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tell me/us how to comment

You ask for comments but it is not at all clear how to/where to make comments. OldCoder (talk) 15:10, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

regarding 'advice'

I told "them" that you guys would not let my story (Urban Science) live - only took you a few minutes to find it. Impressive! ("unsourced personal anecdote"). If you want citations, I'd be happy to sign my real name (Gary Huckabone), email address, whatever. But it's not clear how to do so.

As for the Shapefile complaint - if you understood anything about GIS or ESRI shapefiles, you would see that my effort there is a link to allow people to read such files. It's a link to a page for reading shape files. If that's advertising, well, then what is not advertising?

Oh, you can produce an entire page for Urban Science but if I try to give some people free help with shape files that's advertising. OldCoder (talk) 15:20, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi OldCoder. If you had followed the links in the note I left you, you would have found a page describing our reliable sourcing guidelines (for your convenience, here's that link again: reliable sources) that explains what constitutes a reliable source. You, your friend, or I are not reliable sources. Peer-reviewed or editorially-controlled news or scientific sources are. For this reason, "Someone I know says that X totally happened" isn't content we can accept on Wikipedia, no matter how sure you are that it's true. Even if you know, with 100% of your whole heart and mind, that it's god's honest truth and feel you need to share it with the world. If, on the other hand, you had available to you something like, "Per the Wall Street Journal (X/Y/2013 edition), Z happened", where a reliable source (there's that term again!) addressed the issue you want to add to Wikipedia, that would be something that was supported by a reliable source and could be used in a Wikipedia article. So unfortunately, it appears that in this case, if the "citation" is "OldCoder says so", the content you wish to add is not supportable with a reliable source and thus can't be allowed in a Wikipedia article.

As far as "shapefile", I see that you have edited that article, but I have no idea what you're talking about other than that. Whatever happened with/to/about you there, I had no involvement in it and am not going to be of any use helping you figure out whatever it is you want to do there. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 October 2013

The next twice-yearly round of Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) grantmaking is soon to close for community questioning and commentary. Ten nation-based Wikimedia chapters and one thematic organisation are asking for a total of more than US$5M of donors’ money from the Foundation’s renamed annual plan grant process. Aside from Wikimedia UK ($708k), the three biggest asks are from the German-speaking chapters: Wikimedia Germany is asking for $2.4M and Wikimedia Austria $311k; and the German-language-related Swiss chapter is applying for $500k.
Media, sports and Google Doodles dominate, though a very odd fish decided to crash the party.
Twelve articles, four lists, and four pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week, including the article on cabbage.
Current discussions on the English Wikipedia include...
MIT Technology Review published a long article on what it called "The decline of Wikipedia". Editor involvement has decreased since 2007; according to the article, this has had an adverse qualitative effect on content, particularly on issues pertinent to non-British and American male geeks.
This week, we headed to an elementary subject with WikiProject Elements. Founded by Mav in 2002, this project has grown to have 19 featured articles, 2 featured topics, and 68 good articles. The project also has a list of templates, and a periodic table of elements filled with pictures.

GOCE Blitz wrap-up; join us for the November drive

Guild of Copy Editors October Blitz wrap-up

Participation: Out of eleven people who signed up for this blitz, eight copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: During the seven-day blitz, we copy edited 42 articles from WikiProject Film's backlog, reducing it by a net of 34 articles. Hope to see you at the November drive in a few days! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Torchiest, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95 and The Utahraptor.

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Tech News: 2013-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

  • The "Toolbox" section in the site sidebar is now called "Tools" in English. You can do the same in your language by editing the interface text on translatewiki.net. Someone else may have already done it. [1]

VisualEditor news

  • On wikis with VisualEditor, you can now use it on pages in the File, Help and Category spaces. [2]

Problems

  • On October 22 (UTC), an error in the site settings caused *.wikimedia.org sites (like Meta-Wiki and Commons) to redirect to wikimediafoundation.org for a few hours. [3]

Future

  • MediaWiki 1.23wmf1 was added to test wikis on October 24. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on October 28 and all Wikipedia wikis on October 31 (calendar).
  • In the next days, servers in San Francisco will start providing (cached) content to users located in Oceania. If you are in that area and notice problems, please tell us. [4]
  • You will soon be able to test new features easily using the "Beta Features" view. VisualEditor will be in the list on sites where it works and isn't automatically enabled. Another example is a set of changes in the article text style.

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09:41, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

PP at Chelsea

Hi, What's your reasoning for protecting the article from all non-admins instead of waiting for either of the two involved editors to exceed 3rr and then taking action against that editor? --Bob K31416 (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

There were more than two people involved in reverting each other on the article recently, with multiple disputes poking their heads up. In a case like that, I feel that more good is accomplished by forcing all of the users to discussion pages than by playing whac-a-mole with individual users. The goal here is to make everyone hash out their issues somewhere other than on the article itself, not to lurk around until I can pounce and block someone. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:57, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. --Bob K31416 (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

Hi! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
-- 19:54, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


You are in a maze of twisty articles, all different --GraemeL (talk) 21:20, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Aw, and I just managed to break the Adventure partway through. So much for discovering the orc's gold at the end of the maze! A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


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The Signpost: 30 October 2013

The top 10 encapsulates the history of human aviation; at #1, a Google Doodle celebrating the 216th anniversary of the first parachute jump; at #10, the enduringly popular scifi film Gravity, a paean to human spaceflight. It's odd to think it's taken us 200 years to travel about that many miles up.
While giving a speech on behalf of a gubernatorial candidate, Paul advocated his pro-life position, and compared allowing unrestricted abortions to the film Gattaca. He went on to use strikingly similar language and phraseology in his speech to what the Wikipedia page reads. The Washington Post's article conceded that Wikipedia is a widely used source for trivial information, but mocked the fact that a politician would view it as a reliable source.
In January we raised several potentially troublesome issues for the Wikimedia movement in taking on Wikivoyage, including the apparent inadequacy of the English Wikivoyage sex-tourism policy, hurriedly strengthened against mention of child sex after our inquiries. However, both sex-tourism and illegal-activities policies remain equivocal about how the site should treat entries about sex tourism more generally, and drugs that are classed as illicit in almost every country. Yet the Signpost has found it remarkably easy to locate material in Wikivoyage that violates both the spirit and the letter of the policies.
This year's WikiCup competition has finished, while three articles, five lists, and six pictures, were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia last week.
Laura Stein, a researcher at the University of Texas at Austin, has concluded that, based on her comparison of user policy documents (including the Terms of Service) of YouTube, Facebook and Wikipedia, Wikipedia offers the highest level of participation power overall.
With Halloween, the Day of the Dead, and other gloomy celebrations this week, we're taking a look at Wikipedia's dead and dying. For some dead WikiProjects, the sole purpose of their life was simply to serve as a warning to others. Some of these projects may still be salvageable, but for most, a revival is unlikely. Here are some projects that never got off the ground and the lessons that can be gleaned from their follies

Tech News: 2013-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

  • The style and colors for warning boxes, error messages, and success messages in all skins of MediaWiki has been changed. [5]

VisualEditor news

  • You will soon be able to switch from editing in VisualEditor to editing wikitext directly without having to save the page. You can't yet switch from wikitext to VisualEditor but developers hope to make it possible in the future. [6]

Problems

  • There was a problem on October 31 during the activation of MediaWiki 1.22wmf2 on test wikis. mediawiki.org was also broken, and if you had problems logging in, it was probably because of this as well.

Future

  • Because of the problem with MediaWiki 1.22wmf2, the calendar has changed. It will be added to mediawiki.org and non-Wikipedia sites on November 4, and all Wikipedia sites on November 7.

JavaScript / Gadget developers

  • Due to a recent change, gadgets and user scripts that use jQuery UI should explicitly load the appropriate modules, as they may not be loaded by default. [7]
  • Developers have started to remove long-deprecated methods. You should check the JavaScript console (in debug=true mode) and look for deprecation warnings and their stack trace. [8]

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10:30, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much

Thank you for your BLP help with page Steven G. Kaplan, much appreciated, — Cirt (talk) 01:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

No problem, Cirt. Since it looks to be an LTA situation, please feel free to give me a poke if you see it leaking out, on that article or anywhere else, in the future. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 03:04, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, sounds good, — Cirt (talk) 03:21, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Song of encouragement

I can't do what you request above, missing people (click on "'tis") and caught in absurd situations (click on "season"), but did you know ...

Bringing Grace Sherwood to the Main page on Halloween after "she" was rejected as TFA, that went well, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 November 2013

As part of the second major "outing" controversy to hit the English Wikipedia in less than a year, the Chelsea/Bradley Manning naming dispute was dragged into the spotlight yet again when the English Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee ruled by motion to remove the administrator tools from and ban long-time Wikipedia contributor Phil Sandifer.
It's fair to say that commemorating death was a strong theme this week, with Lou Reed's passing generating interest, as well as a Google Doodle celebrating the costume designer Edith Head. And of course, the world's greatest celebrations of the dead, Halloween and the Day of the Dead, were also popular this week.
HMS Hood, one of the most famous warships of the Second World War, was a battlecruiser and therefore part of what is now the largest featured topic on Wikipedia: "Battlecruisers of the world". The topic was promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia last week alongside eleven articles, three lists, four pictures, and two other topics.
This week, we spent some time with WikiProject Accessibility, a project that strives to make Wikipedia accessible for users with disabilities. The project improves Wikipedia's guidelines and Manual of Style, collects useful templates and scripts, and provides support to impaired Wikipedians.
The Ebionites 3 case has closed with an interaction ban for the two editors involved in the dispute.
Current discussions on the English Wikipedia include...

A question

Is it reasonable to ask for a second opinion about - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/METAL_ROY_STONE&offset=&limit=500&target=METAL+ROY+STONE ?

I'm not sure the image uploads have scope, but would like a second opinionSfan00 IMG (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sfan00 IMG. I'm pretty much useless when it comes to image policy - my strategy when I need to deal with it is generally "go find someone who has a clue and ask them for help" - so unfortunately I'm going to be of no use to you in figuring this out. To name someone who might be able to help completely off the top of my head, though, I know that DragonflySixtyseven works with newly uploaded images sometimes. Perhaps he or one of the admin noticeboards can help you? A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:29, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Fluffernutter. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron - Rescue list.
Message added 04:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

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Tech News: 2013-45

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

  • You can now use the "Autonym" font of the Universal Language Selector (ULS) to display the name of languages (for example in navigation templates) in their correct script. To do this, add the CSS class "autonym" to the elements that include language names. Note that this font only works for the name of languages, not for any other text. [9]

Problems

  • There was a problem with Parsoid (the program used by VisualEditor to convert wikitext to annotated HTML) on November 4, between 19:40 and 20:40 (UTC). Encoding issues caused non-ASCII characters (including those with diacritics, like "é") to be broken when converted to wikitext and saved to the page. [10]

Future

  • The Beta Features tool is now available on Commons and Meta-Wiki. With it, you can test new features before they're added for everyone. The plan is to add this tool to all wikis on November 21. [11]
  • MediaWiki 1.23wmf3 was added to test wikis on November 7. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on November 12 and all Wikipedia wikis on November 14 (calendar). [12]
  • The MassMessage tool will be added to all wikis on November 14. It will make it simpler to send messages across wikis. [13]
  • The button of the Search page will soon be changed to be blue and bigger (see the difference). [14]
  • You will soon be able to add a page name as parameter for {{REVISIONID}}, {{REVISIONUSER}} and {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} and similar functions, by writing for example {{REVISIONID:Apple}}. [15]
  • In the future, when you hide a CentralNotice banner on a wiki, it will also be hidden on other Wikimedia sites. [16]

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13:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Precious

gnome
Thank you, tireless tired wikignome, for quality articles such as Sharon Kinne, for contributing under extreme conditions, for fighting vandalism and copyvio, for educating editors to contribute constructively, and for looking for the good around here part of which you are yourself, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

+1. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

From gnome to gnome: what do you think of the little icon to show "ready to do cleanup work"? (Top of my user, I copied from here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
It's cute! A little bit of a different art style than things like the GA cross, but then, gnomes have a different editing style compared to people who edit in big flourishes, too. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 14:46, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Flow Newsletter - November 14

Hi. This is a brief note to let you know about an update to the Main FAQ (the addition of a large table of Components of the discussion system), and also to specifically request your feedback on two items: our sandbox release plan, and a draft of the new contributors survey. We look forward to reading your input on these or other topics - Flow can only get better with your ideas! –Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:54, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

AFD tag

Hello, Fluffernutter. You fully protected Murder of Elsie Lie. Since I have nominated it for deletion, could you tag it, please? Thanks, Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 01:13, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Done. In the future it might be easier if you wait until the protection expires to nominate something for deletion, at least in cases like this where the protection is extremely short-term. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 01:22, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Oversight

I see you suppressed one of my edit summaries. Could you please explain to me what that was about? Feel free to send me an e-mail about it with the edit summary and what you think was wrong with it. I am having a hard time thinking of how anything I said would warrant such severe actions.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 00:46, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not suppressed, just revision deleted as a BLP violation. Using an edit summary to share your personal opinion on a living person's culpability in someone's death isn't appropriate. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 00:51, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
You made a comment elsewhere about the material needing to be suppressed, so I guess I took it that way given that you have oversight privileges. Could you please e-mail me the edit summary so I can review it? I barely even recall what I said.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 01:04, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Email sent. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 01:11, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
I see what you are saying now. *sigh* Though, I will say it wasn't so much about expressing my opinion on the case as it was about addressing the objection to the word "murder" being used. Probably could have phrased it so that it wasn't alleging that he was likely culpable, but I suppose I understand why you removed it.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 01:47, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

editing through full protection?

Hey Fluff - any idea why I was able to make this edit? The log is making it look like the protection hasn't expired yet, and it's otherwise showing as protected for me, but it looks like I can edit the page without +sysop. Thanks, Kevin Gorman (talk) 05:42, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

The protection actually expired about two hours before you made that edit (it was only a three-hour protection). If the log was saying it was still protected at that point, something must have gone wonky on the log's end rather than the protection's end. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 06:57, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

response to note

Thanks for letting me know about GSD5 in more detail. I overlooked the fact that they must have created the article while blocked... slap me with a trout if you want. :) Tritario (talk) 14:00, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 November 2013

The numbers this week are beyond anything that has been seen since this report began. The top view count beats the average by an order of magnitude. Usually the appearance of numbers this big on the list is due to spamming, but in this case it seems they are due to honest interest; more specifically, Google Doodles, which for the first time claimed all five top slots. This column has raised numerous times the power of a Google Doodle to shine light on Wikipedia, but the wattage has never been as high as this.
Five articles, two lists, one topic, and nine pictures were promoted to 'featured' status on the English Wikipedia last week.
The supporting staff of the Wikimedia Foundation’s powerful volunteer Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) have released their assessments for the third half-yearly round of funding applications. The applications for the newly named annual plan grants were submitted by affiliated entities on 1 October, and comprise a total of more than US$5M in bids.
The Italian-language Wikipedia community has overwhelmingly voted to request the Wikimedia Foundation's assistance in recovering wikipedia.it, a website that has been frequently confused with the Italian Wikipedia.
This week, we followed the intricate storylines of WikiProject Soap Operas.
Current discussions on the English Wikipedia include...

Tech News: 2013-46

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • There was a problem caused by too many requests to the database on November 14. [17]

Future

  • MediaWiki 1.23wmf4 was added to test wikis on November 14. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on November 19 and all Wikipedia wikis on November 21 (calendar).
  • The new Search tool (CirrusSearch) will be added to *.wikimedia.org, Wikimania and Wikisource wikis on November 19, and Wiktionary wikis on November 21 (except where it's already available). Once it is added, you can test it by adding &srbackend=CirrusSearch to the address of the search results page. It will become the main search engine on Wikivoyage wikis on November 21. [18]
  • The MassMessage tool will be added to all wikis on November 19 instead of November 14. It will make it simpler to send messages across wikis. [19]

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08:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you made a mistake

The SPI says "is possible they are DeFacto". The user page says "is a sock puppet of DeFacto". They can't both be right. The same for User:Ex-Stanley if you will correct them please. 212.183.128.65 (talk) 22:16, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

What's your interest in the matter? A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 22:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Honesty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.65 (talk) 22:21, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I think you're digging in the wrong spot for that. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Why not correct the clear mistakes? Do you condone the mistaken statements on the user pages? Will you allow me to correct them now I've shown why they are wrong? 212.183.128.65 (talk) 22:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
There is no "clear mistake" here, though I do wonder how much of a mistake it is for you to be showing a large amount of concern over which of DeFacto's socks are labelled how. I think you should find something completely unrelated to sock tagging to edit for as long as you remain unblocked. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Is it frowned upon then to correct apparent mistakes on Wikipedia? Those statements are clearly misleading, they make a statement for which there is NO evidence in the SPI. I think they need fixing - one way or the other. Do you disagree? Can you change them to say something like "This account is possibly a sock puppet of DeFacto..." then? 212.183.128.65 (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I'll have to leave it between you and your conscience anyway, as I've got to go back on duty now. You have the power to make Wikipedia a little bit more accurate and a little bit less misleading - grasp it, eh? 212.183.128.65 (talk) 22:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Articles for creation: International Association of Geoanalysts

Thanks for you reveiw but you really need to do better than that for the sake of the person who created that article. The independent sources added to the article (which were done by me after a note left at the Geology project, and the second rejection) do discuss the Association and what it does in detail. Certainly enough, imo, to survive AFD, so please leave a detailed analysis of those sources, as somehow not being enough. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Ok, Alanscottwalker I'm really confused by your comment. You seem to be incredibly sure your additions establish notability, but to the best of my understanding, the sources for the article are, in order:
  1. A "bio" blurb of the association in a list of other associations.
  2. A one-sentence not-even-"bio" blurb in a directory
  3. The association's name in a list
  4. A citation I can't verify (which isn't inherently a problem) that appears to only be used support the association's name, anyway
  5. The IAG mentioned in a paper as having designed a testing format that is relevant to the paper topic
  6. The IAG mentioned as having arranged tests on a material "once or twice a year" that are "not particularly suitable" to the topic the book section is discussing
  7. A journal monograph that discusses experiences of the IAG from the perspective of the IAG
  8. A self-citation to the website of the "trading arm" of the IAG
  9. A self-citation verifying that the IAG participates in publishing a journal
The only ones of these that appear to be even peripherally relevant to establishing notability by showing discussion in independent, reliable sources are sources 5, 6, and 9, but none of those sources involve in-depth coverage of the topic, and anyway the article fails to use them to claim any level of notability in the article. Instead, it only uses them to source statements about the aims and activities of the IAG - which are certainly worth mentioning, but don't show that anyone has taken enough notice of the IAG to discuss the IAG in any depth. In fact, most of the sources used in the article submission are so self-evidently non-relevant to notability that I assumed it was a no-brainer to read the notability policy (linked to in my decline) and understand why. What am I missing here that you feel establishes adequate notability for an organization? A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
OK but really? 5, 6 and 7 are independent sources and make it clear the Association is the only (or one of the few) setting scientific standards in this area (and they go on to explain them). Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
That is not actually clear from the sources at all, to my (non-geoanalyst) reading. Right now the impression given by the article and its sources is "The IAG exists. It does stuff. See, here's where I prove it does stuff, mostly by highlighting where the IAG says it does stuff." What I would be happier seeing in an AFC that I passed to mainspace would be "The IAG exists. Here is the stuff it does, here's why that's important, and here's where other people are like 'Hey wow, that stuff the IAG does is pretty darn important. Also the IAG is really important, see here where we discuss how important the IAG is and how when it says something, we listen.'"

Now, mind you, I'm not the be-all-end-all of AFC reviewers. Everyone does it slightly differently, and you'll never see me claim that my way is the only way, or even a better way than anyone else's. But using my own understanding of AFC and notability standards, I would not be comfortable passing the article until it includes discussion of the IAG's importance to the topic area/industry and uses multiple independent, in-depth sources that back up that notability. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Fine. But I think you are making a determination (if played out over and over again) fairly and significantly detrimental to the project. It "does stuff"? You mean, it developes international scientific mesurments by getting scientists together in multiple scientific forums. You want our article to actually say "that's important!" Really? And it cannot go in the encyclcopedia because 'hey, creating international scientific standards is evidently not encyclopedic and unnotable, Mr. Geonanalyst.' Then we have to disagree. Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
No, you're misunderstanding. I don't want the article to use the words "that's important!" I want the article to use sources and language that demonstrate that the topic is important enough to have been discussed in-depth outside of its own writings and/or that the IAG's work is important enough to be commonly relied on outside its own walls. On the topic of the IAG's standards, for example, it's one thing to say, "X creates standards for [blah]"; it's a much more useful thing to say or demonstrate that "X creates standards that are used widely throughout the industry and are acknowledged as reliable measurements of [blah]." Right now the article does the former, and what I'm trying to get across to you is that the latter is where notability is going to be established. You're welcome to re-submit the AFC as-is if you really think I'm utterly wrong on this, but it's a bit odd to run something through a review process and then refuse to believe the review you get. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
So, you're suggesting I should have taken it out of the review process? Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:34, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "take it out of the review process" (not submit it to AFC originally? pull it out of AFC now? take your feelings out on the review process by trying to change the guidelines?), but whatever it is you mean, I'm fairly sure that's not what I mean. At this point you are free to follow or not follow my recommendations about the submission before re-submitting it, but I've explained my thoughts about the article's current state as clearly as I'm able. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I did not submit it to the review process initially. When I came upon it it was already in the review process, and had been rejected twice for 'lack of independent sources'; I added three independent sources that take notice and discuss the unique activities of the Society. But, no, I won't be working on it anymore; and the editor who submitted it twice and the "thanked" me for adding sources, will shift as he or she may. Perhaps they may profit by this discussion (or not). -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 19:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Nina Dobrev article

Hey Fluffernutter, a couple of days ago you full-on protected the Nina Dobrev article which was a good decision. Since then there has been a good amount of discussion on the talk page that basically centers around the question should the lead sentence read "Bulgarian-Canadian actress" or just "Canadian actress". Things are at a bit of an impasse. I was wondering if you might want to wade through the discussion here and offer up some suggestions or even close it in an informal RFC sort of way? Thanks, SQGibbon (talk) 21:02, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry SQGibbon, but I'm not really comfortable making content contributions or decisions regarding a page I'm handling administratively. You could try asking on WP:AN for outside administrator input, or you could put an RFC tag on the talk page discussion to bring in more outside opinions. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 21:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
That's cool. Thanks! SQGibbon (talk) 21:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 November 2013

As I said in August, contributing to the Signpost can be one of the most rewarding things an editor can do. The genre is refreshingly different from that of Wikipedia articles, and can allow writers to use a different range of skills. The need for an independent, volunteer-run Signpost continues to grow, given the increasing complexity and financial expenditures of the global Wikimedia movement, not to mention the English Wikipedia.
Peter Burke's A Social History of Knowledge: Volume II: From the Encyclopédie to Wikipedia is a broad and wide-ranging look at how knowledge has been created, acquired, organized, disseminated, and sometimes lost in the Western world over the last two and a half centuries, a sequel to his 2000 book covering the prior three centuries, A Social History of Knowledge: From Gutenberg to Diderot.
Four articles, five lists, and thirty-four pictures were promoted to 'featured status' this week, including an image of a small fraction of the 18,000 taxis that serve Hong Kong.
This week, we headed over to WikiProject National Football League. With 10 Featured Articles, 61 Featured Lists, and 142 Good Articles (as of publication), this WikiProject has done a lot of work improving American football articles.
The Wikimedia Foundation has sent a formal cease and desist letter to Wiki-PR—the public relations agency accused of breaking Wikipedia policies and guidelines by creating, editing, and maintaining several thousand articles for paying clients through a sophisticated array of accounts. The Foundation's attorneys, Cooley LLP, have demanded that Wiki-PR's employees abide by the site's Terms of Use and the language of a community ban from the English Wikipedia.
It's not hard to guess which event is leading interest in the top 25 this week. The sheer scale of Typhoon Haiyan is staggering; estimates place its maximum windspeed upon first landfall in the Philippines on November 6 at 315 km/h, which would make it the most powerful tropical cyclone ever to reach land. To date, the storm has killed nearly 4000 people and damaged or destroyed nearly 4 million homes.
Back in March, when the March 25 Arbitration Report covered the Audit Subcommittee appointment discussion, a statement from the WMF legal division clarified its position that access to deleted revisions required an RFA or RFA-identical process; therefore AUSC committee appointments were not open to non-admins. The WMF legal team has now further clarified its position, saying that running for and winning an election for arbitrator would qualify as the type of rigorous community selection process required for the checkuser and oversight rights held by arbitrators.

Tech News: 2013-47

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

  • The Beta Features announced before are now available on all Wikimedia wikis. You can test new features easily by changing your Beta preferences. VisualEditor is one of those features on sites where it works and isn't automatically enabled. There is also a new media viewer and changes in the article text style. [20]
  • Tools developers can now create tools that use the OAuth protocol to connect to accounts on Wikimedia sites. As a user, you can use those tools to make edits and other changes with your account without giving the tool your password. [21]

Problems

Future

  • There will be no major code changes on the week of November 25 because many developers will be on holiday for Thanksgiving.
  • The editing interface of Page: pages on Wikisource (working with the Proofread Page extension) will soon also work without JavaScript. [22]

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06:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

You get yours. Give him a woolen ball, other than that he is not very demanding. Remember to tickle his fur belly, feed him milk and watch episodes of TBBT with him every night. All he needs is daily doses of love and he will return the same in infinite amounts. Remember these things and he'll be your best cuddly buddy.

Sohambanerjee1998 10:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Deletion? of page "Sustainable Shipping Initiative"

Hi there,

I've received a message telling me that the page I created -"Sustainable Shipping Initiative" - which you edited got deleted for a copyright infringement.

"17:50, 19 November 2013 Alexf (talk | contribs) deleted page Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sustainable Shipping Initiative (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://www.forumforthefuture.org/project/sustainable-shipping-initiative/overview)"

I understand Wikipedia's deletion policy on copyrighted material, but I think this has been wrongly deleted as I can't see why this would count as a copyright infringement. The website "http://www.forumforthefuture.org/project/sustainable-shipping-initiative/overview" belongs to the NGO that the article is about - so I don't see how that counts as copyright infringement.

Please could you provide me with more information.

Thanks, Rigbissimo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rigbissimo (talk • contribs) 13:56, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Rigbissimo The content is owned by the NGO, not Wikipedia. It is released under copyright, so it can't be reused on Wikipedia. --Mdann52talk to me! 14:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Rigbissimo. I've left a note on your talk page with a much more detailed explanation of how copyright works on Wikipedia. Hopefully it will help you get a handle on what's going on. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi - thanks for the information. I understand how to avoid copyright infringement clearly. Is there anyway I can have the original text I submitted last back so that I can easily edit it to avoid infringement? Thanks Rigbissimo (talk) 15:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
@Rigbissimo: I would suggest that rather than trying to edit the version that included copyrighted information, you do your best to start over from scratch and write original text. If it's very important to you, I can certainly email you the deleted text, but it's going to be of limited use to you in doing a proper rewrite of the article. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
@Fluffernutter: Thanks. If you could please email the deleted text over, that would be really helpful. Am I to take it the formatting has been deleted or does that remain in the text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rigbissimo (talk • contribs)
@Rigbissimo: Email sent! The formatting code is still included in it. Let me know if you have any problems getting the email. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:10, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
@Fluffernutter: Many thanks! Rigbissimo (talk) 14:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

re: User talk:176.27.160.160

Huh! I wonder how I rolled back my own rollback on that. Odd. Thanks for catching it. --jpgordon::==( o ) 00:20, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

We were basically a comedy of errors over there! You rolled yourself back, I managed to trample over your block on my way to blocking someone who was already blocked...ah, well, at least we got it mostly right in the end. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 00:40, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Goagar/sandbox - Neev Technologies

Hi Fluffernutter - my article submitted was denied. I thought I was able to take care of most of the issues identified in first review. could you please help me know specific issues for denial of submission...below is the url

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Goagar/sandbox

appreciate your inputs... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goagar (talk • contribs) 11:44, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Pres-ObamaBarrack

Nice block. You're to quick for me Dlohcierekim 00:13, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I love blocking vandals. Dlohcierekim 00:15, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

November 2013 GOCE drive wrap-up

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The Signpost: 04 December 2013

Summary:Doctor Who nearly got cancelled in its first week because its premiere was swamped by coverage of the JFK assassination, which happened the same day. Thankfully, producers saw fit to rerun it the next day, which is now its official anniversary date.
Wikipedia works on the efforts of unpaid volunteers who choose to donate their time to advance the cause of free knowledge. This phenomenon, as trivial as it may sound to those acquainted with Wikipedia inner workings, has always puzzled economists and social scientists alike, in that standard Economic theory would not predict that such enterprises would thrive without any form of remuneration.
Recent discussions on the English Wikipedia include...
The sister project Wikisource, the digital library that hosts free-content primary sources, is now a decade old. Wikisource, which now has versions in 63 languages, is the sixth type of project to reach ten-year milestone and will be the last until 2016. The Wikimedia Foundation's volunteer Funds Dissemination Committee has published its recommendations to the Board of Trustees on 11 new applications for annual grants by 11 WMF-affiliated organisations. The maximum total budget for the current and upcoming March rounds is US$6M.
This week, we returned to WikiProject Apple Inc. for a peek at their newest articles about the latest in gadgets and software. The last time we took a bite out of WikiProject Apple, they had just finished merging WikiProject Macintosh and WikiProject iPhone OS. Today, the project is hard at work rewriting their primary article, improving the subject's outline, and adding to the project's list of 25 Good Articles and 6 Featured Articles.
  • Featured content: F*&!
Seventeen articles, four lists, and twenty-eight pictures were promoted to "featured" status in the last two weeks.
The Ottoman Empire–Turkey naming dispute case has opened. The second draft of the discretionary sanctions proposal is now open for review.

IRC and things that make you uncomfortable

Unexplained interview request declined. If you feel there has been some sort of misconduct somewhere, I suggest you pursue it through channels that resolve disputes, rather than just threatening to harass me.

Hello Fluffernutter! I am really sorry that I asked you a question on IRC that, supposedly, made you "uncomfortable".

It is unfortunate that some questions make you uncomfortable. I do respect your right not to answer such questions.

Sadly, enforcing that right by silencing anyone who asks the questions, just makes you look silly. I'm sure that was not the intention of the people concerned.

Have a good day. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:28, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, why do you use the name "Finnegan" on IRC now, instead of the name you used before? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:30, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Demiurge, as I told you when you peppered me with questions about my gender in the conversation in question, I don't mind answering occasional questions, but I don't do interviews where I'm given no explanation why the questions are being thrown at me. I also don't generally do interviews in IRC channels devoted to other, much more useful things, since off-topic chatter tends to clog the channel. I didn't "silence" you or do anything else to you; I simply told you that I don't give interviews the way you were attempting to conduct one. Your resultant behavior is your own responsibility, and I would suggest you consider in the future whether your desire to vent is worth disrupting an otherwise busy, useful channel. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 01:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
I didn't "pepper" you with questions about your gender, I know very well what it is. Why is there such aggression in response to such questions even being asked?
The aggressive over-reaction from certain individuals who contribute (of course) absolutely nothing to the channel, is a clear indication of the insecurities of those involved.
I am glad that you think that is a "busy, useful channel". If someone were to ask my opinion, even despite my bias, I would struggle to be so positive. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:04, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I am quite willing to ask my questions here on Wikipedia, and I will not go away. It's easier to be honest and forthcoming. Erasing me from the record here is much more difficult than silencing me on IRC. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:09, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-49

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

This newsletter is now posted using MediaWiki message delivery.

New features

  • The CommonsMetadata feature was added to all wikis. It creates metadata information about multimedia files (like their license) that can be read automatically by computer programs. It not only works for Commons, but for all wikis, and you can use it for files on your wiki by editing templates used to describe metadata. [23]
  • JavaScript code used on Wikimedia sites is now saved locally on your computer to load faster. [24]

VisualEditor

  • You can now paste formatted content copied from external sources (not just as plain text) into VisualEditor; this includes copy/pasting from other VisualEditor windows. [25]
  • You can now open VisualEditor by adding ?veaction=edit to the page URL, regardless of your user preferences. [26]
  • Many bugs have been fixed, and VisualEditor should also look faster, for example when you save a page. [27]

Problems

  • Due to issues, the new search tool ("CirrusSearch") was recently removed from wikis where it was enabled, then added again. [28]

Future

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08:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 December 2013

When one edits this page for too long, one is tempted to appoint oneself as the psychoanalyst for the human race, or at least the English-speaking portion thereof. Since nearly everyone uses Wikipedia, the constant stream of TV updates, pointless celebrity scandals, and inquiries after who has died can seem like a dreary peek into humanity's surprisingly banal collective consciousness.
Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales caught headlines last week when he referred to former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden ... Loek Essers of the International Data Group, (IDG) News Service is reporting that a German court has held Wikipedia liable for its content, but still does not have to fact check the information in advance.
Amid great anticipation the international prize winners have just been announced for the fourth annual Wiki Loves Monuments, now the world's largest photographic competition and one of the biggest events on the Wikimedia movement's calendar. ... The first prize has gone to David Gubler's photograph of a Swiss train crossing a viaduct.
This week, the Signpost interviewed the Wine WikiProject.
On 7 December, Wikipedia editor Wehwalt reached the momentous milestone of 100 featured articles with History of Chincoteague, Virginia. Quite apart from the reading and research, that's around three-quarters of a million words of finalised text, not counting footnotes, image captions and the rest.
Three articles, one list, and eight pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia last week.
On 6 December, the latest version of the MediaWiki software was released. In development from March 2013 through October 2013, the release featured anti-spam and counter-vandalism improvements.

Mziboy

I hadn't noticed that you blocked a sock of this blocked user a couple of days ago. Could you do the honors for User:68.54.157.220 as well, same guy, same MO. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

 Done and article short-term semi'd, with only a smidgen of headdesking over people's choices of hobbies! A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 00:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Nightscream. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Nightscream/Evidence. Please add your evidence by December 29, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Nightscream/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Rschen7754 10:59, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Kafziel arbitration case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kafziel. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kafziel/Evidence. Please add your evidence by December 29, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kafziel/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 22:33, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-50

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

VisualEditor

  • The toolbar is now simpler; all text styles (bold, italics, underline, subscript, etc.) are in the same menu, and the "More" menu is called "Insert". [32]
  • You can now use a basic tool to add special characters to your text. You can add more characters (useful in your language) by editing the MediaWiki interface on translatewiki.net.
  • The tool to add and edit mathematical text is now called "formula". [33]

Problems

  • There was a problem with the "Create a book" tool (Collection); books could only be exported to PDF format. The change has been undone. [34]
  • The log-in system for external tools ("OAuth") was broken on wikis that tested the new search tool. It was fixed last week. [35] [36]
  • Because of a bug, this newsletter is delivered to users using the new MediaWiki message delivery, and to community pages using the old EdwardsBot. [37]

Future

  • MediaWiki 1.23wmf7 was added to test wikis on December 12. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on December 17 and all Wikipedia wikis on December 19 (calendar).
  • You will soon be able to select the language of SVG images that have translations using a drop-down menu on the image page. (see example) [38]
  • GLAMToolset, a tool to help GLAM groups (like museums) upload many pictures to Commons, will be added to Commons on December 17. [39]
  • A Draft namespace will be added to the English Wikipedia to make it easier to create new pages. You will be able to use VisualEditor for drafts if you have enabled it. [40] [41]

Other

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08:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 December 2013

This week, the Signpost interviewed the Tunisia WikiProject on the French Wikipedia.
An animated Google Doodle for computer programmer and naval rear admiral Grace Hopper generated another record-breaking hit count for the year, though the count for the list overall was lower than for that of the previous holder.
Current discussions on the English Wikipedia include...
A little more than six days after the close of voting, the results of the annual Arbitration Committee (ArbCom) elections have been announced. Of the 22 candidates, 13 managed to gain more supports than opposes, though only one gained the support of more than half of the voters. Eight were elected to two-year terms, and a ninth will serve for one year.
Seven articles, three lists, and eight pictures were promoted to 'featured' status on the English Wikipedia this week.
This week, the GLAMWikiToolset, or GWToolset, is being deployed to the Wikimedia Commons. It allows for GLAM organizations to batch upload content based on various metadata stored in an XML schema. In the past this has been done by various bots, but now it will be easier for GLAMs to do it directly.

Tech News: 2013-51

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

  • The latest version of MediaWiki (1.23wmf8) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on December 19. It will be enabled on non-Wikipedia wikis on December 31 and on all Wikipedia wikis on January 2, 2014 (calendar).
  • You can now test the new search tool ("CirrusSearch") on all Wikisource, Wiktionary and Wikimedia chapter wikis hosted on Foundation servers. Enable "New search" in your Beta features preferences. [43]
  • There was a bug where notifications were not sent when the signature of the user leaving the message linked to a translated namespace. The problem was fixed in the software and will soon be fixed on Wikimedia sites. [44] [45]
  • You can now use the log-in system for external tools (OAuth) on all Wikimedia wikis that use the unified login. [46]
  • If your wiki adds stars or other icons to interwiki links for featured articles in other languages, you may need to change the JavaScript code. [47]
  • You can thank other users for their edits even if your browser does not have JavaScript. [48] [49]
  • All edits made through Flow, the new discussion system for MediaWiki, are now visible in user's contributions. You can test it on the Flow talk page on MediaWiki.org. [50] [51]
  • You can test a visual tool that shows edits made to an article over time. It only works for English Wikipedia pages for now and is slow on long articles. [52]
  • You can test the first version of the new mobile Wikipedia app for Android and iOS. [53]
  • Translatewiki.net, the site where you can translate the MediaWiki software, now has a new main page for users without an account. [54]

Future software changes

  • There will be no technical changes this week (December 23 to December 29) due to end-of-year holidays.
  • When someone deletes, restores, uploads, or moves a file on Commons, pages on all wikis that use that file will be refreshed. [55] [56]
  • New users will soon have their user and talk pages added to their watchlist as soon as they create an account. [57] [58].
  • The new search tool (CirrusSearch) will not show the text of versions of a page that have been hidden. [59] [60]
  • You will soon be able to see the raw HTML created by some wikitext by using the Special:ExpandTemplates tool. [61] [62]

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08:22, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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