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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manuel D'Lima

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. None of the sources are about him. Sources (and much of the content) are about taitrs. Material on him is just resume type material. North8000 (talk) 17:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Theatre, and India. Shellwood (talk) 17:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Poor to unreliable sources with no significant coverage on the subject. The subject fails notability. RangersRus (talk) 18:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Goa and Maharashtra. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment a number of references are from offline books. Has the nominator managed to access them ? Atlantic306 (talk) 18:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to answer with respect to what you are seeing because there have been 104 edits to the article since I nominated this. But I did evaluate them at the time. North8000 (talk) 18:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, a lot was added after you nominated this, including several refs, but much of it was WP:PROMO, fluff, repetition, and stuff about the genre of theatre that, I think, has no direct relevance to D'Lima's career. I tried to reduce the promo, cruft, repetition and tangential stuff, but someone else should review the refs to see if they actually discuss Liima's life or career at all. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to assess new additions to the article since it's nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no review of additions to the article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of highest-grossing South Indian films#Highest-grossing films by year. There's a clear consensus against keeping the articles in place, but no convincing arguments to having the page histories deleted, making this a sensible ATD. Owen× ☎ 14:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of highest-grossing South Indian films of 2024

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There is an article List of Indian films of 2024 which covers entire Indian films box office and release dates, so having the article just for the sake of box office of every year is not needed. — Jayanthkumar123 (talk; contributions) 14:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages because they follow the same pattern similar to this article. Having a year-wise article just for the sake of box office collections, which merely has 10 entries is not necessary. Also, there are year-wise articles covering the entire Indian films and language-wise which has both release dates and box-office data.[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film — Jayanthkumar123 (talk; contributions) 14:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This would be like having an article for List of highest-grossing films in Wyoming (2024); pointless and certainly not a normal classing list article. Nate • (chatter) 16:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...with all due respect, not exactly... the population of Wyoming is roughly half a million, South India would be something like 250 million people....not to mention the fact that South India is an extremely relevant region in the geography of the film industry, Wyoming, not so much. But I understand that's not the point.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I was making an example of breaking out box office by subnational regions, not comparing population at all. Box office figures are never generally broken out by state, province or region for the general public. Nate • (chatter) 16:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to each to the respective List of Indian films of (the respective year); a section can be created there; or not, depending on what other users think. Or redirect all and merge into Cinema of South India#Characteristics and popularity, a section that lacks material, examples and sources. Thanks.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC) (I forgot to say that, because this is sourced, I am not opposed to Keep this, if other users accept the idea that it meets WP:LISTSPLIT, for example.[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: India, Andhra Pradesh, Goa, Karnataka, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, and Telangana. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retain, these articles may just mention few of the films that is just in South Indian territories, but it can be still used as the list for the selective fields to mention the highest grossing box office list of South India. I believe it can be better if we merge the lists of Telugu, Malayalam, Tamil, Kannada and Tulu films of each year to this article.
By Piruty Pipaty (talk) 23:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all. I was of the same doubt regarding all of these articles. Not sure why Tulu was mentioned above but its box office impact is essentially nil. DareshMohan (talk) 06:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ALL. Per nom and fails WP:NLIST. This is also WP:CFORK. No need to distinguish between South Indian films and Indian films when they are all the same. Pages like List of Indian films of 2024 already exist. RangersRus (talk) 19:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by South Indian films and Indian films being all the same? Indian films include South Indian films, but they are not the same. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean it is all Indian. We do not need South Indian or North Indian or west Indian or East Indian titles. Indian should include all. RangersRus (talk) 21:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry, but the South Indian Cinema includes more languages and also has lot of films with high box office. And also if you would say like that, what is the need of List of highest-grossing South Indian films? Will you discuss to delete that too?
By Piruty Pipaty (talk) 07:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Detailing box office by state, region or province is simply not of note to the average film viewer and is usually something for a specialist publication to detail (the type you have to subscribe to for a high fee like Photoshop and whose figures are not allowed to disclose as part of your subscription terms of service). Even in India, who have folks that make the most out there American box office stan seem placid, this simply is detail that's ripped out under criteria that isn't known to us or as well-done as the trades can do. None of these articles list the criteria they have outside whatever spin the sources detail and no reader is going to read every story to understand these charts. Nate • (chatter) 23:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additional comment to my !vote: List of highest-grossing South Indian films is another possible target in case a redirect is chosen.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The same article that in its lede disclaims However, there is no official tracking of figures and sources publishing data are frequently pressured to increase their estimates.. Yes, let's totally delete this series of articles with questionable sourcing to redirect them all to another article with the exact same issues. The only 'targeting' that should be done for that page is also being taken to AfD. Nate • (chatter) 23:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, you don't trust what is said in the article but, to back your assertion, you quote what the article says about what is said in the article:D. Afds are not for cleanup. Is that page acceptable according to guidelines about lists? Yes. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of highest-grossing South Indian films#Highest-grossing films by year. Also add List of highest-grossing South Indian films of 2013 to the list, which was created today. Procyon117 (talk) 14:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also inappropriate usage of the election infobox. Procyon117 (talk) 14:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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