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The result was keep. — CactusWriter (talk) 22:58, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Graffiti in Houston (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No evidence of passing WP:GNG. Paradoctor (talk) 17:26, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per GNG. Plenty of sources shared on the article's talk page. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:39, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- A) Sources belong in the article.
- B) None of the sources is about the article's topic, which is "Graffitti in Houston". Where are the sources that describe and analyze Graffitti in Houston as a whole? Put this stuff into the article, and you have The Simpsons, but consisting only of descriptions of a handful of episodes.
- Where are the sources that describe the scene as a whole, compare it to other local scenes, present a history of Houston graffitt? That's what you need to establish notability. Paradoctor (talk) 18:28, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- I note that the PROD was concerned that Graffiti in Houston is not significant enough for an article, aka non-notable. The concern was not that the current article is "short", as
youwas claimed inyourthe revert}}. Paradoctor (talk) 18:43, 10 May 2025 (UTC); edited 21:00, 10 May 2025 (UTC)- Not sure what you mean by "your revert". I am not User:StarTrekker. I agree, the sources belong in the article, but we'll have to disagree re: notability. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:55, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- You're right. Sorry about the mixup. Fixed now. Paradoctor (talk) 21:01, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean by "your revert". I am not User:StarTrekker. I agree, the sources belong in the article, but we'll have to disagree re: notability. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:55, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts and Texas. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:15, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep I believe this does pass GNG. These articles cover the scene, culture and history of graffiti in Houston: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. The city is also home to a graffiti park which has gotten coverage as well as the The Graffiti and Street Art Museum of Texas.★Trekker (talk) 22:09, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - The bulk of this is written from the point of view of the artistic display of graffiti. If that's how it's meant to be, perhaps the title of the article should be changed to reflect that. I left a little paragraph in the graffiti removal section that reflects the bad side of graffiti. It would be a helpful balance if it also indicated the annual taxpayer cost of Houston removing the graffiti. — Maile (talk) 22:13, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Maile66 I agree and would welcome more info re: removal efforts. For what it's worth, I'm just adding content as I come across sources, without preference to artistic vs. removal and "bad side". I've also worked on similar articles for other U.S. cities, some of which are the opposite and are more focused on removal efforts than art. Thanks for contributing to the article!, which I hope will continue to be expanded. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:08, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - This is a good-faith Keep. You work the same way I do at times. — Maile (talk) 01:34, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 03:53, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Noël St. John Harnden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotional in tone and a clear WP:CREATIVE and WP:GNG fail in my opinion. Aspening (talk) 01:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and Visual arts. Aspening (talk) 01:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Cyprus, England, New York, Virginia, and Washington, D.C.. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Orphaned article with weak sources, from galleries, press release and only one news post. Subject of the article is not notable. Notability is not proved. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 01:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm not finding anything to substantiate the notability of this artist after BEFORE searching. The current citations do not establish notability with the exception of the review in the Jakarta Post, but that is not enough to meet WP:GNG nor WP:NARTIST. There are no notable exhibitions or collections in notable museums or national galleries that could be found. Netherzone (talk) 16:18, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Jakarta Post source is the only decent one to establish notability. I couldn't find anything else during WP:BEFORE. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - a WP:BLP sourced almost entirely to "YouTube and EBay," commercial gallery websites, press releases, and 404 pages. Bearian (talk) 00:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:32, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Trace Fryer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I've done a deep BEFORE search on this person by all three names she has used, as well as the name of her gallery, but have not found much more than social media, primary sources, user-submitted content. Note that there are two other people named Trace Fryer out there so a careful search is necessary. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. There were couple mentions of shows that took place at her gallery, but no mention of her or about the gallery itself, so does not meet WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. As a musician I could find nothing. I found one thing that she wrote, for STEAM Journal, but that's not enough to meet WP:NAUTHOR. Current sourcing is not enough to establish notability either. Bringing this here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Source Assessment Table below
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Animal Human Art in Steam Journal - https://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1249&context=steam
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Steam Journal table of contents - https://scholarship.claremont.edu/steam/
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Animal Studies Association - https://animalstudies.org.au/about
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✘ No |
Animal Studies Association image gallery - https://animalstudies.org.au/gallery
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✘ No |
TAJ Art, Inc. - https://www.tajartinc.com/bcorp
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✘ No |
The Coldwater Story - https://coldwaterstory.com/2022/02/01/bye-bye-boring-gray-utility-boxes/
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Artillery Magazine - https://artillerymag.com/events/perfectly-imperfect/
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✘ No |
Animal-Human Art - https://scholarship.claremont.edu/steam/vol4/iss2/23/
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✘ No |
Animal Studies Association - https://animalstudies.org.au/gallery
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✘ No |
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Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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Animal Human Art in Steam Journal - https://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1249&context=steam
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Steam Journal table of contents - https://scholarship.claremont.edu/steam/
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- Comment regarding the second source assessment table. None of the these three sources meet WP:GNG by a long shot. The Human Animal Art piece in Steam Journal is not independent nor is it secondary, because she wrote it, created the two images and submitted it herself to the journal. A two sentence artist statement she wrote herself is not significant coverage. WP needs to know what others have said about her and her work, not what she says about it. WP:SIGCOV would be something like an independent column-long review about her work in a notable art magazine or newspaper (authored by someone else), or a chapter on her work in an art history book. The second source is simply an entry on a table of contents listing her name and the title of the artist statement she wrote. That is not significant coverage, it is non-independent trivial coverage, a simple name check. The last one is a single sentence in her alumni newsletter, therefore non-independent, stating that she had a piece in a show. That is not in-depth, independent significant coverage either. Netherzone (talk) 00:29, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- I understand what you are saying and I will look for that type of article as well as improved references. Starlighsky (talk) 01:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Bands and musicians, Poetry, Visual arts, Museums and libraries, Business, and California. Netherzone (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The uniqueness of the artist working with and publishing articles in animal culture and related issues is noteworthy. Starlighsky (talk) 02:07, 8 May 2025 (UTC)Starlighsky — Note: Starlightsky is the creator of the article that is the subject of this AfD.
- Keep 73.247.25.130 (talk) 21:45, 9 May 2025 (UTC) — 73.247.25.130 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- KEEP, This person has several credible sources online showcasing their artistic contributions as well as humanitarian causes, including a website listed under https://www.tajartinc.com/ which has been registered since 2015, and https://somethingromantical.com/ which showcases Trace's current musical venture. SensoryX (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2025 (UTC)— SensoryX (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Both of these citations are user-submitted content by the artist themself, so they do not contribute to notability. I'm really curious as to how @SensoryX and the IP 73.247.25.130 above found this specific AfD out of the blue to make your first edits ever to the encyclopedia. Please explain, as it's unusual. Netherzone (talk) 23:22, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- I am submitted this information because I have seen this person's work, and have been to their establishments in the past, I am not the person noted in this article. I am not submitting on anyone's behalf, Im only submitting my own personal information that I know to be true. Im also not responsible for your feelings of "this being unusual", so I do not have to explain that. Is this site now authenticated based on if something being typical now?
- I'm not sure why your expressing personal feelings here, wikipedia is meant to showcase information about the articles headline, and I have done so. I'm only speculating, but you seem to have a personal issue or agenda with this page unrelated to its authenticity. SensoryX (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Respectfully, no. Saying it's "unusual" is not a feeling, it is an observation. Wikipedia has almost 7 million articles; it is unusual that two brand new editors, who have never edited WP before would find this specific AfD out of the blue to make their very first edits. And no, I do not have any personal issues or agendas. Netherzone (talk) 15:05, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Both of these citations are user-submitted content by the artist themself, so they do not contribute to notability. I'm really curious as to how @SensoryX and the IP 73.247.25.130 above found this specific AfD out of the blue to make your first edits ever to the encyclopedia. Please explain, as it's unusual. Netherzone (talk) 23:22, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- KEEP, This person has several credible sources online showcasing their artistic contributions as well as humanitarian causes, including a website listed under https://www.tajartinc.com/ which has been registered since 2015, and https://somethingromantical.com/ which showcases Trace's current musical venture. SensoryX (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2025 (UTC)— SensoryX (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep 73.247.25.130 (talk) 21:45, 9 May 2025 (UTC) — 73.247.25.130 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete - For the previous voter, uniqueness is not the same as notability, which is required for a Wikipedia article that covers how/if she has made a mark in independent media. This one is an attempted resume and personal portfolio like any that could be found at her own sites. It appears that she is making an honest living with some intriguing art and writing, but there is not enough for an encyclopedic article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
Comment: I just want to add that the author is unique in the creation of Animal-Human art. Uniqueness is mentioned in WP:NAUTHOR as "The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique;".Starlighsky (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)Starlighsky
- @I respectfully disagree that this artist was unique in creating "Animal-Human art". Depictions of animal-human hybrids have been around since prehistoric cave painting. Also, consider depictions of the Griffin, Minotaur, Centaur and other mythological creatures. Netherzone (talk) 14:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Also, any individual work or art could be considered unique because it was created by a human being, but the more important requirement in the cited provision is "significantly new" for which I agree with Netherzone. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:59, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- My line of reasoning is that it is significantly new because of the contemporary publications and exhibitions with science related societies such as the following:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STEAM_education#The_STEAM_Journal
- Australasian Animal Studies Association Starlighsky (talk) 20:26, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- The STEAM journal citation is user-submitted content authored by the artist, it consists of two images and a short bio. It is not independent significant coverage. Netherzone (talk) 23:24, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Also, any individual work or art could be considered unique because it was created by a human being, but the more important requirement in the cited provision is "significantly new" for which I agree with Netherzone. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:59, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- These are not about hybrids, though.
- The contemporary artwork address abstract issues like the work of Eckhart Tolle did. Starlighsky (talk) 20:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for another inquiry about this but it's unclear what you are saying. Could you provide an example of what you mean by "Animal-Human art"? What is the definition of this genre, and what are the reliable sources that state she is the innovator of "Human-Animal art"? Is it something Eckhardt Tolle wrote about her work? Thanks in advance. Netherzone (talk) 20:25, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Anthrozoology is a good reference point to what Human-Animal art is in contemporary art. The Australasian Animal Studies Association (AASA) is a society that addresses this in terms of their contemporary art exhibitions. I will look up references on this issue. Starlighsky (talk) 20:56, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm quite familiar with the field of Animal Studies, and many artists who have worked in that field. In fact, I can think of many other contemporary artists who have been working in that area for decades. What is needed are citations that specifically state that she originated/created the field. Netherzone (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- There are various artists who have approached this topic, yes.
- I just to add that the issue is separate to what was discussed near the top of this thread. There is artwork of human animal hybrids, but the artwork about human animal behavior in terms of science is a separate issue.
- The artist did not start the movement, but is unique in that the artwork was covered by a journal on Science, Technology, Engineering, Art, and Mathematics education (STEAM education) as well as the Australasian Animal Studies Association in terms of their exhibition of the art of the person from the U.S.. Starlighsky (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm quite familiar with the field of Animal Studies, and many artists who have worked in that field. In fact, I can think of many other contemporary artists who have been working in that area for decades. What is needed are citations that specifically state that she originated/created the field. Netherzone (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Anthrozoology is a good reference point to what Human-Animal art is in contemporary art. The Australasian Animal Studies Association (AASA) is a society that addresses this in terms of their contemporary art exhibitions. I will look up references on this issue. Starlighsky (talk) 20:56, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for another inquiry about this but it's unclear what you are saying. Could you provide an example of what you mean by "Animal-Human art"? What is the definition of this genre, and what are the reliable sources that state she is the innovator of "Human-Animal art"? Is it something Eckhardt Tolle wrote about her work? Thanks in advance. Netherzone (talk) 20:25, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete- Lacks RS for the claims made.
In 2024, she married English musician and record producer John Fryer
citing "The Knot"!? WP:TOOSOON. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:33, 10 May 2025 (UTC)- I took the recommendations and improved the citations, and even added more information with citations. I am glad to get your opinion on the improvements. Starlighsky (talk) 03:20, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Starlighsky Please read Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Citation overkill, and also the source assessment table above. I flagged the statement
While in college she illustrated for The Beastly Ball at the Los Angeles Zoo. The Beastly Ball is a fundraiser with interactive events for and at the Greater Los Angeles Zoo Association.
which was cited with this https://zoo-guide.com/la-zoos-beastly-ball-2024-an-overview/. The citations shows that the The Beastly Ball exists, but there is no mention of Trace Fryer that I can see, You removed the {{fails verification| date= May 2025}} tag without providing any new information to prove the statement. Please slow down and see if you can respond to the notability issues with reliable sourcing, not just more of the same unreliable sourcing. Thanks. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:51, 10 May 2025 (UTC)- What happened is that the illustration for the Beastly Ball is published, but the source will not meet the standards for Wikipedia. I thought it was logical to delete the statement about the illustration work until I can find a reliable source for it. I will keep working on it. Starlighsky (talk) 16:00, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Glad to see you removed the statement, but please, scroll up to the top of this entry, expand the Source Assessment Table and try to understand the concept of reliable sourcing, and why this article on a BLP was nominated for deletion. Thanks. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:27, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- I will work on the issues that you have brought up. I created a 2nd opinion source assessment table with what in my opinion are reliable sources. I will work on the issues that you present in the 1st source assessment table. Starlighsky (talk) 17:25, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Press releases are never a reliable source. Please read Help:Introduction to referencing/Reliable sources --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- I removed that from the table and will try to find a better reference. Thank you for your insight. Starlighsky (talk) 17:41, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Press releases are never a reliable source. Please read Help:Introduction to referencing/Reliable sources --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Starlighsky Please read Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Citation overkill, and also the source assessment table above. I flagged the statement
- Delete I don't see the sources showing much notability of the subject. That she had some galleries faeturing her work, it not notable as manyother artists get their stuff featured too. Certanly not enough for stand alone article. Reads like a promotion or resume of the subject. Ramos1990 (talk) 06:00, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
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Visual arts - Proposed deletions
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