Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests
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| Request name | Motions | Case | Posted |
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| Clarification request: Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log | none | none | 22 November 2025 |
| Clarification request: Palestine-Israel articles 5 | none | (orig. case) | 18 December 2025 |
| Clarification request: Consensus of AfD concerning PIA topic article and ArbCom article enforcement | none | none | 22 December 2025 |
| Amendment request: Catflap08 and Hijiri88 | none | (orig. case) | 31 December 2025 |
| Motion name | Date posted |
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| ARBPIA5 topic bans | 28 December 2025 |
About this page Use this section to request the committee open an arbitration case. To be accepted, an arbitration request needs 4 net votes to "accept" (or a majority). Arbitration is a last resort. WP:DR lists the other, escalating processes that should be used before arbitration. The committee will decline premature requests. Requests may be referred to as "case requests" or "RFARs"; once opened, they become "cases". Before requesting arbitration, read the arbitration guide to case requests. Then click the button below. Complete the instructions quickly; requests incomplete for over an hour may be removed. Consider preparing the request in your userspace. To request enforcement of an existing arbitration ruling, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. To clarify or change an existing arbitration ruling, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment.
Unlike many venues on Wikipedia, ArbCom imposes word limits. Please observe the below notes on complying with word limits.
General guidance
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Use this section to request clarification or amendment of a closed Arbitration Committee case or decision.
- Requests for clarification are used to ask for further guidance or clarification about an existing completed Arbitration Committee case or decision.
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- Choose one of the following options and open the page in a new tab or window:
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Please do not submit your request until it is ready for consideration; this is not a space for drafts, and incremental additions to a submission are disruptive.
Guidance on participation and word limits
Unlike many venues on Wikipedia, ArbCom imposes word limits. Please observe the below notes on complying with word limits.
- Motivation. Word limits are imposed to promote clarity and focus on the issues at hand and to ensure that arbitrators are able to fully take in submissions. Arbitrators must read a large volume of information across many matters in the course of their service on the Committee, so submissions that exceed word limits may be disregarded. For the sake of fairness and to discourage gamesmanship (i.e., to disincentivize "asking forgiveness rather than permission"), word limits are actively enforced.
- In general. Most submissions to the Arbitration Committee (including statements in arbitration case requests and ARCAs and evidence submissions in arbitration cases) are limited to 500 words, plus 50 diffs. During the evidence phase of an accepted case, named parties are granted an automatic extension to 1000 words plus 100 diffs.
- Sectioned discussion. To facilitate review by arbitrators, you should edit only in your own section. Address your submission to arbitrators, not to other participants. If you wish to rebut, clarify, or otherwise refer to another submission for the benefit of arbitrators, you may do so within your own section. (More information.)
- Requesting an extension. You may request a word limit extension in your submission itself (using the {{@ArbComClerks}} template) or by emailing clerks-l
lists.wikimedia.org. In your request, you should briefly (in 1–2 sentences) include (a) why you need additional words and (b) a broad outline of what you hope to discuss in your extended submission. The Committee endeavors to act upon extension requests promptly and aims to offer flexibility where warranted.
- Members of the Committee may also grant extensions when they ask direct questions to facilitate answers to those questions.
- Refactoring statements. You should write carefully and concisely from the start. It is impermissible to rewrite a statement to shorten it after a significant amount of time has passed or after anyone has responded to it (see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines § Editing own comments), so it is often advisable to submit a brief initial statement to leave room to respond to other users if the need arises.
- Sign submissions. In order for arbitrators and other participants to understand the order of submissions, sign your submission and each addition (using
~~~~). - Word limit violations. Submissions that exceed the word limit will generally be "hatted" (collapsed), and arbitrators may opt not to consider them.
- Counting words. Words are counted on the rendered text (not wikitext) of the statement (i.e., the number of words that you would see by copy-pasting the page section containing your statement into a text editor or word count tool). This internal gadget and this report may also be helpful.
- Sanctions. Please note that members and clerks of the Committee may impose appropriate sanctions when necessary to promote the effective functioning of the arbitration process.
General guidance
- Arbitrators and clerks may summarily remove or refactor discussion without comment.
- Requests from blocked or banned users should be made by e-mail directly to the Arbitration Committee.
- Only arbitrators and clerks may remove requests from this page. Do not remove a request or any statements or comments unless you are in either of these groups.
- Archived clarification and amendment requests are logged at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Clarification and Amendment requests. Numerous legacy and current shortcuts can be used to more quickly reach this page:
Clarification request: Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log
| Rough consensus among opining arbitrators is that, in general, sanctions of IP addresses and temporary accounts that would require logging together should be avoided. Blocking a temporary account as an arbitration enforcement action and then blocking the underlying IP address/range without citing arbitration enforcement is fine, as is AE blocking the IP but not the temporary account. If absolutely necessary (for example because a block is overturned), both blocks can be logged as AE blocks but this should be avoided where it is easy to do so. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:08, 27 December 2025 (UTC) |
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Initiated by The Bushranger at 01:31, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:
Statement by The BushrangerSo I have a conundrum regarding the requirement to log arbitration enformcement actions, with regard to unregistered IP addresses now that temporary accounts are a thing. Per Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log,
Statement by IznoYes, there are exceptions built into the policy for this kind of case. The issue does come to something like the revision deletion clause, which is clearly prohibitive. I suspect the people who wrote that into the TAIV policy actually just simply don't understand how revision deletion works (and that we'd have to revision delete... a lot... rather than I suspect the imagined "single revision" where the item was introduced). I put something in the ear of the WMF a couple weeks ago about that provision being dumb and needing rethinking, but this would be a good on-wiki use case specifically to reference. I agree that this all is also relevant beyond the "I need to block someone in the area" suggested above as enforcement also needs to consider "I need specifically to block someone using the powers prescribed in an arbitration case or in the contentious topic procedure" (consider as an example the old ban on Scientology IPs). Izno (talk) 20:39, 22 November 2025 (UTC) Statement by Tamzin@ToBeFree: I think your analysis is the best way of looking at this. I'll note that I reached out to WMF Legal a few weeks ago about expanding the consecutive-block rule to all admin actions (after finding myself in a gray area on disclosure by unblocking an IP on request from a TA on that IP). Last I heard from Madi Moss (WMF), the plan was to change it to "blocks, unblocks, or performs other administrative actions", although I don't know where that plan stands as of now. Of course it's the current policy that's binding, but even by the current wording I agree there's no issue with consecutive logging at AELOG (and Madi did not seem inclined to de-TAIV me for my consecutive-unblock All that said, yeah, the "appropriate venues" clause should work here if for some reason consecutive logging isn't enough to get the point across; if someone wants to do that, I'll repeat the suggestion I included in a footnote at TAIVDISCLOSE that they do the disclosure on a transcluded subpage, so that it can later be cleanly revdelled without taking out a bunch of unrelated history. So something like I have also blocked the TA's IP range, {{WP:Arbitration enforcement log/TAIV disclosure/1}} <small>([[WP:TAIVDISCLOSE|intentional disclosure]])</small>, for 180 days. Then at the end of those 180 days (or later if there's continued IP abuse at that point), redact and revdel. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:32, 26 November 2025 (UTC) Statement by {other-editor}Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should opine whether and how the Committee should clarify or amend the decision or provide additional information. Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log: Clerk notes
Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log: Arbitrator views and discussion
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Clarification request: Palestine-Israel articles 5
| Consensus that struck/hatted comments count towards word limits, with a limited exception for genuine errors that did not receive significant discussion before being struck. The intent of the word limit restriction is not to allow editors to continue to engage in long-winded discussion by striking their previous comments, and gaming the restriction to that end is not acceptable. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:06, 27 December 2025 (UTC) |
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Initiated by Chess enjoyer at 06:32, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
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Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Statement by Chess enjoyerIf I were to frame this request as an RFC, I would probably write something like, "When should comments that an editor has struck/hatted count toward the 1000-word limit of WP:CT/A-I, if at all?" This situation is not currently covered, which leaves a potential loophole open, wherein an editor can make comments that cross the limit, strike/hat some of their other comments, and then continue to comment, effectively bypassing the limit. This would appear to go against the spirit of the word limit. I was inspired to make this request by discussion at AN (Starting with this comment by me and ending with This comment by TarnishedPath), and also by this discussion on Springee's talk page. If it were up to me, I would modify the word limit so that struck/hatted comments that an editor has genuinely taken back would not count towards the limit, but comments that an editor struck/hatted upon being made aware that they breached the limit would still count, and that editor would be barred from further participation in the discussion. I'll leave the exact details to the Arbitration Committee. This is my first time making a request for clarification, so I apologize if I have made any procedural errors. I would also appreciate clarification on what other editors can do when they notice that another editor has breached the limit. Is it appropriate for them to strike/hat that editor's comments to enforce it (as I did with Springee here)? Chess enjoyer (talk) 10:47, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by SpringeeTLDR/ In other areas where there is a word count limit, the existence of the limit is clear up front and there is a mechanism for requesting additional words. How does that operate here were not all editors are going to be aware absent someone telling them after the fact and who can grant more words when needed? As the person who was over the limit I think it would make sense if the rule is 1000 words and you only get words back in limited circumstances. However, editors are likely to post/reply differently if they know there is a word limit upfront. How do people who are unaware of this rule know about it in advance? As an example, at ARE I think it's basically standard practice that editors are made aware of the word limit up front. As someone who wasn't involved in the ARBCOM case in question, how would I know the limit is there? I don't think it's fair to just tell someone after the fact that they are over the limit as knowing there is a limit does change how editors may reply. Also, at ARE discussions extensions are frequently granted by the admins who are running the discussion. What is the mechanism used for requesting extensions here at less formal discussions such as a RfC, close review etc? Springee (talk) 12:11, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by TarnishedPathMy understanding of the 1,000 word limit in formal discussions, is that once it is passed, there is no going back. That an editor must cease once they are made aware that they have passed the word limit, and that there are no givesies backsies. Clarification of this is apparently necessary. TarnishedPathtalk 08:01, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by BelandNot having a procedure by which admins can grant more words insulates them from accusations of bias and further heated argument. If an important correction needs to be made or evidence introduced after reaching the word limit, asking another editor to make the point is still possible, and would filter unimportant remarks. It might actually be nice to encourage like-minded people to form groups to write a single position statement or alternative proposal that multiple people can sign on to. That would help answer questions like "you voted oppose, but which arguments are you basing that on?". It would also help make discussions shorter and easier to close, without silencing people who have divergent ideas. Or it might reinforce factionalism. -- Beland (talk) 23:06, 22 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by 45dogsMy involvement was largely to note how at WP:AE, the template that counts words doesn't count struck comments. Like Chess enjoyer says, the issue is gaming the system. 45dogs (they/them) (talk page) (contributions) 07:10, 18 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by M.BittonStatement by CommunityNotesContributorI guess I'm party due to this commment,
Statement by Star MississippiJust noting here since I became involved by thanking Chess enjoyer for their clerking. I feel like this limit was put into place to discourage the bludgeoning that is endemic with CTs. We should not allow HATTING purely to enable more words. Participants should say less/speak more concisely. This discussion is inspiring way too much Hamilton from me Star Mississippi 17:09, 18 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by ThryduulfWhat hasn't been mentioned previously is when someone is genuinely unaware that a word limit exists. In that case, in addition to what Daniel says, I would add that in this case striking some of what you wrote so that it is within the limit is acceptable. Striking it all to rewrite it within the limit in the same circumstance can be okay, but only once. Obviously the onus should be on those imposing a word limit on a discussion (and secondarily on those participating in such a discussion) to make that limit as clear as possible to everyone, especially those who are new to the topic area, so as to maximise the benefits of having the limit and minimise the issues caused when one person is carefully sticking to a limit someone else doesn't know exists (including such things as taking terseness as a sign of rudeness rather than of being careful with word count). Thryduulf (talk) 17:44, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by SuperPianoMan9167Just noting here for the record that I was a participant in the Israel RfC closure review. I had breached the 1000-word limit, was notified of this by M.Bitton, and subsequently removed excess words from my own comments to bring my word count down. There was also a brief discussion in excess of my limit that was removed by mutual withdrawal. I am currently at 990 words by my own count, including collapsed comments and not including quoted material. I have refrained from making further comments on the closure review. See also this discussion on M.Bitton's talk page. SuperPianoMan9167 (talk) 21:42, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by SamuelshragaNot part of the incident that precipitated this request, but a similar issue is ongoing at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_statements_by_Israeli_officials_cited_as_genocidal so I want to weigh in. Based on that discussion, I think TLC's point about redactions being in reverse chronological order is an expectation that really needs to be codified. That said, I'd suggest allowing more leeway for people to revert/redact comments that haven't been replied to before striking/hatting other comments. This would allow for less retroactive disruption to discussions caused by people fixing their breaches. Samuelshraga (talk) 07:13, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by CoiningI agree with @Samuelshraga that a distinction should be made between editing one's own comments that have not been replied to (which should be allowed to modify the word count) versus editing comments that are in the middle of a conversation that others have already engaged with (which, though allowed (in the sense that an editor is always welcome to, for instance, strike their own misguided statement, shouldn't reduce the word count calculation). This is similar to the procedures surrounding reversions, where self-reversions are allowed (and indeed encouraged) to come into compliance with reversion restrictions. This also addresses in large measure the no-backsies point made by others. I also have no objection to allowing mutual withdrawals per @SuperPianoMan9167, so long as they too haven't been replied to by other editors. Coining (talk) 21:58, 22 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by {other-editor}Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should opine whether and how the Committee should clarify or amend the decision or provide additional information. Palestine-Israel articles 5: Clerk notes
Palestine-Israel articles 5: Arbitrator views and discussion
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Clarification request: Consensus of AfD concerning PIA topic article and ArbCom article enforcement
Initiated by 11WB at 18:35, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Case or decision affected
- Wikipedia:Contentious_topics/Arab–Israeli_conflict
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5
List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request:
- 11WB (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)
- Regioncalifornia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Triggerhippie4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Easternsahara (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Iskandar323 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Boutboul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Iljhgtn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
- diff of notification Regioncalifornia
- diff of notification Triggerhippie4
- diff of notification Easternsahara
- diff of notification Iskandar323
- diff of notification Boutboul
- diff of notification Iljhgtn
Statement by 11WB
I recently closed an AfD as keep (now undone), it turns out many of the participants had WP:CT/PIA topic bans. The article does not have active ArbCom enforcement. A DRV suggested it should. Consensus of the AfD may be affected due to this. Please clarify on whether the AfD consensus is affected and whether the article should be included in PIA. 11WB (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Reply: I was unaware @Boutboul's was lifted. I have also not implied that anyone acted maliciously. 11WB (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Question: @Easternsahara says they "
looked at notifications
". This seems to contradict their talk page banner, which states they "should not be given alerts for those areas
". Is a TBAN editor in violation of that rule should they use WP:PPAL notifications to participate in PIA AfDs? 11WB (talk) 01:18, 23 December 2025 (UTC) - Reply: It's a filter, thank you for the clarification. 11WB (talk) 03:14, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thoughts: @Iskandar323 created the article before their TBAN. If the article is not included in PIA enforcement, I don't think any sanction is required. I cannot comment on whether @Easternsahara has violated their TBAN by discussing the topic here. The other editors I included either don't have an active PIA TBAN or have a TBAN that isn't relevant. The article seems to be slightly contentious based on the AfD and talk page discussions. My list was not accurate and for this I apologise, I should've been more thorough. 11WB (talk) 04:29, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Regioncalifornia
Statement by Triggerhippie4
Statement by Easternsahara
I didn't think that this was covered by PIA because neither Palestine nor Israel had existed yet. The earliest one can say the start of the Israel-Palestine conflict was with the advent of zionism, although even then no violence had immediately occurred until the settlement of Jewish people in the region of Palestine. The name may be the same as the modern state but names change in various ways all the time (etymological fallacy). OwenX says that since "all these topic-banned editors swarmed to !vote on this AfD" 1 it must be related to the Israel-Palestine conflict, but I was just looking at the notifications for WP:PPAL when I saw this and I suspect this is why other editors also voted on this, not because of malicious reasons, as is implied. Simply being tagged for wikiprojects Israel and Palestine is not a strong enough argument by itself, as the region encompasses territory now a part of both modern-day places (so Wikiprojects Syria, Jordan, and Lebanon should also be tagged) User:Easternsahara 20:56, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Clarification: I wasn't saying that you were implying that anyone acted maliciously, but that the quoted section could've be interpreted as such User:Easternsahara 21:12, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- SFR, I don't think there is any serious scholarly debate about whether or not Jewish people are native to the region of Palestine, that is very obviously yes. Rather, some argue whether the current inhabitants of Israel are descended from the Jews, who lived there thousands of years ago, and whether thousands of years makes their connection to the land invalid enough that they cannot establish their own state there (or whether such states should exist). The Roman Palestine article is not very developed right now, but if it included any data on population, then it would note that Jews are the majority of the inhabitants. So, I don't think that this article is very pertinent to the Palestine-Israel conflict, though it is certainly relevant to Jewish history. User:Easternsahara 03:49, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
- @11WB: you seem to misunderstand. I looked at the WP:ARTICLEALERTS section of WP:PPAL. Article alerts are used to inform people of various nominations and discussions relating to a given WikiProject. If you click on the bolded "alert" on the Template:Contentious topics/aware, on my userpage, you will see that it links to Template:Alert, which is used to tell users about a contentious topic that they have edited about. I hope you can understand that "alert" means two different, unrelated things in these contexts. You also assume that I "participate[d] in PIA AfDs", but it had no indication of being related to PIA and this matter is being discussed right now. I implore you to research matters before you implicate that another user has broken the rules in the future. In this case, you could've clicked on the bold "alerts" linked onto the template at the top of my page (which you stated you saw) and then realized that that was a different thing than the WikiProject Article Alerts. Alternatively, you could've viewed the source of my talk page, found Template:DS/aware and read the first sentence, learning that its function is not to be a restriction for the user whose talk page it is placed on, but a notice to other users. User:Easternsahara 03:02, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
@Boutboul: I am sure that you think that you know what you are doing and that you are acting in good faith. However, I do think that you are wrong because I am only discussing PIA to avoid further sanctions, by clarifying that this page is not related to the PIA (despite the name). User:Easternsahara 06:42, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Iskandar323
To be clear, I enquired in advance with @SFR as to whether participation would be problematic, and the answer was not a yes. I then tagged SFR again for absolute clarity and transparency when I participated in the discussion. My response was based purely on the lack of a deletion rationale. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Boutboul
@User:Easternsahara, My purpose is not to put you down, but in my opinion you are skirting the edges of your PIA TBAN too much, several editors already told you that. For example, this kind of sentence: “The earliest one can say the start of the Israel-Palestine conflict was with the advent of zionism, although even then no violence had immediately occurred until the settlement of Jewish people in the region of Palestine.”, clearly falls under the TBAN, since it is broadly construed. I do not think that mentioning Roman Palestine necessarily falls under it, but it is still not a good idea for someone under a TBAN to test the boundaries. I know what I am talking about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boutboul (talk • contribs) 13:59, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Iljhgtn
The main purpose of the PIA enforcements are to reduce edit warring on contentious pages. Observably, pages of this nature i.e., which are about the history of Israelis and Palestinians does lead to edit wars. Per CNC, the historical association of this page with Palestine makes it quite obvious that it is within the PIA purview. I’m not sure how it could be construed otherwise. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:09, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by CommunityNotesContributor
Noting that Roman Palestine appears to be a child article of History of Palestine. The latter has been protected under PIA since 2018, the article in question was created in 2024, but seemingly not as a split. CNC (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by The Bushranger
If I - for instance - came across Roman Palestine at WP:RFPP with a request to ECP it under PIA, I would decline it, as the article is clearly not primarily related to the Palestine-Israeli Conflict. It does seem that there's a popular misconception that PIA covers everything related to Palestine and/or Israel, but it clearly is more limited than that. Now, the fact there are potentially portions of the article that are PIA-related is true; whether or not that would make 'participation in an AfD about the article a violation of a PIA topic ban', I'd have to think about, but my off the cuff reaction would be no - only actively editing those small portions of the article would be. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:20, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Metallurgist
I initiated the AFD and didnt expect it to be so contentious, altho perhaps I should have. It looked to me to be an unnecessary duplication of other articles. I do think PIA should at least somewhat apply here as the keep or deletion of this page can be taken by some editors as relevant to the PIA conflict, as SFR has pointed out. That said, I do think Iskandar deserves an exception to the TBAN as creator of the article to robustly defend it. And as for ES, if it is considered PIA, I think it is a good faith error to have participated and they should not face any sanction for this, but the !vote should be discarded in that case. And they made a good point about that it should have included other Wikiprojects. I didnt even think of that and I try to be comprehensive. Finally, given the contentiousness of the ongoing discussion, I think the closer should have left it open for longer than a week regardless. But no harm no foul at the end of the day here. ← Metallurgist (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by {other-editor}
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should opine whether and how the Committee should clarify or amend the decision or provide additional information.
Consensus of AfD concerning PIA topic article and ArbCom article enforcement: Clerk notes
- This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
Consensus of AfD concerning PIA topic article and ArbCom article enforcement: Arbitrator views and discussion
- Reviewing this comment, I'm not sure I agree with this list. Regioncalifornia does not have a tban, just a logged warning regarding 1RR (which is very much not the same thing as a tban). Triggerhippie4 is also not topic-banned. Boutboul's topic ban was successfully appealed and lifted. Iljhgtn's topic ban is in my opinion clearly not applicable here ("political living people"). That leaves only Iskandar323 and Easternsahara who are topic-banned from PIA. Currently considering whether this should be in scope of PIA or not, which is the main crux of this issue that's been brought to ARCA. Daniel (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- There are certainly parts of the article which relate to the conflict, as whether or not the Jewish population in the area is considered indigenous/native is a sticking point in the conflict. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:31, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- I think it is a bit of a stretch of "broadly", as indicated by others, that an area that existed a substantially significant amount of time before the Arab/Israeli conflict started would be considered under this CTOP. I will note that the article has been edited rather heavily since this request was first brought to us, but as of Special:Permalink/1330343946 the only modern mentions are in the infobox. Primefac (talk) 12:50, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
- In my opinion, the history of the geographic area comprising the Arab-Israeli conflict is part of this CTOP's jurisdiction as its historical composition is used to justify actions of multiple groups in that area. I do not think editors should wait until the Arab-Israeli conflict is mentioned in the article before the CTOP is applied. I recommend resolving this by putting a notification to affected parties that they should avoid these types of articles while their topic bans are in effect, as we have 7 million articles on Wikipedia that they can choose to edit instead. However, I don't feel particularly strong about this designation so I probably won't be too bothered if the decision goes in a different direction. Z1720 (talk) 14:14, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
Amendment request: Catflap08 and Hijiri88
Initiated by Catflap08 at 13:22, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
- Clauses to which an amendment is requested
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Catflap08 and Hijiri88 § Catflap08: Topic ban (I)
- Link to the principle, finding, remedy, section, etc for which you are requesting amendment
- List of any users involved or directly affected, and confirmation that all are aware of the request
- Catflap08 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)
- Information about amendment request
- Link to the principle, finding, remedy, section, etc for which you are requesting amendment
- State the desired modification
- Link to the principle, finding, remedy, section, etc for which you are requesting amendment
- State the desired modification
Statement by Catflap08
Hi, I would like to ask for the editing restrictions in place against me to be lifted. As you can see, I am no longer very active on Wikipedia, whether it concerns the English or German version. Some articles dealing with the subject of [Nichiren Buddhism] are, in my opinion, still very toxic and unbalanced, but I cannot see myself becoming a major contributor to them anymore. The conflicts ten years ago have left their mark. Since its been so long I am not even sure if I am getting this request right.
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ARBPIA5 topic bans
The Arbitration Committee has received several complaints without standing regarding violations of topic bans imposed in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5. Following the unsatisfactory conclusion of an enforcement request against Iskandar323 (due to the standing of the filer), the committee invokes its jurisdiction over matters previously heard and will review all topic bans issued during that case. The committee will determine by motion 1) whether violations of a topic ban have occurred, and 2) what sanction, if any, to levy for any edits determined to be violations. Editors with standing are welcome to present diffs of alleged violations for the committee's consideration.
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- Recuse, I participated as an AE admin in the thread. Pennecaster (Chat with Senne) 20:26, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
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Alleged violations and analysis
- Iskander323
- Blocked for a fortnight on 26 November 2025 for topic ban violation.
- AE request largely focused on Dome on the Rock and edits around history of Judaism.
General discussion
- I'm bringing this here because we have a rough consensus on-list that something needs to be done, but no actionable complaint has yet been presented and the Iskander thread at AE closed without a resolution because the filer was found to be a compromised account. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:28, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
- I think we either need to do a formal review (PIA5.5) or consider roughly 15 potential motions to tie up some loose ends revealed in the 12 months since PIA5 --Guerillero Parlez Moi 17:45, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
- Per User:Newyorkbrad below, I am still very much against using standing to describe anything on Wikipedia, as it reads like Standing (law) which is only going to cause problems and confusion and is completely unnecessary. The community soundly rejected codifying "standing" into Arbitration Policy for good reason, and I do not intend to support any motion that encourages or uses this wording. - Aoidh (talk) 01:29, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- I had abstained from the discussions behind the scenes and do so here too. I'm not sure if it matters much as this isn't a case and I won't be an arb anymore tomorrow; WP:AC/C/P says something about "motions not related to a case", whatever. It would amuse me if my abstention is struck through. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 09:22, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
- I don't agree with the characterization that there was a rough consensus to come here. One Arb, around Christmas, suggested bringing it here, and no one else agreed. I hadn't even read the email as I was away for the holidays (as I suspect many other Arbs were). At any rate, this is far too broad, open ended, and lacking in structure. We're just sending up a call for any diffs about the editors we topic banned a year ago? Without even having a case structure? That is going to create more drama and problems and more work for everyone. We're at ARM and there aren't even any motions. I do hope Guerillero goes and posts his motions though, perhaps in a separate header, as he had some general ideas aimed at tying up loose ends. But I oppose this structureless attempt to fish for further sanctions. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:13, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
Responses from parties
Statement by Iskandar323
One has to marvel at the effort that is being committed to here on behalf of a globally account that was hacked/criminally hijacked by a bad actor. I doubt that even in the bad actor's wildest best-case scenario they imagined their actions could spur ARBCOM to contemplate embarking on a nebulous re-examination of the actions of all participants in a past case. They will surely be, somewhere, raising a champagne glass in toast to a job well done on their part in causing such a ruckus with their throwaway account. What a potential reward for not only disruption, but digital crime within the Wikipedia system in general! What great profit for such a similarly great misdeed! And the principal diff in question that this has been raised over? A comment on a talk page with (then) no CTOP template and with no political bearing and no conflict relevance, but more pertinent to, say, WikiProject Islam, than anything else. A diff that already garnered a collective 'meh' among administrators at the procedurally invalid AE. THAT should be a priority – a diff that disrupted nothing – and not the new-found knowledge that accounts are being hacked and then kept in a sleeper state for up to two years only to brought out for use in CTOPs, and, when and where conducive, to be used to weaponize AE? If this is the direction of travel then I fear the committee has gotten horribly confused somewhere along the lines over its priorities and where its attentions best lie in mitigating disruption. The only disruption that has been meted out here is that by the bad actor, and yet it is precisely this disruption that the motion before the committee proposes to not only oblige, but to amplify. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:02, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Nehushtani: being 'uninvolved' is a droll notion. This despite them having taken me to ANI, alongside other CTOP-related posts, on my talk page. All in Archive 8. They were also involved in presenting evidence in the instigating AE thread. All this despite me never interacting with them prior to the ANI filing. Here's to hoping that they (unlike the many Icewhiz and NoCal100 socks and now unknown account hackers that have graced my user page) are acting in good faith, but uninvolved and just coincidentally calling for a CBAN? I think not. If proceedings proceed, I must insist that they join us on this merry goose chase! Iskandar323 (talk) 12:17, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by BilledMammal
Statement by Levivich
Statement by Nableezy
Statement by Selfstudier
Statement by AndreJustAndre
Received this [3] but per [4] there isn't an allegation about me. Confusing. Assuming that this falls under BANEX, let me know if not, I volunteer, in the interest of transparency, that I edit history topics and avoid anything to do with Israeli state and politics, Zionism anti-Zionism, modern Palestinians, pan-Arabism, Hamas, etc, but my understanding is that ancient archeological Israelites/Judeans aren't covered by the ban. If that has changed, let me know. I have not been warned for any violations since returning from the last sanction, or repeated anything that was sanctioned. I was involved in a discussion on the Talk:Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world#Jews_as_second-class_citizens where it was getting close to the topic and per this suggestion I have since refrained, even though the discussion was pre-exodus dhimmi status and not post-1948. I don't see that I am flouting the ban with my edits and only received that one nudge as far as I can recall. If there is any concern about my editing I only ask that I be given feedback and a chance to adjust or comply with the guidance.
To elaborate on my thought process of how I observe my topic ban, e.g. part of the Khazar hypothesis page, or changing Palestine to Israel if there isn't a source-based historical reason in that context. Those would violate how I think the ban is broadly construed. If the obvious underlying subtext of an edit is ARBPIA-related, such as a statement in the Khazar article that says "it is used by anti-Zionists," well that's explicit, but now if the edit were e.g. [5], well, that edit doesn't mention Zionism, but it certainly makes oblique reference. So I have not reverted that. Similarly, I would consider Pirate Wires to be off-limits, and have avoided that. Even generally on the reliability of Pirate Wires. Technically, not a violation, since they do other stuff, but if an obvious reference to its coverage, that could be. Similarly, I would consider Dome of the Rock to be too close to the Western Wall and how that interacts with East Jerusalem and its inhabitants, the uneasy tension of sharing etc. It's not something from the middle ages, it's a current-day charged political and religious dispute. So I would avoid that and modern Western Wall topics. But I do not consider it a violation to edit Jerusalem Talmud. The Talmud Yerushalmi happens to also be known as the Palestinian Talmud. That doesn't automatically make it a violation to edit about a guy writing manuscripts analyzing rabbinical literature interested in Jerusalem Talmud.
Edited Andre🚐 23:24, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Makeandtoss
Statement by Nishidani
I was topic banned in good part for taking issue over how to correctly construe a diff, innocuous but thought damning by enough admins. So, here, I'd once more draw your attention to sloppy and imprecise language.
The Arbitration Committee has received several complaints without standing regarding violations of topic bans imposed in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5. Following the unsatisfactory conclusion of an enforcement request against Iskandar323 (due to the standing of the filer), (a) the committee invokes its jurisdiction over matters previously heard and will review all topic bans issued during that case.(b) The committee will determine by motion 1) whether violations of a topic ban have occurred, and 2) what sanction, if any, to levy for any edits determined to be violations. Editors with standing are welcome to present diffs of alleged violations for the committee's consideration.
In (a) the bolded 'that case' would appear to refer to the action against Iskander, but grammatically its wording suggests that at issue is the antecedant 'Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5' higher up, meaning contextually that the committee will 'review' the original 'topic bans' themselves.
However as (b) shows, there will be no 'review of all topic bans issued during that case', as clumsily asserted. Rather, and contradicting itself, the text then asserts that all the topic bans stand, and the committee will only adjudicate sanctions for any edits since which violate the bans laid down in the Palestine/Israel articles5 case.
If the point of the exercise is to 'tie up a few loose ends', by all means. But as one hanging from a dropped noose, any further measures in my regard at least would be Flogging a dead horse. Cheerio Nishidani (talk) 23:49, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
Community discussion (uninvolved editors only)
consider roughly 15 potential motions to tie up some loose ends revealed in the 12 months since PIA5
are these motions that did not pass from PIA5 or additional motions besides those? User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 21:05, 28 December 2025 (UTC)- I have just a wording point at the moment. For the past several years, I have urged that the Committee do its best to keep the rule-set in this area as simple as possible; and there has also been a desire for ArbCom to use less legalistic language. For both of these reasons, if "editors with standing" just means "extended-confirmed editors," then please use the latter wording. If you don't, I foresee that sooner or later, someone will try to wikilawyer some distinction between them. Thank you, Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:52, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Newyorkbrad, the most obvious example here is of BlookyNapsta, who initiated the Iskander323 AE thread and has since blocked as a compromised account. So "editors with standing" is indeed intended to have a broader meaning than simply "extended-confirmed editors". -- asilvering (talk) 14:13, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- The scope of the CT refers explicitly to the "Israel-Arab conflict". This "conflict" involves two parties, Israelis and Arabs, and in some cases Jews and Muslims. The recent trend to expand it to anything related to Jews or Arabs separately is a widening that is not supported by Arbcom decisions as far as I know. To take a pertinent example, Iskandar323's recent edit to Talk:Dome of the Rock is about whether the structure is a mosque or a shrine. This is a question which lies entirely within Islamic law and practice. It has nothing to do with either Israel or Jews and therefore nothing to do with the Israel-Arab conflict. I am not aware of any Jewish or Israeli interest in the question. Incidentally, I'll remind the committee that the CT notice was added after Iskandar323's edit. (It is incidentally the wrong notice—it should have the "related content" attribute since only a fraction of the article refers to PIA.) Zerotalk 02:33, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- isn't Zero an involved editor and should be above as he were a party to the case last year? even if he only got a warning? asking honestly, if the involved editors is only folks who got topic bans, apologies. User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 03:12, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- According to the title and the description given by the filer, this is about topic ban violation, and since I don't have a topic ban I can't violate it. If the committee decides to widen it, that might be a different matter. Zerotalk 05:54, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- I've added |section=yes. It seems clear that most of the page content should be accessible to non-extendedconfirmed editors to edit without having to post an edit request. Sean.hoyland (talk) 03:56, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- I think it’s somewhat clear that Iskandar doesn’t have any “hard” tban violations in the edits they were reported for by the compromised account (though they’ve been served a warning and tempban for other ones in the past year). The question, as Guerillero framed it, is twofold:
- whether the
naked violation of their topic ban
linked by Guerillero is worthy of a more severe sanction, when taken in conjunction with their prior vios, and - whether Iskandar’s editing in the tangentially-related areas you describe is a “soft” violation; i.e. not explicitly editing a TBANned page, but a pattern of subtly attempting to push a narrative on related pages (as Guerillero also stated).
- whether the
- The Kip (contribs) 07:02, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- isn't Zero an involved editor and should be above as he were a party to the case last year? even if he only got a warning? asking honestly, if the involved editors is only folks who got topic bans, apologies. User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 03:12, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- My only comment at this time is that I would encourage the Committee to allow presenting evidence on the various sanctioned editors' behavior in general, not just within PIA. When an editor is sanctioned in an ArbCom case, and then continues to disrupt the project in other ways, it is within ArbCom's jurisidiction to consider evidence regarding their general fitness to edit the project. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 04:08, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- In Iskandar323's case specifically, this shows revisions by Iskandar323 post-ARBPIA5-close to pages that are templated as being within scope of CT/A-I, either in whole (blue) or in part (orange) because of the presence of '|section=yes' or '|relatedcontent=yes'. Apologies, but posting an image for this kind of data is my only option at the moment. No comment on the accuracy or completeness of topic area related templating. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:58, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
Maybe don't reward complaints by accounts compromised to stir up trouble by stirring up trouble at their behest. Just a thought.Dan Murphy (talk) 23:18, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- The community seems happy with the current faith-based trust-and-don't-verify 'crime does pay' approach to whether an account is in 'good standing'. A 'crime doesn't pay' approach might be a lot of work e.g. CUs for anyone who uses reporting systems, erasure of content created by accounts found to not be in good standing etc. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:27, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- The community is happy because of both WP:AGF and because misconduct on the part of the filer shouldn't excuse misconduct on the part of the accused. It's an unwinnable situation where misconduct is being excused either way and, assuming bad filers keep getting caught (as they almost always are), the current approach results in the least long-term damage.
- The alternative described is to mandate that any bad-filer reports with merit (read: not frivolous) are re-filed by a non-bad account, either creating more unnecessary work for everyone in re-filing and re-processing the report, or getting the accused off scot-free if nobody re-files the report. The current approach is effectively the community judging that they'd rather just cut out the middleman.
- Remember that Arbcom are not paid employees; they're all volunteers. Sometimes the most convenient option is best. The Kip (contribs) 04:56, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- This is a time-saving exercise? What a world.Dan Murphy (talk) 06:27, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- If nobody but the obvious bad faith account "bothers to refile", how actually disruptive can the behavior that desperately MUST be punished be? Is this about bettering the encyclopedia or simply punishing for the sake of it? Parabolist (talk) 08:24, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- Two points: I'm only addressing filings that were judged to potentially contain valid misconduct, i.e. the Iskandar one that sparked this - that filing wasn't dismissed because Iskandar hadn't done anything wrong, but because the filer literally stole another user's account. We're now here because an arb said there was potential legitimacy to the complaint despite the filer's actions. Frivolous filings in bad faith are what they are, and the community is good at shutting those down.
- I'm also saying that for cases with valid complaints, there's the potential that no non-bad account could refile, which could happen for various reasons; a desire to avoid conflict, to avoid ARBPIA, to avoid being labeled a partisan within ARBPIA, ideological/personal alignment with the accused, etc. I think the second item applies to a lot of Wikipedians, and the fourth item sums up why many cases in the area are accused (usually justifiably) of weaponization - I can only name one recent ARBPIA filing where someone reported a user that was "on their side." I can dig into more research on that if requested.
- All of that could be avoided if you mandate that cases containing legitimate misconduct be re-filed by good-faith editors, which I'd support, but again, that creates more tasks for what's already an over-strained volunteer system. The Kip (contribs) 09:16, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, this doesn't address the systemic issues. If the objective is to improve something, or reduce something, it probably won't do that in any way that matters. That seems to be what history shows. If we can't tell the difference between accounts "in good standing" and accounts created or acquired by people evading a previous sanction, then sanctions related to "legitimate misconduct" can only be imposed on accounts "in good standing". This is perhaps the most important property of the ARBPIA system for me because it breaks the symmetry, it ceases to be a symmetric game, different players have different payoffs, and that changes everything. We know that people who employ ban evasion are effectively unsanctionable and weaponize reporting systems to target editors "in good standing", and so we know that sanctions related to "legitimate misconduct" can only be effectively imposed on people who believe that the rules apply to them and accept the verdict. Under these conditions, what is the objective when we allow people who think the rules don't apply to them to sample the vast number of revisions in the topic area to target opponents and then reward them by pretending that any "good-faith editor" might have done the same thing because it's just about dealing with "legitimate misconduct"? It's not about misconduct. Why would we allow ourselves to be played and pretend that it is? It's about them removing perceived opponents and us rewarding bad actors who employ deception. Many, many people have already learned that it is better to use disposable accounts in the topic area. Some of them keep their heads down, and don't bother anyone, and good for them. Others, like the person who acquired the BlookyNapsta account have a value system that is incompatible with Wikipedia's, and yet we keep reminding them that using disposable/compromised accounts was the right decision. Sean.hoyland (talk) 15:45, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- In Iskandar323's case specifically, this shows revisions by Iskandar323 post-ARBPIA5-close to pages that are templated as being within scope of CT/A-I, either in whole (blue) or in part (orange) because of the presence of '|section=yes' or '|relatedcontent=yes'. Apologies, but posting an image for this kind of data is my only option at the moment. No comment on the accuracy or completeness of topic area related templating. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:58, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- Since finishing their 2-week block for TBAN violations, Iskandar323 has edited Talk:Dome of the Rock (as already discussed), while the article was explicitly tagged as ARBPIA. On 18 December 2025 they edited Syria Palaestina which has an ARBPIA template. Additionally, on 15 December 2025 they removed a phrase that appears in 1988 Hamas charter (to quote from that article "The 1988 Hamas charter proclaims that jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day."). In their edit summary, they cited "marginal sourcing" from Yad Vashem, the Israeli Holocaust museum. On 16 December 2025, they violated their topic ban by discussing the conflict on another TBANed user's talk page. On 17 December 2025 they violated WP:CIVIL.
- In addition to the above violations, they have also edited extensively on the history of Judaism just outside of the topic ban. While no particular edit is problematic, the edits together show an ARBPIA related POV being pushed by minimising the historical Jewish presence in ancient Israel. The connection of Jews to Israel or the denial or downplaying of this connection is one of the major issues of the Israeli-Arab conflict (some of these examples are from before the latest block, but this issue was not addressed in that block and continues). 5 November 2025, 5 November 2025, 25 November 2025, 25 November 2025, 16 December 2025, 16 December 2025, and 17 December 2025.
- Other users TBANed in ARBPIA5 have also violated their TBAN. Levivich responded to Iskandar323 above, also violating their TBAN on their talk page on 16 December 2025. On 25 December 2025, they also violated a participation restriction at AE.
- On 4 November 2025, Nableezy edited another editor's comments on Talk:Gaza genocide, violating their TBAN. They wrote in their edit summary "worth a block of any length", meaning that they were well aware that this was a violation.
- On 28 April 2025, Makeandtoss violated their TBAN with an edit about a sabotage plot related to Israel (see the source cited, and note that in the current version of Islamic Action Front, the section is titled "Reaction to Israel-Palestine war").
- Nishidani was blocked on 22 August 2025 for a month for TBAN violations.
- In short - several of the users TBANed in ARBPIA5 have not been meticulously observing their TBANs and continue the same behavior as before their TBANs. I think that ARBCOM needs to get involved. The pattern shown with Iskandar323 is especially disturbing. The user had multiple TBAN violations, and following a block for those violations, they continue with the same behavior. Multiple warnings and a temporary site block have not deterred them from violating their TBAN over and over again. I see no alternative to an indef CBAN. I also recommend to ARBCOM to take a look at the behavior of other senior users who have been involved in similar conduct to those who were banned in ARBPIA5. Nehushtani (talk) 07:20, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- The Makeandtoss claim feels weak - unless I'm missing something, neither the Reuters source nor the article address anything directly related to ARBPIA, and another Reuters article says the sabotage plot was planned attacks within Jordan. The Kip (contribs) 09:21, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- The Reuters source is about the sabotage plot that links to an article from a week earlier that explains the full context at Jordan says it has foiled attacks by Muslim Brotherhood which explains that "Security forces found a rocket manufacturing facility alongside a drone factory, according to a statement by the General Intelligence Department released on state media. "The plot aimed at harming national security, sowing chaos and causing material destruction inside the kingdom," the statement said. ... It said some of the arms were bound for the neighbouring Israeli-occupied West Bank, adding that they have arrested several Jordanians linked to Palestinian militants. ... Jordan has over 3,500 American troops stationed in several bases and, since the war between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza erupted in October 2023, it has been increasingly targeted by Iranian-backed groups operating in neighbouring Syria and Iraq." In other words, the "sabotage plot" was intended to smuggle weapons to Palestinians to use against Israel. Nehushtani (talk) 10:49, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- The Makeandtoss claim feels weak - unless I'm missing something, neither the Reuters source nor the article address anything directly related to ARBPIA, and another Reuters article says the sabotage plot was planned attacks within Jordan. The Kip (contribs) 09:21, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- The underlying question here is "what to do when sockpuppets, compromised accounts, etc. bring an at least potentially valid concern to AE." This is a particular problem in the ARBPIA topic area due to the large number of recurring sockpuppets, who aggressively target ideological opponents, coupled with lots and lots of people with restrictions that they may in fact have violated. On one hand we don't want to ignore potentially valid problems, but on the other hand moving forward based on allegations from sockpuppets encourages them to continue pressuring Wikipedia via those vectors and creates potentially one-sided examinations because the socks can freely harass people, getting banned repeatedly, then report them when their targets react; additionally, normal users would get in trouble if they repeatedly abused AE, whereas sockmasters can keep creating new accounts and throw things at the wall until they find something that sticks. That said, I feel that this shouldn't actually be that hard of a question - we've already answered it, albeit in lower-pressure situations, when it comes to WP:BANREVERT. Specifically: If it's found that someone is a sock or otherwise shouldn't have been bringing things to AE, it can be closed without prejudice until / unless an editor in good standing is willing to vouch for it; but anyone can choose to vouch for it and re-open it (or create a new case based on it), effectively taking over as the filer. This avoids situations where people can use sockpuppets to spam our system with weak accusations, while still making it easy for cases to happen when there's clearly something that needs to be looked into. --Aquillion (talk) 19:32, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah the iskandar blookynapsta filing situation tban vio is a good initial place to start from. I have no opinion for or against further creep scope at this point User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 19:35, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
- Anyone filing lots of reports against ideological opponents/participating lots at AE should just be page blocked from it, uninvolved editors in good standing should be using their social capital to clean up these CTs Kowal2701 (talk) 20:47, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed the rapid fire ae reports was not a good look. Nor was the participant restriction not being used earlier and more often. User:Bluethricecreamman (Talk·Contribs) 21:29, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
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@Butterscotch Beluga - The claim that "They asked you to come to talk to discuss & but you didn't respond until other editors got involved" is inaccurate. The discussion started on the talk page was open 08:01, 16 November 2025 about whether it was due in the body of the article. Their arguments convinced me that it is widely enough covered to be due in the body of the article so I did not respond. Later that day, on 10:09, 16 November 2025, they began edit warring the contentious content into the lead with no discussion whatsoever. Nehushtani (talk) 07:38, 26 November 2025 (UTC) @Cinaroot's claim that I did not participate in the talk page discussion is once again inaccurate, as there was no discussion about the inclusion in the lead, as I explained above. Also, although they were uninvolved in this specific discussion, it does not seem to be a coincidence that they posted this commont shortly after I have informed them of a 1RR violation. Nehushtani (talk) 17:54, 29 November 2025 (UTC) @Valereee - I fixed the diff you asked about; something went wrong with the formatting, but it should be ok now. Also, should I respond to Drmies's comments? They are an admin, but I'm unsure if I should respond because they wrote their comments outside of the admin section. Nehushtani (talk) 06:26, 11 December 2025 (UTC) @Drmies - I don't understand your argument that "this isn't edit warring". WP:ONUS states that "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." Since إيان was trying to add disputed content, it was their responsibility to achieve consensus, and trying to add the contested content multiple times before achieving consensus is edit warring, not the other way around. Regarding the discussion on the talk page - My main argument is that mentioning the chants is undue for the lead as it is only tangentially related to the holiday. I said early on in the discussion on 11:29, 23 November 2025 "I have consistently insisted (and still believe) that it is undue for the lead." We did digress briefly into a discussion about another page, but that was never my main contention. Whether or not something is a false equivalence is a content dispute and is not what it is being discussed at AE. Nehushtani (talk) 12:49, 11 December 2025 (UTC)
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Discussion concerning إيانStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by إيانThe disagreement appears to be about the content of my edits rather than my conduct, as evident in these contrived, shoehorned, and misrepresentative accusations:
Per WP:Dispute resolution: If you have taken all other reasonable steps to resolve the dispute, and the dispute is not over the content of an article, you can request arbitration. It would have been appreciated if the accuser had, for example, discussed their grievances with me at any point directly on my talk page before bothering everyone here with these flagrantly frivolous and vexatious accusations and this unnecessary bureaucracy. I take the Wikipedia policies very seriously, and it is inappropriate to try to weaponize Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement to silence editors contributing in good faith with whom we might disagree on content. إيان (talk) 15:45, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
Statement by BlookyNapsta
Statement by Butterscotch BelugaYour description of "Uncivil behavior and violations of WP:AGF" seems rather inaccurate. They asked you to come to talk to discuss & but you didn't respond until other editors got involved. The comment you're quoting for "not policy based" actually read "Not a source or policy-based argument." The comment they were replying to was in response to my comment saying it was WP:DUE & backed by sources, so saying you disagree without supplying your own sources is unhelpful. I don't believe asking for someone to explain their reasoning or cite a source for their !vote is WP:BLUDGEONING as long as they don't badger them further. The issue regarding WP:SYNTH is both settled & not a conduct-issue. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 15:51, 25 November 2025 (UTC) Statement by Cinaroot(un-involved) If there was edit warring in this situation, the sequence of events indicates that it is Nehushtani who have engaged in edit warring. إيان opened a talk-page thread on 16 November immediately after the first revert, but Nehushtani did not participate in that discussion. When another editor reverted the Nehushtani on 21st, Nehushtani edit warred with them. إيان then reverted Nehushtani and requested to engage on the talk page. Nehushtani engaged after this. Rather than using the existing talk-page discussion to seek consensus, Nehushtani continued reverting. It is not appropriate to revert repeatedly without participating in discussion, and then characterize the other party as the one edit-warring. Editors are expected to collaborate and engage in talk page discussions in a timely manner, in line with WP:CONSENSUS. The evidence does not substantiate the claim that إيان was the party engaged in edit warring. Accordingly, I ask that the enforcement request be dismissed. Cinaroot (talk) 09:24, 29 November 2025 (UTC) Statement by OriginalcolaI cannot speak to any of the other claims made, but with regard to the 3rd and 4th charges إيان was clearly engaging in bludgeoning. They replied directly to the majority of editors who had cast oppose votes, and repeatedly insinuated that editors, including myself, were either acting in bad faith, arguing in bad faith or that editors that opposed the proposed name change were ignoring his arguments deliberately. They also made a false claim regarding case-sensitive searches in an argument to try and sway an editor by convincing them that they had made a misatake that they then repeated multiple times, although I did initially think it is more likely than not due to a lack of familiarity with using ngrams.Originalcola (talk) 19:13, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
Statement by QuicoleJRThe editor in question, after the content was removed from Jerusalem Day, added it to anti-Palestinian racism. They have also added the chant to the See Also section of globalize the intifada, and are the creator of the May Your Village Burn article which they are trying to add content about to other articles. Furthermore, upon reviewing their recent contributions, it would appear that most of their recent editing consists of expanding on controversies and negative coverage of Israel and their supporters, as can be seen here (see also this related POV edit), here, here (which was another insertion of content related to an article they created), and here. Nehushtani's conduct has also been subpar in this topic area, but adding this to the OP's report shows that the user in question is a clear POV pusher, which the topic area certainly needs less of. IMO a topic ban is unfortunately warranted to avoid further POV pushing, although I could also see a balanced editing restriction being passed as a lighter sanction. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
Statement by SamuelshragaI participated in the Six-Day War RM. I think إيان probably did enter bludgeoning territory (there was a lot of repetition the same arguments). The bludgeoning was about WP:COMMONNAME[6][7][8][9], then about the article naming policies of WP:CRITERIA and WP:POVTITLE[10][11][12][13]. I think there was also a certain measure of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT - إيان was corrected on both issues repeatedly by multiple editors over the course of weeks. That said, إيان did (finally) accept that their case about WP:COMMONNAME was flawed[14], and did ultimately stop engaging when told they were approaching a word limit. In isolation, I wouldn't consider the conduct in the Six-Day War RMs worthy of sanction, especially not if إيان understands where they went amiss. Based on the statement above that the accusations of bludgeoning are No comment either way on the rest of the evidence, other than the response to 2: Statement by LonghornsgTheir heart is in the right place, but I've had a number of interactions with this user in PIA that do not give me great confidence that they can contribute My experiences aren't content disputes. WP:SYNTH is a violation of policy. SYNTH on a BLP is worse. See the examples and conversation at Talk:Jordana_Cutler#SYNTH-y mess as an example, with the editor as the offender. This came after I had to warn the user for additional SYNTH violations in PIA. Concerningly, while the editor perfunctorily acknowledged the issue, they defended their use of SYNTH and resorted to accusing me of WP:BADFAITH. This is exactly what the user was warned not to do by AE consensus just over a month ago. Longhornsg (talk) 03:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by DrmiesI'm moving my comments to the section below, since I'm an uninvolved administrator and we need resolution here. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 11 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning إيان
I'm only looking at items 1 and 2 now. The charge of edit warring on Jerusalem Day is--well it's not even weak. Nehushtani has "edit warred" as much as the other editor has, meaning, meh, this isn't edit warring. The charge in 2. is more exciting, because Nehushtani argues that the editor has been disrupting the regular process--yet when I look at the discussion I see inane comments like "According to this logic, we should mention antisemitic chants in the leads of articles about pro-Palestinian eve...". But the "logic" was that it was well covered, extensively covered, in this article. So إيان says "UNDUE"--and this is predictably followed by "you're UNDUE". "False equivalence" says Butterscotch Beluga, and they are correct, but Nehushtani pushes this argument for Land Day as well, as if all those things are equal. If anyone is stonewalling, it's them, and that's what this AE request seems to be about as well: tying up editors with vexatious procedures. I may still have a look at the other items but if 1 and 2 are the strongest ones, then it's clear to me that if anything, Nehushtani might well deserve a topic ban. Drmies (talk) 21:54, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
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ShoBDin
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Request concerning ShoBDin
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Lf8u2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:17, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- ShoBDin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- WP:ARBPIA5
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
This report concerns the addition of over a dozen MOS:SEEALSO links to a newly created article by the same editor to pages only tangentially or not at all related to the subject and outside its scope, while the article is undergoing an active AfD discussion.
When reverted by others and myself, and also taken note of in the AfD with these reasons cited, the editor did not engage in WP:BRD or appropiately respond to the concerns noted in the edit summaries, but restored them with edit summaries such as Totally in scope
. The pattern and timing of these edits also raise concerns about promotional activity, as well as potential improper influence on the deletion process, rather than routine encyclopedic improvement. The article was also nominated to DYK hours after being created.
Some diffs/edit summaries:
- Rome Statute
Totally in scope
- United Nations Security Council Resolution 1325
Related to the article
- Geneva Conventions
An example of Geneva Conventions violations, related e of Gen
- Human Rights Watch
Related to Human rights
- United Nations Human Rights Council
Has everything to do with Human rights
- Amnesty International
Related as Amnesty published a report about these crimes
- Rape during the Sierra Leone Civil War - no reason cited
- Rape during the Syrian civil war - no reason cited
- Rape during the Rwandan genocide
Rape is a sexual crime, related
- War crime
Sexual abuse is a war crime
- Violence against men
Violence was inflicted on the hostages
- Violence against women
Female hostages experienced violence, surely related
- Gender-related violence
GENDER is in the headline
- Prisoner of war
Complete relevance
Conduct issues
- WP:CANVASSING / WP:POINT
- While no explicit notifications were made, the addition of links to multiple pages during an active AfD may constitute indirect or effect-based canvassing. The edits appear likely to increase visibility or perceived notability of the article during the deletion discussion, which is discouraged under canvassing guidance, even if framed neutrally.
- WP:NPOV
- The editor knows we also have a page on sexual and gender-based violence against Palestinians as they also recently linked their newly created article to its See also. The only difference here is that victims and perpetrators are reversed. Yet they did not include a link to this article alongside their newly created one to any of the other pages, which indicates a double standard and editing in violation of NPOV.
- WP:SPAM / WP:NOTADVERTISING
- Adding links to a newly created article on loosely related pages, particularly during AfD, risks being promotional rather than encyclopedic. Links should be added only where they clearly improve reader understanding of the target page, independent of the linked article's deletion status.
- WP:UNDUE / WP:WEIGHT
- The insertion of links to a new article across multiple pages may give the subject disproportionate weight relative to its demonstrated coverage. This is especially problematic when the article’s notability is actively being evaluated at AfD.
Additional notes
- ShoBDin has engaged in the same behavior with other articles they created, such as Hamas external European operations and Hezbollah's drone smuggling network. Their additions have been reverted by other editors, yet the behavior persists. Some were also immediately promoted to DYK, despite being new and unreviewed. This is not limited to PIA.
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)
- Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 7 July 2025 (see the system log linked to above).
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
@Chaotic Enby fixed it. Also appreciate the feedback so far, but can @ShoBDin and admins also review in my view most concerning issues I raised, in particular what appears to be rather blatant WP:NPOV nature of the mass-linking, which as another editor noted continues to be exhibited in the partial self-reverts after the apology, and the stealth-canvassing?Lf8u2 (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning ShoBDin
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Statement by ShoBDin
I would like to sincerely apologize for the differences noted above by the filer. Over the past several weeks, I became emotionally involved in the topic of sexual and gender-based violence against Israeli hostages, as an increasing number of disturbing examples appeared in the media. I was deeply troubled to see that some editors were calling for, and attempting to persuade others into, deleting the article. This led me on one hand to focus on improving the article, while on the other hand, I was adding links to it and of it on other relevant and less relevant Wikipedia pages. I now recognize that attempting to insert these links forcefully was a serious mistake. I regret using measures that did not align with Wikipedia’s standards, and I acknowledge that allowing this issue to become personal affected my judgment. I am truly sorry for this lapse. I fully understand the importance of following Wikipedia’s guidelines, and learned from this experience. I assure you that I will not repeat these mistakes, It will not happen again. ShoBDin (talk) 13:30, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Sean.hoyland
If it is the case that one or more editors/admins believe ShoBDin's behavior qualifies as disruptive, and I have nothing useful to say on that, then can I suggest that an alternative approach would be to file an SPI to rule out the possibility of ban evasion and potentially save some time processing an AE report. I have put some information here. Whether it is enough to justify a checkuser, I have no idea. Anyone is welcome to use it if they believe an SPI report is merited and might help. Sean.hoyland (talk) 06:12, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
@User:Newslinger, I understand. My filing an SPI would be a straight up WP:NOTLAB violation to be honest, but other editors can do whatever they think is for the best. Sean.hoyland (talk) 05:47, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
@User:asilvering, yes, SPI reports need actual evidence. In this case, I've provided the only evidence I'm able to supply at a near zero cost for me (because I don't want to spend time on detective work) that may or may not be enough to trigger a CU - coincidental registration, timecard resemblance, a couple of somewhat improbable revision comment matches, a number of improbable page intersections at pages with few revisions, few unique accounts, relatively low pageviews and less than 30 watchers. Pretty weak sauce. It's limited to addressing the question - what are the similarities (and differences) between these 2 particular currently active accounts. If anyone wants to look into it, they can. But for me, ShoBDin getting a better understanding of what can look disruptive to other editors and adapting to that probably has more utility. Sean.hoyland (talk) 15:10, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Smallangryplanet
As an editor who reverted some of the relevant see-also links, I'm glad to see ShoBDin say they understand why their edits were misguided. I would ask if they could also explain why (if it was the result of an emotional attachment to this particular subject) did they repeat this behaviour with the other articles they had freshly made, including outside of PIA? They nominated Hezbollah's drone smuggling network to DYK just a couple of hours after creating the article. While this is notionally compliant with the DYK policy (WP:DYKNEW), the sourcing in this and other articles does or did not live up to other policies in the DYK flow, i.e. WP:DYKCITE. Speaking of other articles, they repeated what they were doing with the smuggling article and other pages, adding them to a lot of pages not necessarily compliant with MOS:SEEALSO, for reasons I can only speculate about. The 2025 Hamas executions article was wikilinked from - for example - the Al Mezan Center for Human Rights page
(diff1), they then attempted to justify the inclusion when reverted (diff3), saying that there was a clear connection as they reacted on the executions
. With the (now deleted) Hamas external European operations article, it was added to - among others - Global Sumud Flotilla (diff2) and Loyal to Familia (diff3). As noted by Lf8u2, they have also engaged in this behaviour with pages outside PIA.
I would like them to also explain what, to me, is the most troubling issue raised here: mass-linking their own newly created article about sexual violence against Israelis to all these pages, but not the equivalent page for Palestinians (while also adding the former to the latter)? If ShoBDin believes the former is within the scope of these other articles, why wouldn't the latter also be, by the same standard? (Let alone WP:DUE.) This editing MO extends more generally to articles about sexual violence in other conflicts (like those in Syria, Sierra Leone, Rwanda etc.) to which they added the Israeli wikilink, but none of the broader articles about human rights and war crimes more generally, where they did not include any of these other conflicts' sexual violence on the Israeli one's See Also in turn.
Also: can ShoBDin please explain why in the self-reverts they did after apologising here and taking accountability they retained the links in pages including Rome Statute, Rape during the Syrian civil war, Gender-related violence, and Wartime sexual violence? Thanks. Smallangryplanet (talk) 20:09, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
@theleekycauldron Totally agree - I'm not proposing a refocus on DYK, I thought I would mention the DYK stuff as part of a broader pattern. Indeed, let's not get side-tracked and instead focus on the inappropriate mass NPOV and possibly advertising-ish See Also linking, particularly in PIA. Smallangryplanet (talk) 11:42, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
@Valereee I've struck my DYK comments. Smallangryplanet (talk) 13:03, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Butterscotch Beluga
Though unrelated to WP:PIA, they've continued to promote their newly created articles, in this case, Barry J. Brock sexual misconduct allegations, in the "See also" sections of questionably related/appropriate articles [17][18][19][20] - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by (username)
Result concerning ShoBDin
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- @Sean.hoyland: In most cases, sockpuppet investigations (SPIs) are partially out of scope on this noticeboard (AE), because "The scope of a discussion is limited to the conduct of two parties: the filer and the user being reported", and an SPI would involve a examining the conduct of a third editor. If you are unwilling to open a new case at WP:SPI with the data you collected, then it is unlikely to be actionable here, because AE is not designed to handle SPIs. SPIs that require complex behavioral analysis can easily take weeks to resolve, which is why they should be decoupled from AE reports that typically focus on more obvious conduct issues. — Newslinger talk 12:26, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- Sean.hoyland, what's the supposed ban evasion here? It looks to me like neither account is blocked or has any restrictions. Am I missing something? -- asilvering (talk) 19:31, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Sean.hoyland, if someone filed an SPI saying "these guys are similar" without any evidence of abuse or ban evasion, the case would simply be closed. I'd be happy to look into this, but you've got to give me something to work with, and "I have a list of banned people that are similar but I won't tell you who they are" isn't that. -- asilvering (talk) 06:32, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- why are we fixated on the DYK thing? it's not weird to nominate an article for DYK after you created it, that's the point. If the article has faulty sourcing, just talk about that on its own. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:48, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- +1. Articles must be submitted to DYK within a few days of having been moved to article space, so it's not unusual for them to hit DYK before being patrolled. And the vast majority are nominated by their creators. Newer editors often submit articles that don't meet DYK criteria, the resulting peer review/helping these new editors learn general policy is part of the value DYK provides to the project. I'd just strike the DYK concerns. Valereee (talk) 12:28, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- Addressing the rest of the original filing, the "Some diffs/edit summaries" list contains 15 instances of edit warring, as ShoBDin is undoing another editor's reversion of their edit in every one of these diffs. There were three additional instances of edit warring in "See also" sections that were missed: Extrajudicial killing (06:57, 21 October 2025), Human rights in Palestine (06:54, 21 October 2025), and Al Mezan Center for Human Rights (06:45, 21 October 2025), which brings the count up to 18. However, I see that ShoBDin self-reverted 10 of these instances shortly after posting their statement in this discussion.Looking beyond the "See also" links, I found other articles on which ShoBDin has edit warred to restore disputed content:
- Muslim Brotherhood: Added content at 15:19, 20 November 2025; was reverted by first editor at 18:24, 26 November 2025; undid reversion at 08:43, 9 December 2025; was reverted by second editor at 23:34, 10 December 2025; undid second reversion at 11:51, 15 December 2025; talk page discussion started by first editor at 23:27, 15 December 2025; did not join talk page discussion
- Sexual and gender-based violence against Israeli hostages during the Gaza war: Added content at 12:17–12:23, 12 December 2025, was partially reverted at 00:26, 13 December 2025; undid reversion at 07:21, 14 December 2025; no talk page discussion
- Capital punishment in the Gaza Strip: Added content at 11:33, 15 October 2025; was reverted by Smallangryplanet at 13:29, 18 October 2025; undid first reversion at 06:53, 19 October 2025; modified content at 06:58, 19 October 2025; was reverted by second editor at 23:44, 25 October 2025; undid second reversion at 08:25, 26 October 2025; was reverted by second editor at 02:10, 27 October 2025; talk page discussion started by second editor at 02:24, 27 October 2025; undid third reversion at 08:04, 19 November 2025; was reverted by second editor at 17:55, 19 November 2025; undid fourth reversion at 07:57, 20 November 2025; was reverted by Smallangryplanet at 12:21, 20 November 2025; joined talk page discussion at 12:40, 20 November 2025
- The above shows that ShoBDin has a pattern of reflexively undoing other editors' reversions of their edits, often with edit summaries such as "Do not remove relevant sourced information, if you want it removed open a discussion on the Talk page" that are inconsistent with the WP:ONUS policy ("The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content").
- At a minimum, ShoBDin should receive a logged warning for edit warring, but I would also support a revert restriction. Although this is not in the standard set, I believe an editor-focused variant of the enforced BRD restriction ("an edit that is challenged by reversion may not be reinstated by the editor who originally made it until the editor (a) posts a talk page message discussing the edit and (b) waits 24 hours from the time of the talk page message") for ShoBDin in the WP:CT/A-I topic area would specifically target the issue here. — Newslinger talk 15:03, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- I tend to support this revert restriction. As an aside, I don't think "revert restrictions" in the WP:STANDARDSET are limited to WP:0RR/ WP:1RR with only the standard exceptions, but could include 0RR with added exceptions (such as for reverts after some wait time, discussion, or consensus), which is what that would be. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 16:02, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- That sounds reasonable and I'll make that my understanding from now on. — Newslinger talk 18:15, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- I tend to support this revert restriction. As an aside, I don't think "revert restrictions" in the WP:STANDARDSET are limited to WP:0RR/ WP:1RR with only the standard exceptions, but could include 0RR with added exceptions (such as for reverts after some wait time, discussion, or consensus), which is what that would be. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 16:02, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- Purely in terms of readability: @Lf8u2 and @Sean.hoyland, you respectively have 23 diffs (not counting the required ones) and 745 words, exceeding the limits of 20 diffs and 500 words. Please either request extensions or shorten your respective statements. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:45, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks to both of you! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:09, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- This discussion has been inactive for over a week. If no other administrators comment in this section within the next 1–2 days, then the proposed enforced BRD restriction should be implemented as a WP:0RR editor restriction with exceptions. — Newslinger talk 18:29, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
Hogshine
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Request concerning Hogshine
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Historynerd361 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:35, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Hogshine (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
Sanctions on ACAS topics.
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
[21] Pattern of Personal Attacks against me WP:NPA
- "intentionally dishonest”
- "serious case of lack of competence”.
- repeatedly insinuated that I am part of a "meat/sockpuppet network”.
- backhanded uncollegial remarks "I'm being charitable towards you (again), try to be charitable back for once”
- Your contributions to this project are minimal’’
- ”Gaming the system to rack up edit counts”
- "I don't think you're here to build an encyclopedia”
2. 12/11 Accusing user:777network of: ″using ChatGPT to write articles″ (several times) – ″gaming the system to rack up edit counts″
13/11 ″Good faith was assumed and handed to you on a silver plate, but you've proven otherwise″
6/12 tag-teaming for consensus’'
3. On the latest ANI Hogshine's primary reply's avoided addressing the new allegations of personal attacks and incivility, instead spending significant effort re-litigating a prior, closed ANI case and your past edits, which demonstrates a failure to constructively engage with the dispute resolution process. A similar behavior also exists on the talk pages mentioned above.
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- 11/10-25 Warned by admin Asilvering
- If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)
11 October 2025 Administrator Asilvering issued a formal, logged final warning to Hogshine regarding conduct in ACAS topics during a prior ANI. This warning explicitly references the WP:GS/ACAS sanctions.
29 November Hoghsine makes edit where he acknowledges the GS/ACAS warning.
On Michael the Syrian talkpage he mentions ACAS several times.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
On 15 November user Hogshine asked Asilvering ″ how is pointing out another's disruptive behavior considered disruptive itself″. Asilvering provided Hogshine guidelines regarding personal attacks. Despite receiving explicit guidance from Asilvering on regarding personal attacks, Hogshine continued to make them, as documented in the Jacob of Edessa talk page discussion and his subsequent ANI reply. This shows a pattern of behavior that persists even after administrative correction. Hogshine's interactions with other editors and administrators are consistently uncollegial. Even when directly addressed by an administrator about his motivations (see this,) his response was to argue semantics ('The aspersion was the "ejecting opponent” part') rather than engage constructively. This pattern of confrontational, rather than collaborative responses, contributes to the hostile environment in ACAS topics.
- You still continue with your personal attacks... Your reply labels my actions as "WP:DISHONEST," insists 777network "demonstrably" used ChatGPT, and suggests this AE request itself was written by an "LLM" or "different person." These are not good-faith critiques of edits; they are attacks on other editors' character and motives, violating WP;NPA and WP:AGP. Your repeated, serious claims of a coordinated "sock/meat network" are presented without new evidence and serve primarily to discredit complainants rather than address their specific conduct concerns. This AE request is about a pattern of hostile personal interactions that poison collaboration. Hogshine's response attempts to shift the discussion back to content disputes about individual articles and old warnings, which is beyond the scope of this enforcement request.
- Please note that this AE was filed on request of Asilvering if the ANI would be archived without any results, which it was, hence my report. Also note that I’m not trying to get you out of Wikipedia, I just want you to know your behavior of editing and replaying is not acceptable. Historynerd361 (talk) 22:55, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- [@Newslinger:] I filed this request specifically regarding Hogshine's pattern of personal attacks and incivility, as I believe it is the primary conduct issue disrupting collaboration in ACAS topics. My evidence and focus are on that pattern. While I defer to administrator discretion, I believe keeping the scope focused on Hogshine's conduct would allow for the clearest evaluation of the behavior I reported. If there are separate concerns about 777network's conduct, they could be addressed in a different venue as you suggested. Historynerd361 (talk) 13:36, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Hogshine
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Statement by Hogshine
This is the third complaint by Historynerd361 against me. It's sounding more and more personal. [22][23] Almost all was addressed in 2nd ANI.
The list of "personal attacks" were not attacks but objective statements. Proof below. The thread went on for a while before HN realized his own mistake in mis-citing a work. User:777network proceeded to published their edit before consensus was actually reached. HN's history, per 2nd ANI, proves he misses citations, either intentionally or not, hence the WP:CIR & WP:DISHONEST accusations.
HN was found "Possible" in two SPIs to a now-banned sock/meat network.[24]. Canvassed twice by the main puppetmaster [25] [26]. Substantial contribution to puppetmaster's draft which brought on this whole ordeal (Draft:Aramean people), only second to Wlaak. HN voted in accordance with other now-banned puppets in this Redirect discussion [27]. Same type of edits as puppets i.e. changing/removing any mention of "Assyrians", including wikilinks to Assyrian people, plus edited a number of similar pages that involve ACAS topics, the same pages at times. [truncated 47 diffs]
777network displays similar if not more meatpuppet-esque behavior; I can provide diffs if requested.
Accusing user:777network of: ″using ChatGPT to write articles
which they demonstrably did, hence the false citations (other evidence aside).
closed ANI case and your past edits
So did a LLM also write this for you, or was it a different person?
contributions... are minimal
If you spend as much time building this encyclopedia as posting complaints & removing thousands of my bits [28], I wouldn't say it.
response was to argue semantics
This accusation has been thoroughly addressed but you keep bringing it up. It is abundantly clear, from the links you posted, that the accusation was baseless. On that same page/discussion, 777network was repeatedly told to undo their contentious edit & establish consensus in talk pages, to which they ignored.
backhanded uncollegial remarks
Same user threatened me and called me a shit talker. [29]
An ANI was posted against HN by a different user (to which he ignored, despite being reminded twice [30][31]) about his gaming-like edits to his Draft:Beth Aramaye. Please see the draft's history.
HN is unable to point to where I violated my warning despite mentioning it several times. In fact, he himself violated his own [32]
Honestly, it has been beyond frustrating dealing with these nonstop contentions and formal complaints by User:Historynerd361 and User:777network. I try to improve neglected articles like Michael the Syrian but I find myself having to play this song & dance with them every few days. Whatever reason they want me out for, they're collectively grasping at straws to prove it. ~ Hogshine (talk) 21:43, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- As I said, critiques of your disruptive behavior are not personal attacks. The mountain of evidence I provided to prove so demonstrates that it is you who's consistently violating rules & warnings. Not using AI that makes mistakes, including this very AE here, would have avoided us days worth of disputes. ~ Hogshine (talk) 07:06, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- @777network, I will not stop the allegations until you stop committing them. You've been informed of this before [33]. I stand by everything I said about your disruptive behavior, and I'm under no obligation to stop no matter how many times you order me to as long a you're continuously doing it.
No, I did not call you a shit talker. I said I was tired of this shit talking
I'll let that absurd statement speak for itself.
You even implied that the admin @Asilvering gave me permission to threaten you
No, I pointed out that you called me a shit-talker and Asilvering said nothing about it in their reply to you. Please don't make things up just to make me look bad. - In that same discussion you keep quoting, you were repeatedly told to undo your edits & make talk page discussions [34]. You did not, and in fact reverted me [35]. ~ Hogshine (talk) 21:25, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
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Statement by 777network
Thank you for moving this to AE. Keeping this as short as possible, Hogshine has repeatedly made personal accusations during content disputes, including claims of bad faith, POV-pushing, rule-breaking, gaming the system, and using AI to write articles at Michael the Syrian.
Despite being asked multiple times to stop, he continued, told me Wikipedia might not be for me, characterized me as "emotional," and later misrepresented my objections as a "threat" under WP:THREATEN (which an admin told was not the case). This behavior is coupled with POV enforcement and clear double standards across Michael the Syrian and Jacob of Edessa, where he selectively invoked policies to block sourced content related to Aramean identity while refusing to revert his own disputed changes.
Other editors noted that Hogshine’s objections were transparently POV-driven rather than policy-based, including an editor stating that WP:CVREPEAT was cited in a first-time warning to eject an opponent from the topic area. While Hogshine denied this and accused others of casting aspersions, an admin intervened and stated that the observation was "so transparently true" and cautioned him accordingly. However, this did not make him stop either, Hogshine tripled-down on the ANI page, stating that the observer and the admin were both wrong, whilst also again throwing aspirations and personal attacks at me. He was already told that I had not threatened him, yet he kept saying I did.
As Historynerd noted, because we were both involved in the same discussion, hogshine accused us of tag-teaming for consensus, despite neither of us continuing to engage. He also seems to be shifting focus a lot towards past SPI’s, for reasons I do not understand. Editing within the topics I do, should not really be considered to be basis of "meat-puppetry." There is only a handful of articles that cover these topics, hence the overlaps between different users. Same logic/argument could be said about Hogshine, but it just doesn’t make sense. Judging by Hogshine’s reply, it seems as he’s not even denying the allegations.
It’s difficult to summarize everything briefly, so I strongly recommend that any admin read this ANI comment of mine thoroughly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 777network (talk • contribs) 20:03, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- [@Hogshine:] Just like you did on the ANI, here too you are proving the points we have presented ([41][42]). You do not stop the allegations. If there is a genuine concern that we are sockpuppets, file an SPI. If you genuinely think I have threatened you, file a complaint. If you genuinely think we have tag teamed to manufacture consensus, file a complaint. Do not run around numerous talk pages and topics accusing us of these things.
- This must be the third time I am telling you to stop saying that I have threatened you. My comment about this being the last time I am saying this was perfectly fine according to Asilvering. No, I did not call you a shit talker. I said I was tired of this shit talking. There is a difference between the two. I judged content, not the person.
- Wikipedia doesn't have unlimited articles covering ACAS topics. It is only natural for different users to have overlapping edits. Stop saying that I am a sockpuppet because of this.
- On the ANI you did the exact same thing as you are doing now. You keep deflecting the topic and only prove our points. Everyone seems to be wrong, including admins, except you. You even implied that the admin @Asilvering gave me permission to threaten you. Now that, I'm pretty sure, is an aspiration without excuse. 777network (talk) 20:11, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Reply to Newslinger, moved to correct section
- Can I explain/defend myself? I find this highly speculative and not representing the truth. 777network (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger, my word count would be up to 806, so sorry but is it possible to increase it a bit more? 777network (talk) 12:27, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for extending my word limit, @Newslinger.
- To address the concerns raised, I would like to start by acknowledging my unconstructive edits regarding date formats. I was previously unaware of MOS:DATE, but I realize the amount of cleanup work I created for others and I regret the disruption. As noted in my user contributions, I ceased these edits immediately after I was told about the guideline.
- Regarding ECR (WP:GS/KURD), I would like to point out that when I discussed this with the admin Bushranger, it was determined not to be a violation. Consequently, Bushranger removed the ECR protection from the article. While I found the scope of GS/KURD confusing, I did not believe that editing an article merely because it mentioned "Kurds" fell under those restrictions.
- I also understand the worries regarding sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry, but I categorically deny any off-wiki coordination with Historynerd361, and I have no connection to Wlaak/DavidKaf. While disputes regarding Aramean topics go back decades, there is a very limited number of articles involving them, so overlapping edits should be expected among the few editors interested in this topic.
- Regarding the flag, anyone searching for the Syriac-Aramean flag would notice that the colors were recently changed, I noticed this and attempted to fix it. I had already been active prior to it, me editing this topic would naturally also come across the flag.
- @Newslinger, my word count would be up to 806, so sorry but is it possible to increase it a bit more? 777network (talk) 12:27, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
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Result concerning Hogshine
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- Hogshine, there is a max of 20 diffs. You've provided 57. Please trim that down to the 20 that will be most helpful to responding admins. -- asilvering (talk) 03:22, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Hogshine: A "possible" SPI result does not justify making allegations of sockpuppetry in content discussions. Since there was insufficient evidence to take action against 777network in the SPI, please do not continue accusing 777network of sockpuppetry unless you are doing so in a new case at WP:SPI with new compelling evidence. If you have evidence that 777network is engaging in other types of misconduct in the WP:GS/ACAS contentious topic, you can file a new enforcement request on this noticeboard. (777network's conduct is out of scope in this request, except to the extent necessary to determine whether Hogshine's comments were appropriate.) — Newslinger talk 13:03, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- On second thought, it may be easier to waive the two-editor scope requirement and expand the scope of this AE request to also include 777network. asilvering, what do you think? — Newslinger talk 13:20, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger, I think that's probably fair and I don't think it would result in a filing much more complicated than what is already here. -- asilvering (talk) 13:56, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- On second thought, it may be easier to waive the two-editor scope requirement and expand the scope of this AE request to also include 777network. asilvering, what do you think? — Newslinger talk 13:20, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Hogshine's primary reply's avoided addressing the new allegations of personal attacks and incivility, instead spending significant effort re-litigating a prior, closed ANI case and your past edits, which demonstrates a failure to constructively engage with the dispute resolution process.
reads like LLM output, especially as it's referring to Historynerd's edits as "your edits". ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:42, 18 December 2025 (UTC)- @Historynerd361, Hogshine, and 777network: As all of you have exhausted your word limits, and the continued discussion has been unhelpful for evaluating this enforcement request, please do not make any further comments here except to answer a direct question from an uninvolved administrator in this section. Thank you. — Newslinger talk 21:42, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- I was approached by an editor about an article 777network had expanded that I eventually deleted at copyright problems (Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2025 November 2), but I believe I'm uninvolved here. At this point everyone needs a break from the topic area; the sheer amount of arguing and accusations I saw on Asilvering's talk page was more than enough when I was reviewing the copyright matter. Enough is enough. I recommend topic bans at this point. Sennecaster (Chat) 07:05, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with ScottishFinnishRadish that Historynerd361 appears to be posting LLM-generated comments in talk page discussions without disclosure. The most obvious example is Historynerd361's comment at 13:07, 27 November 2025, in Talk:Jacob of Edessa § New edits, which not only has signs of being copied-and-pasted, but also included the hallucinated claim: "According to WP:P and WP:PROD, well sourced content should not be removed without a policy-based reason." WP:P redirects to Wikipedia:Portal, and WP:PROD redirects to Wikipedia:Proposed deletion, neither of which are remotely relevant to the discussion. After Hogshine noted the error, Historynerd361 deleted "and WP:PROD" from their comment at 22:57, 29 November 2025, without disclosing the deletion as required by WP:REDACT. "According to WP:P" still remains in the comment as of now.Historynerd361's first piece of evidence is a link to Hogshine's comment at 06:07, 30 November 2025; Historynerd361 pointed out a number of accusations Hogshine made about Historynerd361 (which I intend to take a closer look at later), but omitted that Hogshine said to Historynerd361 in the same comment, "This is what happens when LLM writes your articles for you". The LLM accusation was in response to Historynerd361's comment at 22:56, 29 November 2025, which stated that the content in the Jacob of Edessa article that was deleted in Hogshine's revert at 06:42, 27 November 2025, was supported by excerpts from the source "Syriac and Syrians in the Later Roman Empire: Questions of Identity" (specifically, pages 157–158), as published in The Syriac World by Daniel King. However, the actual citation in the article at the time was pages 157–158 of The Syriac World: In Search of a Forgotten Christianity by Françoise Briquel-Chatonnet and Muriel Debié. The incorrect citation was originally added by 777network at 13:45, 1 November 2025. It is strange that Historynerd361 did not notice the erroneous citation that 777network had added, and instead made an argument referring to the source that 777network had intended to cite. Historynerd361 and 777network provided their reasons for the mistake at 12:33 and 14:56 on 1 December 2025, respectively, but this irregularity warrants further examination.Based solely on Historynerd361's undisclosed use of LLM-generated comments to advance a point of view in the contentious topic, I support an indefinite topic ban of Historynerd361 from WP:GS/ACAS. Alternatively, I also support an indefinite block for Historynerd361, with Historynerd361 being advised that a credible unblock request from Historynerd361 would be more likely to be accepted if Historynerd361 agrees to the following unblock conditions: an indefinite topic ban from WP:GS/ACAS, and a prohibition on using large language models to edit Wikipedia.I intend to share comments focused on Hogshine and 777network after some additional review. — Newslinger talk 22:59, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hogshine frequently fails to focus on content during content disputes on talk pages such as Talk:Michael the Syrian and Talk:Jacob of Edessa, and often makes conduct accusations without adequate substantiation in the discussion, which constitutes casting aspersions. Even if the conduct accusations were true, they must be properly supported by evidence, and they should ideally be presented in a venue that is specifically intended for resolving conduct disputes. It is a violation of the civility policy to tell another editor "Your contributions to this project are minimal" in a content dispute, as Hogshine said to Historynerd361 at 06:07, 30 November 2025, or "If you're going to get emotional with every single disagreement, maybe this place isn't for you", as Hogshine said to 777network at 10:11, 14 November 2025.It was also unconstructive for Hogshine to argue that Historynerd36 and 777network were "gaming the system to rack up edit counts" in content disputes at 06:07, 30 November 2025, and 05:15–05:17, 12 November 2025, respectively, because the conduct complaints were unrelated to the article talk page discussions they were posted in, despite being plausible or true. Historynerd361 did make 26 unconstructive edits in rapid succession to Draft:Beth Aramaye after being warned for violating the extended confirmed restriction (ECR) in WP:GS/KURD (with their deletion of links to the Assyrian people article from 32 articles about Turkish areas), although Historynerd36 claimed in the ANI discussion that they were trying to add a WikiProject template to Draft:Beth Aramaye. A week before that, 777network did make approximately 70 unconstructive date format changes (e.g. to "December 31th, 2011") after being warned for violating ECR in WP:GS/KURD for removing a link to the Assyrian people article (and other instances of the word "Assyrian"/"Assyrians") from the article Dereiçi, Savur (another Turkish area) at
23:24, 10 November 202516:17, 30 October 2025.I am going to pause right here because, at this point, I have seen enough behavioral evidence to believe that Historynerd361 and 777network are engaging in off-wiki coordination (i.e. meatpuppetry). Considering the findings here alongside the behavioral evidence in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wlaak/Archive, as well as 777network's unsuccessful attempt on Wikimedia Commons to restore the version of the File:Flag of the Syriac-Aramaic People.svg image that had previously been reinstated by DavidKaf (talk · contribs), who Wlaak (talk · contribs) is a sockpuppet of, I would group Historynerd361 and 777network with DavidKaf/Wlaak. While Hogshine should receive some type of sanction to curtail his uncivil comments, I support an indefinite block for both Historynerd361 and 777network. — Newslinger talk 19:28, 20 December 2025 (UTC); edited 22:52, 20 December 2025 (UTC)- @777network: Your word limit has been extended to 1,014 words, which provides you with 400 words to address my comments. If you would like to request a larger word limit, please say so. — Newslinger talk 20:46, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- Corrected diff in comment. Courtesy ping to 777network. — Newslinger talk 22:52, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
- @777network: Could you please post the most essential parts of your response (up to 400 words), and then post the remainder in a collapsed format by surrounding it with {{Collapse top}} and {{Collapse bottom}} tags? — Newslinger talk 18:03, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger, just reminding you that the collapse was done as asked. -- asilvering (talk) 08:09, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
- @777network: Could you please post the most essential parts of your response (up to 400 words), and then post the remainder in a collapsed format by surrounding it with {{Collapse top}} and {{Collapse bottom}} tags? — Newslinger talk 18:03, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- I agree that 777network's edit to the Dereiçi, Savur, article at 16:17, 30 October 2025, is not within the scope of WP:GS/KURD, but that is not central to my point. Here, the similarity between 777network and Historynerd361 is how both users made mass edits after they were warned about violating WP:ECR in WP:GS/KURD, regardless of whether the warning was correct. 777network's edits appeared to be made in a hurry: 777network demonstrated knowledge of the correct forms of ordinal numbers in English by using "July 31st", "21st August", "23rd March", and "December 23rd", yet still made other edits with the incorrect forms "December 23th" and "December 31th".In his collapsed comment, Hogshine notes that 777network added a paragraph to the Michael the Syrian article beginning with "Michael the Syrian states that he belongs to the race or nation (umṭo) of the Arameans [...] the preservation of this language demonstrated the historical continuity of the Syrians." at 12:29, 1 November 2025, with the edit summary "Added more information / sources". The same paragraph with identical citation templates had previously been added to the article by DavidKaf (17 September) and added twice by DavidKaf's sockpuppet Devi van velden (12 September, 22 September). Note that DavidKaf's block for sockpuppetry (via Wlaak) expired on 20 December, but DavidKaf is still subject to the indefinite topic ban issued to Wlaak on 14 May. — Newslinger talk 18:15, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
- In summary, my recommendations:
- Historynerd361
- For undisclosed LLM use to advance a point of view in WP:GS/ACAS, an indefinite sitewide block (for which an appeal would be more likely to be accepted with two unblock conditions: a prohibition on using an LLM to edit Wikipedia, and an indefinite topic ban from WP:GS/ACAS)
- For apparent off-wiki coordination, an indefinite sitewide block or an indefinite topic ban from WP:GS/ACAS
- Hogshine
- For making irrelevant or inadequately substantiated negative comments about the conduct of other editors on article talk pages, one of the following: a logged warning, a one-week sitewide block, or an indefinite topic ban from posting comments on article talk pages within the scope of WP:GS/ACAS about the conduct of other editors
- 777network
- For apparent off-wiki coordination, an indefinite sitewide block or an indefinite topic ban from WP:GS/ACAS
- Historynerd361
- This is a panel discussion, so I would like to hear from other reviewing administrators, especially on whether all of the information here is sufficient to establish a finding of off-wiki coordination involving Historynerd361 and 777network. Another option to consider is expanding asilvering's warnings of Hogshine, Historynerd361, and 777network logged in WP:GS/ACAS § Individual sanctions to topic bans from changing and/or discussing changes to identity words under the scope of WP:GS/ACAS, such as "Assyrian", "Chaldean", "Aramean" and "Syriac". — Newslinger talk 18:37, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Sennecaster, your previous comment was supportive of tbans for all, but Newslinger has some more granular sanctions suggested here, what do you think? @ScottishFinnishRadish, any thoughts?
- As for myself, for the past while I've been encouraging these editors to file at AE so they can have someone other than me handling this, so I'd prefer to just stick to an advisory role here. With that in mind, I would warn against changing those logged warnings about changes to identity words to tbans from doing so. From my experience following up on those warnings, I still think they were a useful first step, but I think the tban would be messy to enforce with these editors in particular and would come close to being a tban from the entire topic anyway. For what it's worth, I previously gave a warning that was in effect a time-limited topic ban of this nature to Wlaak and Surayeproject3, and both editors handled it well. Regarding off-wiki co-ordination, it's been my position since the first Wlaak SPI that there is obviously canvassing going on in consensus discussions like AfDs. No comment on whether these two editors, specifically, are improperly co-ordinating their efforts. -- asilvering (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
- Indef Historynerd361 for the LLM usage (I don't know if that can be an AE action, but I think that could probably be done as an individual admin action with the unblock condition being set by the Unblocks admins? If they commit to not using LLMs I think they could definitely be a productive editor outside of ACAS). Give 777network and Historynerd361 topic bans from WP:GS/ACAS.
- Hogshine's incivility has been an ongoing issue for longer than these diffs show - they are fundamentally unable to talk about issues other editors have without serious unsubstantiated claims, incivility, or repeatedly trying to persuade asilvering that something was a violation of the logged warning that they handed out earlier. (
Edit: also, like every other one I've come across, this edit is wholly AI-generated.
[43]) (You have twice already broken the rule to which you tried framing me for,
[44]) (everything at User talk:Asilvering/Archive 27#Another vio). I'm not sure what the right solution is here between the ones you've proposed, Newslinger, but at the very least, I don't think Hogshine is capable of interacting with anyone that isn't on "their side", whatever it may be, in a productive manner. They were told almost two months ago to change their approach to ACAS, and they haven't. The chances of them acting like they have in what Newslinger has found and what I have seen on asilvering's talk page to someone fresh coming into ACAS is pretty high it seems. At the very least, if they're not topic banned here, at the next instance of incivility they're either getting a block or a topic ban to go see if they can be collaborative in less heated topic areas. Sennecaster (Chat) 01:46, 30 December 2025 (UTC) - I didn't look into this in much detail, I just wanted to provide my weather eye on the LLM issue ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:50, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hogshine frequently fails to focus on content during content disputes on talk pages such as Talk:Michael the Syrian and Talk:Jacob of Edessa, and often makes conduct accusations without adequate substantiation in the discussion, which constitutes casting aspersions. Even if the conduct accusations were true, they must be properly supported by evidence, and they should ideally be presented in a venue that is specifically intended for resolving conduct disputes. It is a violation of the civility policy to tell another editor "Your contributions to this project are minimal" in a content dispute, as Hogshine said to Historynerd361 at 06:07, 30 November 2025, or "If you're going to get emotional with every single disagreement, maybe this place isn't for you", as Hogshine said to 777network at 10:11, 14 November 2025.It was also unconstructive for Hogshine to argue that Historynerd36 and 777network were "gaming the system to rack up edit counts" in content disputes at 06:07, 30 November 2025, and 05:15–05:17, 12 November 2025, respectively, because the conduct complaints were unrelated to the article talk page discussions they were posted in, despite being plausible or true. Historynerd361 did make 26 unconstructive edits in rapid succession to Draft:Beth Aramaye after being warned for violating the extended confirmed restriction (ECR) in WP:GS/KURD (with their deletion of links to the Assyrian people article from 32 articles about Turkish areas), although Historynerd36 claimed in the ANI discussion that they were trying to add a WikiProject template to Draft:Beth Aramaye. A week before that, 777network did make approximately 70 unconstructive date format changes (e.g. to "December 31th, 2011") after being warned for violating ECR in WP:GS/KURD for removing a link to the Assyrian people article (and other instances of the word "Assyrian"/"Assyrians") from the article Dereiçi, Savur (another Turkish area) at
Iskandar323
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Comments in this thread are restricted because an administrator has placed this enforcement request under an Arbitration Enforcement participation restriction (AEPR). Comments violating the restriction may be moderated or removed and may result in sanction of the commenting user. Further information on the scope of the restriction is available at WP:AEPR.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Iskandar323
Despite an indefinite ARBPIA topic ban (and a year long ARBPIA topic ban before that), multiple warnings, and a prior block, the editor has continued to participate in pages and discussions within the ARBPIA scope. Attempts to raise these issues on the editor's talk page have been reverted. A recent two-week site block has not resulted in improved compliance.
Discussion concerning Iskandar323Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Iskandar323I don't know this editor, and aside from in relation to their unsolicited messages on my talk page, I haven't interacted with them in the slightest. Their filing is therefore more than a little bit concerning in its intensity and the time it presumably took to research and compose. I'm also not sure why they have posted a litany of items from before my latest block, which obviously were known about and factored in at the time of that block. There are exactly two items of any bearing on content after that: 13 and 14. Point number 13 involves an incredibly academic dispute about whether the Dome of the Rock is a mosque or a shrine. If there is a political or ARBPIA-related angle to this then its not a dispute I'm familiar with. The page has no ARBPIA template, and presumably if a page as old as this had ever had any bearing on an ARBPIA-related dispute historically, it would have been templated up in a second. As to what the ARBPIA twist could be on the mosque/shrine dispute is, I haven't the foggiest. The dispute was initially instigated in this thread, in which the OP makes fairly clear that they believe it to be a Sunni-Shia variance. Point number 14 involves the recent mass shooting. It is templated for its relationship to the Syrian war and Isil CTOP(s), nothing else. I have engaged solely on talk on the matters of WP:BLPNAME in relation to naming the intervening bystander and, separately, on noting the provisions of MOS:TERRORIST in an informal discussion on the title where familiarity with the NC appeared lacking. The OP doesn't appear to have pointed to any specific diff that strays into ARBPIA space, so much as waved their hand at the whole un-templated page. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:43, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Cdjp1On point 14, while I would consider the article to fall into the area due to Netanyahu's comments and their inclusion, per Admin comments, it is only that sentence about Netanyahu that is part of PIA, and not the article as a whole. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 16:30, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Butterscotch BelugaI agree that 2 & 10 were clearly against the topic ban & they should've known better with 8/9, but I'm unsure if edits that were borderline related & subsequently self-reverted like 4 should be held too harshly against them. Also 5 was a warning by Alaskan wildlife fan, a sockpuppet of NoCal100 & 12 needs some context. As Cdjp1 has already noted, it's been clarified that their participation is allowed as long as they don't touch any WP:PIA content & I think your reasoning that the whole page falls under WP:PIA is a stretch. This clarification was also made before you left your comment, so I don't see a problem with it's removal. I do think that the admins have shown quite a lot of good will to Iskandar323 for such a contentious topic & I hope they internalize that they've already been walking on thin ice. If this concludes in only a warning, know this will almost definitely be your last chance. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 18:18, 18 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by TarnishedPath2025 Bondi Beach shooting is not WP:ARBPIA related as is made clear in the discussion which @Metropolitan90 started at Talk:2025 Bondi Beach shooting/Archive 2#"Active arbitration remedies". TarnishedPathtalk 22:08, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
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Statement by Sean.hoylandExcuse me for responding to Nehushtani here, (and the "an article that the main page clearly says it is included in ARBPIA" statements from BlookyNapsta), but just to clarify, the protection status of a page and/or the presence or absence of a WP:BLUELOCK icon, doesn't tell you anything about whether a page is within scope of WP:ARBECR. It's the presence of the talk page template that does that (along with some common sense hopefully). Or you can look at the Talk page categories. You can see the current-ish protection status for the topic area here. Dome of the Rock seems like it should have the Talk page template with relatedcontent=yes or section=yes. Whether something is a violation would presumably depend on whether it addressed content or a matter within scope i.e. relatedcontent. The diff cited looks like it may be out of scope. But maybe there were other edits to that article. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:58, 19 December 2025 (UTC) Regarding off-wiki collaboration, I don't think that is necessary to explain things like the AE pattern, and since it is almost never provable, it's not a testable idea in practice. The case against this editor, for example, has already been adjudicated in social media and the media where people do not need to play the civility game. That's probably enough to explain all sorts of things that happen on-wiki. And the decisions made here or at ARCA will be fed back into that system by partisan actors, and the cycle continues. As for suspicions of a filer's motives, I think asking the question "Why do you care?" is useful because preventing weaponization of systems is useful. Why a filer turned over a particular rock when the topic area has thousands of rocks of all varieties, should probably matter because many people seem to believe that they can steer the topic area in preferred directions by targeting and removing specific actors. That is the lie that has been told, over, and over again, and many people seem to believe it. As for trying to do complicated things like deciding whether something is a) "a pattern of editing in the history of Judaism", and b) whether something is "just outside of the topic ban", and c) whether a pattern shows "an Israel-Palestine related POV being pushed" (outside of the topic area as defined by our templating system), wouldn't it be better to just have simple violation tests? Is there a prominent global or local 'no smoking" sign that the person could reasonably be expected to see and comply with? Without simple tests, I think there is a risk that Wikipedia strays into the see-the-pattern-you-want-to-see territory preferred by the clouds of partisan actors that surround Wikipedia. Sean.hoyland (talk) 03:22, 20 December 2025 (UTC) The filer's account has been globally locked. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:17, 27 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by The KipNo comment on the actual case, but - @Black Kite:, I'd be more sympathetic to that perspective if the prior two complaints you allege to be offsite collaboration/AE weaponization had ended with a consensus that they were weak and/or baseless complaints not worthy of substantial measures against the accused party. There's been multiple past instances of this, such as here, or here (albeit before the user's ARCA-imposed tban). However, both ended with clear consensus that misconduct did take place, with the first resulting in a two-week block and the second an indefinite tban. I don't think that suspicions of a filer's motives should act as a blanket get-out-of-jail-free card for an accused party who's actually acted poorly unless those suspicions are proven extremely quickly, and even then, it's debatable. The Kip (contribs) 19:34, 19 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by Levivich
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Discussion concerning AvidanalystStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by AvidanalystThe dispute is concerning the inclusion of an infobox that was inaccurate and contained false information, including false number of deaths and an unsourced list of perpetrators, along with irrelevant content out of the scope of the article. I have explained these concerns multiple times over the article's talk page [54], [55], [56], [57], [58]. However, instead of addressing these concerns, TryKid (along with Jībanmṛta) repeatedly reinstated the contentious infobox without any consensus, which also appears to be obvious violations of WP:BLPCRIME, [59], [60], [61]. The accusation of misrepresentation of source in this report is quite visibly false given the lack of any proper evidence or explanation, which makes it a violation of WP:NPA. While I'm willing to assume good faith and dismiss this report as TryKid's inability to either understand my posts on the talk page or wikipedia's policies in general, I'm more inclined to perceive the report as part of a long pattern of WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior as multiple editors have noted before,[62], [63], [64] [65]. However, instead of working on his conducts, TryKid's response has been to ignore the suggestions and continue the same problematic behaviour. An editor has also noted TryKid's inadequate grasp on English language and a reluctance to "check on evidence when presented", which suggests a possible WP:CIR issue. This makes this report a strong case for a WP:BOOMERANG. Avidanalyst (talk) 02:44, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by GotitbroConcerning that Avidanalyst continues to EW at 2025 Bangladesh anti-Hindu violence than engage in discussion (even after this AE), further hightened by the fact that the statement above addresses none of their own conduct. Interesting that a recent account can handily cite relatively obscure P&G such as BOOMERANG, CIR, BATTLEGROUND etc. despite barely any edits beyond those related to the July Revolution (Bangladesh) topic. The problem with Bangladesh-related articles amid the recent unrest appears to be much more larger (this AE and the problem was first brought to my attention here) and there is a reason the recent CT/SA sanctions were enacted to cover the country (and South Asia), the conduct/behaviour shown before and after the AE appears to squarely fall under it. Gotitbro (talk) 03:16, 24 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by CoffeeCrumbsThis seems an over-complicated filing that could be dealt with rather simply instead of taking a great deal of AE's time. I see this as topic as clearly part of WP:CT/SA which would mean that Avidanalyst has no business editing (except for uncontroversial edit requests) anything related to this topic until they have extended-confirmed rights. As far as I can tell, every single edit made by this editor post-warning is about this topic area. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 10:56, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by The Bushranger@CoffeeCrumbs: Based on my recent ARCA question on if elections fall under the 'political parties' part of SASG/GSCASTE broadly construed, and the consensus of the arbitrators being 'no', I'd believe that this also does not fall under SASG/GSCASTE broadly construed, but am of course open to being contradicted by the arbs! Note that Avidanalyist has an ANI thread open on this subject. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:02, 24 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Avidanalyst
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Multiple users have given warnings not to edit in the topic area at this point:
don't know if Wikipedia:IGNORANCE can be plead, but some of these vios are possibly borderline. the three warnings feels excessive enough anyone would have reported by now, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluethricecreamman (talk • contribs)
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Discussion concerning StopRejectingMyUsernameStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by StopRejectingMyUsernamePlease note that at no point is the quality or even tone of the editing I did on the Brown University shooting entry questioned. Everything I wrote in the paragraph highlighted by the user above reflects exactly what the numerous sources I cited say happened. A Palestinian student was the target of false accusations possibly over his ethnicity (as his lawyers have argued), and one of the accusers falsely presented one of the Brown University shooter's victims as Jewish and a supporter of Israel. Is writing this enough to drag me here and demand punishment? Neither the article nor the Talk Page gives any indication that they are under ARBPIA. In an arbitration case created a few days before, and which we can still read on this page as of this moment, several users note not even the article about the Bondi Beach shooting is covered by ARBPIA. How could anyone possibly assume that the entry on the Brown University shooting, further removed as it is from the geopolitics of the Middle East, is part of these restrictions? I don't know if this is enough to defend myself; but I had to get out of bed at 2 AM to respond to the case presented above, and at the moment it's the best I can do. I've already created several pages about violence and fake news originating from the far-right in other countries, such as Brazil and France, and except for one time, when one of my articles cited the first name of an alleged murderer who has not yet been convicted, none of the content I produced was deemed inappropriate by anyone (and that flaw has long since been remedied). My interest in the ordeal of the Palestinian student is a natural continuation of my previous forays into political topics, which never resulted in any warnings. This case doesn't even involve any geopolitical actor, such as the Israeli government, so it seems even more excessive to say that ARBPIA applies here and to want to punish me for what I wrote.
Statement by The KipThis edit is identical to the one linked below by asilvering, and actually happened before that one, meaning they actually committed multiple XC violations. At least in my view, the edit summary also has a sprinkle of WP:RGW, which needless to say does not generally vibe well with the ARBPIA area. The Kip (contribs) 06:36, 24 December 2025 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning StopRejectingMyUsername
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Notified at 19:47, 10 November 2025
I could have added a lot more earlier diffs starting with them originally adding constantly unreferenced content before continuing to add lots and lots of badly referenced content, but figured a few examples would be sufficient especially with the 20 diff limit in mind.
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Afus199620
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- Hemiauchenia (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:17, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
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- Afus199620 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Editing_of_Biographies_of_Living_Persons#Final_decision
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- 15:47, 3 January 2025 Creates article on German Businesswoman Nicole Junkermann, with a section solely dedicated to highlighting her relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, sourced to a conspiracy book (see [68] [69] for details)
- 22:38, 21 January 2025 Adds content from said conspiracy book that serves as serious BLP-violating innuendo towards the subject.
- 15:44, 24 December 2025 Restores Epstein-related content to the article despite reasonable objection on BLP grounds
- 10:55, 30 December 2025 Admits to making the article to highlight the subject's relationship with Epstein, stating that
The fact that a person with connections to Jeffrey Epstein (which go deeper than described here) has access to sensitive data in the British healthcare system should be in the public interest.
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None that I am aware of.
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A discussion at BLPN in December 2025 found that the content related to Epstein in Junkermann's bio was undue, see Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Nicole_Junkermann.
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Statement by Afus199620
I clearly made the revert before the BLP discussion. If a source is classified as unreliable, I accept that. At that point, there were differing opinions on this, and we had a minor edit war on the Junkerman page over this topic.
I didn't say that I created the page to highlight the connection between Junkerman and Epstein. I only said that it is relevant and should be included in the article. This also applies to other people; for example, there is a separate article on the relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. The Bill Gates article also has a section about Epstein.--Afus199620 (talk) 17:57, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
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- The edit Afus199620 restored was challenged on grounds of being poorly sourced. WP:BLPRESTORE is imperative to follow, and as the material was already challenged once, the revert was improper. I am also not impressed by the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS justification presented here as to why they believe Junkermann should have a section on an alleged connection to Jeffery Epstein. The two articles mentioned have extensive sourcing to reliable sources, which the section in Junkermann did not have. Afus's AFD comment is particularly of relevance for me for this thread, as this occurred after the discussion at BLPN and repeated challenges from multiple other editors on its inclusion. I'll wait for other admins to chime in, as I'm not sure what exactly should be done here, but at minimum I'm seeing multiple parts of the BLP policy being violated with just a few comments (not understanding WP:BLPRS, WP:BLPSPS, WP:BALANCE). Sennecaster (Chat) 21:13, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
IOHANNVSVERVS
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Edit warring at Weaponization of antisemitism: On December 15, IOHANNVSVERVS BOLDly moved a subsection to a different section: [70]. I reverted him that day: [71]. No Talk page discussion took place after that.
Then, on December 30, he restored his earlier edit, with this edit description: The section "Charges of weaponization by the far-right" is not an example of weaponizing antisemitism. Not sure if it belongs in Responses but please do not restore this to the Examples section
: [72]. To my understanding, restoring one's contested BOLD change without even initiating discussion, let alone achieving consensus, is edit-warring. An edit description insisting on no further reversions does not replace consensus. I asked him to self-revert once, in response to which he said Did you read my edit summary? "The section "Charges of weaponization by the far-right" is not an example of weaponizing antisemitism. Not sure if it belongs in Responses but please do not restore this to the Examples section."
. I repeated myself, because "see my edit description in which I insist that I am right and no further reversions should be made" is not a replacement for consensus, and he responded asking what section I would like the material to be moved to. Again, I repeated myself, saying that a discussion can take place after he self-reverts, and he replied: Well, if I self-revert it would be putting the content in a section it doesn't belong in. So what would be the point of that?
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IOHANNVSVERVS knows what edit-warring is and knows that one who wants to make an already-contested change to an article has a responsibility to achieve consensus for that change before restoring it, as he told Boutboul the day before he edit-warred this material: Special:PermanentLink/1330095603#Terminology section
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Statement by IOHANNVSVERVS
This is not a reasonable report. There is no actual issue here and the content dispute is not significant or contentious. If Zanahary engaged in discussion with me we would have already resolved this.
But when I asked Zanahary if they had seen my edit summary which explained its rationale, they said: "Yeah, I did, and you don’t have consensus, so you need to self-revert and seek consensus. Why haven’t you yet?"[74]
When I asked Zanahary "What section would you like to put the content in?" (which is what the content dispute is regarding) they replied: "Stop hijacking the consensus process. You don’t edit-war first and seek input later. Revert yourself and then a discussion can happen."[75]
I generally try to follow BRD but lately with regards to Zanahary's frequent and unreasonable reversions I often just revert them back. In most (all?) cases where they've been reverting me or demanding that I self-revert, consensus has ended up being in support of my position.
Unfortunately, in my opinion this user is very unreasonable in general and difficult to negotiate with, and I believe the majority of the editors who have engaged with Zanahary at the talkpage at the article 'weaponization of antisemitism' would agree that they are a disruptive presence there. I personally believe a 0RR for Zanahary at that article would be the best thing that could happen here for everyone involved. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 13:49, 31 December 2025 (UTC) Minorly edited 14:03, 31 December 2025 (UTC) and 14:42, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
- To add to my statement that "In most (all?) cases where they've been reverting me or demanding that I self-revert, consensus has ended up being in support of my position." - A good recent example of this can be seen where Zanahary made a quick enforcement request asking for a thoroughly well sourced edit of mine to be reverted.[76] They were told that "there is talk page discussion, which doesn't seem to be going your way. [...] No, I see no violations of the agreed-upon set of behavioral and editorial practices; that the editor does not wish to self-revert is not a violation."
- Here too is evidence of Zanahary's unreasonableness; they were told only a few weeks ago at this very noticeboard "that the editor does not wish to self-revert is not a violation", and yet here we are again. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 14:19, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't realize I had violated 1RR as pointed out by Nehushtani and I have self-reverted.[77] IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:34, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
- Pinging @Drmies. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 22:27, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Nehushtani
No comment on the merits of the complaint itself, but IOHANNVSVERVS appears to have violated 1RR at the page in question.
- First revert 10:07, 30 December 2025 (partial revert of this edit from the day before, in that they removed a catagory that was added in this edit) and 10:21, 30 December 2025 (reverting - as mentioned in the complaint - of the paragraph in question back into the responses section). These two edits are consecutive, so they count as only one.
- Second revert 12:24, 30 December 2025 (revert of this). Nehushtani (talk) 17:48, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
Statement by Aquillion
There's obviously a dispute there but it seems to consist of about two or three reverts each, total, and people are now discussing the content in a way that seems likely to reach a consensus of some sort; this is wildly premature. And it is a fact that Zanahary has reverted IOHANNVSVERVS with extremely minimal communication, largely starting with a focus on procedure rather than content - I'm particularly bothered by Zanahary's statement in [78] that Revert yourself and then a discussion can happen
- no, that's... not how BRD is supposed to work. BRD is meant to encourage discussion, not to serve as an impediment to it! Like yeah, sure, reverting a revert is not ideal but editors are supposed to be trying to reach a consensus and compromises on disputes, not fixating on procedure, and especially not insisting that procedure be settled before meaningful discussion can even begin.
And Zanahary isn't even correct about the procedure! BRD is good practice but is in fact optional. Enforced BRD was specifically rejected by ArbCom for this topic area - and with good reason, I think, since it can encourage status-quo stonewalling and can derail consensus-building into arguments over process. That certainly doesn't make IOHANNVSVERVS' rush to revert ideal but absent a larger pattern the relatively brief exchange here isn't a matter for AE, especially given that, first, I think Zanahary's own initial responses can reasonably be described as less-than-ideal heel-dragging when it comes to actually substantive discussion; and second, that discussion is now happening and seems likely to be productive. --Aquillion (talk) 07:12, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
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