Talk:Bashar al-Assad/Archive 3

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Murderer category

Should we keep the Category of Mass murderers for him? 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 15:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh, also.

A person with excessive trust in friends (or, alleged friends).

His "friend". Skillfully armed mercenaries! Russian-speaking mujahideen.

To support ISIS. (an info (from NATO Headquarters, Brussels) How Bashar al-Assad ( president of Etat , political Liader ) could be so wrong?!

::: ( Allahu Akbar!)195.244.167.108 (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2024 (2)

He arrived in Moscow with a fortune of 2 Billion dollars 2603:6010:BB00:288B:FCC5:101:23D3:AAFF (talk) 17:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

That is a reprint of a Daily Mail article. Per WP:DAILYMAIL, that is not a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 09:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

 Already done: Already says it in the article. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 18:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328. I didn't add the Daily Mail citation since there already was one in the article. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 14:25, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2024

"who died on 10 June 2000" change to "who had died on 10 June 2000" (The use of the past perfect tense is more accurate due to the chronological order, as the death of Assad's father occurred before his election as president on July 17, 2000.)

"taking charge of the Syrian occupation of Lebanon in 1998" change to "took charge of the Syrian occupation of Lebanon in 1998" (This change is due to the use of the simple past tense, which is more appropriate for this type of sentence) Mehran 232345 (talk) 09:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

 Done Bowler the Carmine | talk 20:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Mass murderer category

Would the mass murderer category be appropriate for him? Yes his regime was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands but would it be appropriate to add it for him? 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:F802:7211:6E15:A488 (talk) 12:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

While you're probably thinking of mass killing and not mass murder, it's tricky, Assad was considered a dictator and was probably responding for the deaths of many people, but that's guesswork at this point. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 14:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

War criminal category

Would a war criminal category be appropriate here since he was accused of war crimes? 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:EC8D:E7CC:DCB:F6A2 (talk) 20:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Presidency of Bashar al-Assad page

The Presidency of Bashar al-Assad page is blank while this BLP covers his presidency in detail. Is there a split in agreement or should that page be deleted? Titan2456 (talk) 05:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

There was no consensus for a split; an editor was bold and changed it from a redirect to the bones of an article. It should be changed back to a redirect because there is no content. Yue🌙 06:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@WikiCleanerMan do you agree? Titan2456 (talk) 15:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

I have begun adding information borrowing from Assad's article. Both articles should not be duplicating information entirely. I think the main Assad article needs to be trimmed down from about his presidency because it contains too much information that can be solely on this article. On a side not, this article contains too many images as well. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to split the current presidency section to that article. Add all of the content under this article's presidency section to that article and you can summarize it here. Titan2456 (talk) 15:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

is he a politician???

Why is this dictator even called "politician"? Was he elected? Was the election free and fair? Dear wikipedia, why don't you refer hitler, stalin or mao as a "politician"? I mean the "d-word" is so rude... 92.249.214.251 (talk) 13:03, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

his dad was made leader by a military coup and since bashar came to power if you talked ONE WORD bad about him, your children will get poisoned and you will never see their face again, and you would be killed or forced in the army. 2001:1970:55E8:7F00:60F6:D4AD:9672:10DE (talk) 19:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

These are the opening sentence of the Wikipedia articles on Hitler, Stalin and Mao:

"Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈaːdɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] ^ⓘ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician..."

Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin (born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili; 18 December [O.S. 6 December] 1878 – 5 March 1953) was a Soviet politician..."

Mao Zedong (26 December 1893 – 9 September 1976) was a Chinese politician..."

What's your point? DeCausa (talk) 20:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, those three were in politics, before becoming dictators and Bashar inhereted presidency from his father. Imperator159 (talk) 10:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Mao Tse-Tung came to power with a civil war. What's your point? Deus vult fratres! (talk) 13:28, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

"was he elected?"

Politician does not mean 'elected.'

"wikipedia why don't you refer to Hitler [et al] as politicians?"

Hitler, Stalin and Mao are called politicians on Wikipedia.

"why is this dictator even called a politician"

All dictators are politicians.

Only a politician can be called a dictator.

It is unnecessary to litter talk pages asking imaginary questions you should have answered by looking up 'politician'

"any person who has participated in governing or making policies or laws, especially holding a position or office in government" Pimprncess (talk) 21:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Image update

I feel like the image needs to be updated, and I have some alternatives, but instead of doing it on my volition I am going to let you all decide.

• 
  A
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  B
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  C
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  D

PopularGames (talk) 23:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

And why do we need to change the image? The original one looks fine to me. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 00:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as well. The current image is from 2024. It doesn't need to be updated just because the guy is unemployed now. Cortador (talk) 06:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose he looks like herb in all of the photos. No reason to change. --Giacomo1968 (talk) 23:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: I oppose the change, the present image is fine. --TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 03:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support C : looks best as a portrait. Shadow4dark (talk) 10:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• C or D looks best. Setarip (talk) 14:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose : the current one is just fine and is recent ProudWatermelon (talk) 21:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support C : smiling seems to always be favored on politicians portraits, same rule should apply to dictators as well.

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2024

In November 2024, a coalition of Syrian rebels succeeded in liberating many cities from the regime forces[7][8] On the morning of 8 December, as rebel troops first entered Damascus, Assad fled to Moscow and was granted political asylum by the Russian government.[9][10] Later that day, Damascus fell to rebel forces, and Assad's regime collapsed. Syrian people filled the streets with joy, celebrating the end of a dictatorship-era.[11][12][13] NourKh86 (talk) 13:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Skitash (talk) 15:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

allegiance has the new Syrian interim gov flag instead of Ba'athist Syria flag

i dont think assad is or wants to be tied to the interim government, i think his allegiance lies with Ba'athist Syria lol LeonVolturno (talk) 21:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

dictator

Editor @Therealbey removed my addition of the "dictator" label in the opening paragraph with the reasoning "He is not!". Since motivations are insufficient, I've reinstated the addition as "ruled in a dictatorship", which has a nice flow, avoids a too stringent label, and is extremelly precise on what sources are reporting. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 13:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

The label "dictator" is sufficiently sourced and described in the article body. It belongs in the lead without euphemism. Yue🌙 06:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. My formulation is not an euphemism though, I have kept the more general term "politician" and described more precisely that he "ruled Syria as a dictator". Sounds good enough for me. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 16:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

which has been removed by @Setarip who has asked editors to refer to this talk page discussion. Could @Setarip please clarify? Theofunny (talk) 14:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

It is just an undiscussed removal of a well sourced extremelly relevant addition. It was restored in the first sentence dictator form, which I find equivalent to the one I've used. Both are good, the only thing that it is unacceptable is the dictatorship erasure from first paragraph. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 17:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bashar_al-Assad#Bashar_the_dictator_in_the_first_sentence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bashar_al-Assad#The_word_%22dictator%22_in_the_lead Setarip (talk) 14:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Why is the pronunciation bə-SHAR AL-ə-SAHD which puts the stress incorrectly on the final syllable depicted in the opening note of this article? The stress should be on the "AH" part per the Arabic pronunciation, approximating the American English pronunciation of "Acid". Colipon+(Talk) 01:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Source this please. 2600:100C:A21D:971A:3DFA:A9B2:FCD8:A60 (talk) 06:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

International support

If you are gonna add a sub-head 'Far-right' you might as well add one called 'Far-left' since several radical left leaders and organizations have supported him. Don't show your biasm this clearly. At least pretend to be objective once in a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A212:A583:8C80:A927:9308:5AB4:CC1B (talk) 10:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Section title renamed

We should renamed the section of "Exile in Russia" -> "Downfall and Exile" or "Downfall and Exile in Russia" (or any other name) because the section talking about Assad's final month(s) and eventually exile to Russia. Right now, I'm going to change the second to the latter to somewhat make sense. But If someone had reverted (or make a better section title), I want to know in good faith why. SpartanMazda (talk) 09:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2024

This part: On 23 December 2024, it was reported that Asma al-Assad had filed for divorce after being dissatisfied with life in Moscow.[447] However, the reports were denied by the Russian government.[448] should either be removed or reedited with sources refilled. 2003:100:3700:8C00:C49B:48AA:5305:49BF (talk) 02:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Do you have any sources? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 02:55, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ivebeenhacked: Have you read what I wrote in the first place? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:100:3700:8c00:c49b:48aa:5305:49bf (talk) 03:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I misread. I've fixed the citations. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 04:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)