Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas Masson

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:28, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Masson

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Reference state he is not a principle. second ref states: Nicholas Masson is thrilled to "Seize the Day" in his Broadway National Tour debut as MUSH.

I don't think he is notable quite yet.

I think the article doesn't satisfy WP:Artist and fails WP:BIO. scope_creep (talk) 12:43, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:57, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep. I believe this is just a case of applying the wrong notability guidelines. WP:ARTIST does not apply to actors. WP:NACTOR does. Subject's role in a multiple Tony-award winning, Broadway touring production, of a Disney-produced show, is sufficiently notable in itself. Equally notable, subject also appears in the same role in the feature film[1]. Subject also currently stars in Disney Cruise Line's live musical show[2]. Article also features subject's RS coverage in Broadway World, Broadway Connection, the Internet Broadway Database and Playbill and local coverage[3]. It should also most likely include reviews from the 65 cities the subject appeared in during his show's multi-year run.[4]. Per the article, the subject has also performed in another notable touring production[5]. Also notable, per NACTOR, subject also has thousands of followers on social media.[6],[7]. So I think subject's notability is pretty clearly and easily established. Not just with NACTOR, but he also passes WP:BIO generally, and WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO, specifically. So I think the nominator should withdraw this nom under speedy keep. X4n6 (talk) 08:38, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per X4n6. Hang googles (talk) 10:51, 17 December 2016 (UTC)User is now CU-banned[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:35, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Reference 1. The musical filmed on stage. IMDB although not a ref, similar to ref 1, which is ticket page, DOES NOT list him, as he is not a primary player. 2. An Instagram page. Says he is a main stage performer, not a lead or a Star nor a guest lead or star. 3. States he as made his Broadway introduction, a Broadway newcomer is the first sentence. 4. Isn't valid as it doesn't mention his name. 5. This is a blog and invalid, although it points to the fact he is a newcomer. 6 and 7. You assert he has a big following on social media. A big following is considered above 200-250,000+ people. That is the established number on Twitch, Spotify, Instagram, LinkedIn and Twitter. On Instagram he has 9 1/2 thousand followers. On Twitter he has around 2500. So it all points to him being a newbie, starting out. As regards the Tony Award winning show. Notability is not conferred nor inherited. He doesn't pass WP:NACTOR and he fails to assert WP:BIO. I truly think at some point he will be in here. But not at the moment. scope_creep (talk) 11:30, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and I meant to comment sooner, I concur with the nomination since the analysis above and my own shoe it to be too trivial and none of it establishes the substance actually needed. To specify, the links simply consisted of announcements and mentions, yet the Keep labels then as "significant" and also the cited "notabilities" are in fact suggested notability guidelines, not policy; with this said, WP:NOT is our policy here and it explicitly states we are not IMDb, therefore since nothing else was significantly shown to be substantial, Delete (sources themselves never actually focused with him let alone lend actual convincing). SwisterTwister talk 08:23, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am concerned that the only objections I see, are based on either incorrect assumptions/conclusions, misinformation, or misinterpretation of policy. For example, perhaps the nominator can explain, for our purposes, what difference it makes if a movie is filmed on a stage or a soundstage, if it has a theatrical release in movie theatres? Regarding IMDB, the current entry also does not list the director, producers, musical director, cinematographer or any crew or post-production. That just means the current IMDB entry is incomplete. However, he is listed there now. Besides, the official website also lists subject and his character name. So the claim that he is not a "primary player" is disproved by the official source - which, since it's Disney, is reliable and conclusive. Their link: Meet the cast and creative team proves the subject plays one of the principal roles. Also the Instagram/Twitter pages only approximate social media followers. But as the nominator originally misapplied WP:ARTIST here, which does not apply to actors, the nominator does not seem to understand WP:NACTOR, which does and subject clearly passes. Subject's extended body of work on a Broadway national tour; a prior national tour; an upcoming feature film; and current touring engagement, all of which are reliably sourced in the article, combine to easily satisfy NACTOR#1. While subject's thousands of social media followers and the thousands of likes subject generates with each post, by definition, constitutes a "cult following," per NACTOR#2. Subject also satisfies NACTOR#3, in that it is both unique and prolific to have a two-year run in the same role in a major Broadway national touring production, and then to reprise it in a Disney-produced feature film. Subject's current coverage already surpasses WP:BIO and WP:BASIC. The fact that, as a cast member, the subject shared in Tony Award nominations and other awards and is listed in the historical record of this production, also satisfies WP:ANYBIO. So not only is there no basis for deletion now, but even if there were, it would most likely evaporate following the additional coverage subject will receive upon the release of his upcoming film. Finally, it appears to have been ignored that this article is a WP:STUB. The threshold for deletion of stubs is "little verifiable information, or if its subject has no apparent notability." Neither of which apply. X4n6 (talk) 13:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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