Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cesare Toraldo

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The result was Withdrawn‎ based on Beannie's new sourcing and there being no outstanding delete !votes. FOARP (talk) 10:55, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cesare Toraldo

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Mass created article by Lugnuts. Fails WP:NSPORT due to the lack of any significant coverage in independent, reliable sources being cited in the article (or the corresponding IT WP article) or found in my WP:BEFORE search.

De'prodded by BeannieFan11 with the comment "being recipient of the highest honor for Italian sportspeople as well as a seven-time world championship medalist indicates notability". With all due respect to Beannie, none of this is a reason to keep this article within our PAGs. The Golden Collar is an award given out to roughly a hundred or more people each year, with coverage of it typically just being a listing of all the names (see, e.g., this 2017 report from the Italian Olympic Committee's website) so there's no reason to believe it would have generated significant coverage, particularly since Toraldo received it in 2019 and if it had generated such coverage, it would be available online.

As for being a "seven-time world championship medalist" this is only if you count team events. Toraldo does not inherent the notability of his team. FOARP (talk) 14:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Sportspeople, Olympics, and Italy. ZyphorianNexus ^Talk 14:18, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

:Delete: My research shows him mentioned in passing, but nothing specifically about him that seems like it'd count as significant coverage--even if it didn't seem mostly routine. I didn't take a too-deep look into Italian-language sources, but I did try my best to make sure I wasn't overlooking anything obvious. They didn't seem to have anything of note to say either. ShyAndroid (talk) 00:27, 24 January 2025 (UTC) Keep, I think? I can't read the sources that have been introduced by @BeanieFan11:, so this isn't a super sure response, but I think that it seems like enough from a purely 'number of sources' perspective. I tried my best, but I'm glad someone looked a little harder than I did at Italian-language coverage. ShyAndroid (talk) 06:08, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Highly accomplished (with numerous world championship medals and the highest honor for sportspeople in Italy) and passes WP:GNG, see for example the two-column "Toraldo, the race for gold" from l'Unita, "Toraldo makes you dream" from Il Piccolo di Trieste, "Toraldo wins in swimming" from the same, "Two birds with one stone" from Multisport Magazine, and even modern coverage such as "Cesare Toraldo, pentathlete in the myth, but without victory" from il Fatto Nisseno. There's also almost certainly going to be further coverage in other Italian newspapers of the time. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:26, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources provided by BeanieFan11 show sufficient coverage of the subject to meet GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 05:22, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @ShyAndroid: in case they would like to change their !vote. JTtheOG (talk) 05:24, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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