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Requested move 11 April 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus, so article is reverted to its prior title of Metropolitan and peripheral Russia — Amakuru (talk) 10:50, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Core–periphery model in Russia → Metropolitan and peripheral Russia – Undiscussed move. Per the sources provided in article, "metropolitan Russia" are geographic and political, rather than purely economic terms or part of the core–periphery model. Mupper-san (talk) 06:01, 11 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 08:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Russia has been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 08:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does not matter has principal drawback regardless how you name it: it is pure unedulterated original research. However the current title makes more sense, while lacking understanding of the concept of "periphery" in Russia. --Altenmann >talk 10:57, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Original research

The article is full of original research, WP:SYNTH, and historical confusion, lacking understanding of the history and structure of Russia, conflating social, geographical, and social aspects. For starters, In Russian Empire everything besides Moscow and St.Petersburg were, "province", "backwaters", as immortalized in the lines of Griboedov: "В деревню, к тетке в глушь, в Саратов" ("To the village, to my aunt in the wilderness, to Saratov"). Another example of ridiculocity is listing Novosibirsk Oblast as an example of metro-peri split, putting it in the same list as Moscow, which show lack of elementary geographical understanding. I can continue this with every line --Altenmann >talk 10:55, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The wikipedian gives an example of 'zemstvos' as somehow defining what is "metropolitan". To claim that Right-bank Ukraine and Central Asia somehow become metropolian is so brainless I dont even known what to say. What is more, since the author concocted this text from various sources without really understanding the subject, the original version had a contradiction, putting Ukraine both into metropoly and colony.

The major problem is that different authors used the terms "metropoly"/core"/periphery"/"colony" is a haphazard, often occasional way, with no commonly accepted understanding. --Altenmann >talk 11:24, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article must be nuked and reqritten from scratch, starting with deinitions of terminology comiung from different atrticles. It is quite common that complex subjects are defined differently by different scholars. --Altenmann >talk 11:41, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. After stepping back, the article is so brainless, with pieces being plucked from chaotic sources, that I start suspecting it was written by an AI tool, which are a plague in Wikipedia recently. --Altenmann >talk 11:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am thoroughly surprized that the author of the great article, Belarusian economic miracle, created such a monstrocity. --Altenmann >talk 11:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]