Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samia Shahid (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Death of Samia Shahid. (non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 07:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Samia Shahid

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Now that there is a separate Murder of Samia Shahid article, I would like to bring the WP:BIO1E argument again. Most of the "keep" arguments in the prior deletion discussion seemed to support the notability of her murder, but there does not seem to be enough coverage available to write a balanced, standalone article that is about Shahid as a whole (e.g. her history and impact as a beautician), not just the circumstances of her death. I recommend a redirect to Murder of Samia Shahid outcome. Mz7 (talk) 02:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Samia Shahid article is created almost a month earlier than Murder of Samia Shahid. I don't know Wiki Policy about such an issue. it is a second nomination. I think the article created afterwards should be merged with this article. Sneha Hurrain (talk) 09:31, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article created afterwards is an accepted draft.--115.167.70.196 (talk) 13:02, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Snehahurrain: The issue is that the two articles are, in fact, different subjects. One is about the event of her murder—combining information about the perpetrators, the crime itself, and the aftermath—and the other is a biography about Shahid as a person. The murder might be notable as a result of significant coverage in reliable sources (the general notability guideline), but the overwhelming majority of the coverage about Shahid is about her death. The event of her murder has received significant coverage, but not Shahid's life as a whole. I could accept merging this article to Murder of Samia Shahid as well. Mz7 (talk) 13:51, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge this stub with Murder of Samia Shahid. Her life is not notable but her murder is.--115.167.70.196 (talk) 13:02, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, this arguably WP:ONEEVENT, does not require two articles, suggest a merge of this into Murder of Samia Shahid as the prime subject (WP:NOTMEMORIAL may also apply}. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Murder of Samia Shahid, as is our usual structure for such articles. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect. We certainly don't need two articles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:45, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I don't have a strong opinion here, but I will say that "murder" is a tricky word. It has a specific legal meaning, and considering that we have listed an accused perpetrator on that page, we could face a BLP issue should that person be convicted of a homicide crime that is not murder. I also understand that we use common language here, and not technical legal terms. I just wanted to bring that to folks' attention before we decided on a name for the page. agtx 15:08, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Agtx: This is an excellent point. I would support moving the article something like Death of Samia Shahid ~~after this AfD concludes~~. I used "murder" here since it is the current article title. Mz7 (talk) 02:46, 29 September 2016 (UTC) On second thought, since BLP is involved, I would support the move right now. Mz7 (talk) 02:47, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that if this turns out to be all true, then it is a heinous crime. If the perpetrator is eventually convicted of murder, then the page should absolutely be titled as such. agtx 16:23, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have moved Murder of Samia Shahid to Death of Samia Shahid per above. Mz7 (talk) 14:19, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.