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Prose?

If you have time over the next week or so, could you please clean up my prose on Pittsburgh Town? While it pass GA, I don't think the wording flows well enough for the plus sign --Guerillero | My Talk 21:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Happy to! Check in with me during daytime hours tomorrow if you're around; this old brain can sometimes use a reminder poke to get going on things. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 23:24, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
@Guerillero: Copyedit done! There were some spots where I need your clarification on what you meant; I left inline hidden comments in those spots asking what I need to know. Please check those over when you get a chance and either correct the text or let me know what you meant so I can correct it. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 14:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 May 2013

Nominations closed last Friday for the three community-elected seats on the Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) ten-member Board of Trustees—the ultimate corporate authority of the worldwide WMF. The Board has influential roles and responsibilities over one of the most powerful global information sources on the Internet.
This week, we traveled to WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome. The project was started in May 2006 and has 37 featured articles.
On 16 May, the Spanish Wikipedia became the seventh Wikipedia to cross the million article Rubicon, a symbolic yet important achievement.
Salon.com published another article detailing the ongoing incidents with Wikipedia user Qworty, who has identified himself as Robert Clark Young. It documents Qworty's role in the controversy involving Amanda Filipacchi's op-ed, which kindled a debate on Wikipedia sexism as it relates to categories, where Qworty was responsible for a series of revenge edits against Filipacchi in the days after she released her op-ed.
Nine articles, six lists, and eight pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.

Thank you. (I guess we'll see what happens in two weeks time!?)
(Please excuse / tolerate my ignorance.) If the vandalism resumes and persists, what are the available options? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

@Pdfpdf: We try to limit protection time when we can, so we'll see if the two weeks is enough time for the vandals to find something else to do. If it isn't and the vandalism returns, you can drop me a note here and I can re-protect for a longer time, or you can ask again at WP:RFPP and another admin will probably do so. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you again! (Most appreciated.) Pdfpdf (talk) 14:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Himesh84

He has used another IP. Please take a serious action — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.245.165.57 (talk) 15:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Used it to do what, and where? A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Same article. See his comments on Himesh84 talk. It is just bellow to your sock puppetry block notification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.245.172.19 (talk) 05:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but those edits on the article don't appear sufficiently distinctive to automatically assume they're Himesh, and his comment on his talk page had to do with reporting me somewhere, not editing the article (and I've yet to figure out where I've supposedly been "reported"). I'm not familiar with the topic area, though, so I'm not prepared to take any leaps of logic. Your best bet might be to open an SPI putting forth the explanation of which IPs are Himesh and how you know, and get the matter dealt with there. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 14:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Appreciate the assistance on the Philadelphia University article. Big Kudos and Thank you Gruganc (talk) 15:56, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Jlcast33

Hi Fluffernutter. I moved your {{welcome-coi}} message from this person's user page to their user talk page. Just seems like a better spot for it. --Drm310 (talk) 18:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Bah, I'm an idiot. Didn't even notice I'd hit the wrong page. Thanks for cleaning up after me! A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk)

Invitation to look at edits on IQ reference chart

I see the article IQ reference chart has been tagged for expert review since October 2012. As part of a process of drafting a revision of that article in my user sandbox, I am contacting all Wikipedians who have edited that article since early 2009 for whom I can find a user talk page.

I have read all the diffs of all the edits committed to the article since the beginning of 2009 (since before I started editing Wikipedia). I see the great majority of edits over that span have been vandalism (often by I.P. editors, presumably teenagers, inserting the names of their classmates in charts of IQ classifications) and reversions of vandalism (sometimes automatically by ClueBot). Just a few editors have referred to and cited published reliable sources on the topic of IQ classification. It is dismaying to see that the number of reliable sources cited in the article has actually declined over the last few years. To help the process of finding reliable sources for articles on psychology and related topics, I have been compiling a source list on intelligence since I became a Wikipedian in 2010, and I invite you to make use of those sources as you revise articles on Wikipedia and to suggest further sources for the source on the talk pages of the source list and its subpages. Because the IQ reference chart article has been tagged as needing expert attention for more than half a year, I have opened discussion on the article's talk page about how to fix the article, and I welcome you to join the discussion. The draft I have in my user sandbox shows my current thinking about a reader-friendly, well sourced way to update and improve the article. I invite your comments and especially your suggestions of reliable sources as the updating process proceeds. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 20:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

blocking me for sock papacy

You blocked me for using sock pupet account to edit Jaffna Kingdom article. I assume you were talking about 61.245.163.44. Next time remember to write it clearer. I was blocked for not accepting "kingdom was established in 1215". For 61.245.163.44 it is uncontroversial. His updates are based on consensus that I was not agreed and so got blocked. What are the similarities you used to conclude himesh = 61.245.163.44 ? The network belongs to Sri Lanka Telecoms which has 3Mn customer base. Any Sri Lankan (me, obi2canibe,.. ) can used that network --Himesh84 (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Yeah, it's pretty obvious that that was you. Fluff, they were at it again, and I just reverted (please see what it was and you'll see the measure of competence). They also left a diatribe on my talk page. I don't what the weather is like in Sri Lanka, but it's thin ice this person is skating on. Drmies (talk) 17:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
    • (edit conflict) Your editing style is fairly distinctive, Himesh, as is your POV and your preferred article version. I would suggest that if you don't wish for administrators to point out that you're editing logged out to evade a block, your first choice should be to not evade that block.

      Speaking of which, I notice that as soon as you returned from this block, you began your edit war again. Might I also suggest that that is a very bad idea that is likely to end with you being blocked yet again? Use the talk page to reach consensus on an issue before editing the article. If consensus doesn't support your version, you have to accept that you can't have your way. Even if consensus does support your version, you're not allowed to edit war over it. If you can't control yourself on that article, you're very quickly going to lose your editing privileges again, as Drmies and I just edit conflicted trying to point out to you. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

      • Yep. Himesh's claim of talk page consensus is specious. I do wish there were more talk page participants there. Thanks Fluffernutter, Drmies (talk) 18:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Helping hand

Hi Fluffernutter, thanks for your edits. I know that Bundy have had chatting with the police about the Green River Killer. What I object is that he didn't help, since Ridgway was caught 17 years after those chats. Maybe he claimed to help. I don't think that "Their interviews with Ted Bundy helped them catch the Green River killer". The source: "Some of Bundy's observations were obvious, Keppel says - predictions investigators already made. Others were sharper, and more precise than a profile developed by the FBI in the early 1980s, when the Green River killings were at their height." This is quite different from real help, imho.

Maybe you can improve the article: you see, my English is far from adequate! :-) --Esarintul (talk) 22:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

@Esarintul: Hmm, ok. Generally, saying "so-and-so helped" means that they offered help, not that they were necessarily instrumental in success, but you make a good point about the way that section was worded - it wasn't clear what, exactly, Bundy had to offer or how much he helped. I've reworded the "helped" claim and smoothed out some of the writing around it - how does this look to you? A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 13:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Very well smoothed! ;-) Thanks! --Pequod76 (talk-ita.esp.eng) 19:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Ops. :D Esarintul was supposed to be an innocent puppet (I mean, nothing improper), but I am too akward to manage more than just my identity... Ok, the experiment has ended! Thanks again. --Pequod76 (talk-ita.esp.eng) 19:53, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 May 2013

Alongside the Signpost's interviews with the Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) Board of Trustees candidates, the Signpost asked the candidates for the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) and its Ombudsperson position a series of questions relating to the positions they may be taking on. For the FDC candidates, this will include specific recommendations to the WMF on how to disburse over US$11 million in donors' funds to affiliate organizations, something which appears to have garnered little attention from the editing community at large so far.
In the continuing saga of User:Qworty's outing as author Robert Clark Young, several blogs and websites covered the now-banned user's anti-Pagan editing. In an article published on 22 May 2013, TechEye described Qworty's edits as a "reign of terror" and were pleased to find that he had not succeeded in removing several prominent Pagan biographies from the encyclopedia.
The elections for the three community seats on the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees start on 8 June. This second and final part of the interview explores two broad themes: Meta, the site that hosts movement-wide coordination; and offline entities—the chapters and the new thematic organisations and user groups.
This week, we plotted out the demarcations of WikiProject Geographical Coordinates, which aims to create a single standard of handling coordinates in Wikipedia articles.
Twelve articles, four lists, and twelve pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
An article in Library Review offers a much-needed comparison of data from a population of editors outside the English Wikipedia.
Second only to the technical track of Wikimania in terms of numbers, the Berlin Hackathon (2009–2012) provided those with an interest in the software that underpins Wikimedia wikis and supports its editors a place to gather, exchange ideas and learn new skills.

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The Signpost: 05 June 2013

I am excited to announce that a Portuguese-language journal, Correio da Wikipédia has been launched by Vitorvicentevalente. It has just published its third edition, and I encourage readers who speak the language to read and contribute to its already-expansive coverage of the Portuguese Wikipedia and the Wikimedia movement.
Five articles, four lists, and thirteen images were promoted to "featured" status this week on the English Wikipedia.
This is mostly a list of requests for comment believed to be active on 4 June 2013 linked from subpages of Wikipedia:RfC or watchlist notices.
On 31 May, the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal and Community Advocacy team announced that the Wikivoyage logo would have to be replaced, because it has become the subject of a cease-and-desist letter from the World Trade Organization (WTO).
An article on TheNextWeb.com says that the Chinese Government has effectively blocked Wikipedia by cutting off access to the HTTP Secure (https) "workaround", almost completely cutting off access to those in China.
This week, we reflect on the anniversary of D-Day by storming the shores of Operation Normandy, a special initiative of WikiProject Military History.
Last week, the Signpost reported on a feeling at the Amsterdam hackathon that Toolserver developers were coming round to the idea of migrating to Wikimedia Labs.

The Signpost: 12 June 2013

Late last year, the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) awarded $8.4 million in donors' money to 11 Wikimedia entities, including the Wikimedia Foundation and 10 nationally defined chapters. Under this arrangement, these organisations are required to issue quarterly reports on how far they have progressed towards their declared programmatic and financial goals. The FDC has now announced that all 11 completed and submitted their reports by the 1 April deadline, and have responded to each.
Seven articles, two lists, five pictures, and one topic were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
In an article published by the Huffington Post's United Kingdom edition, writer Thomas Church asserts that the new VisualEditor will change history, literally. It says that Wikipedia's mark-up language has been to its advantage, as most people didn't bother trying to learn it
I've long thought that we should get rid of the Wikimedia Commons as we know it. Commons has evolved into a project with interests that compete with the needs of the primary users of Commons and the reason it was created. It's also understaffed, which results in poor curation, large administrative backlogs, and poor policy development.
Current discussions on the English Wikipedia.
Last week's most popular article list on the English Wikipedia was dominated by the massively popular TV series Game of Thrones, which claimed six slots in the top 25, including the top three. Its popularity was likely stoked by the most recent episode, The Rains of Castamere. Bollywood continued to increase its share of views as well, aided by the tragic suicide of star Nafisa Khan.
Two cases, Race and politics and Tea Party movement have been suspended. Argentine History remains open, and a proposed decision was posted on 12 June.
This week, we spent some time with WikiProject Computing. Started in October 2003, the project has grown to include 17 featured articles, 11 featured lists, 3 pieces of featured media, and 80 good articles.

The Wikipedia Library now offering accounts from Cochrane Collaboration (sign up!)

The Wikipedia Library gets Wikipedia editors free access to reliable sources that are behind paywalls. Because you are signed on as a medical editor, I thought you'd want to know about our most recent donation from Cochrane Collaboration.

  • Cochrane Collaboration is an independent medical nonprofit organization that conducts systematic reviews of randomized controlled trials of health-care interventions, which it then publishes in the Cochrane Library.
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The Signpost: 19 June 2013

Following last week's op-ed by Gigs ("The Tragedy of Wikipedia's Commons"), the Signpost is carrying two contrary opinions from MichaelMaggs, a bureaucrat on Wikimedia Commons, and Mattbuck, a British Commons administrator.
The season finale of Game of Thrones ensured that the epic high fantasy series would dominate the top 10 again last week; however, it was joined by Maurice Sendak and Man of Steel.
Memeburn.com published an article on the yearning of students in South Africa for free knowledge through Wikipedia Zero.
This week, we visited WikiProject Tennessee, a project dedicate to the state at the geographic and cultural crossroads of the United States.
With erysichton elaborata, the Swedish Wikipedia passed the one million article Rubicon this week. While this is a mostly symbolic achievement, serving as a convenient benchmark with which to gain publicity and attention in an increasingly statistical world, the particular method by which the Swedish site has passed the mark has garnered significant attention—and controversy.
Eleven articles, twelve lists, and eleven pictures were promoted to 'featured' status on the English Wikipedia this week.
A list of current discussions on the English Wikipedia.
The WMF's engineering report for May was published recently on the Wikimedia blog and on the MediaWiki wiki ("friendly" summary version), giving an overview of all Foundation-sponsored technical operations in that month.
Richard Farmbrough was set to have his day in court, but as events transpired, this was not to be so. On 25 March 2013, an accusation was made against Farmbrough at Arbitration Enforcement (AE), claiming that he violated the terms of an automated edit restriction. Within hours, Farmbrough had filed his own request with the arbitration committee, citing the newly filed AE request and claiming that the motion was being used "in an absurd way" in the filing of enforcement requests: "I have not made any edits that a sane person would consider automation."

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The Signpost: 26 June 2013

With most TV shows on hiatus for the summer, attention has turned to movies, celebrity and sports. The dramatic events at the 2013 Confederations Cup drew massive attention, as did summer blockbusters like Man of Steel and World War Z. But the most searched event of the week was the tragic and unexpected death of popular actor James Gandolfini on June 19.
The Daily Dot has examined the perennial controversy over explicit or pornographic media on Commons. This latest salvo was touched off when Russavia uploaded a portrait of Jimmy Wales made by the artist Pricasso, who paints with his genitalia.
A comparative work by T. Yasseri., A. Spoerri, M. Graham and J. Kertész looks at the 100 most controversial topics in 10 language versions of Wikipedia, and tries to make sense of the similarities and differences in these lists.
Less than three days after the close of voting, the volunteer election committee posted the results on Meta. The worldwide Wikimedia movement has elected three WMF trustees for two-year terms on the 10-seat Board: Samuel Klein (supported by 43.5% of voters), Phoebe Ayers (38.3%), and María Sefidari (35.6%). The new trustees will take their seats at a critical time for the movement: one of the first tasks in their terms will be to help the Board to find and approve the new executive director to take up the top job when Sue Gardner departs.
A list of current discussions on the English Wikipedia.
This week, the Signpost interviews Adam Cuerden, a Wikimedian who has been for years gathering featured pictures, and who constantly participates in what could be his favourite part of the project. Cuerden dedicates most of his time to scanning and restoring old, valuable illustrative works. He explains to us how the featured process works, its relation with other parts of the encyclopedia, and how pictures evolve before reaching featured status.
This week, we walked the runway with WikiProject Fashion. Started in March 2007, the project is home to 4 Featured Articles and 41 Good Articles. The project has a lengthy list of how you can help and a list of Article Alerts.
Argentine History was closed. Two cases, Race and politics and Tea Party movement, remain suspended until July.

The Signpost: 03 July 2013

Amy Chozick's profile of Jimmy Wales in the New York Times sparked significant controversy in international news outlets this week. Chozick's profile covered Wales's personal life, including his 12-year-old daughter, ex-wife, and current wife Kate Garvey, describing Wales himself as "a well-groomed version of a person who has been slumped over a computer drinking Yoo-hoo for hours." Chozick described his current role in Wikipedia as "Benevolent Dictator for Life", a statement which garnered conflict from all corners of the web, including from Wales, who responded to the piece as a whole with a lengthy talk page statement.
Four articles, four lists, and fifteen pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia last week.
This week, the Signpost went to the kennel and interviewed WikiProject Dogs. The project has several featured and good articles, along with a large number of "Did you know" entries. We asked three project members about the challenges of creating, curating, and maintaining canine content in an increasingly dog-obsessed world.
The key annual event in the Wikimedia calendar, Wikimania 2013, will be held in Hong Kong in just five weeks' time. Among the events will be a presentation by two people who are working to promote the development of medical content on Wikimedia projects. One is James Heilman of Wiki Project Med, a non-profit dedicated to making "clear, reliable, comprehensive, up-to-date educational resources and information in the biomedical and related social sciences freely available to all people in the language of their choice". The other is Lori Thicke, president of Translators Without Borders (TWB), the Connecticut-based organisation set up in 2010 to provide pro-bono translation services for humanitarian non-profits
Current discussions on the English Wikipedia include...
The VisualEditor extension has gone live by default to registered users on the English Wikipedia, marking a huge milestone in a project that has taken the best part of a decade to reach fruition. The extension was previously described as "the biggest and most important change to our user experience we’ve ever undertaken" by the WMF team behind it.
The real world made a strong showing in the top 10 last week, as news stories such as Yahoo!'s purchase of Tumblr, the murder of Odin Lloyd, the continuing drama over NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and the ill-health of Nelson Mandela crowded out the usual roster of TV shows, movies, websites and video games. Not that they were entirely excluded, of course.
Following a one-month period of moderated discussion, Tea Party movement has been reopened by the Committee. The proposed decisions are currently being voted upon. Race and politics remains suspended pending the return of User:Apostle12.

Talkback

Hello, Fluffernutter. You have new messages at Arctic Kangaroo's talk page.
Message added 15:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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Talkback

Hello, Fluffernutter. You have new messages at Arctic Kangaroo's talk page.
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Hi Fluffernutter, could you help me to block the above user, perhaps indef? I have reported him at WP:AIV, you can go and take a look. He's getting on my nerves with his incivility and arrogance, and partly also because of some issues more than 6 months ago, although I had already forgiven him earlier. Thanks. ✉→Arctic Kangaroo←✎ 15:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for guiding new editors like me and showing them the right path forward. :)

Regards

---$oH4M ❊  আড্ডা  04:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 10 July 2013

This is Wikinews' fundamental problem: it can neither do a good job providing a summary of world news, nor does it have any special focus that it does well. It's a collection of random articles, with only the occasional, passing resemblance to important current events.
This week, we traveled to Cymru with the folks at WikiProject Wales.
The most-viewed articles on the English Wikipedia last week include...
In apparent acknowledgment of the urgency of two issues facing the Wikimedia movement—the need to engage both women and the global south—the WMF Board has appointed Ana Toni as one of its four expert members. Toni will bring rare expertise to the movement, and the Signpost understands that her skills in advocacy and her key roles in international NGOs are likely to be a natural match with the WMF as the hub of disseminating free knowledge around the world.
The fundamental idea of an infobox is clear: keep it simple and limited to essentials. At some point, however, these basic principles seem to have been abandoned, in favour of an approach akin to "the more the merrier".
Five articles, six lists, and ten pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
Current discussions on the English Wikipedia include ...

17:28, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Body and mind

No one is changing anybody's mind here, let's call it a day. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 00:16, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Dear Fluffernutter, I also gladly accept compliments about the beauty of my mind and my body. Drmies (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure they're both utterly delightful and I congratulate you on your efforts in pursuit of them :) I'm sorry that mess came down on your shoulders; I'm perfectly aware you meant no harm to either LoS or the project, but just sort of put your foot in an institutional-level issue that you didn't see coming. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 20:45, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I would normally respect your (Fluffernutter) right to say something, even if I thought it a misinterpretation, except for 3 issues:
  1. Your characterization of Drmies' edit as "making jokes about other users' bodies and how people should praise them (or not praise them)" is deeply unfair (my empahsis added, to highlight the part I felt was particularly unfair, though I object to the entire characterization). Such comments run a great risk of appearing so silly or over the top that they are likely to make others tune you out, and actually harden their position.
  2. Mr "Punch a hole in their windpipe, light them on fire" Ironholds (username linked so he's notified I'm talking about him here) is the last person on the planet in a position to lecture anyone about appropriate ways to address or talk about others; he needs to address his own serious shortcomings first. The fact that he is still on the WMF payroll and an admin here is an order of magnitude much more damaging to any desire to retaining and attract new female editors than Drmies' comment.
  3. And then I remembered something else, googled it, and confirmed it: you're an IRC friend of Ironholds, and evidently participate in sex/body image/joking behavior yourself, which is much more raw than Drmies' (see, for example, meta:IRC/Quotes/archives/2011). So publicly calling out someone else over this is hypocritical. OK for you, just not for others? And please, please don't say "but that was IRC". Stereotypes and hateful talk and behavior get propagated and passed on to new, relatively young editors on IRC too (I saw quite a few such young editors in the IRC logs on Meta). If you actually care about the bigger issue, change your own behavior first.
--Floquenbeam (talk) 23:08, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Floquenbeam, as I've already told you, if you'd like to talk about my behaviour I'm happy to do so, and put that quote (and others) in context. If you're just interested in judging me based on what has been communicated to you, that's your prerogative, but it's not going to be helpful or productive. In the meantime, the fact that I happen to agree with Fluff is not something that has any impact on the validity of her comments. Ironholds (talk) 23:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Er, right, ok Floq. I'm not sure what you mean by your first point - that I was insinuating that Drmies was insulting LoS's attractiveness, and thus misrepresenting him? If so, you've misread. My point was that whether we're praising or insulting a female admin's attractiveness, neither of those would be appropriate for a noticeboard - it is in pretty much no case appropriate to go into the attractiveness of a female editor's body on AN. As for your second point, I'm not really sure why your opinion that Ironholds should be fired has any bearing on my pointing out inappropriate behavior by someone else. And as for your third...well, you're obviously not familiar with Jabberwocky if you think that quoting a poem - a nineteenth century children's nonsense poem - is akin to plunking down on a public noticeboard and talking about how hot I think a fellow editor's body is.

I'm frankly aghast at the level of vitriol that's being directed against me this afternoon for daring to speak up in response to something I found sexually objectifying and inappropriate. I doubt anything I say is going to convince you and some others that I'm not a horrible, horrible censorship nazi who's out to get your right to speak freely about women's bodies wherever and whenever you please, and I'm just disappointed that so many people seem to think the problem here was my daring to contradict Drmies's right to comment on LoS's body, rather than Drmies making a well-intentioned joke that was nonetheless problematic. I doubt it's going to be worthwhile to continue this conversation given your position. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 23:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

As I just said above, I'm not upset that you somehow tried to "censor" Drmies; I never used that word, that's not what I said, it's not what I meant. I object to your description of his entire comment as "making jokes about other users' bodies", and your claim that he is saying people "should" praise, or not praise, them.
Ironholds' participation in that thread is related to your position because (a) you're friends with someone who has done much worse, and I have yet to see any criticism of that; and (b) I suspect the AN thread was brought up on IRC, and that's why he showed up to agree with you so fast.
If you're going to summarize your comments in that IRC log as "quoting a poem", then you're being dishonest, either with yourself, or with me. You obviously know there are several young impressionable editors on that channel, and you were modelling behavior for them that is anathema to what you claim to care about.
Like I said, if someone who was not being hypocritical had brought this up in a reasonable way, I'd have had no objection.
And yes, I suppose refusing to respond is, of course, your prerogative. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
I offer this for a fourth time: if you want to discuss my actions in more detail, I am happy to do so. Until then, it seems unfair to say "based on my understanding of the situation, which I actively refuse to accept additional data into, X and Y and Z are true". Ironholds (talk) 23:53, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
(I would note that I saw the thread because I was browsing AN, not because of anything on IRC. A lot more editors also showed up; to my knowledge there is no Birthday Wishes Cabal, although it'd be a nice project). Ironholds (talk) 23:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 July 2013

This week, we explored the fantasy worlds of video game developer Square Enix by interviewing WikiProject Square Enix. The project began in September 2006 as a spin-off of WikiProject Final Fantasy, but today covers that, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger, and a variety of other game series, with exceptions explained in the interview below. The project is home to 32 pieces of Featured material and 104 Good and A-class articles.
The most-viewed articles on the English Wikipedia last week include...
Last week the Wikimedia Foundation released its annual plan for July 2013 to June 2014. It provides a surprisingly frank view—of past achievements and failures, and future goals and risks—that could be afforded only by a non-profit that is confident and beholden to no commercial or political interests.
Four articles, five lists, and sixteen pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
The case Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds was opened. Voting on the Tea Party movement case continued, after a failed attempt at moderated discussion. A group tasked with deciding the content of the lead section of the Jerusalem article has reported back to the committee. Applications for checkuser and oversight permissions close on 22 July.

fyi

22 Surefire Signs That You’re From New England (see #18) NE Ent 10:34, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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GOCE July 2013 news report

Guild of Copy Editors July 2013 backlog elimination drive mid-drive newsletter
  • Participation: Out of 30 people who have signed up for this drive so far, 18 have participated. If you have signed up for the drive but have not yet participated, it isn't too late. If you haven't signed up for the drive, sign up now!
  • Progress report: Thus far we have reduced the number of May/June 2012 articles to just 124 articles, so we're on the right track. Unfortunately, for the first time in GOCE history, the number of articles in the backlog has actually gone up during this drive. While all participants are currently doing a fine job, we just don't have as many of them as we have had in the past. We have over 500 editors on our mailing list, but only 18 editors who have done a copy edit for the drive. If you're receiving this newsletter, it's because you have an interest in copy editing. Join the drive! Even if you only copy edit one article, it helps. Imagine how much progress we could make if everyone chipped in just one article.

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Sourcing

It's me, MysticSparkles. Hello. I have no idea how to leave a message on someone's Wikipedia. I hope this is the right way. Is this correct? How would I site sources for something like that? In the references section? I see relationship info on many Wikipedias, and I don't notice where sources or proof is required. This info exists and it's true, I can promise you that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MysticSparkles (talkcontribs)

@MysticSparkles: Hi Mystic. When we ask you to cite a source for something, we're basically asking you to find something that proves the fact is true. We only accept certain types of proof; you can read about what we consider "proof" at this page. Basically you have to be able to point to something like a newspaper, magazine, or the person's own website to show that a "reliable source" supports your fact.

Once you have a source for the fact, you have to "cite" it in the article. Ideally, that involves using a sort of complex referencing system, but if that's confusing to you (and it can be!), it could be something as basic as typing "According to [newspaper name]'s article [article name] on [date], blah blah blah". If you can find it online, you should include a link to the source by typing [http://www.website.com/sourcepage] (so if, for example, you were going to use People Magazine's website to prove that Kate Middleton is in labor, you might type [http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20395222_20715784,00.html] as the link for your source). That way, other people can easily verify that the source you're using says that.

Hope this information helps! You may want to look into joining The Teahouse if you want to get into editing Wikipedia; the people there are really great at helping new users get their bearings. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:58, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'll see how I can work the references in. MysticSparkles (talk) 18:13, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Cemani

Sorry, but there is no cemani village in indonesia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kangwira (talkcontribs) 07:54, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 July 2013

The Washington Post reported Tuesday on the most controversial articles on various language Wikipedias as determined by a cross-continental research group.
This week, the Signpost delved into the vast and complex areas of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that make up religion. WikiProject Religion has been around since 2005 and has a complex scope, in that it only takes articles that deal with religion in a non-sectarian sense, along with any articles that do not have a dedicated daughter project.
Current discussions on the English Wikipedia include...
Contributors to Wikivoyage, the sister project adopted by the Wikimedia Foundation last year, are celebrating their 10th anniversary this week. ... The Wikimedia Foundation has announced via press release that it has partnered with Aircel to provide free mobile access to Wikipedia.
Death hangs over the top 10 this week, as tragic deaths both past and present continued to cast their pall over an already troubled world. The death of Corey Monteith led to a spike in interest in the man himself, his girlfriend and co-star Lea Michele, and the show that made them both famous, Glee.
Twelve articles, seven lists, and eight pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
The case Infoboxes was opened. The evidence phase continues in Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds. Voting on the proposed decision continues in the Tea Party movement case.

I will be doing the review for this article (The GA Bot should have notified you, but I think it is offline). The review page can be found Here, Best of luck :) Prabash.Akmeemana 03:16, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sharon Kinne

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Sharon Kinne you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by GA bot, on behalf of Prabash.A -- Prabash.A (talk) 03:18, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I'm reaching out to you because you're listed as a member of WP:CO-OP. I'm currently working on behalf of the Center for Copyright Information to make some updates to their article. Because of my financial COI, I posted a request over at Paid Editor Help hoping to find someone to take a look, but as of yet, it doesn't look like anyone's had time. Could you take a look at the note I posted at PEH and see if you'd be willing to help? Thanks! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 21:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

@ChrisPond: I'll try to take a look if I get some time, but my scheduling is very scattershot for the next few months and I'm hesitant to lead you to think you can rely on my availability when you probably can't. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for letting me know. If you have time, I'd certainly appreciate it, but if you don't, you don't! Do you have any ideas about who else I might reach out to? I'm feeling a bit stymied in terms of locating someone to help out. Cheers, ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 19:54, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi again, and never mind! I was able to find another editor to take a look, and this is now  Done. Thanks! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 14:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

20:39, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sharon Kinne

The article Sharon Kinne you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sharon Kinne for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by GA bot, on behalf of Prabash.A -- Prabash.A (talk) 20:48, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Corrections

This edit seems to have messed up 29 seperate signatures. You might wish to check this in future, was it with the Visual Editor?--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 00:09, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, crap. I did check how the page looked after I saved it to make sure I didn't break anything, but it didn't even occur to me that I might have broken internal signature bits. And it wasn't even a VE edit! It was probably a copy-paste screwup on my end - to cut down on edit conflicts I pasted the wikicode into a text editor, changed it, and then pasted it back, and it looks like perhaps my text editor choked on the unicode. I'll go through now and straighten out what I can in the sigs. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 13:27, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

For your edit to that user's talk page...yeah...had removed it earlier but it hadn't "stuck". Another thing... In the course of my research on the unauthorized survey, came across this website: [36] which would indicate that their username could be considered problematic... Shearonink (talk) 16:48, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 July 2013

One of the narratives I've heard a lot is that Wikipedia is unable to change, that it's too stagnant, too poorly resourced, too inherently resistant to change. I don't believe that at all.
An ArXiv preprint titled "Highlighting entanglement of cultures via ranking of multilingual Wikipedia articles" is about the Wikipedia articles on individuals and their position in the hyperlink network of the articles in each Wikipedia language edition, considering the whole hyperlink network.
Somewhat predictably, the birth of a new heir to the House of Windsor on 22 July led the English-speaking world to suddenly embrace Monarchism. In honour of this occasion, the Traffic report will be assiduously employing British spelling and dating conventions. Cheers.
This week, we visited the Turkish Wikipedia for an interview with VikiProje Siyaset (WikiProject Politics). The project began in April 2010 and has sustained a small but enthusiastic group of editors focusing on both the domestic politics of Turkey and international politics. The basics for article quality and importance ratings have been determined, but tracking this data has not yet become widespread on the Turkish Wikipedia. The project maintains a portal, a variety of resources, and a rotating selection of images to spruce up the project's page.
The ninth annual Wikimania conference will open in just over a week at the Jockey Club Auditorium, the Hong Kong Polytechnic University. Wikimania is for people worldwide who have an interest in Wikimedia Foundation projects. It features presentations and discussions on those projects, on free knowledge and content, and on related social and technical issues.
The case Race and politics was closed, while three other cases remain open.
Eight articles, five lists, seven pictures, and one topic were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
Current discussions on the English Wikipedia this week include...

My recent edits

I guess you are right about you deleting my information. I just wanted to show people what I'm like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HoshiNoKaabii2000 (talkcontribs) 15:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Fluffernutter. You have new messages at NuclearWarfare's talk page.
Message added 09:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--Forward Unto Dawn 09:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 07 August 2013

Fourteen editors have been proposed for a six-month page ban in the Tea Party movement case. In the Infoboxes and Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds cases, the workshop and evidence phases have closed, and proposed decisions are scheduled to be posted.
It's crickets and tumbleweeds this week, as the top 10 sees its lowest view-count since the project began. If Wikipedia were selling anything, we'd be having a fire sale by now.
The opening days of the annual Wikimania, referred to as the "pre-conference", are not typically newsworthy. This changed dramatically when the Chapters Association council met on Thursday.
This week, we journey into a WikiProject that focuses about what keeps Wikipedia running, the freedom of speech.
The week's newest featured content includes...
Recent discussions on the English Wikipedia include...

GOCE July 2013 copy edit drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors July 2013 backlog elimination drive wrap-up newsletter

We have completed our July backlog elimination drive.

The drive wrap-up newsletter is now ready for review.

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The Signpost: 14 August 2013

About a thousand Wikimedians journeyed to Hong Kong this week for the annual Wikimania conference, the annual gathering of the Wikimedia movement. Wikimania, which has been held since 2005, serves as the principal physical meetup for Wikimedians around the world.
One major story that came out of Wikimania was Jimmy Wales' statements at the conference that he would prefer to have Wikipedia banned entirely in mainland China than censored as it is currently.
The week's newest featured content includes seven articles, four lists, and twelve pictures.
Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia and its public face to most of the media, has declared that media organizations are missing out on the "opportunity of the century" by not conducting true investigative reporting into American surveillance practices, a debate kindled by information leaked by Edward Snowden.
Recent discussions on the English Wikipedia include...
The Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds case has closed, with a unanimous decision to desysop a Wikimedia Foundation employee and indefinitely ban another editor. The Tea Party movement case has stalled yet again, in the wake of a controversial proposal to ban 14 editors. A proposed decision in the Infoboxes case was scheduled to be posted on 14 August.

19:50, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

GOCE Blitz wrap-up and September 2013 drive invitation

Guild of Copy Editors August Blitz wrap-up

Participation: Out of sixteen people who signed up for this blitz, nine copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: During the seven-day blitz, we removed 26 articles from the requests queue. Hope to see you at the September drive in a few days! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Torchiest, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95 and The Utahraptor.

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The Signpost: 21 August 2013

Wikipedia's gender identity MOS section and its effect on Chelsea Manning was both praised and emulated in the media this week. ... Coverage of the distributed open collaborative course called "Storming Wikipedia" continued this week.
98 registered participants attended the annual WikiSym+OpenSym conference from August 5-7 at Hong Kong's Cyberport facility.
This week, we secured free admission for WikiProject Amusement Parks, the project dedicated to amusement rides, roller coasters, theme parks, traveling carnivals, and funfairs.
The debt that Wikipedia owes sites like Reddit or Google often goes unacknowledged around here. If the purpose of Wikipedia is to bring knowledge to the world, then it is sites like these that are actually doing it.
The 2013 WikiCup competition is entering its final round. Eleven articles and nine pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM), Wikimedia's annual volunteer-driven and the world largest photo contest, is gearing up to be conducted throughout September 2013. The event, originally developed in the Netherlands in 2010, has gone global with 34 countries taking part last and 49 this year.
Wikipedia's traditional image gallery format, produced by the markup, has remained largely unchanged for years. The resulting layout, seen below, does not adapt well to variations in image size, and has been characterized by some critics as aesthetically unappealing.

The Signpost: 28 August 2013

Wikipedia's gender identity MOS section and its effect on Chelsea Manning was both praised and emulated in the media this week. ... Coverage of the distributed open collaborative course called "Storming Wikipedia" continued this week.
98 registered participants attended the annual WikiSym+OpenSym conference from August 5-7 at Hong Kong's Cyberport facility.
This week, we secured free admission for WikiProject Amusement Parks, the project dedicated to amusement rides, roller coasters, theme parks, traveling carnivals, and funfairs.
The debt that Wikipedia owes sites like Reddit or Google often goes unacknowledged around here. If the purpose of Wikipedia is to bring knowledge to the world, then it is sites like these that are actually doing it.
The 2013 WikiCup competition is entering its final round. Eleven articles and nine pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM), Wikimedia's annual volunteer-driven and the world largest photo contest, is gearing up to be conducted throughout September 2013. The event, originally developed in the Netherlands in 2010, has gone global with 34 countries taking part last and 49 this year.
Wikipedia's traditional image gallery format, produced by the markup, has remained largely unchanged for years. The resulting layout, seen below, does not adapt well to variations in image size, and has been characterized by some critics as aesthetically unappealing.

Article Feedback Tool update

Hey Fluffernutter. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 22:05, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Could you hide this edit

Irn-bru had an offensive edit made, just wondering could you rev delete it? Cheers. Murry1975 (talk) 16:03, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Murry. I'm not sure that edit rises to the level of needing revdeletion. It appears to be stupid, immature vandalism, but whether it rises to the level of "grossly insulting or degrading" is debatable, and since it doesn't name a particular person I lean slightly toward not removing it from the history. I would have no prejudice toward you running the matter past another admin, however, to see if they have a stronger opinion either way and want to make the decision.

As a side note, it's generally best to not request or draw attention to revdelete and oversight requests onwiki. You can always direct these requests privately to the oversight team at oversight-en-wp(at)wikipedia.org or to online administrators using the IRC channel #wikipedia-en-revdel. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Cheers for that Fluffernutter. Just it seems only one person complained so in essence its directed at only one person. But I trust your opinion and experience, so I will leave it be. Murry1975 (talk) 16:20, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Your revdel on User talk:DGG

I noticed you revdel'd the username that made an edit on User talk:DGG, but the edit after his contained the username in the edit summary. Can you revdel that summary as well? Thanks, Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:08, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Argh. That content leaked out around so many edges that I missed some. Now cleaned up, and thanks for the reminder. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 21:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 September 2013

After media praise for Wikipedia's decision to move the Bradley Manning article to Chelsea Manning, the reversion of that page move on August 31, after a discussion in which several hundred Wikipedians participated, has so far triggered less favourable feedback, as well as a blog post from Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Sue Gardner expressing her disappointment with the decision.
On September 3, the Wikimedia Foundation launched the second stage of the process to improve the privacy policy implemented on most Wikimedia sites, including Wikipedia and its sister projects, by publishing a policy draft.
A news-heavy week offers some insight, perhaps, into humanity's priorities.
As mentioned in "In the news" on Wikipedia's main page, the Library of Birmingham in the United Kingdom has opened. This interior photo was taken a week before opening. The article reports that the library "has been described as the largest public library in the United Kingdom, the largest public cultural space in Europe, and the largest regional library in Europe."
Four articles, four lists, and eight pictures were promoted to 'featured' status this week on the English Wikipedia
This week, we spent some time with the minds behind WikiProject Psychology. The project was created in March 2006 and has grown to include 14 Featured Articles and 43 Good Articles.
The dispute over the title for the Manning article escalated quickly to arbitration levels, as the Bradley/Chelsea Manning naming dispute case was accepted for arbitration.
In this week's "Technology report", we explore ways of making Wikipedia more accessible to users of screen readers. Graham87 is a highly active contributor who is also blind and accesses the site through a screen reader.

The Signpost: 11 September 2013

'The National Law Journal reported on September 9 that lawyer Susan L. Burke has been taking legal steps to discover the identity of Wikipedia editor . Zujua had edited her biography, allegedly adding misleading content about various lawsuits in the process
The Signpost went to Indonesia this week.
Four articles, eight lists, and eight pictures were promoted to "featured" status this week on the English Wikipedia.
The deadline for proposals to the Individual Engagement Grants (IEG) volunteer committee on Meta will pass on 30 September. The program is designed to fund projects that tackle long-term problem and have a significant editing community impact; it has previously supported solutions like The Wikipedia Library, which improves Wikipedian access to online reference sources like JSTOR (see Signpost coverage).
While the Syrian Civil War crept its slow way into the minds of the public, with a new fourth related entry in the top 25, the top 10 remained dominated by celebrity, mainly sports and music. Two megabucks transfers stimulated public interest in football/soccer ahead of the 2014 FIFA World Cup qualifiers, while Lil Wayne's public apology ahead of his latest album release sent him to the top.
Discussion over the Manning title dispute was off to a running start as evidence and workshop phases continued in the Bradley/Chelsea Manning naming dispute. The Infoboxes case closed with topic bans for two users, and a recommendation for community discussion of infoboxes.

September 16th Prank

I just received a prank message saying I edited something on Return to the Forbidden Planet. I have never heard of it in my whole life, and what you did is not funny, it's annoying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.123.160.74 (talk) 23:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The message wasn't a prank. Either you or someone else using your IP address edited that page. You can see evidence of that here. To avoid messages meant for other people, you can create an account to edit from. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:41, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Well the message must've been some mistake, but whoever did that edit had good reason, the s word was there by mistake.64.123.160.74 (talk) 00:51, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

That edit didn't fix the "mistake," it added it, and Fluffernutter fixed it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:56, 17 September 2013 (UTC)