reality they are a disconnected set of shows only united by a similar premise, that being to select the Yugoslav entry for the Eurovision Song Contest. Using Ireland as an example, they are as different to each other as the National Song Contest 1970, Eurosong 1996, and a 2025 episode of the Late Late Show are.

In addition to the problems surrounding the name, the article is full of factual inaccuracies, owing to the fact it only cites three sources, two of which being the same fansite. As already mentioned, it lists Yugoslavia's 1963 internal selection as a national final. Says that the contest was originally called Jugovizija in 1961, when it was actually called Pesem Evrovizije and Evrovizija 1961 in TV guides. And claims that the format of the 1971 national final had the subnational broadcasters submit entries, when it was actually an exception in this way.

All of these reasons listed above lead me to think that Jugovizija is a name that JRT used only a few times in the late 80s and 90s which fans have adopted to refer to the national finals. It is a fun name for a national final, but I think this article is misrepresentative of Yugoslav national finals and this information would be better represented with more detailed per-year articles on Yugoslav national finals, which I am working on. However, in these articles, I would not be opposed to adding a line after stating the actual name of the national final that says something along the lines of: "The national final, along with every other Yugoslav national final, has also been called Jugovizija post hoc by fans of the Eurovision Song Contest", as long as I can find a suitable source for this statement.Spleennn (talk) 16:49, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Television, and Yugoslavia. Skynxnex (talk) 17:15, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

• Thank you for your detailed analysis Spleennn, and your continued work to improve articles related to Yugoslavia's history in the Eurovision Song Contest! Given the country's last appearance was in 1992 obviously the number of primary sources on the subject available online is significantly reduced as this is from a pre-internet era, so the country's history in the contest is very much shrouded in mystery somewhat, leading to this kind of article on the topic. Jugovizija is a very well-known name within the Eurovision community to refer to all Yugoslav Eurovision selections, whether they were titled as such or not at the time by JRT or within Yugoslav media, and I do think there is a case to retain the article as either a redirect to Yugoslavia in the Eurovision Song Contest, or, similar to the article on Russian Eurovision selections, as a standalone article which lists information on Yugoslav selections but also caveats that the title may not have been used at the time. However, given the lack of inline references, the reliance on unreliable fan site external links which clearly violate WP:ELNO, the lack of substantial article history, and the overall fact that the majority of assertions within this article are completely unbacked by reliable sources, I would support deleting this article completely. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
• Seems easy enough to just merge and redirect to Yugoslavia in the Eurovision Song Contest, it's a vaguely plausible search term. --Joy (talk) 10:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Others

Proposed deletions

• Kenneth Naylor (via WP:PROD on 18 May 2025)

See also

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Yugoslavia/Article alerts, a bot-maintained listing of a variety of changes affecting Yugoslavia related pages including deletion discussions