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Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
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Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - A section in this article seems to be copied almost verbatim from The Guardian. ([1]) Text from The Guardian (Amanda Meade): The submission, prepared by Dr Matt Collins KC, argued it was an abuse of process because Lehrmann came to the federal court seeking substantial damages when he knew the allegations he complained about were true. “In summary, Mr Lehrmann brought this proceeding on a deliberately wicked and calculated basis,” Ten said. Text from the article: The submission, prepared by Matt Collins, argued it was an abuse of process because Lehrmann came to the Federal Court seeking substantial damages when he knew the allegations he complained about were true. "Mr Lehrmann brought this proceeding on a deliberately wicked and calculated basis." I know that this is a relatively minor flaw in an article otherwise unblemished (from what I can see) of copyvios, but I don't think it's necessary to copy directly here and I think it would be worth changing.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Overall: This is my first review, so I've accordingly picked a topic I know a decent bit about, but I would nevertheless appreciate a second opinion. The infobox saying "known for rape in Parliament House (civil finding)" could potentially be a POV issue (one could argue Lehrmann is most well known for being accused of rape), but the "civil finding" and inline explanation, I think, makes it acceptable. ALT0 is acceptable (although I should note, as I'm sure you know, "controversy" and "collateral damage" are quotes from the judge, and I'm unsure about putting them in wikivoice), but I personally think ALT1 is more hooky. However, I think it suffers a bit from stilted phrasing, it could be somewhat unclear that "made the mistake of coming back for his hat" refers to Lehrmann given the omitted dots. Could something like "[h]aving escaped the lion's den, [Bruce] Lehrmann made the mistake of coming back for his hat" work? --LivelyRatification (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@LivelyRatification, I've update the article to remove the close paraphrasing which you identified and adjusted the infobox in line with your observation that Lehrmann is most known for 'being accused of rape'. In regards to rewording the alt, how does the following look?
ALT1a ... that when dismissing his defamation action, an Australian judge said of Bruce Lehrmann, "[h]aving escaped the lion's den [he] made the mistake of coming back for his hat."?
@TarnishedPath: Thanks for addressing the copyvio issue, looks perfect. Also appreciate the change to more neutral wording wrt "known for". I would say that ALT0 and ALT1a (with the minor edit of a comma in between den and [he], to read "[h]aving escaped the lion's den, [he] made the mistake of coming back for his hat.") are both ready to go on the main page. --LivelyRatification (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Cited at ref 3 in the article: Hippen, Wilfried; Die Tageszeitung, 8 February 2022, p. 24, ISSN 0931-9085. (in German)
ALT1: ... that Homeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured) never sets out to disprove homeopathy—yet its practitioners often end up doing it themselves? Source: per source 1 in article: Thiam, Boussa (February 14, 2022). "Die Widersprüche der Koryphäen". Deutschlandfunk Kultur (in German).
ALT2: ... that in Homeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured), when homeopaths finish explaining their therapy, few consistent principles remain? Source: per source 1 in article: Thiam, Boussa (February 14, 2022). "Die Widersprüche der Koryphäen". Deutschlandfunk Kultur (in German).
Reviewed:
Comment: Image is licensed under CC-BY-SA 4.0 on Commons, free use confirmed.
Created by KAMfakten (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Overall: The article has sentences that are non-neutral. For example, The topic was perfectly suited to the medium of non-confrontational Socratic dialogues expresses in wikivoice what the source presents as the views of the filmmaker. Unsourced sentences like Even though Homeopathy Unrefuted? is certainly conceived as a niche product, it's unclear whether it's of more interest to homeopathy's proponents or opponents appear to be original research. Meanwhile, none of the hooks work. ALT0 is not explicitly stated in the article, and the only discussion of the Socratic method is cited to other sources, not the source provided in the nom. Meanwhile, ALT1 and ALT2 are sourced to a Q&A interview with the filmmaker, which is not independent, and thus the hook should be attributed to the filmmaker. However, attributing a rather banal observation about how the film is constructed to the filmmaker makes mostly uninteresting hooks even less interesting. At any rate, the article and the hooks need some work. I'd suggest some new alternatives where the hook matches claims in the article and is sourced to a suitable reliable source. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:28, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, this was helpful! I clarified the source of the first statement and deleted the second one without source. I also checked the article about other non-neutral sentences. If you find more, I will correct them. I refrased the first hook in a way, that it reproduces exactly the wording of the journalist in Die Tageszeitung and offer a second hook that is less literal, but would be more poignated:
ALT4: ... that Homeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured) only features people who believe in and practice homeopathy, yet the film ends up being more damaging for them than if critics had been included?
Source: Cited at ref 3 in the article: Hippen, Wilfried; Die Tageszeitung, 8 February 2022, p. 24, ISSN 0931-9085. (in German)
ALT5: ... that Homeopathy Unrefuted?(poster pictured) interviews only homeopathy believers, yet this alone makes the film more damaging for them than including skeptics?
Source: Cited at ref 3 in the article: Hippen, Wilfried; Die Tageszeitung, 8 February 2022, p. 24, ISSN 0931-9085. (in German)
Neither of these new alternative hooks is neutrally worded. They present the opinion of a single interviewer in wikivoice as a fact. For all I know, not having seen the movie, the film is more damaging to homeopathy than if critics had been included, but that is the opinion of Wilfried Hippen, not something we can state on the Wikipedia homepage as a fact. Normally we'd want to attribute the opinion to the person expressing it, but Hippen appears to be non-notable and has no Wikipedia page, so I'm not sure that saying ...did you know that Wilfried Hippen thought this about a movie works at all as a hook. Also, neither of these hooks appears in the article. P.S. Upon second thought, the text in the poster image is not legible, so I've updated the review to account for that. If this is eventually promoted, the image should not be used. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I see what you mean. So what about hooks based on the films content itself, like:
Comment: A statement like "ends up questioning the method’s credibility" is no interpretation of mine or of a journalist or the filmmaker, but this is, what actually goes on in the film itself.--KAMfakten (talk) 20:10, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First, to establish my bona fides on this topic: did you hear the one about the homeopath who forgot to take his medication and died of an overdose? Second: too many of these are formulated as Your Opinion. ALT6 will work. DS (talk) 13:48, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KAMfakten: I agree with DragonflySixtyseven that ALTS7-9 do express personal opinions (or present personal opinions in wikivoice). ALT6 is in the article, but it does not comply with WP:DYKHFC's requirement that The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear. Plot summaries are not required to sourced in articles that appear in DYK, but the hook fact is, without any exception for hook facts that appear in plot summaries. The hook would also need to be rephrased as something like this ALT6a: ... that Homeopathy Unrefuted? features homeopaths naming remedies derived from cancer tissue, magnets and even the Berlin Wall? But before anything else can be done, the WP:DYKHFC issue must be addressed. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:49, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In order not to rely solely on the film itself with a time stamp as a source, I have modified the hook to reflect facts that are mentioned in secondary sources:
ALT6b: ... that the documentary Homeopathy Unrefuted? shows homeopaths suggesting that even a fridge, a camera, or the Berlin Wall could be made into a homeopathic remedy?
Sources: Cited in ref 1: Hoffmann, Werner; Forum für Kritisches Denken, and ref 2: Oßwald, Dieter; Kontext: Wochenzeitung (both in German).
Question: I added these footnotes to the content section of the article to meet DYK requirements. May I remove them again after the DYK review, or should they remain? KAMfakten (talk) 21:18, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KAMfakten: The Berlin Wall reference appears to be confirmed only in remarks by the director (that source is a Q&A interview), and I'm reluctant to approve a hook about a movie that's based on claims made by the filmmaker. The refrigerator and camera bits do come from secondary coverage. Is there a third substance you can source from a secondary source for what homeopaths in the movie claim therapies can be made of? On a separate note, the section headings in the summary of the documentary's content are excessive and affect the article's presentability; see WP:OVERSECTION. I do not believe it's necessary for readers to read single-sentence summaries of each individual "chapter". As for your question, please leave citations in the content section. They should be in the article for readers' benefit if and when this appears on the main page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:18, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: The Berlin Wall is mentioned by the journalist, and then the director explains why he included it in the film. This should be sufficient as a secondary source. And yes, you're right — I’ve used the flexibility of the Wikipedia Manual of Style in the summary in favor of clarity and orientation, and that was intentional. The subheadings make the text scannable: readers can quickly grasp the structure and choose what to explore in detail. Even short paragraphs deserve their own heading when they cover a distinct topic — this prevents separate ideas from blending into a vague summary. Moreover, the headings exactly match those in the film, and the text’s structure visually mirrors the film’s structure itself. I wouldn’t normally use paragraphs that way in a plot summary, but in this case, it seemed like the right decision. KAMfakten (talk) 14:02, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KAMfakten: The interviewer's only mention of the Berlin Wall is Die "Berliner Mauer" wirkt automatisch lächerlich (roughly The 'Berlin Wall' automatically seems laughable). That doesn't say that the homeopath brought it up as an example of a homeopathic remedy. The source also doesn't support the text in the article, which names the interviewee who said this when the source doesn't. So this part of the hook still needs to be fixed. And WP:OVERSECTION is quite clear: Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheadings. The "Content" section of this article is exactly that -- too many subsections that are just a sentence or two. There is no requirement that the content section include subheadings that match the chapters of the documentary, particularly if the summaries of them are so short, and it does seriously interfere with the presentability of the article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: I absolutely agree that we should work by the book — but within reasonable limits. What other explanation could there be for the journalist mentioning "Berlin Wall" and the filmmaker explaining why that remedy appears in the film — namely, that he wouldn’t have included it unless the homeopaths themselves had brought it up? How could this not count as sufficient proof? (As a side note: a quick search reveals articles about the existence of the remedy "Berlin Wall" in The Times, The Guardian, Medscape, and the Daily Mail.) Regarding the structure: yes, you’re right in a formal sense. However, as a frequent reader of high-quality Wikipedia articles, I find that a bit of flexibility in applying style guidelines can sometimes improve understanding. Let’s be honest — most readers will only read this summary and never watch the documentary. Yet the film features the leading authorities on homeopathy contradicting each other on every fundamental aspect of the concept. Presenting these contradictions in clearly subdivided sections — just as the film does — provides valuable clarity that would be lost in a continuous block of text. The subsections are concise, but none consist of a single sentence. Considerable effort went into keeping them short while preserving completeness and neutrality. I genuinely believe this structure serves readers best in this particular case. KAMfakten (talk) 21:39, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KAMfakten: It appears this is your second article and first DYK nomination, so I don't want to discourage you, but we have a large backlog of DYK nominations and so there's very little reason to pass a nomination that falls short of the DYK guidelines. In this case, we need: (1) to have every element of the hook clearly validated in a reliable source. I have identified above why the Berlin Wall reference is not fully validated by a source provided (I am not going to Google; if you want to bring a source to the discussion, bring a source to the discussion), and (2) WP:OVERSECTION is part of the Manual of Style, which is a guideline (best practice supported by consensus) and it's not my place to waive guidelines, particularly in a case like this one where I see their merits. It may be mystifying that DYK reviewers insist on certain things (it was to me when I first began nominating hooks here), but there are good reasons, and my concerns are founded on WP:DYKG. Since you appear unwilling to make further modifications to the article or hook (which is your prerogative), I will bow out of this review and open it up to another reviewer for a second opinion. Good luck. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:00, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New Enough and yep 5x expansion. Long enough (obviously). I think this is neutral. The 28.1% on earwig might be a false positive. The hook is interesting, and in the article. I WP:AGF the source above as for some reason I cannot access wayback machine. QPQ is done. The problem now is: a) there are unferenced statements (and even a citation needed tag) (emphasising that his background combined formal training, military service, and long experience in civil aviation. and and that his work remained a point of contention long after his death.. Pinging @Very Polite Person: for response. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 14:44, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The cite needed was actually added by me when I redid it, as I wasn't sure how to even source that end few bits I inherited on my rebuild (apparently we can't source to IMDB?). The other two trailing lines are gone too--I had initially thought I could RS/V those but it didn't work out. My understanding is we don't need a source for the basic feature appearance noted in the last line as it's apparently well known enough? — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)14:54, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TarnishedPath: Flight paths first... In hindsight maybe it wasn't super duper obvious... so on Bruce Cathie, the Anaheim paper is [4] for source, comes up here:
In 1967, press accounts described him as a "respected amateur mathematician".[4]
and
In 1967, Copley Press in the Anaheim Bulletin reported that several UFO sightings in the area of Hawke's Bay on the North Island appeared to align with his calculations.[4]
For flight paths claim from Anaheim Bulletin, Wed, Dec 06, 1967, Page 42, "Pilot Finds Pattern in UFO Sightings":
Mathematician comes from 2nd column, 2nd-3rd rows.
For the flight bit, it's starting 1st column, "But Bruce Cathe, a 37-year old Fokker Friendship captain..."
We're not saying he can or did do it, but that he proposed it was a valid:
"plotted the positions", "grid of lines which Cathie drew up", "map and grid were drawn up two years before"
Now Column 3: Paragraphs 1-2 get into his approach
Column 4: line of this continues paragraphs 1-3 approaches what he was up to
Column 5: ties it together
The writer was juggling an absolute ton of balls and wrote a bizarrely dense article for something like this. Some of the sentences are doing multiple bits of scaffolding and and lifting. It took me a bit to see it too that way (this is the article that motivated me to save it from AfD; someone put a huge amount of effort into this 1967 article).
@TarnishedPath: For the nukes, I think I see what I did--I dropped the wrong source link here, and used an adjacent one. I linked what's used here:
In 1968, the New Zealand government engaged Cathie to provide research material related to nuclear testing by France at the island of Moruroa in the Pacific Ocean.[3]
Which is that nuke-related newspapers one from 1978. It's fine for the above, but I needed the one that is [9], for this in the article:
The Royal Aeronautical Society in Auckland invited Cathie to present his claims in 1968.[9] Vice stated that Cathie was invited to join the society's president and secretary at dinner, where they challenged him to demonstrate with his formulas to forecast the date of a French nuclear weapons test.[9] Cathie reportedly predicted 24 August at the event to his hosts based upon his maths at the table, and then on 24 August 1968, France detonated a nuclear weapon in Opération Canopus.[9]
The Oklo natural reactor discovery and the Russian report’s corroboration of the grid would push Cathie to venture to an even more out-there branch of his research—predicting nuclear detonation activity.
Cathie is adamant throughout his work that due to “the relative motions of the atomic particles” nuclear detonations can only be achieved “on, under, or over a specific geometric point related to the Earth’s surface at a specific time.” Cathie maintains that “the relative motions of the Earth and sun, at this instant of time, cause the disruption of the unstable particles of uranium, plutonium, cobalt or whatever unstable matter is used to trigger the explosion.”
In August 1968, he was invited to present his UFO research at the Royal Aeronautical Society in Auckland. The night before his presentation, he joined a dinner with the president and secretary of the society. Late in the evening, the conversation turned to Cathie’s nuclear bomb test theory. Cathie’s dining companions were skeptical of his calculations. As a challenge, they invited him to predict the date of the next French atomic test. Cathie ran the math at the table and predicted the 24th of that month. Sure enough, on August 24th, 1968, the Pacific Carrier Battle Group carried out Opération Canopus, making France the fifth country to test a thermonuclear device.
And I hate that it always feels like it needs to be reiterated to even performative levels, but again, in case: we're not saying he could, we're saying he said he could do all this. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)17:20, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Vice stated that Cathie was invited to join the society's president and secretary at dinner, where they challenged him to demonstrate with his formulas to forecast the date of a French nuclear weapons test (from the nuclear test quotes)
and
several UFO sightings in the area of Hawke's Bay on the North Island appeared to align with his calculations (from the UFO quotes).
I'm not seeing that either support the assertion that Cathie proposed ... could be mathematically forecast. With the nuclear stuff it states that he was challenged to forecast the next nuclear test and that he reportedly did. This is not the same as saying that he proposed that the occurrence of nuclear tests could be mathematically forecast. With the UFO stuff it states that UFO sightings appear to align with his prior calculations. Again, this is not the same as stating that he proposed that UFO flight paths could be mathematically forecast. TarnishedPathtalk22:26, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:TarnishedPath... how about this? Just using strictly what's in the {{tq}} material here on this DYK page:
@Very Polite Person: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig is clean. Not a DYK issue per se (but I do see you've nominated this for GA, where this will be); the "Lightcraft research..." section needs far fewer subsections, possibly even none. The problem you have is that the hook is only really interesting if you know what lightcraft is and needs more context.--Launchballer22:33, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Makes it more obvious, brings in the class of propulsion it is, gives more for readers, and while lightcraft were under the field propulsion page, I hadn't moved it in reverse (there's a HUGE number of pages I'll need to update downriver of the main FP page, this is one of them. Edit here to tie off the loop on Lightcraft. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)16:13, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Very Polite Person: ALT3 is slightly better, though would hide 'lightcraft' under 'a type' (a promoter will do that), and I'm not sure if a broad audience would understand 'field propulsion' (though spacecraft and lasers probably takes this over WP:DYKINT). Ctrl+Fing 'field propulsion' shows only the See also section, could you make the prose say the hook exactly?--Launchballer03:56, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: - Ctrl+Fing 'field propulsion' shows only the See also section, could you make the prose say the hook exactly?
I actually got that here the other day...? This edit:
Lightcraft operating with lasers are a form of field propulsion.[10]
Shorter/clearer; gets the subject, gets in light/spacecraft in one, and then opens the door to all sorts of nerdy related fun stuff on the field propulsion page. "But wait... there's more!" — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)14:41, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did see you had a nomination for field propulsion. I would personally run them as a double hook, but it's your call. The problem with "This edit" is that you added it to the lightcraft article; it must be in at least one bolded article.--Launchballer16:23, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer:, ah, I see what I did, it's here now too on Myrabo's. I thought about doubling them up after I had that other double get into the queue, but I thought it would be better to separate them as laser-based systems like this are just one subset of the entire field propulsion domain?
The field propulsion article is rock solid for this and DYK (and way easier to source). Looking more deeply through my notes, I spent more time on field propulsion (already) than I want to admit as seen here, and that's not getting into the large directories of files/data I have over the past few years...
I think we should go back to the idea of two DYKs. Keep field propulsion as-is and drop it from Myrabo.
There's competing technical and taxonomy arguments (circa 2000-2010 IIRC) that might make it harder to cleanly 1:1 source this without me rooting back into these massive sources... more time than I have time this week. The issue was that different people in different organizations and papers started to classify these things with sometimes overlapping and sometimes slightly drifting terminology. That's what led to me spending a month (at least) on the side trying to pinpoint the actual authoritative voices on it all.
Comment: The hook aims to grab the reader who initially wonders about which constitution was written in 1997 or was extended to include a 42nd article in 1997, and wonders about whether it's the country Georgia or the US state Georgia, and so decides to seek more info by reading either the new article or the Georgian constitution article.
Created by Boud (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.
Article is new enough and long enough and meets that criteria. However, there are major issues in sourcing with this article which principally relies on WP:PRIMARY sources published by the subject or its affiliates. It is not at all clear that this topic is notable because the sourcing does not demonstrate independent significant coverage to pass WP:GNG let alone meet the rigor required at WP:ORG. At the moment, I doubt this would survive an WP:AFD based on the materials used, and for that reason it would likely end up at AFD if we were to put this on the main page (in which case we would have to pull it). Until the article's sourcing is significantly improved with WP:SECONDARY clearly independent materials, I don't think we can run this. Additionally, the hook idea here is somewhat suspect. Intentionally being vague and unclear or misleading has the potential of being challenged (unless we were running this for April Fools). I think at the very least we would need an ALT Hook on hand as a backup in case that happens.4meter4 (talk) 21:14, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me to choose an alternative hook. First we need to sort out notability.The relevant notability guideline is WP:NGO and the relevant essay is WP:SBEXTERNAL: ... For example, a 2007 story on the BBC News website is more likely to be cited than a 1967 edition of the Thai Post or Večernje novosti. ... Notability is more difficult to establish in non-Anglophone topics because of a lack of English sources and difficulty for anglophone participants to find sources in the native language of the topic. A lack of native language editors of the topic only compounds the problems.Looking at WP:NGO alone, criterion 1 is clearly satisfied: the scope of activities is international: the European Court of Human Rights is a major international institution, and there are plenty of WP:SECONDARY sources establishing RG's activities in the ECtHR.[1][2][3]Criterion 2 is "significant coverage". The WP:SECONDARY sources that I've recently added cover RG's interventions in national[4][5][6][7] and international[8] legal/sociopolitical activities/events that are significant to Georgian society; and RG is seen by the Council of Europe as notable enough to be harassed by Georgian authorities.[9] It's true that I haven't found any in-depth articles on RG alone, but the activities of RG described by the sources are not just trivial activities of a private business – they are part of a national-level process (openly and publicly) influencing legislation and judicial institutions in Georgian society. The secondary sources clearly establish RG as a notable organisation. Criterion 2 is satisfied.For the additional criteria: Nationally well-known local organizations – national-level media regularly report RG's activities and the national Anti-Corruption Bureau is interested enough in RG to hassle it; Factors that have attracted widespread attention – Devex attests to RG's multi-decade longevity (created 1997) and national uniqueness: Rights Georgia is a sole legal partner of the UNHCR in Georgia and the only organization in Georgia [that] is focused on ....[10] and RG's CEDAWX and Y v. Georgia case led to a CEDAW committee finding that [broke] new ground by calling on Georgia not only to compensate the victims, but also to instigate widespread reforms aimed at ensuring a zero-tolerance policy towards violence against women. That makes it highly notable nationally, as well as fairly notable internationally - by researchers in UK-based universities.[11]OK now for notability? Boud (talk) 18:13, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Boud: In order to evaluate this impartially I had to do a WP:SIRS table analysis, and in doing so I came to the conclusion that this is likely not a notable topic. Rather than conjecture this at DYK (which is not right venue), I took this to the correct venue which is at WP:AFD. If the article survives there, I will put in a request here for a new reviewer as it would be best in that event for a fresh start. I know this was probably not the response you were hoping for, and I am sure this is disappointing/frustrating. Regretably the work you have done is WP:OR and is the type of work that an academic or a journalist should be doing. It is not the type of writing that is permissible here on wikipedia.4meter4 (talk) 21:57, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is biased. I think other users probably think the same. And that's not interesting, because it's news that's widely reported around the world. Cassilvwikis (talk) 02:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lots of cleaning work still needed. @Piotrus: At least two non-existent, unarchivedURLs have been found so far. Both seem to correspond to real articles, but if it's an LLM that chooses the URL, then you have to check it; and if it's you that stores the URL for later use a few years later, best that you archive it, and you do have to check it when you publish the article in Wikipedia. You can't assume that the old URL is still valid. (These are generic "you"s.) DYK reviewers are especially required to check sourcing. With 81 sources, that's a lot of checking that reviewers need to do, and finding any dead-unarchived URLs implies that more than just a quick browse is needed. Boud (talk) 18:44, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Plus a third dead URL. I'm about 3/4 of the way through the 81 refs in terms of rapid copyediting, but I have not checked all of the roughly 60 URLs in text that I've copyedited so far; I've assumed with good faith that they exist and that the info in the text matches the content. I've checked some. Boud (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DYKNEWY.WP:DYKLENY.WP:DYKCOMPLETEY.WP:DYKCITE Most seem OK, but as above, I've checked quite a few of the sources, but not all, and there were at least two three dead, unarchived (from a 6 September 2025 new article!) URLs that I've fixed, and there still is one unfixed (handelsblatt).WP:DYKHFC The lead currently has inline refs for arson, GPS jamming and attempted PL railway attacks (infrastructure), but I haven't really tried to check about whether European officials ... reported all of these.WP:DYKHOOK I don't see the point of European officials ... reported in the original hook. I don't see much point to ALT1 either, since the lead of hybrid warfare states The concept of hybrid warfare has been criticized by a number of academics and practitioners, who say that it is vague and has disputed constitutive elements and historical distortions and in this particular case, Russia is currently only using non-military methods of sabotage in Europe west of the Ukrainian border, so it's semi-hybrid rather than hybrid, which is likely to leave readers even more confused about what that actually means. I would propose ALT2 (above). Overall, with ALT2, this article is not too far from DYK ready. However, it does need someone other than me to do another review, especially in checking (1) (preferably) all of the references, and checking that they are actually used acccurately; and (2) checking if it's justified to remove the {{AI-generated}} template and category. I found a fourthdead, unarchived URL. It's not credible to believe that the four URLs became invalid in less than two months. Mainstream news source servers sometimes do server software updates and fail to create redirects for old URLs. But that's once in five years or so, not every month. So overall, this needs another, independent reviewer. Boud (talk) 21:52, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just a reminder that someone independent of me needs to thoroughly review this. Hopefully it should be easier to review now, but I mostly did not do a full check, i.e. I did not check that the information is accurately summarised from the sources - I mostly only focussed on copyediting the Wikipedia text, and briefly looked at some of the source titles and read a few of the sources, assuming in most cases that the summarising was done accurately. There was too much work to do a full sourcing check. Given the role of an LLM in the editing, even if the original prompts were valid, there's a big risk that many of the sources more or less have information related to what is summarised in the Wikipedia article, but not quite, and checking and fixing likely requires more than just a rapid browse of sources vs Wikipedia text. Boud (talk) 12:52, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article created 7 September. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 19:17, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thriley and Guerreroast: The article doesn't support the claim in ALT0 that Kleberg invented the cattle prod. It says He is credited with having invented the cattle prod around 1930, though other versions date to 1917. The source for this claim is the Texas Monthly article, which says nothing about inventing it around 1930 and nothing about earlier versions dating to 1917. Given the failure of WP:DYKHOOKCITE I am pulling the tick for further refinement. The proposed ALT is not particularly interesting. How is this as another alternative? ALT2: ... that Robert J. Kleberg III bred the first American cattle breed at King Ranch? Sources: Kleberg invented the Santa Gertrudis, the first American cattle breed and the first new breed anywhere in one hundred years (Texas Monthly); Mr. Kleberg (pronounced Clayberg) developed this country's first breed of cattle, the Santa Gertrudis, a cross between the Indian Brahmin and the English shorthorn. (NYTimes); He is credited with developing the first United States breed of beef cattle, the Santa Gertrudis, perfected over thirty years. (TSHA). Those are three robust sources for a "first" claim, which gets extra scrutiny. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:30, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dclemens1971, that was my concern -- that if the article about the breed isn't saying it was the first, are we sure it's the first, even if we're souring it in the bolded article to an RS that is saying that. I wasn't so much worried about the hook being in the non-bolded article, more about hooks saying "first". Valereee (talk) 14:27, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Mihoko Ishida became a singer while playing football?
Source: Oricon[歌手活動も行っている異色の現役女子サッカー選手・石田ミホコが、セカンドシングル「one for ALL」を本日22日（水）に発売した。Ishida Mihoko, an active female soccer player who also works as a singer, released her second single, "one for ALL," today, the 22nd (Wednesday).]
Comment: I don't know football, I just expand this for destubbing effort and this was in risk of deletion. I also don't know how to phrase this hooks.this is the permalink before I expand it (243 characters). Special Thanks Svartner for bringing this to me.
5x expanded by Miminity (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 33 past nominations.
Article is long enough (DYKCheck) and sufficiently new at nomination time. Hook source is reliable and backs the hook. I would prefer ALT1 as being more comprehensive, and I also like the escalation of positions. Sources, including the Japanese sources, in the article are reliable. Article conforms to WP:BLP. However, the football career section isn't very clear. For example, this string of sentences feels clunky: "She then played for Nippon TV Menina. She then played for the team of Musashigaoka College. Due to the school partnership with the Arsenal Ladies in England, and played against them. The club offered to join the team, and in 2003, after she graduated from junior college, she joined the English football club Arsenal Ladies." In addition, the musical career section mentions a retirement, but it should probably specify that it's a retirement from football. I would like to see some editing to make the football section be more clear. Ilikepie2221 (talk) 08:47, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that when Aline Sitoe Diatta's death was announced, nearly forty years after she died, she was declared a "heroine of Senegal"?
Source: Baum 2009, p. 52; Baum 2016, p. 157.
ALT1: ... that in Dakar, Aline Sitoe Diatta is often called "the woman who was more than a man"? Source: Toliver-Diallo 2005, p. 342.
ALT2: ... that although Senegal commemorates Aline Sitoe Diatta has a heroic figure of resistance, some scholars have argued that she did not have strong links to anti-colonial resistance? Source: Toliver 1999, p. 210, O'Donoghue 2024, pp. 484–485.
As the GA nominator, thank you. Frequently forget to go DYK noms in the required time frame. Personally would remove one of the commas from the first proposal ("...that when Aline Sitoe Diatta's death was announced forty years after she died, she was declared...") and might rephrase ALT2 as "...that although Senegal commemorates Aline Sitoe Diatta has a heroic figure of anti-colonial resistance, some scholars have argued that she did not have strong links to said resistance?" But otherwise am quite happy with these. Not a formal review, though. Spookyaki (talk) 18:19, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Belatedly reopening this nom as I pulled it on the 22nd because of concerns about the hook as outlined in this discussion. The hook still needs some reworking, pinging nominator Spookyaki to alert them of the issue. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 11:18, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4: ... that the Republican makeup look is believed to result from applying foundation too dark for the wearer's skin tone and then blending it with the fingers rather than a brush? Source: All the others.
@Launchballer:Well, since they said they "don't have time or energy to fix everything" after removing 6-7K or so, it doesn't look like they have any interest in coming back. and, really, what's the point of going to that length to fix a problem and only afterwards leaving a tag describing the problem? I sure wouldn't do that sort of thing ... it's like adding a whole bunch of sources to an article largely lacking in them, and only then putting {{refimprove}} on the article or section. At the very least leave something on the talk page about some further changes that might be made on the talk page. As it is it's very drive-by ... why identify a problem if you're not willing to fix it or even say how?
Given my experience reviewing ANEW reports, I am averse to removing such tags when I am the one who did the most work on the article, but here I am hard put to see any other alternative.
@Bremps: I've thought about that ... but I don't think a merged article is eligible for DYK. And what might you call it? Cosmetic aesthetic of MAGA? I don't think you could use "Trump" in the title because it would be about more than him or his administration. I think, honestly, if someone had created such an article people would just as readily be suggesting it be split up into something like what we have now. Daniel Case (talk) 19:09, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The only reason I haven't reviewed this is because I disagree with the entire premise. "Republican makeup" has been a thing since the 2010s. I first saw it in Southern California Republican culture in 2013 or so. Now, I can't speak to why my opinion differs from those in the article, but obviously this article is arguing that the phenomenon only reached peak meme in 2024, and of course that's true, but the reality is that this whole idea is very old. Kimberly Guilfoyle has been sporting the look since maybe 2011? And thinking about that, my guess is that this whole thing originated with how Fox News hosts used makeup, as that would be the simplest explanation that lines up with the facts. Viriditas (talk) 01:17, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see that the article body mentions that this phenomenon is due to older styles of makeup use going back to the 1980s, while others have connected it to the beauty pageant aesthetic, one that Trump was particularly drawn to in the past. If the lead could make it clear that this "look" is not new, but rather the commentary on its use by Trump admin-associated woman is what is new (not in those words, but with that meaning), that would be great. In many ways, the look is consistent with conservatism, since it is reaching back to the 1980s and the women who use it refuse to use newer and more updated styles instead, in this example, as a way to kowtow and curry favor with Trump. I think the article is fairly well written, but seeing the absence of the historical context in the lead bothered me. Viriditas (talk) 22:32, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you can find more of that historical context that is reliably sourced, please share it. It wasn't for lack of research that I didn't include anything about it beyond what's already there. Daniel Case (talk) 05:44, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies if you misunderstood what I wrote: I see that the article body mentions that this phenomenon is due to older styles of makeup use. It's already in the article, but not the lead. A few words would fit perfectly in the third paragraph. Your other sources say quite a bit more. For example, you linked to a source by Sam Escobar which indicates that the makeup is associated with 1) old makeup trends from yesteryear, 2) beauty pageants, and 3) stage performers.[2] Other sources that you use say that the look makes the women look older than their true age, which has got to be the strangest fashion style of all time. Most people wear makeup to look younger, not older. This added info would go well in the third paragraph before "an exaggerated aesthetic of gender performance that evokes drag queens". Viriditas (talk) 10:28, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't speak to that directly, nor do I necessarily agree with it, but it is certainly one valid argument among many others. My personal issue with this article is the historical framing which feels completely off to me. This specific makeup trend in conservative circles is old, very old; it did not begin with the Trump admin in 2016 or in 2024, but the meme did emerge recently, which confuses the topic in many different ways. I believe it is a notable cultural topic when seen in that light, but not reduced to only the meme, which is admittedly pejorative as we all know. This is why I believe the historical framework needs to be expanded. I believe that the sources show that this makeup trend comes from conservative culture, some of which has roots in older makeup styles, the use of makeup by Fox News hosts, and some kind of intersectionality on top of that. My earliest memories of seeing this kind of thing is on late night television in the 1980s with people like Tammy Faye Messner becoming famous for the excessive makeup style. Later, in the 2000s, Fox News hosts became known for similar makeup. Quite interestingly, in 2012, people started writing about this style.[3][4] And by 2013, I began to see it more and more in the public. I think the only reason it became a popular meme now in the Trump era is because these people are now center stage and the public is forced to see them on the news whether they like it or not. And this is the Fox News presidency, complete with the religious influence, so the makeup connections from both eras are there. My complaint is that this article does not take a holistic, historical view on the entire cultural phenomenon, but instead focuses on a silly meme that only recently emerged. Viriditas (talk) 09:36, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because that was what turned up when I started researching it. What's in there is as holistic and historical a view as I could find searching on "Republican makeup", "right wing makeup", "MAGA makeup" and "conservative girl makeup". I have not seen any connection to Tammy Faye Bakker, and in any event that was seen at the time as specific to her and having no political connotations.
The connection with Tammy Faye Bakker is through Christianity, conservatism and the culture of the Southern United States. This connection appears almost everywhere. Steven Saylor made this connection in 1991, noting that the women enmeshed in the culture of Texas used makeup in the same way as Bakker. The Atlantic article up above suggests that this same culture was also present at Fox News, both in how the men wanted the women to look and how the women used their approach to makeup within this culture. There's really a lot written about this. Bakker was famous for saying that she never took her makeup off and that Jim had never seen her without makeup. While that might sound like just a offhand quip, there's a lot going on here. IIRC, at the time Bakker was active, there were conservative business rules in place in corporations which required women employees to wear makeup in certain situations. I don't recall when those rules were changed, but I remember one of the major airlines required it around 1989 or so. Also keep in mind that the airline industry was notorious for hiring women to entertain and appear attractive to men up until maybe 1970 or so. Makeup was required to be worn by women for the appreciation of men in this instance. Yes, it's become very fashionable for anti-feminists to say "I wear makeup for me, not for other men", but this is a newer development. This might seem like it has nothing to do with anything, but the reality is that it has everything to do with this subject. Men for a very long time required women to act and behave in a certain way, and their ability to go out into public without makeup was a sign of feminism and women's liberation, in some respects. "Republican makeup" follows this long anti-feminist tradition, although it obviously morphed in several ways to accommodate Trumpism and the resurgence of women wearing extreme amounts of makeup in the tradition of conservative culture and its newer manifestations (for example, tradwife culture). I have no objection to a larger article on this subject but as it stands right now, the current article makes it seem like this whole thing is new when it isn't. Viriditas (talk) 23:38, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, blame my sources, not me. It is not the first time—and won't be the last—that one of our articles is limited by what its sources say when a knowledgeable reader can see there should be more to it. From what you've written, I think the best thing you could do is gather up sources, write a scholarly article (or even a mainstream article) about how this isn't as new as current coverage makes it seem (as is, indeed, true of so many things that are only new to people who haven't lived long enough yet, which (granted) is sometimes most of us) and get it published in a reliable source so we can cite it and incorporate your research into the article. Otherwise it's just, well, original research. Daniel Case (talk) 02:21, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I said in my first reply, some of the material I recommend adding already appears in the sources you used, but you didn't frame it that way. Instead, you assumed that "Republican makeup" refers to "the way women who support or work for Donald Trump apply their cosmetics". That is only one recent use of the term. This subject has been discussed many times before outside that context and both the lead and the article are framed in a way that ignores this overarching topic. Essentially, this is an example of recentism. Journalism, Gender and Power (2019) repeats what The Atlantic found above, noting how Fox News emphasizes what they call "Fox glam": "Women in Fox's largely conservative audience are less squeamish than progressive ones about exploiting their looks". This is the larger phenomenon that I've been referring to, and it's been under discussion for at least 15 years in this context, but also greatly predates it other contexts. For example, this came up before with the discussion about the objectification of Republican Sarah Palin. Heflick & Goldenberg 2011 noted that this subject had been studied in the 1980s and 1990s, with researchers finding "makeup usage leads men and women to rate women as less competent" and "evidence that women's attractiveness and sexualization hurts them when they apply for, or obtain, high status jobs". The researchers discovered that this kind of focus on Palin's appearance (of which makeup was one factor) led to her dehumanization and sense of being unfit for the job of VP. This is not original research. It is part of the "cosmetics dehumanization hypothesis" that Republican makeup trends appear to use. Conservative Christian writer Georgi Boorman was discussing this in 2020.[5]Viriditas (talk) 03:09, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Mar-a-Lago face: Given the resistance to making this part of a larger topic on the aesthetic, I think it's best to just merge whatever is salvageable here into a subsection of Mar-a-Lago face per this source. Per Wikipedia: "Mar-a-Lago face is a plastic surgery and fashion trend among American conservative and Republican women to modify their faces with 'detectable' surgery, excessive makeup, fake tans, and 'fake eyelashes, with dark smokey eyes and full lips'". It's obvious that Mar-a-Lago face is the parent topic and at 5283 characters (796 words) is ripe for a merge of this article at 12022 characters (1904 words). Combining the two results in almost the perfect size and topic coverage. I can't imagine any reason for two different articles on the same topic at this time. Viriditas (talk) 03:32, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article created on the same day as nom. Sufficient length. Solid English-language news sources with plenty of supporting Japanese articles. No neutrality issues present.
No issues from EARWIG check. Verifiability/copyvio spot-checks: 2b ✓, 7 ✓, 8b ✓, 12b ✓, 21 ✓, 25 ✓.
Article is presentable and well-written. QPQ completed.
For the hook, ALT1 is interesting and supported by the citation here and in the article. However, it needs to be reworded for grammar. I would suggest something like: "...that the solar farms in Kushiro are so expansive that locals refer to them as a 'sea of mega solar farms'?"
... that sound recordings did not gain federal copyright protection in the United States until 1972?
Source: "Congress brought sound recordings within the scope of federal copyright law for the first time on February 15, 1972." (U.S. Copyright Office report, page 5)
Overall: New AFC draft moved to mainspace within the appropriate time; long enough. Sourcing is missing in at least five separate instances, although this has the appearance of an oversight that can easily be corrected. Earwig is returning some unusual hits, but again, this reads like an oversight; did you forget to use quotes or add sources at the ends of quotes? That's what it looks like to me. The use of quotations in the headings seems to go against the MOS in my mind, although there might be exceptions that I am not familiar with here. @Voorts: I noticed the discussion about the title on the talk page. Has this been addressed or solved? Viriditas (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Voorts: Thank you. Out of curiosity, have you had a chance to read the article? I read a lot of articles and this one is somewhat strange to me. I don't know if it is because I am personally hostile to legalese or if I am experiencing an intuitive response to something else that my conscious mind can't identify. It would help if someone else takes a look. Viriditas (talk) 21:57, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The review of the main source by Esculenta, the GA reviewer, appears to be sufficiently thorough to establish that the article does not suffer from any close paraphrasing issues; Earwig's Copyvio Detector certainly does not detect any. AirshipJungleman29 nominated the article shortly after it was promoted to GA. Both hooks are a bit problematic for me. The main hook is a bit wordy (classification classifies) and it implies that the Baltimore classification is no longer used alongside standard evolutionary taxonomy, a claim which I do not see in the article. The lack of direct quotes from the sources does not help. ALT1 is problematic because the lead paragraph mentions seven groups, not two; and even if these seven groups form two supergroups, the prominent reference to seven groups would almost certainly raise eyebrows. I also suspect that the most interesting hook could be produced from Baltimore_classification#Evolutionary_origins_and_relations. Surtsicna (talk) 12:29, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Strong preference for ALT0b, especially since I nominated Ben Roberts-Smith for DYK a few months ago and it was rejected. Refer to Template:Did you know nominations/Ben Roberts-Smith. Roberts-Smith's avenues for appeal have now expired with the High Court refusing leave to hear his appeal. I would really appreciate if Ben Roberts-Smith article is bolded in the first hook given I already provided QPQ for it. I'm able to provide additional QPQ if required for a double bolded hook. If consensus to permit ALT0b is not present in the DT:DYK discussion I started then please run hook ALT0a as my preference.
Improved to Good Article status by TarnishedPath (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.
Fair enough, I must have missed that comment. I'm willing to give McKenzie a full review, but I would first like to ask TarnishedPath: are you open to Roberts-Smith not being a bolded link, or is his article not being bolded non-negotiable? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:45, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't that. I've just been busy over the last few days that I haven't had the time to take a good look at this. I also got scared by the fact that the article is semi'd indefinitely, which spooked me a bit. Anyway, the article was indeed a new GA and I did not find any close paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been done. Among the hooks proposed, the "trial of the century" hook is the best option. However, after thinking about this for a bit, I'm leaning more in favor towards not mentioning Roberts-Smith at all in the hook. The focus is supposed to be on McKenzie, and just saying he won the "trial of the century" is enough. Basically, the fact that it was against Roberts-Smith is a less important/essential detail that could easily be deleted. So something like "... that in 2023, Australian lawyer Nick McKenzie(pictured) won what was dubbed 'the trial of the century'?" is something I would approve. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:15, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I stated above that I was open to the possibility of Roberts-Smith, not being bolded, but I think that any possible other hook would need to be a cracker to be more interesting than the current ALT0b. That McKenzie beat Roberts-Smith is part of what makes it as interesting, not just that it was dubbed the trial of the century. TarnishedPathtalk07:18, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is that not all readers know who Roberts-Smith is, so to an uninterested reader who only sees the hook and does not have background knowledge, saying that he beat Roberts-Smith specifically is the interesting point may not really be the case. Sure, we could include some brief context about Roberts-Smith to make that point clearer, but not only would it make the hook longer, it would re-open a can of worms that was already discussed in the last nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:07, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5. Anyone who doesn't know who Roberts-Smith is, is less likely to know who McKenzie is. That's why we run hooks on DYK, to introduce readers to topics and hopefully get views. I went to WT:DYK prior to presenting the double hook in this nomination and even edited it to remove—what some thought were—extraneous words and obtained consensus to run the a double hook. I think it is only fair that this nomination be assessed on that consensus. Do I need to request a new reviewer? TarnishedPathtalk11:29, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thinking about this, it might for the best to have an uninvolved editor (i.e. someone who wasn't involved in the WT:DYK discussion, meaning neither I nor Launchabller) make the final decision. Personally, I still do not think that Roberts-Smith's name is essential to the hook fact as I think that the "trial of the century" fact is the main hook fact, but if an uninvolved editor approves the hook I will no longer object.
In the interest of compromise, given that there was consensus for a one-time IAR exemption, and how ALT4 mostly solves my original "non-essential" issue, I'd be okay with some variant of ALT4. The issue is that ALT4's wording is a bit awkward at the moment and doesn't flow as well as it should given that it is like McKenzie's name was tacked onto the hook. Maybe it could be reworded further to make McKenzie's mention feel more natural? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5, here's a couple of variations. The first is just a reordering/rewording of ALT4 and the second removes any mention of murder in the case of WP:DYKHOOKBLP/WP:BLP concerns. There really shouldn't be any concerns given that this has now been to the high court of Australia and it is a heavy focus of the article, but I'll present the hook in the interest of moving this forward.
I'd be okay with either. I'm not really sure if we need to link to Besanko or to substantial truth (I'm more of a link minimalist when it comes to hooks), but that will be up for the promoter and reviewer to decide. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:09, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New enough, long enough, boldlinked articles are presentable, hook is short ennough but not terribly interesting, QPQ is done. How would this work?
ALT2: ... that Pedro Berroeta Morales, a diplomat and later president of a Venezuelan television channel, has also written fiction and essays ranging from science to esotericism? García Castro, Álvaro A. (2002). Pedro Berroeta. Caracas: Fundación Empresas Polar. Retrieved 13 September 2025.
@Maximilian775: you cannot approve an alternative hook that you proposed yourself. A review by an uninvolved editor is necessary. Maximilian775 and @Piotrus:, I agree that ALT0 is uninteresting, but I like ALT2. However, the source in the article for the claim is not available without an Academia account. Per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, can you provide a quotation (and translation) from the source material that verifies the hook fact in ALT2? Thanks! (PS I also made cosmetic adjustments to ALT2.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:20, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that at the same time he played in the NFL, Red Seidelson(pictured) worked as a dentist? Source: same
ALT2: ... that NFL player Red Seidelson(pictured) reportedly had such a reputation as a fighter that police officers sometimes asked him to come with them as "insurance" if they expected "any sticky situations"? Source: same
@BeanieFan11 and WikiOriginal-9: Article recently promoted to GA. QPQ good. Earwig checks out. Photo is in the public domain and works well at size. ALT0 is tricky because for someone outside of the US, there's no context for if that's a lot or not. ALT1 and ALT2 are interesting, but I have concerns about the reliability of the source jewsinsports.org, which seems to be WP:RS/SPS/WP:SPS. Can alternate sources be found? ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs03:32, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, the Jews in Sports page cites references for the dentist claim, although they are obviously all offline and I have been unable to find any more sources about the claim online (or really, much sources about Seidelson in general). Given the circumstances, the fact that the page actually has references, and how the claim is not contentious, I'd be inclined to accept the reference this time. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:25, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Encyclopedia of Football is available on Archive.org and barely mentions Seidelson; The Encyclopedia of Jews in Sports has a short entry that doesn't support any of the hooks, and Total Football is similar: birthdate, high school, death date, a few stats; nothing about dentistry, police insurance, or 40 games in a season. However, I did find a newspaper article (clipped by BeanieFan11, actually) that mentions concurrent dentistry with his time on the Frankford Yellow Jackets. With that, I'd be willing to approve ALT1 if that was used as the source. Given that each of the sources mentioned by JewsInSports barely talk about Seidelson, however, I am a bit uncomfortable with all the citations to JewsInSports in the article. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs15:45, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What does the Encyclopedia of Jews in Sports say about him? Based on one part of the website's Seidelson entry, I would guess that they probably got some of the information from interviewing his grandson. Also, the source is published by the American Jewish Historical Society, which I would imagine is probably a reliable source? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:57, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The entirety of his entry in the EoJiS is: SEIDELSON, HARRY. U. of Pittsburgh, guard, 1921-23. Played professionally with Frankford Yellow Jackets 1925, Akron Steels 1926. Dr. L. H. Baker rated him as one of the All-Time Pitt guards. During the 1925 season Seidelson played on the Pitt All-Stars which defeated the Red Grange-led Chicago Bears 24-0. Being published by the AJHS is a point in the favor of JewsInSports, but I'm still wary. You might try posting at WP:RS/N to ask, but it really would be best, in my opinion, to find other sources to back up the claims made by it. I'm striking ALT0 and ALT2, but will approve ALT1 if the sentence in the article can be reworded to use the Drum newspaper article source instead of JewsInSports. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs16:28, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Thank you for a courageous and balanced article about a book which appears to have the same qualities. I have mentioned a few examples below in which the article's existing balance can be strengthened.
Due to the controversial nature of the subject matter, the article must be clear about quotes and sources, so we must keep our distance from sources, and be tougher than usual over minor elements of copyvio. Please put the following phrases in quotation marks, and credit them individually with citations: 1, "personal, historical, philosophical and revolutionary", 2. "against the injustices", 3. "destruction of schools, universities, museums, churches, mosques, and even cemeteries", 4. "do everything in their power to combat". The issue is not primarily about the minor plagiarism here: it's about keeping a professional distance from sources, even though we may share those opinions.
Please check the article carefully for examples of opinions about the book, and make sure that every opinion is openly (i.e. in the body text) credited to the person or publication who/which gave the opinion.Storye book (talk) 10:47, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
*Actually I did not write most of it, it was a rescued AFC draft. I went back through and deleted a few sentences that could be constructed as opinion based. I think everything else is clearly attributed. Storye book, thank you for reviewing. (t · c) buidhe15:22, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: that the 2025 book The World After Gaza was deemed both "repugnant" and "monstrous" for being both overly and insufficiently critical of Israel?
Thank you, Buidhe. It looks well-balanced to me, now. Good to go with ALTs 0 and 1. (I have added a suggested ALT0a with the inserted word, "both" for clarity - that can be also used if approved by a third party.). Storye book (talk) 15:52, 25 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
: This book is unique in its kind because it is the first time an Indian has addressed the issues of Israel and Palestine. Why is respecting to wp:pov not observed in both the hooks? Why is there an intention to disparage the book when this book has also received positive feedback.GolsaGolsa (talk) 07:55, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understood the hooks to be balanced politically, but of course that depends on how one perceives the politics. On this subject, we are never going to be able to convince everybody that everything we write is balanced. Looking at the critics and the book only:
* ALT2 ... that the critic Johny Stanly said that the 2025 book, The World After Gaza, was a compelling examination of the moral failings of a violent past and present. (Source: citation is next to the fact in the article).
FWIW being criticized by "both sides" could be interpreted positively as achieving objectivity and not shying away from inconvenient facts glossed over by partisans. That was why the initial hook was proposed. (t · c) buidhe12:23, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
^ ALT4 is not appropriate for two reasons. (1) it fails DYK interest requirements, and (b) it could be interpreted as a perception from one political/religious aspect only, which in turn could be interpreted as non-neutral. Storye book (talk) 18:36, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Long enough. New enough. Reliable citations throughout. GA article. Copyright violation unlikely (7.4%) per Earwig. The hook is cited but too long/not on point. You should rewrite it so that Tropical Storm Pabuk is at the center of attention.
... that Bijal P. Trivedi wrote a book about how cystic fibrosis went from a "death sentence" of children to a manageable, non-fatal condition due to new drugs that brought “weeping with joy”?
Source: "Science journalist Trivedi debuts with a glowing account of how Boston businessman Joe O’Donnell, after losing a son to cystic fibrosis in 1986, raised hundreds of millions for the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, which pioneered the use of “venture philanthropy” for drug discovery. Trivedi covers low points in O’Donnell’s story (early on, when still struggling to keep his son alive, O’Donnell had “a sick child gasping for breath, a mortgage, no job, no health insurance, and no backup plan”) as well as his triumphs, as he became a powerful businessman and worked with the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation to fund groundbreaking research. Most notably, this included a well-placed investment in Vertex Pharmaceuticals, which in 2012 pioneered the first of several treatments involving drugs matched to patients’ individual gene mutations. Elaborating on the science as well as the business behind the fight against cystic fibrosis, Trivedi captures the emotions of the families, doctors, and scientists involved in the clinical trials and their “weeping with joy” as new drugs are approved, and shows how cystic fibrosis, once a “death sentence,” became, for many, a manageable condition. This is a rewarding and challenging work.""
Sorry, yeah, I assumed the DYK / article was an American-centric one from it's topic, that's why I chose that one. I'm totally neutral either way, I just think it works more effectively with two links tying it together. — Very Polite Person (talk/contribs)23:01, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is anyone concerned about the use of "may"? It can be used to indicate permission. "Yes, you may use this information this way." Would "has been used" be clearer? Valereee (talk) 12:58, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support running it on TDOR, it's outside six weeks from the nom but as long as there's no opposition to it. RE: the use of may, I think it's necessary given that we can't definitively say what the rationales of people spreading this are. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "These two archaeologists gave an immediate edge to the initial development of North Korean archaeology. In addition, proper law system on cultural heritage preservation boosted new archaeological tasks [...] murals, were found and excavated at the Anak area around Pyeongyang City (K. Lee, 1990: 109). Interpretation of these excavation results emphasized the eradication of Japanese imperialistic legacy and propelled spiritual resuscitation of the Korean people. This agenda combined with the struggle for power by Kim Il-sung was propagated among North Koreans in order to make them believe that communist North Korea solely assumes historical legitimacy/supremacy over South Korea. The final result of this agenda burst into an undeclared war in 1950." Yoo, Yongwook (2016). "A Story of Their Own: What Happened and What is Going on with North Korean Archaeology?". Archaeology of the Communist Era. Springer Science+Business Media. doi:10.1007/978-3-319-45108-4_11. ISBN 9783319451060. pages 281 and 282
Overall: Excellent article! New enough, long enough, well sourced to papers, neutral. Earwig said 13.8%, due to the source repeating over and over the words. It's epic that the QPQ is being displayed in the main page right now. I'll suggest hooks down here. Earth605talk13:51, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per definiton, everything an independent country does needs to be after independence, aka Korean War. I would suggest:
... that the courtyard of Fort George(pictured) was the site of the 19 October 1983 execution of Maurice Bishop, prime minister of Grenada?
Source: "When Bishop’s confinement became broadly known, thousands of his ardent supporters marched on his home on 19 October and set him free. Bishop next led the crowd to bloodlessly seize control of Fort Rupert, the island’s military headquarters. Other Grenadian regular Army soldiers loyal to the Coard faction then were dispatched in three armored vehicles to retake the fort and recapture Bishop. Shooting started when the soldiers faced off with Bishop’s supporters at the fort’s entrance. Three soldiers and at least eight civilians were killed in the ensuing melee and panic that also injured about 100 other civilians. The surviving soldiers captured Bishop, three of his ministers, and four other loyal supporters and led them away to a walled courtyard. Shortly after, the eight were executed in cold blood by a firing squad of soldiers who (according to subsequent court testimony) declared they were acting under the orders of the Central Committee" from: Kukielski, Philip G. (1 September 2021). "Secret Mission of Urgent Fury". U.S. Naval Institute.
Oh, yes. I had forgotten about this one. ALTs below:
ALT1: ... the courtyard of Fort George(pictured) was the site of the execution of Maurice Bishop, prime minister of Grenada?
Source: as above
Fort George
ALT2: ... the 18th-century Fort George(pictured) in Grenada was renamed after the father of the 20th-century communist prime minister Maurice Bishop?
Source: "During the Grenada Revolution it was renamed Fort Rupert in honour of revolutionary leader Maurice Bishop’s slain father, Rupert Bishop." from: "The renaming epidemic". The New Today. 29 June 2024. Retrieved 18 September 2025.
Comment: I cleared this article in January as none of it was sourced, and promptly forgot I'd done that until a week ago, when ITV uploaded an episode of The Price is Right to ITVX for its 70th birthday. I'm not sure what 5x starts from, so I've also nominated this for GA and am happy to go through WP:GARC if necessary. Also, The X Factor was the most watched UK programme of the 2010s, so I'd expect a broad audience to have heard of it (it's certainly going to mean more than the name alone).
5x expanded by Launchballer (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 325 past nominations.
Not a review, but while "bombastic" adds flavor to the hook and will probably get it more attention, I'm not sure if it would hold up to scrutiny. For one, it's only one source (The Independent) that calls him as such, so I don't think we can describe him as "bombastic" in Wikivoice. At best, "bombastic" may have to be in quotes (although that may still not be enough for the attribution police); otherwise, his name may have to be spelled out in full instead as the safest option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:10, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Sławomir has been described as the "king" of the fusion genre rock-polo? Source: Pilawski, Patrycjusz (7 January 2018). "OJ UW - rock polo". nowewyrazu.uw.edu.pl. University of Warsaw. Archived from the original on 10 August 2020. Retrieved 20 September 2025. Gatunek muzyczny łączący elementy rocka i disco polo [...] "Sławomir, król nietypowego nurtu muzycznego, rock-polo, rozgrzał wczoraj nowogrodzką publiczność do czerwoności"
For me, the article meets the nomination criteria (technically, 7 days and a few hours from creation to nomination, but close enough). It is well-designed and very well-documented. For an image, I would suggest this Dieckmann erich moebelbau 1931, which has been published very frequently, as it is his book. (On https://imjustcreative.com/erich-dieckmann-metal-tube-chair/2019/12/15, for example) and a new beginning Erich Dieckmann designed furniture that grew organically and wasn't cobbled together—from an elephant's body, a bay leaf, a spider's leg, if you will. (from his quote) (talk) Birkho (talk) 08:20, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Birkho: I'm confused why you have left a review here. Maybe it is different on dewiki, but on enwiki the DYK process only requires a single reviewer, and it's generally best for the reviewer not to be someone who has been a major contributor to the article. I suggest you strike your review (or at least remove the symbol) to avoid confusion. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:44, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Hello, yes, it's different here on dewiki. You can make suggestions and participate in the discussion, and the best introduction and image will be chosen. One question: Why does the image have licensing issues, given that it's available on Wikipedia Commons? Can I help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birkho (talk • contribs)
Article is new enough (technically 7 days and a few hours from creation to nomination, but close enough) and long enough. It is well-sourced, neutral, copyvio-free, and presentable. A new hook is needed (see WP:HOOK) – the current hook is improperly formatted, does not appear in the article, and is not verified by the given citation. I am also concerned about the image – the source is a non-functional link with no further details, making it impossible to verify that it was actually anonymously published. Either a correct link that verifies the anonymous publication needs to be found, or the image should be removed from this nomination. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:52, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ariegel: The revised hook is better, but it appears to be a broad summation of the article rather than a specific fact that is included in the article. The claimed source is not used in the article and does not contain any information other than birth/death dates. Additionally, the copyright issue with the image has not been resolved. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:44, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: Hello again, here a new proposal: another picture by Erich Dieckmann; or one of his stylish chairs, which is my recommendation, the photo is public domain. Both pictures are shown in the link, hope this helps. * Light club chair 1926 Erich Dieckmann
And here is a new hook (this is the heart of the matter): Did you know that Erich Dieckmann, one of the most productive and innovative furniture designers of the Bauhaus is almost forgotten today?Ariegel (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Hi there. I did not use ChatGPT to write the reply or the article, btw I am an expert for the bauhaus movement and don't need AI for this matter :) I did ask ChatGPT if my formating is right, because I messed it up, and Pi.1415926535 did not respond to my call for help but fortunately another experienced Wikipedian (a human) could help me.
@Launchballer: Hi there. I didn't want to interfere with the nomination and wasn't familiar with your rules, but Ariegel asked me for support, since we're both working on this Erich Dieckmann project. You've already read that we take a different approach on dewiki. Now the question: why was Ariegel's post considered vandalism? What do you want to delete, and what happens next? Please clear up any misunderstandings. Which hook and which image will be selected, since this is the issue at hand! I kindly ask for your support, and if I can help, please ping me!Birkho (talk) 09:08, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "Wikipedia:Did you know nominations/..." page wasn't vandalism, but was a duplicate (nominations belong at "Template:Did you know nominations/...") and was deleted as housekeeping. I will examine the hooks at a later date.--Launchballer00:33, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Delmass cave features a 14-metre-tall (46 ft) stone façade with multiple levels of windows and arrowslits built into the cliffside? Source: Frangieh 2014 & Baroudi 1998
ALT1: ... that local legends claim “bandit-monks” once lived in the Delmass cave, shoeing their horses backwards to mislead pursuers? Source: Baroudi 1998
The article is new enough (promoted to GA on 29 September 2025), is long enough (7154 characters of prose), has no apparent copyright issues (per GA review), and is presentable (per GA review and readthrough). The hook is cited, short enough, and interesting. Looking at the source, I understand that Penaranda didn't ride llamas, that this was a myth started by one old photo of him with a llama, but I don't think it says anything about his enjoyment of riding llamas. Could you reword the hook so it is better supported by the source or come up with an alternative hook? QPQ is done. – Editør (talk) 09:28, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Webber, Christopher (2002). The Zarzuela Companion. Maryland: Scarecrow Press, Inc. p. 33. ISBN 0-8108-4447-8.
Reviewed: [[]]
Comment: I technically did my first large update to the page 8 days ago, but I did not know of DYK criteria before then and I've been doing a large-scale rewrite of the page over the course of the past week. I still have more I want to do, but for now, I'd like to nominate it for inclusion in DYK while its still somewhat eligible.
5x expanded by The Robot Parade (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Thank you for submitting this article to DYK. However, it does not seem like a 5x expansion was accomplished within seven days of the nomination, nor has any 5x expansion been done at all. My suggestion would be to nominate the article for good article status, then to nominate it for DYK again within seven days of this passing. As you are still a relative newcomer to DYK, I suggest that you read the guidelines once again: if you want to expand an article with the intent of nominating it for DYK, keep the "5x expansion within seven days" rule in mind. I also suggest installing the DYKcheck tool to see if you have been able to do a 5x expansion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:13, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As best I can determine, the article had 1227 prose characters prior to the recent expansion, and has 4742 characters at the moment, just shy of a 4x expansion. A 5x expansion would require 6135 prose characters, or an additional 1393 prose characters, though if those were immediately forthcoming, it is possible that the review could resume. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:21, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Is the year needed in the hook? Also, the details about the differences between the two HIV storylines (the relatively recent one that Nambiar worked on and the original 1991 story) is the most interesting thing of all, and creating a hook about that would be incredible. Viriditas (talk) 21:25, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DraconicDark: This article looks to be in mostly very good shape. It was recently translated from the German Wikipedia article, which met their equivalent of a Good Article review. No issues with copyright violations, plagiarism, Original Research, NPOV violations, or other policy concerns that would be a dealbreaker for DYK. This is the editor's first DYK so no review is required for QPQ.I do see several issues for DYK guidelines that are all fixable. First, the article uses a mixture of inline citations and general references. WP:DYKCITE says that body content outside of the lead and other summaries "must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph". So for example, the section Vindelev Hoard#Discovery is mostly fine, but the source for "The ensemble is of exceptional archaeological importance. No other saucer-sized gold discs like those from Vindelev have been found to date. The craftsmanship of the jewelry also surpasses that of other finds." is currently not cited inline (I assume it is one of the general references at the bottom of the page). To run on DYK, sections like that will need to be followed with an inline citation. The two hook facts "should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear to meet WP:DYKHFC. For example, the plowing citation looks reliable and backs up the hook fact, but it is currently only a general reference and not cited inline. Finally, the hook and article should both match the source regarding the "oldest known reference" to Odin. Right now the article hedges with "may be". So overall this is nearly there and already quite solid. When you're ready for me to take another look, or if you have any questions, feel free to {{ping}} me here. Rjjiii (talk) 22:56, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Apologies for the late response, I have had a busy last couple of weeks and haven't had a chance to get to this. I have started working on it now, and should hopefully get it done this week. DraconicDark (talk) 16:05, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DraconicDark:ALT1 now has the same citation to verify it here and in the article. I suspect this is the more likely of the two to be promoted as the other is a superlative hook that could be disproven by some earlier artifact. The original hook can be verified by the source, but if it's chosen, the article should be tweaked to use the same level of certainty in the language. There are still some passages missing an inline citation in the article. Let me know if you need help finding sources, or finding the places that still need citations, or anything like that. After those passages are cited, I'll approve this, and it can be promoted, Rjjiii (talk) 06:53, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rjjiii: Thank you for your continued feedback. I would appreciate if you could tell me which places still need citations, since a specific list would be helpful. I have been able to find most of the sources that were only general references, except for the Danish print source at the end of the Bibliography section (the chapter from Magt og Guld – Vikinger i Øst), which I could prove the existence of but the book does not appear to exist as an ebook. DraconicDark (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rjjiii: An update: I have gone through and added citations for some of the tags. Most of the remaining ones should be doable, as they either should be verifiable from the general refs or are trivialities I can remove if I can't cite them, but there's one section that is giving me a bit of trouble with finding citations. I suspect it may be from the book I was having trouble finding. DraconicDark (talk) 20:36, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DraconicDark: Thanks for looking into it! I have cited that section but you're welcome to double-check me as I'm not finding sources in English. Feel free to reach out, either to me or on talk pages, if any of the other passages are troublesome. Rjjiii (talk) 01:32, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Cheney Lively was the first Black property owner and permanent resident of Indianapolis, Indiana?
Source: Scott, Kate (2020). "Cheney Lively: A Black Woman on the Indiana Frontier". Traces of Indiana and Midwestern History. Vol. 32, no. 2. pp. 29–37
Reviewed:
Created by Ssafder (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
This is not a review, but per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, "first" hooks are now discouraged on DYK unless such claims have airtight sourcing. Right now, the claim that Lively was the first black permanent resident of Indianapolis is unreferenced; however, even if it was, the claim is so exceptional that it is unlikely to gain consensus. Please propose a different hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:33, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Cheney Lively was the only Black female head of household in Indianapolis listed in the 1830 census?
Source: Scott, Kate (2020). "Cheney Lively: A Black Woman on the Indiana Frontier". Traces of Indiana and Midwestern History. Vol. 32, no. 2. pp. 29–37
New enough and long enough. QPQ present. Image is appropriately licensed. But there's a mismatch between the hook and article claim and the source, which merely says In addition to drying red clothes, the village also has traditional activities such as making sticky rice cakes, performing bamboo pole dances, and combing long hair. Nothing about a brand. This needs rectifying before proceeding, Toadboy123, as right now that sentence isn't supported properly. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 07:52, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: [11] «En la denominación de la compañía [...] el significado intrínseco de la palabra voltio» El “voltio” es la unidad [...] para medir el potencial eléctrico [...]. Translation: «In the name of the company [...] the intrinsical meaning of the word voltio» The volt is the unit [...] to measure the electric potential.
ALT1: ... that Voltio(cars pictured) has the biggest car fleet in Spain? Source: [12] Voltio se consolida como el servicio de coche compartido líder en España al poseer la mayor flota del país. Voltio consolidates itself as the leader of carsharing in Spain as it has the biggest fleet in the country.
ALT2: ... that Voltio's name derives from an expression that translates to "going for a walk"? Source: [13] [El nombre] se complementa con el significado coloquial 'darse un voltio', salir de algún lugar para dar una vuelta. [The name] complements with the coloquial meaning of 'darse un voltio', meaning to go for a walk.
@Earth605: Article is new and long enough, external policy compliant, and is presentable. The hooks are cited to reliable sources and are interesting. Images are freely licensed and a QPQ was carried out. ALT0 is a bit of a borderline case for interestingness; it's common for companies to be named after their industry and some may not find it interesting. ALT1 is a contentious claim; although the policy states that it's okay to have such hooks, it's a bit controversial these days to nominate such a hook, and it's a little promotional for my liking. I will approve ALT2, but the source says that the phrase complements the company's name, not that the company was named after that specific phrase (courtesy pinging Reverosie, who may be interested in this discussion). Icepinner03:14, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for reviewing! One detail. I did not need to do the QPQ, I just mentioned it cuz why not? About ALT0, the company is a carsharing company, not an electricity company. ALT1 was meant to be an image hook and ALT2 was the normal hook. ALT2 says that the name "derives" from the expression, which is not the same as it comes from it, but I understand your reasoning. IcepinnerEarth605talk15:37, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Earth605: Regarding ALT0, I am aware that this is a carsharing company. Reiterating my point, it's common for car companies, and car-sharing companies, to be named after things assoicated with their industry (example: Tesla is named after Nikola Tesla), so I considered it to be a borderline case. However, I am willing to seek out a third opinion for ALT0, if you're interested. The source of ALT2 says A su vez, se complementa con el significado coloquial 'darse un voltio', salir de algún lugar para dar una vuelta, which roughly translates to It is also complemented by the colloquial meaning of 'taking a little break,' which means going out for a walk, meaning it complements the phrase (makes the company's name "Voltio" look better, for a lack of a better word), not that it originated from that specfic phrase. I'm also willing to seek for a third opinion on this hook as well. Icepinner02:31, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Surtsicna: A (rather immature) reference to the concept of "glory hole" jokes [14], I suppose. Why this implies that "Glory Hole Park" is thought to lend itself to an April Fools' Day nomination is beyond me though. @Reviewer (won't be me): I suggest to just ignore this and review it like usual. Renerpho (talk) 06:28, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Galbraith, Stuart (2002). The Emperor and the Wolf:The Lives and Films of Akira Kurosawa and Toshiro Mifune. USA: Faber and Faber. p. 473. ISBN0-571-19982-8.
... that when advocating for the introduction of dental hygienists to New Zealand, Angela Pack(pictured) called the New Zealand Dental Council Board “lily-livered chickens”? Source: "...older practitioners did not want to delegate periodontal treatment to a hygienist... After huge initial enthusiasm from Board members, the chairman (an older practitioner) tactically deferred the vote on this critically important decision until the very end of a long and tiring meeting. Angela felt the momentum for hygienist training had evaporated. She therefore asked the male Board members “why they were behaving like a load of lily-livered chickens” when they had all been so enthusiastic the previous day"[1]
ALT1: ... that periodontist Angela Pack(pictured) called the New Zealand Dental Council Board “lily-livered chickens”? Source: as above
ALT2: ... that Angela Pack's(pictured) interview for a lectureship in New Zealand was conducted in a London pub? Source: "Angela applied for a Lectureship in Periodontology at the University of Otago in New Zealand, for which a notice had circulated at RDH. Allowable in those days, her interview was a lunch time chat in a smoke-filled pub with Professor Alister Smilie from Otago University, on sabbatical leave in London."[2]
When faced with the chores of filthy pots and pans, cutlery and crockery, a quick immersion into Bucktooth-infested waters works wonders in getting shot of those ground-in scraps of food, Brillo pad style."
Hi Quetzal1964, article is well enough written; cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources for the subject; image is good enough and appropriately licensed; I have a slight concern over the hook as the source prefaces it with "apparently", is there a more robust source that can be used or an alternative hook that can be proposed? I also don't think the article meets WP:DYKNEW at the moment. The pre-existing article at 2 June 2025 has 1352 characters, the current article measures, by my count 3,864 characters, still someway off the required 5x expansion. Can it be expanded further? - Dumelow (talk) 13:29, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dumelow When I started expanding this article it was almost completely without citations, so arguably it is a completely new article. I would struggle to get it to over 6000KB. I have given a more definite reference to the dish washing. Quetzal1964 (talk) 19:09, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Quetzal1964, I sympathise with your position as you have done great work expanding the article and fully citing it. Unfortunately DYK tends to be quite strict over the requirement for 5x expansion (see WP:5X); the only exception is if the pre-existing content was a copyright violation. You might try asking for a waiver for this article at Wikipedia talk:Did you know, but I have never seen one go through - Dumelow (talk) 05:54, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not comfortable with asserting that Tilly Norwood exists, actually. I'm also not comfortable with the article using gendered pronouns for the Tilly construct. DS (talk) 19:48, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your discomfort comes without justification and is inconsistent with you using the term "Tilly construct" for a subject you claim doesn't exist. If you're right then what are you talking about? This sentence exists, pictures exist, stories exist, your prejudice exists and line blurring metafictions like Tilly exist. 2A02:C7E:205B:3D00:ADF7:E53:C019:2ACB (talk) 09:30, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SAG-AFTRA's criticism of the character seems more significant than unnamed "multiple Hollywood actresses". Listing the names of notable actresses could also make it a better hook. FallingGravity01:58, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SAG-AFTRA isn't likely to mean anything to anyone unfamiliar with the industry. Naming the actresses might add interest, but I'm disinclined to go there given what happened at Michelle Pfeiffer (Ethel Cain song). As for the gendered pronouns, I've said my piece at the talk page, in as much that (in my opinion) avoiding their use would be silly.--Launchballer04:56, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We could run ALT2: ... that the talk page for Wikipedia's article about Tilly Norwood(pictured) has been described as "a fascinating window into the semantic debates that our society is facing more broadly" as a result of AI? on 15 January, Wikipedia's 25th. (I'm guessing I can't nominate a talk page and run it as a double nom?)--Launchballer14:42, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(seeing this DYK on the article TP). I do think that ALT1 is very good - this whole area is scary, but that is the point and that hook captures it perfectly. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:23, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I strongly object to this item appearing on DYK at all. Documenting the existence of "TillyNorwood.exe", sure. Taking any further steps to promote it in the public consciousness and thereby boost its commercial viability — and don't bullshit yourself, that's exactly what this would be doing — no. Same reason we don't have DYKs on political candidates when they're running for office. DS (talk) 15:12, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, WP:DYKNOT dictates that we must not provide inappropriate advantage for commercial/political causes. It also says "it is fine to cover topics of commercial or political interest". Norwood is not a cause.-Launchballer07:52, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you're convinced that you absolutely must slobber in adulation all over Xicoia/Particle6, fine. ALT1b: that the creation of Tilly Norwood(pictured) has been described as "really, really scary"?
... that the "No Toilet, No Bride" campaign encouraged women to demand a toilet as a precondition for marriage?
Source: Stopnitzky, Yaniv (2017-07-01). "No toilet no bride? Intrahousehold bargaining in male-skewed marriage markets in India". Journal of Development Economics. 127: 269–282. doi:10.1016/j.jdeveco.2017.04.003. ISSN 0304-3878.
Source: From the Grammys website: "According to the book Coldplay: Look at the Stars, 'Politik' was heavily inspired by the September 11 attacks." [15]
From the book "Look at the Stars" by Gary Spivack (p. 80): "Many of the new songs, including 'Politik,' were a direct result of the events of 9/11. In interviews, Martin will say 'Politik' is an 'ode' to 9/11 and how life cannot be taken for granted." [16]
ALT1: ... that the Coldplay song "Politik" was written on September 11, 2001, and recorded two days later? Source: From the book "Look at the Stars" by Gary Spivack (p. 80): "Martin will say 'Politik' is an 'ode' to 9/11 and how life cannot be taken for granted. 'I wrote the song on 9/11 and we recorded it on 9/13. We were all, like everyone else I suppose, a little confused and frightened.'" [17]
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Comment: One thing I am uncertain about — the article uses DMY dates, so how should dates be formatted in the hook? I assume MDY is fine as that is how 9/11 is known. Also, I should note — for some bizarre reason, the entirety of the book "Look at the Stars" misspells Politik as "Politix." It's unfortunate because, otherwise, the book is incredibly well-researched and features extensive interviews with the band, but I just wanted to flag that as a reviewer may notice as they check the sources. I assume it is some kind of formatting error in the book. I have spelled the song correctly above for the purpose of clarity. Hope that is OK! Finally, I noticed the copyvio score is fairly high but I believe it is a false positive due to the use of quotes... I think that's OK?
Converted from a redirect by Veggiegalaxy (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Regarding the sourcing, I don't see any mentions at WP:SCHOLARSHIP that says that Bachelor theses are unreliable. I admit that there were too many positive quotes, but as of my comment, I think that these concerns have been dealt with. If on its own the hook does not provide enough context, it could be added that she was also for 28 years, the last Ecuadorian tennis player to qualify for the Olympics (e.g. "...that María Cabrera was the first Ecuadorian table tennis player to participate in the Olympics and became the last to do so until 28 years later?"), since that's pretty much what she's most famous for. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Taylor Swift reimagined the fate of Shakespeare's Ophelia by saving her from tragedy, and portraying her in the music video which was presented theatrically?
@Bogazicili: If you have time it would be great if you or any other native speaker could expand tr:Vikipedi:Güvenilir kaynaklar/Mütemadi kaynaklar - I can't speak for the nominator but sometimes it is hard for me to judge the quality of a foreign language source. Having said that I should be able to fix a few of the English language cites - for example I don't know Agenzia Nova but hopefully would be able to find a source I know to be reliable for the minister's statement. Are there claims in the article you find particularly important which are poorly cited? Chidgk1 (talk) 12:38, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Tzuyang has a stomach size 40% larger than others of her size, helping her to stay slender despite binge eating constantly? Source: "Doctors have revealed that her stomach is 40 per cent larger than the average size for someone of her stature, and even exceeds that of many adult men." SCMP
ALT1 ... that Tzuyang started streaming herself binge-eating online to finance her large appetite? Source: "쯔양은 지난해 한 방송에 출연해 "대학 시절 자취를 하면서 생활비가 부족할 정도로 식비가 나가다 보니까 주변에서 먹방을 해보라고 추천했고 사실 하루 만원만 벌면 좋겠다는 마음으로 시작했다". (Google translation: Tzuyang appeared on a broadcast last year and said, "When I was living alone in college, I had to spend so much money on food that I didn’t even have enough money to live on, so people around me recommended that I try mukbang. I actually started it with the thought that it would be nice to earn just 10,000 won a day,")" Maeil
ALT2 ... that Tzuyang turned to mukbang after struggling to pay for her daily expenses while living alone as a college student? (same source as ALT1)
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ALT0 seems medically dubious and doesn't make sense. Having a large stomach would make it possible to eat more at once, but how is it related to calorie expenditure? (t · c) buidhe19:10, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not only that but it seems like ALT1 may fail verification based on the quote provided, since it says she needed money for living expenses. (t · c) buidhe22:27, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: The Television [ja] (link): （『エヴァンゲリオン』の中で）ミサトさんがシンジ君を見守るように、すず子には雀さんを見守っていてほしいですし、私の幼少期から人生にかけて、ずっとそばにいた『セーラームーン』のように、すず子には雀さんのそばにいてほしいなという思いからお願いしました。[Just as Misato (from Evangelion) watches over Shinji, I wanted Suzuko to watch over Suzume, and just like how Sailor Moon was always by my side in my childhood, I wanted Suzuko to be by Suzume's side, so I asked [Kotono Mitsuishi].]
I disagree, personally. I think having a PS4 version release several months after the PS5 version an interesting fact since it's typically the other way around. However, I'm not that fussed if that's your decision. TheBritinator (talk) 10:30, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not uncommon for versions on hardware which has lower performance to be released later (if at all). Baldur's Gate 3, for example, was released on XBox some time after it was released on everything else because of issues they had trying to get it to run well on XBox Series S. TarnishedPathtalk11:15, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How about ALT1: "that despite technical issues, a critic described My Time at Sandrock as better in almost every way than its predecessor?" I thought that its rare for games to be released on the newer gen first before the older gen. The PS5 and Xbox Series X/S are part of the same gen. JuniperChill (talk) 20:36, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You'd want to hope a game was better than its predecessor. Looking at the article I see that one reviewer described it as "a compelling and lusciously detailed life simulator". That seems more interesting. TarnishedPathtalk04:53, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Lick Creek African American Settlement". www.fs.usda.gov. April 14, 2025. Archived from the original on October 1, 2025. Retrieved 2025-07-09.
ALT1: ... that a graveyard near Paoli, Indiana is the only standing evidence of the integrated Lick Creek, Indiana settlement? Source: Robbins, Coy (1994). Forgotten Hoosiers: African Heritage in Orange County, Indiana. Bowie, Maryland: Heritage Books. pg. 28. ISBN 0788400177.
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Source: "Mbuyi Bipungu was born in the Democratic Republic of Congo and served as a Roman Catholic priest before being received into the Anglican Church of the Congo in 2014.... Besides being a francophone, Mbuyi Bipungu is fluent in three Congolese languages (he spoke Lingala as a child at home) and is conversant in Haitian Creole and English."
Comment: The subject is likely to be the newest bishop for the duration of the DYK review/approval process as no elections or consecrations are scheduled in the coming months.
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Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.
Not a full review (not familiar with the sourcing in this area), but Alt0 isn't backed up by the source. Your L1 is a language you acquire, essentially, at a young age - which in Mbuyi Bipungu's case is going to be Lingala and likely French or another Congolese language. Your L2 is, essentially, any language you learn that isn't your native one. (So "did not speak English as his first, second" would visit ERRORS) Sometimes people wrangle out a definition of third language acquisition, but when they do it refers to the acquisition of a language by somebody who is already multi-lingual, and it's not exactly always consistent and is pretty much a subsection of second language acquisition. If I had to make up a definition of "fifth language", I'd say people would expect it to be the language that somebody learnt, well, fifth - which the source doesn't back up. (Also, the source doesn't say when he learnt English, so as far as I know it could be his first language, he could just be really bad at it. I mean, I don't think it is given that he grew up in the DRC, but I know plenty of people who are very weak in their L1.) GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋20:50, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that the 2025 Australian federal election was the first time since 2004 that an Australian Prime Minister had won a second term? Source:https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cevdw14r1mgt "Anthony Albanese's re-election makes him the first Australian prime minister to win back-to-back elections since John Howard in 2004."
This is not a review, but the hook does not appear to meet WP:DYKMAJOR as it seems to focus more on Cosi fan tutte (or more specifically a production of it that she directed), rather than Clément herself. Do you have any other hook proposals? I am also asking Viriditas or 4meter4 for possible alternative hook options here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:17, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't understand. Te freezing of the wedding is not from the opera, but her very personal, unusual way to tell the story, discussed by all critics. Did you read the article? If you can word it better, great. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I watched it! Looks and sounds amazing. Teona Todua has quite the voice and stage presence. Saw nothing about the wedding being frozen in time. Viriditas (talk) 00:10, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I saw the whole thing and can tell you what the written sources also say: At the end of the overture, you see a tableau - still - of that bride about to sign, and shortly before the end you see the scene again, and she doesn't sign. YouTube is no source, anyway, - I mentioned it to give you a feeling for the story-telling of the director. Off to the opera I travelled for. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Storye book: I created a redirect to freeze frame (theatre) as it is currently discussed at freeze frame shot and doesn't yet have its own article. Can you talk a bit more about how Clément's use of the theatrical technique is unique here? Are you implying that her directorial approach to Così fan tutte used this technique in a new and novel way for this production? If you are, I think that would make for a good hook, but it isn't clear in the current version. Viriditas (talk) 21:50, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda and Storye book, is that what is meant by "So steht es nicht in Mozarts und da Pontes Gemeinschaftswerk...Aber dieses zunächst irritierende Standbild mit der eingefrorenen Hand zur traumhaften Bebilderung der Ouvertüre ist gleichsam Peter von Matts bildhaft-szenisches Grundereignis, wenn man will: die ikonographisch wirksame Leitidee der ganzen Inszenierung." The problem is that this article and hook imply that this tableau is the work of the direction of Clément. Do we know that it is? Do other sources say this? If we do know and they do say this directly, then I would support some variation of the current hook. But even knowing that, Narutolovehinata5 might still object. It's obvious that the source you cite says this dramatic technique is important. That's good. That means the reader isn't involved in making that determination. But how do we know Clément was responsible for the tableau? That's the part I'm having trouble seeing. It might be in the original source and I'm just missing it. Update: ok, it looks like one of the missing pieces of the puzzle was Markus Gründig's article, which as far as I can tell, attributes full authorial intent to Clément in terms of the scene mentioned in the hook.[21] I think that seals it for me. How to word this hook is the tricky part. The key takeaway for the hook to mean something is Gründig's quote: "Während der Ouvertüre zieht eine fein gekleidete Gesellschaft für eine Hochzeitszeremonie in einen Festsaal ein (Kostüme: Bianca Deigner). Wenn die Braut dann den Ehevertrag unterzeichnen will, stoppt die Handlung. Die Figuren bleiben wie bewegungslos stehen...Deshalb spielt Clément mit der Zeit, verkürzt und streckt sie in ihren Bildern. So ist ist ihre Umsetzung auch eine Reflexion über die Angst, dass Gefühle nicht ewig dauern." I think that the hook needs to focus more on that general POV by summarizing it in relation to the novel approach (I think?) of freezing the wedding in time. Once you do that, it will meet Narutohinata5's objection, and frankly, that's the missing element. In other words, if I'm reading this correctly, Clément interpreted Mozart's Così fan tutte in a new way with a tableau to experiment with the concept of time by freezing the scene of a wedding at the beginning of the opera, only to restart it again at the end? Not sure if that is a correct summation, but you get the idea of where I'm going with this and can adapt it for your own purpose. I will add one variation of a sample hook below, regardless of its accuracy, which you can tune to your own liking. Viriditas (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for thinking, but I think "frozen wedding" is more attractive. In the opera, there is no wedding until the very end. In her narration - and of course these things are determined by the director - the (contemporary) wedding is going on during the overture. When the scene resumes (in the end) at the point where a bride turns to sign the contract, she stops, they send the guests home and the four party silently alone. That's too complex to say it all in a hook. But aren't we always told that we shouldn't say it all? Off to travel. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:29, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
* Severe difficulties with broadband mean I cannot always reply immediately or at all. Pot luck if I get a broadband opportunity. The director of any public entertainment is always responsible for intentional drastic changes in a script, score, libretto, whatever, and that includes letting crazy performers have (at least partially) their way. But this is clearly not even letting performers covertly direct, because in this case they would have to be directing as a team, which would be impractical. At that level, musicians have more than enough to do in preparation for their individual performance, and in fitting in with the orchestra and other singers. That is why we have directors..That should be obvious.
This will be my final comment: I don't think it's at all obvious to the reader that "freezing a wedding in time" refers to the director's use of a tableau device. I tried to address this up above by making the hook more approachable by describing the general experiment with time instead (per the source), but it looks like I was ignored in favor of a weird discussion about the director, which was not my overarching point regarding the hook or concerns expressed above. Yes, a director has control, but that was never my point. My point was, did the director come up with the unique use of the tableau in this instance, and if they did, describing it as "freezing a wedding in time" makes little sense without referring to the use of the tableau. Anyway, good luck with the hook! Viriditas (talk) 10:04, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I feel that the new proposals are too complicated and don't solve my original concern (and really, neither do they solve Viriditas's concerns either). If anything, they introduce new ones: the hooks are now harder to read and thus their "hookiness" or punch becomes less. Given my previous interactions with Gerda's nominations, I would rather leave the full review and the final decision to another editor, but I have to agree with Viriditas's comment that the approach being presented here is not ideal. The only hook I'd be happy with so far is ALT0a given that it is the simplest and easiest to understand, but I understand that neither of you are happy with it.
Looking at the article, another hook option could be the one about her direction of Don Giovanni and the mention of the giant cream cake, but my concern is that it would have the same issue as the original hook: it would seem to be more about Don Giovanni rather than Clément herself. However, if you could come up with a wording about it that focuses on Clément's direction and doesn't have excessive details, that might work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:02, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reading the article again, this is the wording or at least the direction I had in mind:
ALT1 ... that Mariame Clément's production of Mozart's Don Giovanni in 2023 features the title character sitting on a giant cream cake?
It doesn't really solve my "it focuses more on the opera and not Clément herself" concern, but I hope you get what I mean with this direction. I would prefer a hook with as few details as possible, because including excessive details like the exact festival or the actor's name would make the hook too complex instead of concise.
The issue with this right now is that the relevant part of the article is awkwardly written. The current wording is vague, and given how it is worded, it is unclear if it is Don Giovanni or the women who are sitting on the cake. Regardless if we go with ALT1's hook fact or not, that wording will need to be copyedited. @Viriditas: I hope you don't mind, but is it okay if you copyedit that part in the article? Actually the entire article may need to be copyedited for things like run-on sentences and confusing wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:08, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5 and Viriditas: I have copyedited the article in response to the above request, and clarified who was sitting on the cake (If you had clicked on the source, you'd have seen a big picture of Giovanni sitting on the cake on his own, anyway, although the text says it too). Storye book (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My problem with ALT1 is that it's a simple funny effect, while ALT0 and variants allude to to her cleverness in telling a complete story. The festival in Glyndebourne would be worth mentioning because it tells those who know it of top class, and the the others can learn that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Your hook ALT1 does not require verification. It's already in the citation which accompanies the hook fact in the article - both as a picture and as clear text. It's in English, so you can read it here. Storye book (talk) 09:22, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Yes, I understood that, but I was also responding to your previous comment:
The issue with this right now is that the relevant part of the article is awkwardly written. The current wording is vague, and given how it is worded, it is unclear if it is Don Giovanni or the women who are sitting on the cake. Regardless if we go with ALT1's hook fact or not, that wording will need to be copyedited. ... Actually the entire article may need to be copyedited for things like run-on sentences and confusing wording.
Jones said that throughout his long career, Saru was the first role he was ever offered as first choice with no audition.[2] "I have waited, all my life, for the moment to happen, where a big role in a big series was just being offered to me, based on reputation alone, and it was humbling," he said.[2]
A year before the first season of Star Trek: Discovery aired, in November 2016, actor Doug Jones was cast as Saru, an alien known as a Kelpien, a newly created species for the Star Trek universe.[1] Bryan Fuller offered Doug Jones the role of Saru, telling Jones "he was the one the show needed," which made the veteran creature actor feel his career was "back on."[2] Prior to being offered the role of Saru, Jones considered moving away from and winding down his signature prosthetics acting work after decades in the make-up chair.[2]
Improved to Good Article status by Very Polite Person (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.
New enough (created as a draft six days ago; moved two days afterward), long enough (1,600+ words at this writing), and verifiable enough (Inquirer.net is the official site of the Philippine Daily Inquirer, a national newspaper of record). The two versions of the blurb above are the same (with a couple of contextual differences); leaving it up to the DYK coords to determine which is better.
Earwig reports an 87.6% match from the Inquirer source, but the text in question (Roxas' request for clemency) is blockquoted. I may upgrade my rating to {{DYKyes}} once someone else at DYK clears things up.
As a reminder, this is my first QPQ since the start of my self-exile from WP last year, so bear with me here in case I'm not up to par.
Comment: Reviewed by me; nominated for DYK just hours within the 7 day/168 hour window. I requested MRSC, the GA nom, to provide a quote as the source is paywalled.
Improved to Good Article status by MRSC (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.
Here's a quote from the source "Carlton took up the artistic director post in 1997, during a time of financial difficulty for the venue. As well as being credited with saving it from closure, he was behind the theatre’s readmission into Arts Council England’s national portfolio." MRSC (talk) 17:10, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The DYK text should probably say "survived without arts council funding" as the local authority (who own the theatre) were still providing funding. MRSC (talk) 11:06, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok. I have edited the hook. I didn't think the theatre still had some funding other than from consumers, just not arts council. I also think that 'between 1985 and 2000' sounds better than 'from 1985 to 2000'. JuniperChill (talk) 11:36, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Chris Jackson(pictured) called for the establishment of an early access scheme for medicines for cancer patients? Source: "He hit the headlines in 2016 when he wrote an open letter to Pharmac, the government's drug-buying agency, calling for an Early Access to Medicines Scheme, to allow potentially lifesaving treatments to be administered to cancer patients more quickly" From [22]
... that the German "management guru" Reinhard Höhn who from 1956 trained thousands of West German civil servants and CEOs had been a committed Nazi and SS officer?
Source: Johann Chapoutot, Free to Obey How the Nazis Invented Modern Management
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Article created 2 days before nom. Sufficient length. Solid secondary sources. No significant neutrality issues.
Unfortunately, I cannot complete verifiability/copyvio spot-checks because the citations include no page numbers. For example, citation 4 is a 120-page book cited multiple times, but no page numbers are displayed.
Same applies to the hook: no page number = no way for me to verify.
... that "Somos Más Americanos" ("We Are More American"), described as an immigrant anthem, was included by Rolling Stone in its list of "The 250 Greatest Songs of the 21st Century So Far"?
Source: Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-24813-5. p. 382: "The spoils from the war were carried along in massive heaps. Of these, those taken from the Temple in Jerusalem were most conspicuous. There was a golden table weighing many talents and also a golden lampstand (menorah), with its seven branches." p. 393: "The panel on the southern side of the Arch of Titus in Rome showing Roman soldiers carrying the spoils from the Jerusalem Temple."
ALT1: ... that the Roman army that besieged Jerusalem during the First Jewish–Roman war was larger than the force used in the Roman invasion of Britain in 41 CE? Source: "Last Year in Jerusalem: Monuments of the Jewish War in Rome" (2005). In Edmondson, Jonathan; Mason, Steve; Rives, James (eds.). Flavius Josephus and Flavian Rome. Vol. 3. Oxford University Press. pp. 101–128. doi:10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199262120.003.0006. ISBN 978-0-199-26212-0. p. 101: "To put these figures in perspective, the forces committed to the siege were significantly larger than those which had been deployed for the invasion of Britain in 43"
ALT2: ... that the triumphal procession celebrated by Vespasian and Titus after their conquest of Jerusalem during the First Jewish–Roman War is the most fully documented triumph of the Imperial period? Source: "Last Year in Jerusalem: Monuments of the Jewish War in Rome" (2005). In Edmondson, Jonathan; Mason, Steve; Rives, James (eds.). Flavius Josephus and Flavian Rome. Vol. 3. Oxford University Press. pp. 101–128. doi:10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199262120.003.0006. ISBN 978-0-199-26212-0. p. 101: "Readers of Josephus' Jewish War will be familiar with the magnificent description in Book 7 of the triumph which Vespasian and Titus celebrated in Rome in 71 CE, a year after the capture of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple. Not all readers, however, will realize that this is the fullest description which survives of any triumph held in the Imperial period."
ALT3: ... that during the siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE, the future Roman emperor Titus led a reconnaissance mission that almost turned deadly when he narrowly escaped a Jewish ambush? Source: Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-24813-5. p. 305: "After Titus’s peace offer was left unanswered he took a reconnaissance team of 600 handpicked cavalrymen along the road ... The Jews broke through the cavalry still advancing along the high road and cut Titus and his companions off from the main scouting force ... Wearing neither a helmet nor a breastplate, Titus was fortunate to make it safely, using his sword to protect himself, as a multitude of arrows whistled by. Two of the cavalrymen who rode with him were not so lucky."
ALT4: .. that during the siege of Jerusalem in the First Jewish Revolt, the Romans crucified prisoners in various positions to intimidate the defenders into surrender? Source: Rogers, Guy MacLean (2022). For the Freedom of Zion: The Great Revolt of Jews against Romans, 66–74 CE. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-24813-5. p. 327: "Those who were caught and resisted were beaten, tortured, and crucified by the Romans in front of the walls of the city. Five hundred or more perished daily by such executions. Josephus tells us that Titus hoped that the spectacle of these crucifixions might persuade those still within the city to surrender. The soldiers, meanwhile, amused themselves by nailing their victims to crosses in different positions. There were so many victims that the Romans ran out of space to put up the crosses and even crosses to nail prisoners to."
Long enough and recently improved to GA. It's a long article, but as far as I can see it's fully cited: there are a few ancient texts used, but as far as I can tell they're all supported by a reliable secondary source, so WP:PRIMARY does not cause us a problem. QPQ has been started and seems earnest enough to count, even though it's not concluded yet.The hooks are all cited but some are a bit long or otherwise might fall foul of WP:DYKINT. I think ALT3 is good to go as is (though perhaps amend "future emperor" for "Roman commander"), and ALT4 could be shortened to ... that during the siege of Jerusalem in the First Jewish Revolt, the Romans crucified prisoners in various positions to intimidate the defenders into surrender?ALT0 is a little meandering and may not be particularly interesting; ALT1 might pass the bar but requires a bit of contextual knowledge (how many readers will know how big the army that invaded Britain was, or how far apart these events were?); even as a classicist I struggle to get excited about ALT2.There are a few issues with the media that should have been picked up at GA review:
I cannot find a citation to a reliable source anywhere in the geneaology of File:Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE)-en.svg: it would be good to cite something on the Commons page that shows that this isn't completely made up.
I've removed the map from the article. Besides the missing source, it appears inaccurate: the map shows the Third Wall following today's Old City walls, whereas most scholars place the original Third Wall further north, based on excavations north of the Old City. Until a map based on a reliable source is available, I think it would be best to omit it. Mariamnei (talk) 16:22, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
File:19 Shrine of the Book 005.jpg seems to be a work of digital reconstruction by a Wikimedian -- what reason do we have to believe it's reliable? Information conveyed in image form is covered by WP:V just as much as text.
OK, that needs to be reflected on the Commons page. Unless Michael Avi-Yonah is the Wikimedian who uploaded the picture, the licence there is at least incomplete. UndercoverClassicistT·C17:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The description has been updated to clarify that this is a photograph of a scale model originally designed by Michael Avi-Yonah. Since the uploader is the photographer, the existing public-domain licence appears to be valid. Mariamnei (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Italy does not have freedom of panorama, so File:Arch of Titus Menorah.png needs a tag for the original work. Italian law on publishing images of archaeological remains is complicated and restrictive, but my understanding is that Wikimedia only requires that the remains themselves are old enough to be PD in Italy and the US.
This is not a photo of the original relief, as the Wikimedia Commons caption suggests, but an image of a replica created for the ANU – Museum of the Jewish People in Tel Aviv (presumably made with Italian permission). How can we make sure that its use complies with the requirements? Mariamnei (talk) 16:22, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At minimum, we need full information about the object on the Commons page, with an explanation of why it's PD (the object as well as the photograph) in both the US and the source country. UndercoverClassicistT·C17:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added more detail to the file page. It now says that this is a photo of a modern replica of the Arch of Titus menorah relief, displayed at the ANU Museum of the Jewish People, and so on. The original relief in Rome is of course ancient and I guess supposed to be public domain everywhere. The replica seems to be a faithful reproduction rather than a creative reinterpretation, so it likely doesn't create new copyright. As for the photo, it was taken by the uploader and released under a free license, so it should be fine under both US and Israeli copyright law. Mariamnei (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The threshold for creating a new copyright on the replica (not the original work) is very low indeed -- a photograph of an ancient coin, in the view of the WMF, is eligible for copyright. Electrotypes, casts and so on are always considered a new copyright, as are paintings of paintings (see this example). Israeli standards are one thing, but everything on Wikipedia needs to be PD in the United States, as that's where the WMF's servers are located. UndercoverClassicistT·C11:31, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a PD tag for the original illumination (early 16th century) and updated the description to make that clearer. The CC0 release from the National Library of Wales already covers the digital image, so I guess this should now be fine, but please let me know if anything still looks incomplete. Mariamnei (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...or the beginning of a new era for both WP and my AFC prospects? — This contributor, May 31 appeal at WP:RFUD
Returning to DYK--in earnest--well after taking some self-exile from WP in the wake of Milton's aftermath and concerns over my reviewing style at the time. Took four months to get this finally going (and off an AFC queue that became rather worse for wear in my near-absence), but here we finally are. (Not to mention the throughline of this 1995 title strongly brings another, more recent DYK-to-be to mind--and my own off-WP writing career to date; you'll figure it out after you select "Draft" as a namespace option on my contributions list as of this writing.)
Another G13 appeal, concerning a kidlit title promised on said queue for ages, is on the horizon. Wish me luck till then...
Moved to mainspace by Slgrandson (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.
ALT3 ... that one reason for Gaza genocide denial is the belief "that Israel, the state of Holocaust survivors, can never perpetrate genocide"?Source: various, see article
I don't think this is a fair review. The article was written by taking all Google Scholar results I can find that mention the topic, which makes it hard for editorial bias to creep in, and the charge that the entire article is a POVFORK was rejected in the merge discussion. As for ALT3, the quote appears in one of the paywalled sources. (t · c) buidhe05:08, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge discussion has concluded. The article was kept by default. I do question whether this article is appropriate at all to put in the DYK section, however. DYK jibes best with quantifiable or specific facts such as X species of fish practicing cannibalism or Y person setting a world record. The article in large part is composed of legal scholars expressing their individual opinion, which is not suited for WP:DYK. This is an academically contentious topic and the phrasing of the hooks suggest we are endorsing these specific scholars and their interpretations. I kindly ask User:Buidhe to withdraw this nomination. Bremps...16:52, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure there is much basis for that in the Dyk rules. In any event, some of the hooks are explicitly attributed, which should address any concern about inappropriate wikivoice. (t · c) buidhe17:08, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to leave it to others to judge the eligibility of this hook ALT5, but my judgment that this article overall is ineligible for DYK due to violation of WP:NPOV remains the same, as the article has been expanded but continues to espouse only one point of view on this disputed topic. --Metropolitan90(talk)01:23, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
New enough: Expansion is not counting overall article size but prose size. Using DYK Check, pre-expansion prose was 245 characters, now it is 2149 characters (almost 9-fold increase).
Adequate sourcing: That is not policy, nor a reasonable position to say that corporate sources are unreliable. It may be true that some companies will exaggerate their accomplishments, but this is a statistic about all mines there, which this company will know better than anyone else.
Neutral: This refers to WP:NPOV in the article, not the sources. Even so, the sources (very typical for such places) are used to validate statements, not to prove notability, and moreover, the offline book Our Timiskaming does have an in-depth chapter on Gowganda.
Cited: This checkbox is not about sources, but whether or not the hook is in the article and cited. It is.
Interesting: This is subjective of course, but obviously not all hooks are going to be spectacular, you have to consider this in the context of the subject. In any case, I'm always open to suggestions.
My mistake RE 5x. My NPOV concern is that neutrality is based on presentation of all POVs as substantiated in reliable sources. If all of the sources are passing mentions, it's hard to say whether you're capturing all POVs on the subject. RE sourcing, corporate websites don't necessarily fact check and the source is being used in the article for more than the hook fact. DYK requires each paragraph cite to a reliable source. I maintain that this hook is a mundane fact that is not interesting. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:40, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment on capturing all POVs would make sense if this were a controversial subject where people have different takes on it. Can't see how that applies here, first time in my over 100 DYK's this comes up, so I don't even know what POV you would expect here. As for reliability of its website, of course a mining company would know exactly how much was extracted, this is not some subjective claim. Anyway, I will prepare an alternate hook, but still seeking 2nd opinion. -- P 1 9 9✉20:51, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Enderlin, North Dakota, tornado earned the first EF5 rating in 12 years by throwing train cars over four times as heavy and nearly twice the distance needed for the rating?
Source: The source appears on the Damage Assessment Toolkit, and can be found by ensuring the Begin and End Dates specified make a range that include June 20, 2025; then, find the purple EF5 polygon west of Fargo, North Dakota, and click on the southwesternmost purple EF5 damage point at 46.59, -97.56. This might seem convoluted, but this is standard practice within the weather community. The relevant text reads: "Tipped loaded car: The tornado derailed 33 train cars including 19 fully-loaded grain hopper cars and 14 empty tanker cars, mainly tipped from the track. Included in the derailed cars were one filled grain car (~286,000 lbs) and four empty tanker cars (~72,000 lbs) that were pulled into a field away from the track. One of the 4 tanker cars was tossed 600-1000 ft (183-305 m) from the track and an estimated 475.7 ft (145 m) from the distance of the previous tanker car it was attached to before being pulled off of the track; wheel sets detached near the point from which the cars were derailed from the track. It was in this train derailment location that EF-5 damage intensity was noted with greater than 210 mph winds listed officially for this tornado. Extensive collaboration with wind damage experts provided forensic analyses for the train damage that occurred with this tornado. These analyses estimate potential wind speeds of approximately 230 mph are needed to completely overturn a fully loaded grain hopper car. Collaboration with the Northern Tornadoes Project at Western University’s Canadian Severe Storms Laboratory estimated a potential wind speed of >119 m/s (>266 mph) to loft the empty tanker car 475.7 ft (145 m) using similar calculations performed in Estimating Wind Speeds in Tornadoes Using Debris Trajectories of Large Compact Objects (Miller et al. 2024). The study, published in the Monthly Weather Review, found that large compact objects lofted greater than 50 m indicate EF-5 intensity winds (greater than 200 mph). The Enderlin train cars were nearly 2× farther than the EF-5 threshold distance and ~4× heavier than the heaviest object modeled in the study."
Comment: Apologies about the convoluted source. The article is brand new and already at GA, and weatherspace editors are on it with a fervor I haven't seen since I started editing here (except for ongoing storms). I feel it's only right for this to get some recognition (it was at ITN/C but won't be posted), and I've plenty of QPQs leftover. Again, credit to EF5 and ChessEric for this one.
Improved to Good Article status by EF5 (talk) and ChessEric (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.
Damnit, I was going to nominate with the exact same hook later today lol (do they hand out 4As if you aren’t the one nominating the DYK?). Original hook is interesting as-is. EF516:03, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the purposes of 4A, I'm fine with you taking credit for this one, as you were the one who basically built this page up to where it is now. Departure– (talk) 16:04, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nono, it’s okay, DYK still counts even if you aren’t the one nominating. Maybe we could use the Alex Resel or Henderson images? EF516:07, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I personally think it'd be only right to use the photo of the moved train cars, but sadly this is one of the only cases of free tornado image, non-free damage image. Departure– (talk) 16:09, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that while the article is currently at WP:GAR and will be there for at least a month the nomination is still valid as it was created in the last seven days. EF513:38, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that soprano Antonie Mielke(pictured) performed in a festival that inaugurated the newly built Carnegie Hall for its first week of performances in May 1891?
Source: *"Damrosch Festival". The New York Times. March 8, 1891. p. 13. THE DAMROSCH FESTIVAL. The new Carnegle Musio Hall, at Fifty-seventh Street and Seventh Avente, will be opened on May 5 with a music festival, which will continue on May 6, 7, 8, and 9. The forces to be assembled will consist of the Symphony Society orchestra, the Oratorio Society chorus, and the following solotsts: Antonia Mielke and Clementine De Vere, sopranos... Wednesday Evening, May 6. Elijah, Oratorio for soli, chorus, and orchestra. Mendelssohn Soloiste: Frau Antonia Mielke...
ALT1: ... that Yui Aragaki's cover of "Chiisana Koi no Uta" was performed along with 3000 students? Source: Oricon[女優の新垣結衣が、ウォークマン『Play You.』(ソニー)の新プロジェクトで3000人の中高生とユニットを結成し、同郷・沖縄出身の人気ロックバンド・モンゴル800の代表曲「小さな恋のうた」を歌うことが8日までにわかった。 It was revealed on the 8th that actress Yui Aragaki will be forming a unit with 3,000 junior and senior high school students as part of a new project for the Walkman "Play You." (Sony), and will be singing "Chiisana Koi no Uta," a hit song by Mongol 800, a popular rock band from her hometown of Okinawa.]
ALT2: ... that 1000 musician played "Chiisana Koi no Uta" simultaneously in an event? Source: Kitakan Navi magazine [6月に群馬県渋川市内で開かれる参加型音楽イベント「1000人ROCK FES.GUNMA 2024」の実行委員会は... 参加者が一斉にバンド演奏するイベント。The executive committee of the participatory music event "1000 People ROCK FES.GUNMA 2024" to be held in Shibukawa City, Gunma Prefecture in June... An event where participants all play together in a band.]
ALT3: ... that Chiisana Koi no Uta Band perform a cover of "Chiisana Koi no Uta" for Chiisana Koi no Uta? Source: Spice [MONGOL800の「小さな恋のうた」をモチーフにした映画『小さな恋のうた』（5月24日公開）から誕生した“小さな恋のうたバンド”のデビューシングル「小さな恋のうた」のミュージックビデオがフルサイズ公開された。The full-length music video for "Chiisana Koi no Uta," the debut single by the "Chiisana Koi no Uta Band," which was born from the movie "Chiisana Koi no Uta" (released May 24th), which is based on MONGOL800's song "Chiisana Koi no Uta," has been released.]
Comment: nominating this for a CHRISTMAS prep queue (i realise there's been a lot of discussion about DYKs for Jilly Cooper's works and in this discussion I offered to do multi noms with this exception as I think it works really well for Christmas!
Created by Lajmmoore (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 154 past nominations.
Comment: This page was created yesterday and consisted of two sentences. Relatively unknown civil rights activist who was a close confidant of Martin Luther King Jr. A very important figure who deserves to be recognized.
5x expanded by The Robot Parade (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
... that the removal of a printing press from The Republic Newspaper Office prompted dozens of concerned inquiries from the public? Source: Kamin, Blair (May 14, 2018). "Former newspaper building in Indiana, a modernist icon shaped in Chicago, will house architecture program". Chicago Tribune. "So deeply was the building ingrained in the life of the town that when the printing press was removed in 1998, to be replaced by a larger one that could only be housed in a new facility, the public took notice. 'Alarm bells went off. We fielded dozens of inquiries from people sure that the newspaper had gone out of business.'"
ALT1: ... that the removal of a printing press from The Republic Newspaper Office prompted people to ask if the 125-year-old newspaper was closing entirely? Source: Kamin, Blair (May 14, 2018). "Former newspaper building in Indiana, a modernist icon shaped in Chicago, will house architecture program". Chicago Tribune. "So deeply was the building ingrained in the life of the town that when the printing press was removed in 1998, to be replaced by a larger one that could only be housed in a new facility, the public took notice. 'Alarm bells went off. We fielded dozens of inquiries from people sure that the newspaper had gone out of business.'"
ALT2: ... that The Republic Newspaper Office was completed under budget despite undergoing more than 100 changes during construction? Source: The Republic (Report). National Register of Historic Places, National Park Service. October 16, 2012. p. 12. "Over the course of construction. Brown corresponded frequently with George Hays, the project manager for SOM to discuss the day-to-day details of the project, including the numerous change orders. More than 100 of these were executed during the building’s construction ... In spite of the many modifications, the building was occupied only a short time after originally anticipated, and the final construction cost was $1,104,425, under SOM’s original estimate of $1,172,000."
ALT3: ... that an editor for The Republic newspaper in Indiana said that its office was "the best recruiting tool we've got"? Source: Freeman, Allen (March 1980). "Living in an Architectural Museum" (PDF). Journal of the American Institute of Architects. Vol. 69, no. 3. p. 70. "Courthouse Square is a less intrusive glass box, the daily Republic newspaper office and plant designed by Myron Goldsmith of SOM, Chicago. City Editor Harry McCawley, a believer in the good effects of good architecture, explains, "I am involved in the hiring of new reporters, and it is the best recruiting tool we've got. People compare it with where they are working now and where they are looking elsewhere. It often makes a difference as to whether we get a reporter we want." He adds facetiously that the building is "probably worth $10 a week in salary" when hiring, and seriously that his young crew dresses better than average for newspaper people, " to go with the building.""
ALT4: ... that an editor for The Republic newspaper in Indiana said that, for new employees, the allure of its office's design was like giving them a pay raise? Source: Freeman, Allen (March 1980). "Living in an Architectural Museum" (PDF). Journal of the American Institute of Architects. Vol. 69, no. 3. p. 70. "Courthouse Square is a less intrusive glass box, the daily Republic newspaper office and plant designed by Myron Goldsmith of SOM, Chicago. City Editor Harry McCawley, a believer in the good effects of good architecture, explains, "I am involved in the hiring of new reporters, and it is the best recruiting tool we've got. People compare it with where they are working now and where they are looking elsewhere. It often makes a difference as to whether we get a reporter we want." He adds facetiously that the building is "probably worth $10 a week in salary" when hiring, and seriously that his young crew dresses better than average for newspaper people, " to go with the building.""
ALT1: ... that the 2003 Marvel Comics series Trouble was part of a "made-you-look" marketing strategy of provocative editorial gimmicks aimed at attracting substantial media coverage? Source: CBR, Newsarama
ALT2: ... that the 2003 Marvel Comics series Trouble was an attempt by the company to re-expand into romance comics, a genre which enjoyed significant popularity in the mid-20th century? Source: Web-Spinning Heroics: Critical Essays on the History and Meaning of Spider-Man
ALT3: ... that fan reaction to the 2003 Marvel Comics series Trouble, which suggests that Aunt May is secretly Spider-Man's biological mother, determined whether or not it would become canon? Source: ICV2
ALT4: ... that writer Mark Millar(pictured) said that his 2003 Marvel Comics series Trouble was his first comic that his wife read cover to cover? Source: Newsarama
ALT5: ... that the 2003 Marvel Comics series Trouble frequently places on lists of the worst or most controversial Spider-Man storylines? Source: 1234
ALT2: ... that it was thought that black men could not play the "thinking man's'" position of center in the NFL until the career of Bill Cottrell? Source: same
@Based5290: Technically, depending on how you look at it, both hooks could meet DYKFICTION, if they are interpreted to refer to in-game mechanics rather than plot details. In-game mechanics are not considered DYKFICTION violations. Having said that, I would personally shorten ALT1 to just: ALT1a ... that Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop 2 features a mini-game called sushi-bowling? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (as GA reviewer) I can't believe I managed to review this huge beast!, not knowing she was (one of) the greatest Olympic players! I knew this would be nominated for DYK for this exact reason! Seeing as Launchballer also nominated Emma Finucane (DYK nom) which also had the same GA nominator. Since I reviewed this article as part of the GA process, I cannot review this article again for DYK (plus it would be tiring). Anyway, I don't mind whether ALT0 or ALT1 is chosen. JuniperChill (talk) 17:36, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Bad End Theater uses a cute visual style to portray tragic death without showing gruesome details?
Source: Couture, Joel. "The cascading consequences of Bad End Theater's parallel narratives". Game Developer. Retrieved 2 August 2025. Supporting text: "Cuteness is my specialty! I think having cute characters makes the darker endings more approachable and "safe". I wanted all the emotions of a tragic death without having to show any gruesome details - for me, it's more effective if it remains abstract or stylized."
ALT1: ... that Bad End Theater has 41 bad endings? Source: NomnomNami (2022-02-22), BAD END THEATER art collection. Requires owning Bad End Theater to access. Supporting text: "41 bad endings... it's a strange final number to land on, isn't it?"
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Moved to mainspace by The Sophocrat (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Final Weapon was determined likely unreliable at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources#Final Weapon. What do you mean? Only one out of four editors argued it was "not a high-quality source". The site lists its editorial staff and its reviews have been featured elsewhere in the industry. As for meeting WP:GNG, the article cites a thesis, the Final Weapon Review, and a PCGamer review. Those are three independent, reliable sources that significantly cover the article subject, so the subject meets WP:GNG. Sophocrat (talk) 17:47, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's more complex than just one of four editors arguing it's unreliable. The ones arguing it was unreliable offered way more evidence in support of that fact, including User:Captain Galaxy's numerous points and User:Sergecross73 in the previous 2024 discussion about the site. At the very least, its reliability is in heavy doubt due to the writers' lack of credentials. I am not sure why Anait Games should be considered reliable either, it appears to share similar issues. To be clear, reliability is not a negotiable part of WP:GNG and if you pull a source out of nowhere that isn't in WP:VG/S or WP:Perennial sources, etc. you will need some solid proof that it should actually be taken seriously, especially with the advent of AI and misinformation online. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:42, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With regards to the Marta Trivi page, it was essentially just created and I am unsure if it passes WP:NBIO. She appears to be more of a freelance journalist than someone with industry credentials so I'm not sure you can pull out the "this person is a journalist" argument to say that the site is reliable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:49, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's also a page discussing the game, comparable in size to the PCGamer review, from this thesis (plaintext link) from Hacettepe University (it also dedicates a subchapter to another of the dev's games, but I digress). It was supervised by doctor Elif Varol Ergen, who seems to be a recognized specialist in the field (eg by this art magazine article) (as preferred by WP:THESIS [If possible, use theses that have been [...] supervised by recognized specialists in the field]). The GryOnLine article was written in 2021, this thesis in 2024, and the other thesis I cite in 2025. This demonstrates sustained coverage that has outlived the game's initial release. I do believe this subject is notable and evidently an article can be written about it—it's just a bit niche (and per WP:DYKCITE, The use of multiple sources is generally preferred, though more leeway may be given for more obscure topics). Sophocrat (talk) 00:27, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Gry Online page bills itself as a "game description" with zero independent commentary, so I don't think it would fall under WP:SECONDARY. Per that page, "A secondary source provides thought and reflection [...]". GNG requires the sources in question to be secondary ones. I am also concerned whether the thesis page would have sufficient commentary independent of pure descriptions of the content. It may be worth removing the unreliable sources and expanding the reception; if the sources are insufficient, it will clearly show in the lack of content that can be gleaned for the section, and vice-versa. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:43, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the University of Chicago team who worked on the production of the world's first human-caused self-sustaining nuclear reaction, including Enrico Fermi in the front row and Leó Szilárd in the second
ALT4a: ... that the original University of Chicago, founded in the 1850s, was foreclosed upon and shut down in 1886? Source: The University of Chicago: A History, by John W. Boyer, pages 8-10. ISBN 9780226835303
ALT5: ... that the University of Chicago's Gothic architecture was deliberately designed to evoke Oxford and Cambridge, despite the university being located in America's Midwest? Source: Schulze, Franz; Harrington, Kevin (2003). Chicago's Famous Buildings (5th ed.). University of Chicago Press. pp. 246–50. ISBN 0-226-74066-8. Retrieved August 31, 2009.
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Comment: I don't have the Boyer book with me at the moment, but if necessary I can get it and find the exact text supporting the claims.
Improved to Good Article status by Charter6281 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Article was nominated for DYK on the same day it passed GA (Oct 14) and at 44k characters and 6.5k words it is more than long enough. Sourcing is fine, although if I were the GA reviewer, I would have asked for more independent secondary sources rather than relying so heavily on University of Chicago-affiliated sources (understandable as this is pretty typical of university histories; it's just that it's not that hard to find secondary sources for a lot of the claims in the article). Article is neutral in tone. Earwig suggests that copyvio is unlikely; the match rate nevertheless seems high (31% with Britannica for example) but when you look closely it turns out to be due to things like the long institute names, which should remain fixed. As for manual spotchecks, a quick comparison with pages from the Boyer book, which the article cites heavily, makes it apparent that the Boyer book is much more flowery in tone and that close paraphrasing seems unlikely. Only one link in the proposed hooks is bold-linked and this article looks presentable. The QPQ is not required, as the nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
This leaves the hooks. ALT0, ALT1, and ALT2 fail the "short enough" test – ALT0 and ALT1 both contain very interesting facts, but they are crammed with so much detail and bluelinks, such that there is no compelling reason for the reader to click on the link to read the University of Chicago article. (In other words, you don't want to ask a question that contains the exact answer. ALT1, for example, could perhaps be shortened to "... that only Room 405 of the University of Chicago'sGeorge Herbert Jones Laboratory is a National Historic Landmark?" because at least then the reader would want to know "why only Room 405?" but it's not great in that it's more about George Herbert Jones Laboratory than the University of Chicago itself. And in any case, if you wanted to use that hook, you really should cite additional sources like this one in the article itself. To be honest, ALT3 is the hook that caught my eye from the very start, but WP:ERRORS is very unforgiving of superlative claims like "first" and "largest". Even if it technically is true that University of Chicago Press is the largest in North America, this claim is only sourced within the article to the University of Chicago Press itself (a primary source), which also fails to explain exactly why it's the largest (by what metric). This leaves ALT4. And while I thought ALT4 was going to be an easy pass, a potential problem is that the article itself doesn't use the words "bankrupt" or "bankruptcy" anwhere, and one could argue that foreclosure is not the same as bankruptcy. @Charter6281: If you are in a hurry to get this DYK approved, I would recommend doing a bit of work to resolve this and bulletproof ALT4. Otherwise, good job with the article; it's well written and very informative. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:25, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Charter6281: Better. Thanks for working on your hooks. There are still issues that need to be resolved, though. See below. (And also, from this point on, please don't swap out any ALT hooks. You can start new ones inline here in the Comments, formatted the same way (scroll through WP:DYKNA to get a feel for formatting options for revised ALT hooks) and strike any content you decide not to use like this. I've also re-numbered your ALT hooks so it's clear to any subsequent reviewers that we aren't talking about the same hooks as before. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:32, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a seems like an interesting hook. Can you find an additional source for it that isn't University of Chicago Press? For a "world's first" claim like that, we're looking for reliable secondary sources that verify that the claim is true. That source or sources need to be added to the article itself.
ALT2a is better than it was before, but there is literally only one sentence about the topic in the actual article that doesn't give us any "reward" for clicking on the hook and no real argument about why this is a significant or interesting fact (plus it's only sourced to the University of Chicago magazine). Either expand the content in the article by at least one sentence, citing at least one reliable secondary source, or we can just table this hook.
ALT4a is ok.
ALT5 is interesting but the article refers only to Oxford, not Cambridge, and the hook itself is still way too verbose.
In conclusion, I would recommend you fix at least ALT0a and possibly ALT5 (meaning fix the corresponding sourcing in the article itself in the case of ALT0a, and fix the hook language and possibly the content within the article itself if you can find a source to back up the "Cambridge" part), and then we will have at least 3 approved hooks and leave it up to the hook promoter which one to choose. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:32, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One possible solution to ALT0/ALT0a is to simply drop the "first" claim and just mention that the reaction took place under a stadium's stands. To me at least, that was the actually interesting part, not that it was a "first". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:07, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One issue is that the article currently does not mention "stands" but only the specific stadium itself (in this case, Stagg Field) is mentioned, without any mention of the experiment being done under the stands. Unless the article is revised, another possibility could be:
ALT2: ... that Herbert Jacobs and his children personally built the foundations of their second house? Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 18; Jacobs, Herbert (October 4, 1976). "[For Working] And Living". The Capital Times. pp. 21, 22.
ALT3: ... that when Herbert and Katherine Jacobs commissioned Frank Lloyd Wright for their second house, he told them, "you are getting another 'first'"? Source: National Park Service 2003, p. 15.
Overall: Hello, with a view to approving ALT1, the source says "one may add that Chopin probably composed only the 3rd variation"; do you have a source that would enable the addition of how many variations there are, and that the third is (the only one) in a minor key? Thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 20:28, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that underwear in this case refers to long underwear (sometimes called long johns), and not underwear in the traditional sense. While I don't think my hook is misleading, I do want to make that clear for the reviewer.
Created by GalacticVelocity08 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
ALT1: ... that despite being a charity race, the City of Oaks Marathon donated zero dollars to charity in 2014 due to potential fraud by their board president? (Source)
Article is new enough, long enough, and the hook fact is interesting and verifiable to an inline citation. That said, the article does use a large number of primary sources, which is fine I guess for statistics in the tables... But... I notice that the sourcing in question is local in scope and promotional in tone; being drawn almost entirely from WRAL, WTVD, and WNCN. The only source outside of that is a small promotional blurb in Runner's World which hardly counts as WP:SIGCOV. I am wondering whether the sourcing is sufficient to demonstrate a pass of WP:EVENTCRIT. Issues of WP:GEOSCOPE, WP:LASTING, WP:DEPTH, WP:DIVERSE, WP:ROUTINE, WP:NOTNEWS, etc. are pertinent. Additionally, City of Oaks Marathon is an organization as well as an event and is therefor subject to WP:ORG and its rigor. I'm not certain this would survive an WP:AFD. @Johnson524: It would be helpful if you could locate and add a source on this event from outside Raleigh that isn't promotional or perfunctory. That would go a long way in demonstrating that this is a notable topic. Additionally the over-reliance on local TV media may not be the best as that type of media tends to be more superficial than print media, and the coverage tends to be WP:PRIMARY. Local print media might be more in-depth, and is more often able to cross that line into WP:SECONDARY coverage. Until the source depth and diversity is improved I don't think we can run this.4meter4 (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article was moved within the window and is long enough, and seems to be fully cited. The hook itself is short enough and passes WP:DYKINT. No copyvio concerns except the formality below. Points that need looking at:
Could you provide the quotation from note 13 to support the hook -- the newspaper citation is WP:PRIMARY and only strictly proves that one letter existed.
There is quite heavy use of primary sources throughout: can any of these be replaced or buttressed with modern secondary sources?
I've requested access to a copy of the book again, it might take a few days to get it.
The primary newspaper sources are being used to back up the dates. I had the issue that some of the secondary sources had incorrect dates for when he held these positions, so the primary ones were actually more reliable in this case.
Nothing really, though it's the only online source I could find talking about his role as a mason.
@UndercoverClassicist: Quote from page 35: Another letter printed in the Press on November 30, 1866, again from the Debtor's Quarters, also complained about the doctor. The writer said he wanted "a curb of petty tyranny whih appears to be exercised by those who are dressed in a limited brief authority." His complaint was that when he was unwell on November 28 he sent out for a "bottle of porter" which was a privilege allowed by law to debtors. However, to his "astonishment the warder formed me that Dr Donald had ordered that I was not to be allowed to receive my beer. ... I could, if space permitted, give you many instances of the petty tyranny exercised by Dr Donald towards the unfortunate debtors confined here and are treated far worse than the convicted felons and towards whom a system of petty annoyances is practised by the gaol authorities. It is useless for me to make my complaint to His Honour the judge as it only passed unheeded."David Palmer//cloventt(talk)00:21, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles are long enough and pass GA standards as indicated in the nom (Marina Days was promoted on 16 Oct and Our Lady of the Ozarks College moved on the same day. Two QPQs done, per requirements when this was nominated. Both are generally in good shape and presentable for the main page. No evidence of copyvio or other issues, having run Earwig on both, and all images are appropriately licensed.
The hook is cited but I can't access the first link: could you provide the supporting text? I'm not sure the second quite has enough to support this as an annual figure (rather than the expectation for 2025), and it doesn't specify the location or that they're all Vietnamese Catholics. I think it just about passes the bar for WP:DYKINT, but you may wish to come up with some ALTs -- readers without a clear expectation of how many Vietnamese Catholics they would find in Missouri may not be particularly shocked. We could also do with explicitly saying that the Marian Days take place at Our Lady of the Ozarks College -- this isn't directly said in either article.
... that The Patient's Playbook warns against hastily starting treatment, citing a case where a man received unnecessary heart stents, only to later learn his real issue was in his lungs?
The article notes: "A rush to treatment can also be a problem. Short of an emergency, it is important for patients, and doctors, to think things through. Mr. Michelson recounts the story of a man whose shortness of breath led him to a new doctor, a reflexively scheduled angiogram and the insertion of stents in his heart arteries well before a careful diagnosis had been made. The man’s problem, it turned out, wasn’t the heart but the lungs. The stent procedure was unnecessary."
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 427 past nominations.
Note (not reviewer, but article creator): "dictators" is supported by Datlow, Ellen; Windling, Terri, eds. (1990). The Year's Best Fantasy and Horror: Third Annual Collection, p. xl, while serial killers is supported by the Maximum Rocknroll review. I will supply quotes if requested. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:47, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is new enough and long enough, and neutral in style. QPQ has been done and there is no image. The hook is good, and the source supporting it AGF. There should be an inline citation connected with the fact in the article, though, so that it is clear where the source for this claims comes from not only in the nomination but also in the article. I do have some issues with the presentability of the article. Firstly, some stylistic issues. In the lead, Tjoen is presented as "politician, leftist, and teacher." I think "left-wing politician and teacher" would be considerably better; "leftist" sounds too colloquial and vague. Further questions: Do we know what kind of company "NV Pyramid" was? A word on that could be clarifying. Same with "Surabaya National Development Force"; who were/are they? Some context would be useful. And what's the "Mutual Assistance House of Representatives"? And what happened in 1955, did he lose his seat or not? I also find this sentence confusing: "He did so because he found that those representing minority groups were not supported by the Chinese Muslim and Indo communities, and were instead backed by Masjumi, NU, and Parkindo". I think you need in at least a few words explain why this was problematic for Tjoen. And then again: "He also urged the government to review the bonus system" - what bonus system? Who got what bonus from whom? I'm at a loss. In the very next sentence, " In addition, he opposed Assaat’s proposal, calling on the government to adopt [...]" I again wonder what the proposal was? One last question - he was arrested twice in the 1940s and 1950s, yet the arrest in the 1960s get its own heading. Why? I think at least some of these questions need to be resolved before we can put this on the main page. I'm sorry to say I left the article not really feeling sure I had a grip on the biography of Tjoen. Yakikaki (talk) 20:24, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Yakikaki: Answering your questions: 1) I looked at the sources and did not find any description about what the NV Pyramid was. I also searched on Google and alas, I did not find any information about the company's background. 2) Same with NV Pyramid, I tried to search what Surabaya National Development Force was in Indonesian and did not find any satisfying results. The source only mentioned that Surabaya National Development Force was an organization 3). I had already linked the Mutual Assistance House of Representatives to the sub-heading of Guided Democracy on House of Representatives (Indonesia) since it briefly explained it. 4). I looked at the source again and found that the government appointed the representative for the minority groups which caused trouble for Tjoen. 5) I replaced the bonus system with a premium one. Sorry for my mistake. 6). Assaat's proposal was asking the government to adopt economic policies favoring indigenous entrepreneurs 7). Realizing there were some ambiguities, I decided to change the subheading from 'Arrest' to 'Post 30 September Movement'. Faldi00 (talk) 21:30, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Baek Se-hee's favourite food prolonged her life? Source: Se-hee is shy, introverted and fearful of being manipulated. She finds being with other people almost unbearable. But she savors eating Tteokbokki―a chewy, spicy rice cake―at the humble places that serve it. That one desire, by keeping alive the flickering flame of her will to keep going, drives her to show up for conversations with her therapist.
Comment: Driveby nom. It's a crying shame "that the death of Baek Se-hee saved five lives" would need attribution, as "according to the Korea Organ Donation Agency" would give the game away.
Created by Andrew Davidson (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 337 past nominations.
Thanks for nominating this as it saves me the trouble of doing it myself. It was started at ITN and I was worried that this would block posting here but the ITN nomination is for Recent Deaths and so it won't get a bold posting there. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:27, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that the winning song of the Eurovision Song Contest 1961 was included in a 2020s promotional campaign by the French government to highlight and combat homophobia, biphobia and transphobia?
Improved to Good Article status by Sims2aholic8 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 26 past nominations.
... that cables of large bridges can reach over 1 meter in diameter and weigh over 20,000 tonnes?
Source: * Gimsing, Niels J. (1997). Cable Supported Bridges: Concept and Design (Second ed.). Wiley. p. 56. ISBN9781119951872. Retrieved 1 September 2025. diameter over 1 meter. Jones, Vardiman; Howells, John (2000). "Suspension Bridges". In Ryall, Michael (ed.). The Manual of Bridge Engineering. Thomas Telford. p. 603. ISBN0727727745. Retrieved 1 September 2025. 94 tonnes per strand.. Sangree, Rachel; Shafer, Ben; et al. (2003). "The Structural Art of the Akashi Kaikyo Bridge"(PDF). Perceptions on the Evolution of Structures. Retrieved 2 October 2025. 290 strands in a cable
ALT1 ... that bridges are often used as metaphors in literature, representing transition or growth?
... that Charlie Mitchell is the first Black chef in New York City to receive a Michelin star? and only the second Black executive chef in the country to receive a star?
@Launchballer: It is Gerald Sombright and he doesn't have an article, I already have a good bit of the resources needed for him and can get it put together. Once I get it done do I nominate his separately or add it on to this one? New to all of this and want to do it correctly.
I put together what I could for Gerald Sombright, but there isn't nearly enough for me to be willing to submit it with Mitchell's. Mitchell has received significantly more press coverage because of receiving the Young Chef Award and the James Beard Award, and doing so at such a young age. If changing the hook would be more appropriate I would be happy to reword it. (Also I corrected the capitalization in the hook.) Snuggle 🖤 (talk) 21:26, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to leave this submission as just Chef Mitchell, and the hook as is, and then leave Chef Sombright's to potentially expand and submit in the future. Snuggle 🖤 (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a review (yet), but I would suggest splitting the hook into two separate hooks, or perhaps only focusing on the Michelin star hook. "Only the second Black executive chef in the country to receive a star?" is a superlative and exceptional claim, and per WP:DYKHOOKCITE, would require very strong sourcing to prove. "First Black chef to receive a Michelin star", while a "first" hook, might be easier to verify. However, I have concerns about the hook wording itself since "first Black chef" is vague: did he himself get the Michelin star, or was it the restaurant he worked for that received it? Are we sure that prior Michelin-starred restaurants in New York did not have Black chefs working for them? That's the issue with "first" hooks: they need to be scrutinized to make sure they're accurate. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:42, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the hook can be split, as far as the first claim goes - the hook as it is right now is using the same wording as the Michelin Guide,[1][2] the New Yorker,[3] CBS news,[4] MSNBC,[5]Today,[6] and Grub Street/New York magazine.[7] Yes, it's technically the restaurant that receives the star and the star remains with the restaurant and doesn't move with the chef but within the profession it is understood that the executive chef/head chef/chef de cuisine is the one that "earns" the star. He is called the first Black chef in the country to receive a star in multiple sources as well simply because Chef Mitchell and Chef Gerald Sombright earned their stars in the same year, one being awarded at the Florida awards which took place in June 2022 and the other being awarded at the New York awards that took place in October 2022. On a side note, the claim that he is the 2nd executive chef to receive the honor is more or less a technicality thing (I am personally not a fan), since Mariya Russell was the first Black chef in the country to receive a star but she didn't hold the executive chef title at the time and she left fine dining after receiving the star.
Comment. While it's good work to add sourced info, I don't think this qualifies by WP:DYK5X rules. This old version is quite substantial even if a lot of the content is in bulleted lists - even ignoring the bulleted content, it's 340 words, while the current version is 932 words. In general, any old content, no matter how bad, qualifies - only copyright violations or blatant vandalism doesn't, per DYK5X. @Piotrus: Maybe worth a try again if it becomes a GA? SnowFire (talk) 14:55, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:SnowFire I thought unreferenced content did not count for prose count. But if it does, I'll see if I can add ~600 words to this somehow. After expanding the lead, which I forgotten about, it is now at 1130 words, so close to 4x. PS. Now we are at 1440 words, so I think that's close enough to 5x? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here00:31, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the slow reply. Yeah, the idea behind 5x is more representing a "new" article where a tiny two-line stub was there first, with "improving a bad article" being intended for the "recent GA" criterion.
For this article specifically - normally, yes, there is some wiggle room and getting to 4.3x or the like is close enough for government work. In this case, though, the page size script "not counting" bulleted lists is more a quirk, as the bulleted lists weren't just sideline appendix-y data here - it was the main focus of the old article. So 340 words is an undercount of the old article length if anything, and the current length still isn't 5x even the undercounted size. Not trying to be a hardass on this, but see the explanatory second paragraph at DYK5X - this kind of improvement is great, but it's the "recent GA" criteria to become a DYK. SnowFire (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The difference betwen hypnosis in fiction and this is that less of this was in bullet points. Prose size is based on characters, at which this technically started at 2085 and would need another 530 to be eligible, but given that expansion clearly started after someone else cut it down I'd be tempted to IAR.--Launchballer05:22, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I won't push it if others think this is fine and want to approve it. I'd normally have no problem with 4.5xish expansion, but I brought up the bulleted lists issue for why a vibes-based "eh, close enough" pass doesn't quite work here, since those weren't really lists but rather very similar content (if unreferenced) to what's in the current article that's unrepresented by the gadget. But it's not meeting the strict "page size gadget reports 5x expansion" criterion either. SnowFire (talk) 03:12, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per above, I'll withdraw my objection per meeting the letter of the requirement - sorry, was not trying to "force" an expansion beyond natural length, just thought the GA approach would have been more organic. Will give a fuller review tomorrow. SnowFire (talk) 03:49, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Listen to the story", (from the Introductory to Granny's Wonderful Chair, illustrated by Marie Seymour Lucas, 1890
... that Francis Hodgson Burnett was accused of plagiarism after publishing a story based on Frances Browne’s Granny's Wonderful Chair(illustrated)? Source: Easley, Alexis (2019). "The Nineteenth Century: Intellectual Property Rights and "Literary Larceny"". The Cambridge Handbook of Literary Authorship. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/9781316717516.010.
Comment: I will complete another DYK shortly and add it here. I think this illustration works well at small scale but there are lots of illustrations in the article to choose from. (Also note the bot doesn't seem to count multinoms, this is the 71st article I've nominated for DYK!) DrThneed (talk) 03:13, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to mainspace by DrThneed (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 23 past nominations.
... that Hostage, a book written by Eli Sharabi(pictured) after surviving 491 days in Hamas captivity, became the fastest-selling title in Hebrew publishing history?
Improved to Good Article status by Riley1012 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 339 past nominations.
Hey @Launchballer: ALT1 is inaccurate, it should say something like first Japanese female gymnast to win an individual Olympic medal (as in, not in the team event, and the medal she won was bronze, not gold). That is a bit wordy, so maybe there are better ideas for an ALT hook... -Riley1012 (talk) 17:20, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: I'm new here and maybe I'm misunderstanding how this works. Do the ALT proposals supersede the original? "The first female gymnast to win a world title in 63 years" is very incorrect, so much so that I'm not even sure how to fix it. The closest to correct I could get this would be something like "In 2017, Murakami was the first female representing Japan to win an artistic gymnastics world championship in 63 years." or something to that extent. I would also agree with the currently not scratched out ALT, which is more concise, and would prefer that. GauchoDude (talk) 12:37, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't decide which ALT to go with and ended up (wrongly) reciting them from memory. I added an ALT0a, which says exactly what the article says. Essentially, all ALTs are 'live' unless they've been rejected by a reviewer; essentially, ALT0a and ALT1a need reviewing.--Launchballer12:49, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that for the video where a fictional Russian deputy allegedly detonates a bus stop with a grenade launcher, the authors of the YouTube channel face 15 years in prison?
... that Jeff Baena was encouraged to pitch his nun comedy movie The Little Hours after talking about medieval literature (depicted) while high and watching DOGTV?
ALT1: ... that members of the six-person crew for The Little Hours had to light some scenes with candles, which the cinematographer wicked herself?
ALT2: ... that preemptive religious criticism about nun movie The Little Hours ended up being used in an R-rated trailer to promote the movie?
ALT4: ... that writer-director Jeff Baena was high when he came up with The Little Hours, and producer-actor Aubrey Plaza was high when she promoted it (both pictured)?
ALT5: ... that The Little Hours was based on at least three stories from The Decameron, primarily the third day (depicted)?
Comment: Sources in article, other hook suggestions welcome!
Improved to Good Article status by Kingsif (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 144 past nominations.
Source: "Having decided that the D.C. courts were Article III courts, the Supreme Court had to reconcile the fact that such courts performed nonjudicial functions with the rule that constitutional courts can exercise only the judicial power of the United States. The Court did so by holding that, in establishing courts for the District, Congress performs dual functions pursuant to two distinct powers: its power to constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court [i.e., Article III court], and its plenary and exclusive power to legislate for the District of Columbia. [i.e., Article I tribunal]" https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S1-9-4/ALDE_00013607/
Reviewed:
Created by Lethargilistic (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Adequate sourcing: - As of writing, the article has two citation needed tags, two verification needed tags, one better source needed tag, and three further explanation needed tags.
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Earwig returns 84.8% similarity to the SCOTUS decision hosted at Justia. Much of the shared prose is attributable to quotes, but that speaks to the fact that 43 quotes in a 3.7K article is excessive. Furthermore, there are many phrases copied from the decision without attribution, such as lifting the phrase "By the act of Congress already referred to, his salary was fixed at [...]" without attribution to Justice Sutherland.
Other problems: - "said" seems like the wrong verb for a court, especially the highest one for a country. "held" would be more appropriate.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Unclear why Lethargilistic nominated this, given that at the time of submission, he had tagged sentences that he had written with "citation needed". Per my above comments, the sourcing remains inadequate and the prose is overly reliant on extended quotes with occasional instances of actual plagiarism. The necessary changes seem like an insurmountable amount of work while the article is sufficiently "new", but the cited analysis from law review articles is impressive, so I could definitely see this hook running in DYK after becoming a Good Article. ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬) 18:11, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ViridianPenguin:Sourcing: I use tags to keep track of my writing. If the article must be free of all citation needed tags, I could understand that, and I could easily fix that. But the idea that it cannot contain any tags whatsoever does not sound right. That just incentivizes people to not disclose/record how the article could be better.
Copying: The article has a high Earwig score because I copied public domain text. None of it is copyvio, and close paraphrasing is not at issue because it is not copyvio. That said, please actually read the plagiarism policy: [E]ven though there is no copyright issue, public-domain content is plagiarized if used without acknowledging the source.. Further, Whether it is copyright-expired or public domain for other reasons, material from public-domain sources is welcome on Wikipedia, but such material must be properly attributed. That is why all of the public domain sources other than the cases are marked with {{usgovpd}} if I copied from them. Any case text I copied is covered by the {{USGovernment-courts}} at the bottom and the citation to the specific case. All of it is attributed, so none of it is plagiarism. The fact that you, personally, would have written it a different way does not change the fact that what I have written follows the policy and the guidelines.
Other problems: Not a problem preventing DYK, and IMO insufficient formality is not a problem. Those aren't holding summaries. They're just quotes, so "said" is fine.
Overall: This "unclear" comment was unnecessarily snide, mate. I put a lot of work into this article, and I have never previously submitted a DYK. lethargilistic (talk) 20:08, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I misread which section VP's "other problems" comment was in and thought they were talking about the article's text. No objection to changing "said" to "held" in the DYK hook because that is, in fact, a holding summary. lethargilistic (talk) 20:31, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also use "citation needed" tags when writing articles to know where I have to go back and add more footnotes. My point is that if you know portions of the body are insufficiently supported, then the article is not ready to be presented on the main page right now. For the same reasons as your explanation, I am not accusing you of copyright infringement. However, frequent and extended quotations from SCOTUS cases violate the MOS:QUOTE guideline, which Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#External policy compliance seems to prohibit. I truly did not intend to denigrate your article writing, hence why I foresaw this level of research paving the path to a Good Article. I certainly did not want to scare you off from the DYK process, and I hope that you can forgive any offense caused as this is conversely my first DYK hook review. ViridianPenguin🐧 (💬) 22:30, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have copied that public domain text, not quoted it. It represents my WP:OWNWORDS, and it is attributed to comply with WP:PLAG. WP:QUOTE has nothing to do with that. There are places in the article where I have quoted. Those comply with the quote policy. If your interpretation was right, not only would WP:PLAG and the huge suite of templates like {{usgovpd}} be completely redundant, then the article would be interspersed with block quote formatting that would actively interfere with conveying the article's information. The objection, in that case, would be that the article was ugly. Ultimately, the objection to using public domain sources like this is an aesthetic difference between how you like to write and how I like to write, not something that interferes with Wikipedia's mission. How I like to write does not violate policy. lethargilistic (talk) 00:29, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have resolved the "citation needed" and "verification needed" tags. I don't think the others should stand in the way of DYK because they just mark where the article should be longer, not sourcing issues. The "better source needed" marks the use of a primary source that is fine, but I think it could be improved with a secondary source, if possible. lethargilistic (talk) 10:55, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Turner Memorial A.M.E. Church's building from 1951 to 2003
... that future Washington, D.C., mayor Marion Barry scandalized the leaders of Turner Memorial A.M.E. Church(pictured) by smoking cigarettes and cursing in the church?
ALT1: ... that a synagogue-turned-church(pictured) was put up for sale as a nightclub? Source: 'When Turner Memorial African Methodist Episcopal Church put its downtown sanctuary on the market, the real estate ad described it as "suitable for a nightclub." Four blocks away, in the tiny offices of the Jewish Historical Society of Greater Washington, Executive Director Laura Cohen Apelbaum had other ideas. She knew the building had housed two of the city's most venerable congregations: Turner since 1952 and Adas Israel Synagogue for nearly a half-century before that.' Washington Post, https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/12/24/a-jewish-landmark-again/883cb3d9-c54e-4297-a632-d3b2fe3eabd9/
A 5x expansion was completed within seven days of the nomination, and it meets the DYK length requirements. The two necessary QPQs have been accomplished, and no close paraphrasing was found. Both of the hooks are mentioned in the article and cited inline, and I am accepting the provided quotes here. Both of the hooks need to be reworded, however: the first hook needs to be revised to make it clear that Barry was not yet mayor at the time, but he was also a former mayor and not an upcoming mayor of Washington, D.C. (it would have also arguably been a BLP violation if Barry was still alive). The second hook, which is actually my preferred hook as I find it more interesting, needs to make it clear that it was never actually a nightclub. The current wording suggests that it was a nightclub at the time of the sale, when in fact the article states it was put up for sale, with it being said to be suitable as a nightclub. Please address the issues with both hooks and this will be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:48, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: ... that before he became mayor of Washington, D.C., Marion Barry scandalized the leaders of Turner Memorial A.M.E. Church(pictured) by smoking cigarettes and cursing in the church?
ALT1a: ... that a synagogue-turned-church(pictured) was marketed for sale as a potential nightclub?
Created by Fixer88 (talk), Sock (talk), and Bizarre Bizarre (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 340 past nominations.
... that the former ambassador of Indonesia to Cambodia Soehardjono Sastromihardjo was spared by Khmer Rouge forces after repeatedly shouting Indonesia? Source: Bisara, Dion (27 August 2012). "Indonesia Bonding With Cambodia in Trade". The Jakarta Globe. "Soehardjono Sastromihardjo, now Indonesian ambassador to Cambodia, was riding with a United Nations Transitional Authority in Cambodia convoy on a mission to supervise the country’s first general election, when a group of Khmer Rouge guerrillas appeared and stopped the convoy. AK-47 rifles and grenade launchers were pointed at the trucks, ready to fire; a slight misstep could have resulted in disaster. Without thinking, Soehardjono shouted: “Indonesia, Indonesia!” Almost instantly the guns were lowered and the guerrillas retreated."
Source:*Lavelle, Ryan (2010). Alfred's Wars Sources and Interpretations of Anglo-Saxon Warfare in the Viking Age. Woodbridge, Suffolk: Boydel Press. pp. 306–307. ISBN978-1-84383-569-1.
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Thelifeofan413 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Comment: No redlinks in hooks. Either remove it, or create the article and run this as a double hook if it is long enough. Roast (talk) 19:07, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I remove the red link in the hook by linking what the article links it do, but they’re spelled differently… for some reason? 1brianm7 (talk) 17:05, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not a review, but since I tried to fix the typo myself before being edit conflicted, I'd like to note that it'd help if the Lavelle source supported the hook since reinterpreting medieval histories tend to cross the WP:SYNTH line (similar to WP:GRLIT). ミラP@Miraclepine17:12, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Sorry for being a day late, hope you don't mind
Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 800 past nominations.
... that Suprapto Martosetomo's house in the Philippines became a refuge for Indonesian students during the 1989 Philippine coup attempt? Source: "Suprapto Martosetomo, Duta di Takhta Suci". Hidup Katolik. 9 November 2011. p. 1. "Saat berkarya di Manila, Filipina, rumahnya menjadi tempat mengungsi para mahasiswa asal Indonesia. ”Saat itu terjadi usaha kudeta Presiden Cory Aquino. Tentara pemberontak sudah menguasai wilayah Metro Manila termasuk tempat mahasiswa. Maka, demi keselamatan, para mahasiswa tinggal di tempat saya." [While working in Manila, Philippines, his house became a refuge for Indonesian students. "At that time, there was an attempted coup against President Cory Aquino. Rebel troops had taken control of Metro Manila, including the student housing complex. So, for their safety, the students stayed with me.
AGF on the quotation as the offline magazine. Otherwise, article is well-referenced and hook is interesting. QPQs have been provided, article new and long enough. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 04:31, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Indonesian ambassador Alfred Tanduk Palembangan was inspired to become a diplomat through interaction with tourists? Source: Kurapak, Okto (2005). Profil pemuda Toraja, 2006: pribadi-pribadi sumber inspirasi dan pembelajaran (in Indonesian). Lakipadada Publisher. pp. 1. ISBN 978-979-96415-1-9. "Cita - cita menjadi diplomat , sebenarnya sudah terpatri dalam dirinya , sejak masih di Toraja, dengan pertemuan dengan wisatawan mancanegara ketika ia masih menuntut ilmu di sekolah menengah di Toraja..." [The dream of becoming a diplomat had actually been ingrained in him since he was in Toraja, with meetings with foreign tourists when he was still studying at high school in Toraja...]
... that asylum seekers have been protesting for almost 400 consecutive days in the UNHCR humanitarian center in Agadez, Niger?
Source: "By late-2025, the protests continue for almost 400 consecutive days, making them one of the longest-running refugee-led demonstrations in North Africa."
ALT1: ... that refugees have been protesting for 400 consecutive days in the UNHCR humanitarian center in Agadez, Niger? Source: "By late-2025, the protests continue for almost 400 consecutive days, making them one of the longest-running refugee-led demonstrations in North Africa."
Reviewed:
Comment: If posted before 27 October, use "almost 400", if posted on 27 October, use "400", if posted after 27 October use "over 400".
Created by Afonso Dimas Martins (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
Overall: Well written article on an important topic. My comments are all on the hook. First, it says "in Agadez" rather than "near Agadez" as the article says. Second, and more importantly, we don't have a source for the 400 consecutive days. I see one in article article 303 days (presumably written c.97 days ago). To be able to use the 400 number, we need a source confirming the protests are still going and have remained daily. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:16, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article was moved to mainspace on the 23rd and nominated on the same day. It also meets the length requirements. No QPQ is needed as the nominator has less than five nominations. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The hook is mentioned, cited inline, and verified in the source. However, I have reservations if it meets WP:DYKINT. If a reader is unfamiliar with Holden, they may not understand the hook's significance and thus find it uninteresting. I would suggest proposing alternative hooks. If you are having trouble, I can invite Icepinner, another Singaporean editor and a DYK regular, to assist you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:34, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the ping, Narutolovehinata5. Fyi, I have read your message on Discord, but have not yet had the chance to properly read through the entire article. I'm a little bit busy with IRL stuff, but am willing to suggest any alternative hooks if the nominator is having trouble. I note that I discussed ALT0 with a couple of other users off-Wiki, and one of them thinks it doesn't meet WP:DYKINT since it's just a party giving another party an object. I do think the hook could be interesting since it's structured in a way such that readers would think Lim gave Holden an actual lion head, but it is rather a borderline case. Icepinner15:03, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The new wording is an improvement, although it still seems to be a borderline case at best. I can see others finding it interesting though, so I'm willing to ask for a second opinion regarding ALT1. Otherwise, we could ask for more options or advice, perhaps from another editor like ZKang123. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:36, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's def an improvement, but I think it's chunkier now and I felt it should be kept in the active writing than passive, given the hook is supposed to be on the subject. So I might rewrite smth like:
Thank you. I'm still not 100% sure if that specific hook fact is interesting to others, so I am inviting a second opinion regarding its interest. Given the discussion above, only ALT2b is for consideration. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:09, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're free to pursue that hook, as I'm not formally reviewing this. I personally just avoid negative hooks, "unduly" or not. Best.—Bagumba (talk) 20:52, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the reasons for nominating this and such, but I think having a DYK on such a recent criminal allegation/investigation is a bit undesirable when considering BLP. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk)20:55, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Thanks for bringing this up. Upon checking a few related sources ([26] and [27]), they both state that they were paid exclusively with foodstuffs and cigarettes. This is an error on my end and I have amended the text as such. Thanks again for noticing this. – actuall7 (talk | contrib) 13:59, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Full review needed. (For what it's worth, my proposed hook would have been ALT1: ... that Asiah Aman(pictured) was paid with food and cigarettes for her first performances?).--Launchballer16:23, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that Max Beckmann painted Traum von Monte Carlo(pictured) while exiled in Amsterdam, portraying a casino he once visited as an allegorical vision of destruction and moral decay?
Comment: Re. QPQ: 6 articles reviewed for the Viren Nettasinghe nom, cash in 1 and 2/6 for this. There's a good PD picture that could be used. Aiming for a Halloween/October 31/November 1 special date if open.
Created by Kingsif (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 145 past nominations.
... that Jonathan Meades described the patrons of San Lorenzo as "Arms dealers, horizontals, rock legends, educationally subnormal royals, ladies who lunch, rag trade morons, ladies who shop, actors [and] supermodels"?
... that British physiotherapist Jane Madders developed relaxation training for pregnant women and migraine patients and helped establish the first relaxation charity in Britain?
(2) "The experiment has taken the form of a course in muscle relaxation, devised and directed by Mrs. Jane Madders ... Mrs. Madder's pupils were 20 patients recommended by Dr. K. M. Hay, of Birmingham Migraine Clinic, as victims of very severe and frequent attacks." https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-birmingham-post-relax-this-is-the/163062660/
(3) "Britain’s first relaxation charity—Relaxation for Living (RforL) ... Physiotherapist and health educator Jane Madders was the key inspiration behind the organization’s therapeutic ambitions and practical set up. Madders acted as a technical advisor, leading the training of RforL teachers and later became Chairwoman of the organization." https://doi.org/10.1057%2Fpalcomms.2016.43
QPQ: - Not done Overall: Needs its QPQ, as you've noted, ping me when it's done. I was curious that there's no information in the article about her life before college but I assume you have worked with the information available. Anyway - hook fact is supported, and as I'd never even heard of a relaxation charity I find it interesting. DrThneed (talk) 02:46, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Mr Chen, who remains at large, is accused of being the mastermind behind a "sprawling cyber-fraud empire" operating under his multi-national company, the Prince Group, said the US Department of Justice (DOJ)."[1]
"An airline that has become the first Cambodian company to attempt to list itself on a U.S. stock exchange has substantial ties to a notorious business conglomerate dogged by allegations of criminality"[2]
"Chen, through the Hong Kong-registered Asia Corporation, acquired a 50 percent stake in Habanos, the worldwide distributor of Cuban cigars, and subsequently leveraged this control to inflate market prices."[3]
Overall: Expanded from redirect and nominated within window. QPQ done; only one required. Copyvio Detector clear after I removed some unnecessary quotations from CNN. Three issues: (1) The hook is interesting, but it's not precisely accurate. The DOJ press release describes a sprawling cyber-fraud empire operating under the Prince Group umbrella, which is not necessarily the same as saying the company is the cyber-fraud empire. It could mean that the company provides cover for the scams through its legitimate investments and subsidiaries. That doesn't mean the company isn't a participant in the alleged crimes, just pointing out that the hook doesn't precisely match the source. (2) By attributing the charges to the company and not Chen, we don't automatically implicate a WP:BLPCRIME issue, and AFAIK there is no similar policy about criminal allegations related to companies. But given that Chen was indicted alongside the company, we're verging into BLPCRIME territory with a hook that uses the description of the prosecution in an ongoing case to describe the subject. (3) The "history" section includes a lot of padding on Chen's bio that's unrelated to the Prince Group. If that were to be removed per WP:DUE, we're very close to the DYK character minimum. I also think there's a presentability issue with the quasi-bullet point format of the history section, and I'd like to see that recast in encyclopedic prose. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:22, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: Thanks for the review. Point by point:
(1) I see what you're saying. How about this: ...The Prince Group owns an airline, controls Cuban cigar distribution, and according to the US Department of Justice, operates "a sprawling cyber-fraud empire"?
(2) I'm not seeing that this is a problem. The Prince Group as a company is explicitly indicted, and the hook does not mention Chen at all.
(3) Since this is a current news topic, the article is being heavily edited (by other users, not just me). Chen Zhi (businessman) was recently spun off into its own article, and I plan on moving all the biographical bits about Chen into that article.
Also, could you expand on the "Long enough" flag? Per DYKCheck, the article is at 2888 chars, comfortably above 1500 (even after the Chen content above is hived off). Asamboi (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Asamboi: (1-2) My concern is that we should not be putting unproven criminal charges on the homepage, even for a company and not a person. How is this for a more factual approach that doesn't involve repeating the prosecutorial perspective: ALT2: ... that the Prince Group owns an airline, controls Cuban cigar distribution—and was sanctioned by British and U.S. authorities as an alleged transnational criminal organization? (Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/10/26/cyber-scamming-prince-group-syndicate-singapore/, https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70jz8e00g1o). This leaves out the question of guilt or innocence and focuses on facts (sanctions were imposed). (3) My character count once the extraneous info is removed is 1619, which could fall under 1500 easily with a copy edit by another editor. I would focus on fleshing the article out a bit and providing more buffer, as well as prosifying the list-like nature of the "History" section. (I should add that the word count alone won't hold up approval of the nomination, but if another editor trims the page further, a prep builder or queuer might need to bump it back to the unapproved list.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Improved to Good Article status by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) and Spilia4 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.
View of Härlingstorp and its surroundings by Thora Thersner
... that after her father's death, Thora Thersner completed his work documenting Swedish buildings and landscapes in topographical volumes?
Source: [28] "When her father died, she was only ten years old. She continued however in her father’s footsteps and completed his work on comprehensive volumes of topographical illustrations of Swedish landscapes and buildings past and present,"
ALT1: ... that Thora Thersner created 364 illustrations for 91 volumes of Fordna och närvarande Sverige? Source: [29] "At her death in 1867, the work comprised 91 volumes containing 364 illustrations"
Interesting: - I don't find it particularly interesting.
QPQ: Done.
Overall: @Spiderpig662: Interesting article. I have some concerns about the women's biography source, since it cites the Swedish Wikipedia article as a source. I can't tell if that was retroactively added (since it is also cited in the Swedish Wikipedia article), or what exactly is happening, but I'm not sure its reliable. I don't find the hook suggestions particularly interesting. I would suggest ALT2: ... that after her father's death, Thora Thersner assumed his work of drawing landscapes, despite having no experience drawing landscapes (example pictured)? An image of a landscape she drew could probably be added to make it an image hook. 1brianm7 (talk) 14:37, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
I clarified my final sentence1brianm7 (talk) 15:03, 28 October 2025 (UTC) and I improved my hook suggestion's grammar. 1brianm7 (talk) 15:27, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article was created on October 24 (within the seven days) and as of now has 2763 characters (445 words) of readable prose size. The article is well-sourced, neutral in tone and free of plagiarism. The hooks are both interesting an supported by inline citations. The double QPQ requierements have been fullfilled. I approve of this nomination, but I just want to point to three things.
with ALT1, Berberian was still Berio's wife when the piece was composed, so "former" seems unnecesary to me.
In the lead, it is stated the piece was premiered by Berberian on 2006, while in the next section the date is 1966.
I am unsure about the copyright status of the recording featured in the external links. If possible it should be substituted with one taken from an official channel. NeoGaze (talk) 00:12, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the review. I fixed the performance year in the lead, don't remember of what I was dreaming when I typed that nonsense. The other years, however: they were divorced in 1964, and he composed it in 1965, so? I don't know if there is an official recording online with her. Will look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:04, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To whom it may concern: just letting you know that due to severe and intermittent broadband issues I may not be able to respond to questions immediately, if at all. Apologies. I am checking my watchlist when possible, and attempting to prioritise DYK issues when possible. Storye book (talk) 09:32, 28 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: @TouchedWithFire: I read the Guardian article awhile ago, pretty interesting. I also took the liberty of adding the photo to the hook. The sources are all legit, but I can't say I disagree with the reader who tagged it as possibly incorporating AI generated text. I removed some of the obvious stuff, but it's still there. Most pressing, the last seven sentences are not currently cited. I've also proposed an ALT1 to make the hook less clunky. 1brianm7 (talk) 02:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TouchedWithFire: okay, everything is sourced and the text looks mostly fine, so I’m approving
I think this will have to be pulled. I have serious concerns regarding LLM usage with this article, and further, a read of the German version makes it clear that it is full of factual inaccuracies. It would be embarrassing to let this go to the main page in this state - it needs to be rewritten. MediaKyle (talk) 18:10, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed my approval until this can be resolved. Looking at the German version through Google translate, the only things that stick out are some bad phrasing, redundancy, and a few eh sentences ("reflecting his role as an educated professional within the Nazi academic milieu"). I don't see any factual inaccuracies. The prose has significant similarities with the German article, so I'm fairly certain parts of it were translated (by the creator or an LLM I don't know), but it is not attributed as such. Pinging creator @TouchedWithFire:1brianm7 (talk) 19:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm taking a step back. Yesterday I worked on the article for an hour, added sources, and rewrote a large part of it. I wanted to take part in DYK because it seemed interesting and important to me, I hope I'll succeed next time. TouchedWithFire (talk) 04:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TouchedWithFire: I’ve found appearing on DYK to be a fulfilling part of writing an article, I’m sorry that this experience hasn’t been the best for you. If you so desire, I’ll reject this nomination. However, I would recommend against doing so as this can still be accepted until it timeouts in about two months, and you might change your mind. Looking at the article’s content, I don’t see any factual inaccuracies or problem with its biographical content (pinging @MediaKyle: to ask what they saw), just some redundancy and problems with sources not being placed next to text they support. The article is by no means unable to be brought to standard and those problems are not impossible to solve. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:58, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, I really appreciate your reply. If so, I will follow your advice and would ask that the door remain open. I will work on it soon and try to bring it up to par. TouchedWithFire (talk) 07:22, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the article states that Onnen is the likely murderer while the hooks portray him as the undisputed murderer. It's one or the other and this needs to be settled before this can run. Bremps...16:06, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... that G. Michael Brown said that his 1980 conviction of four mobsters showed that the Mafia wasn't merely "a figment of Hollywood's imagination."?
Source: [30] "The prosecutor, Assistant Attorney General G. Michael Brown, said the convictions proved that the national crime conspiracy commonly called the Mafia and described in the trial as 'this thing of ours' is not 'a figment of Hollywood's imagination.'"
Reviewed:
Comment: QPQ review is forthcoming
5x expanded by Alansohn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 59 past nominations.
Converted from a redirect by Miraclepine (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 109 past nominations.
The article was converted from a redirect within seven days of the nomination and meets the length and newness requirements. The necessary QPQs have been completed and given. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The hooks are cited inline and verified in the source. However, I'm not really sure about this potential hook angle. Going from a singer-songwriter to being a singer does not really sound all that unusual, does it? It's still singing. I wonder if you could include her voice acting career there somewhere to add interest. Other than that, maybe other hook angles are possible? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Well, in my defense, I though the redundancy would make it interesting to stand out. After all, we've run several hooks with redundancy as the punchline. And I don't think noting the VA career is needed if the punchline's related to her music career, or it can get a little too long. In any event, I think I found two more hooks to strengthen the interest with more redundancy, as well as another set with more info I found:
ALT3: ... that Yuki Wakai gave up her dream to be a singer-songwriter to become an idol singer, only to later become a singer-songwriter? Source: per ALT0
ALT4: ... that Yuki Wakai decided to be an idol singer instead of a singer-songwriter, only to later become a singer-songwriter? Source: per ALT0
... that notable scholars of media capture say that events in 2025 in the United States are "unbelievable" and "worse than anything we imagined"?
Source: Simon, Joel (2025-08-05). "Why so many experts think media capture is already a reality in America". Columbia Journalism Review. Retrieved 2025-10-21. Now experts warn that media capture has come to the United States. "We watch unbelievingly," Mungiu-Pippidi said. "In the old days we thought capture was mostly a problem in Africa and Latin America and then in Eastern Europe after the fall of the Berlin Wall," noted Anya Schiffrin, another scholar of media capture and the director of the Technology, Media, and Communications specialization at Columbia University. "What's happened in the last six months in the US is worse than anything we imagined.".
Comment: The word "notable" is used as Mungiu-Pippidi is the scholar whose definition of media capture is most widely used, and Schiffrin is the scholar who has written or edited the most publications on the subject.
Created by Onceinawhile (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 84 past nominations.
Not reviewing it, but there is a problem I have with the article: in the scope of the article you mention "platform capture" (social media) but you don't speak about social media apart from the very first sentence and from a cursory look you don't seem to cite any source that speaks about social media. Is there a reason for this? Szmenderowiecki (talk) 00:56, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that “...Your mind is caged, let it free. My body is not, let it be … My choice: to love a man, or a woman, or both. Remember, you are my choice. I’m not your privilege. ..." is from 2015 Film My Choice?
ALT2: ... that “2015 film My Choice features music by French composer Mathias Duplessy, using percussion instruments for acoustics along with Mongolian Tuvan throat singing technique?
ALT3:... that The rise of neoliberal feminism, as seen in film My Choice, stems from complex gender constructions across states, markets, and civil societies encompassing multiple ideological intersections?
Source: Secondary: Chakraborty, Gauri D. (24 March 2023). "6. New Feminist Visibilities and Sisterhood: Re-interpreting Marriage Desire and Self-Fulfillment in mainstream Hindi Cinema" (PDF). In Chakraborty Paunksnis, Runa; Paunksnis, Šarūnas (eds.). Gender, Cinema, Streaming Platforms: Shifting Frames in Neoliberal India. Germany: Springer International Publishing. pp. 154, 155. doi:10.1007/978-3-031-16700-3_6. ISBN 978-3-031-16700-3
ALT4: ... that Lyrics of 2015 film My Choice were written by Kersi Khambatta?
Comment: Now the article has been assessed as B class.( dif of the article talk page history) Just for transparency and record: This is re-nomination (link to previous nomination page) after previous draftfication and reentry in the article namespace with due process of addressing issues raised during draftification with the help of WP:Teahouse feedback and copy edit supported by substantially by two copy editors and other multiple experienced copy editors too looked into the article, edited by 19 users by now (Link to Xtools) and re-entry by WP:AFC process. It has been confirmed at DYK talk page that the article can be re-nominated after reentry in the article namespace with due WP:AFC process.
Created by Bookku (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Also (from previous own comment):" To those having music related curiosity Alt2 might sound relatively more interesting, but this DYK's purpose is to focus on the film and not the music. I hope reviewers will take note of this aspect while taking the call."
Though for Alt5 we will need to consider two different different sentences from secondary source or form a sentence from primary source per MOS:FILMPLOT. As such WP:CALC says:
".. Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the results of the calculations are correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources. Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age, is almost always permissible. .."
... that former ambassador Kenssy Dwi Ekaningsih used her skills in traditional Javanese dance at diplomatic receptions during her first overseas assignment in Rome? Source: "Falsafah Jawa dalam Menari Jadi Senjata Dubes Kenssy Berdiplomasi" [Javanese Dance Philosophy Becomes Ambassador Kenssy’s Diplomatic Weapon]. Kagama.co. Kagama. 31 December 2019. Retrieved 26 October 2025. "Suatu hari pada 1990, Kenssy yang saat itu berusia 31 tahun, mesti terbang ke Roma, Italia, untuk memenuhi satu tugas dari Deplu. Kedutaan Besar Indonesia di Italia kala itu menyerahi dia amanah sebagai Third Secretary of Consular Affairs. Selama di Roma itulah dia mulai memberanikan diri mengusung misi budaya dalam tugas utamanya berdiplomasi. “Setiap resepsi diplomatik Saya masih bisa menari, karena masih langsing,” katanya, sambil tersenyum." [One day in 1990, Kenssy, then 31 years old, had to fly to Rome, Italy, to fulfill an assignment from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Indonesian Embassy in Italy at the time entrusted her with the position of Third Secretary of Consular Affairs. It was during her time in Rome that she began to venture into cultural missions as part of her primary diplomatic duties. "I could still dance at every diplomatic reception, because I was still slim," she said with a smile.]
ALT1: ... that Indonesia ambassador Kenssy Dwi Ekaningsih's support to the Indonesian political exiles in Prague resulted in the recognition of their constitutional rights? Source: Ni'am, Syakirun; Meiliana, Diamanty (29 August 2023). "Tangis Dubes RI untuk Ceko di Depan Mahfud MD, Ceritakan Eksil 1965, Nyanyikan Lagu Indonesia Raya" [Indonesian Ambassador to Czech Republic Cries Before Mahfud MD, Tells 1965 Exile Story, Sings Indonesia Raya]. Kompas.com (in Indonesian). Retrieved 26 October 2025. "Kenssy merupakan Duta Besar Republik Indonesia (Dubes RI) untuk Ceko yang telah membersamai korban eksil 1965 selama sekitar lima tahun terakhir...Pada kesempatan itu, Mahfud dan Yasonna mengatakan, Pemerintah berkomitmen memulihkan hak konstitusional para eksil 1965." [Kenssy is the Ambassador of the Republic of Indonesia (Dubes RI) to the Czech Republic who has been accompanying the victims of the 1965 exiles for the past five years... On that occasion, Mahfud and Yasonna said that the Government is committed to restoring the constitutional rights of the 1965 exiles.]
... that Bernard de Bluet d'Arbères, an illiterate court jester who styled himself the "Count of Permission", dictated over a hundred mystical writings?
... that for Romanian shepherds in the Carpathians, even the staff and the whip could sing, as the fluier (flute) was sometimes built directly into them?
Source: Original Romanian: Asemenea fluiere sînt uneori construite într-o bîtă («fluier în botă »), în care caz se taie în tub o deschizătură corespunzătoare găurii de jos a ţevii. Alteori, un fluier cu dop şi şase deschizături pentru degete se face în codirişca unui bici («fluier bici»).
English Translation: Such fluiers are sometimes constructed within a stick or staff (fluier în botă, literally 'flute in a stick'), in which case an aperture corresponding to the lowest finger hole of the pipe is cut into the outer casing. Alternatively, a fipple fluier (with a whistle mechanism) and six finger holes is constructed within the handle (shaft) of a whip (fluier bici, 'whip fluier').
Alexandru, Tiberiu (1956). Instrumentele muzicale ale poporului romîn [The musical instruments of the Romanian people] (in Romanian). București: Editura de stat pentru literatură şi artă, p.63
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- A section in this article seems to be copied almost verbatim from The Guardian. ([1])
This is my first review, so I've accordingly picked a topic I know a decent bit about, but I would nevertheless appreciate a second opinion. The infobox saying "known for rape in Parliament House (civil finding)" could potentially be a POV issue (one could argue Lehrmann is most well known for being accused of rape), but the "civil finding" and inline explanation, I think, makes it acceptable. ALT0 is acceptable (although I should note, as I'm sure you know, "controversy" and "collateral damage" are quotes from the judge, and I'm unsure about putting them in wikivoice), but I personally think ALT1 is more hooky. However, I think it suffers a bit from stilted phrasing, it could be somewhat unclear that "made the mistake of coming back for his hat" refers to Lehrmann given the omitted dots. Could something like "[h]aving escaped the lion's den, [Bruce] Lehrmann made the mistake of coming back for his hat" work? --LivelyRatification (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
ready to go on the main page. --LivelyRatification (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
Per this discussion at WT:DYK, the hook has been pulled pending further input on whether or not the article should run on DYK at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:59, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
Need a full review, my two cents one that explains why it's not "interesting or neutral in any way". ミラP@Miraclepine 01:11, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
New Enough and yep 5x expansion. Long enough (obviously). I think this is neutral. The 28.1% on earwig might be a false positive. The hook is interesting, and in the article. I WP:AGF the source above as for some reason I cannot access wayback machine. QPQ is done. The problem now is: a) there are unferenced statements (and even a citation needed tag) (
@Very Polite Person:, the newspaper.com sources (https://www.newspapers.com/image/967795249/ and https://www.newspapers.com/image/1222996847/ for anyone with access) state that he had predicted/found a pattern to where UFOs were sighted/nuclear tests occurred. I could be going blind but I don't see anywhere in the sources where it is stated that he proposed those things could be mathematically forecast. I think you need to adjust your hook.TarnishedPathtalk 11:04, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
I think this is biased. I think other users probably think the same. And that's not interesting, because it's news that's widely reported around the world. Cassilvwikis (talk) 02:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
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Article created 7 September. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 19:17, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
This still needs an independent reviewer; my preference remains ALT0b.--Launchballer 23:12, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
Doing... I will do this later today if possible. Very interesting subject. Earth605talk 05:46, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
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AGF on the quotation as the offline magazine. Otherwise, article is well-referenced and hook is interesting. QPQs have been provided, article new and long enough. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 04:31, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
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