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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 16:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Corruption in Pakistan

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This article started off as nothing more than a partisan screed and was quickly prod'ed. A well-meaning editor has tried to clean it up, but in the process has left an article that says nothing. I would redirect it to Pakistan, but there is no useful content to merge to the main article, and the main article does not contain a "Corruption" section. I believe that leaving this article to be expanded would just invite more partisan bickering. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The topic is notable and the current content is a stub which seems easy to expand in accordance with our editing policy. I shall provide a further demonstration. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:59, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as all this will wind up being is a laundry list of criticisms of Pakistan. Corruption exists in every nation of the world, but I fail to see the topic itself as worthy of an article. There are no doubt many sources that will tell stories of corruption in Pakistan, as Warden is no doubt preparing to regurgitate into the article as we speak. But sourcing isn't the issue here; giving undue weight to critics is. Tarc (talk) 13:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Politics of Pakistan. I agree with User:Tarc in that "corruption exists in every nation of the world". However, the meager amount of information in the article can be merged into a larger article instead of deleted. Guoguo12--Talk--  14:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There are other similar pages, such as "Corruption in India" - clearly this article is not good enough at the moment and requires much more work and preferably some additional sources, but the subject matter is notable and there are similar articles already established. Ashman05 (talk) 14:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per Guoguo12; I originally seconded the prod when this was nothing more than POV, but with some information a merge to a larger article is best to keep this from becoming a political bickering ground and keep the sourced info. This definitely has potential, but would be best suited to inclusion in a main article for now. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 14:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete This article seems to be similar to the history section of the Pakistan article. I don't think any info could be taken from this article and merged into the Pakistan article. However there are 3 good sources that could be used in the Pakistan article if nothing else! I'm Flightx52 and I approve this message 19:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Read the results of this study by Transparency International:
  • General government: "Bribery has become so much part of the system that in all the seven sectors under study the demand was directly made by the office / person involved, a negotiator or middleman was hardly needed."
  • Public utilities: "Corruption was faced even after obtaining [electrical utility service] by 96% respondents. Billing department employees & Meter readers appeared to be the most involved persons. Corruption in billing has two aspects. Consumers also tries to adjust their bills through illegal means & on the other side inflated bills are made deliberately to harass the consumers."
  • Taxation: "With the exception of two respondents, the remaining 254 remembered some sort of corruption being faced, tax officer appeared to be the most involved. 32% had paid for the reduction of tax assessed. Nearly 14% said that their assessment was absolutely fictitious, and they had to pay bribery for proper adjustment."
  • Public hospitals: "Obtaining of medicines appeared to be the most corrupt area. Health staff such as Dispensers, Technicians even Sweepers were mentioned as the main actors of corruption by 65% respondents, 24% mentioned about the Doctors also being involved. All respondents were of the opinion that without tips & gifts no attention was given and this sort of bribery is exhorted as a normal process. On an average Rs.905 was spent as bribery per respondent."
  • Public education: "The experience of 70% respondents for admission has not been of fair practice, 42% said that some sort of donation was made compulsory prior to admission, followed by usage of influential relative or friend i.e sifarish."
  • Courts: "96% faced some sort of corrupt practice by the court officials & clerks. Even witness demanded money for appearance. Judges have also been quoted to take bribe. One respondent said he paid One Lac in a murder case to the judiciary."
Corrupt public utilities. Corrupt hospitals. Corrupt colleges. Corrupt courts. There's no way you can describe all of this in Politics of Pakistan.   — C M B J   00:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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