Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Language
![]() | Points of interest related to Language on Wikipedia: Portal – Category – WikiProject – Deletions – Cleanup – Stubs – To-do |
This is a collection of discussions on the deletion of articles related to Language. It is one of many deletion lists coordinated by WikiProject Deletion sorting. Anyone can help maintain the list on this page.
- Adding a new AfD discussion
- Adding an AfD to this page does not add it to the main page at WP:AFD. Similarly, removing an AfD from this page does not remove it from the main page at WP:AFD. If you want to nominate an article for deletion, go through the process on that page before adding it to this page. To add a discussion to this page, follow these steps:
- Edit this page and add {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PageName}} to the top of the list. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, i.e. the one on the existing AFD discussion. Also, indicate the title of the article in the edit summary as it is particularly helpful to add a link to the article in the edit summary. When you save the page, the discussion will automatically appear.
- You should also tag the AfD by adding {{subst:delsort|Language|~~~~}} to it, which will inform editors that it has been listed here. You may place this tag above or below the nomination statement or at the end of the discussion thread.
- There are a few scripts and tools that can make this easier.
- Removing a closed AfD discussion
- Closed AfD discussions are automatically removed by a bot.
- Other types of discussions
- You can also add and remove other discussions (prod, CfD, TfD etc.) related to Language. For the other XfD's, the process is the same as AfD (except {{Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName}} is used for MFD and {{transclude xfd}} for the rest). For PRODs, adding a link with {{prodded}} will suffice.
- Further information
- For further information see Wikipedia's deletion policy and WP:AfD for general information about Articles for Deletion, including a list of article deletions sorted by day of nomination.

watch |
Language
[edit]- Association of Visual Language Interpreters of Canada (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Declined prod. The added source is just a 1 quote from the president of CASLI. Fails WP:ORG for lack of SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 23:42, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. LibStar (talk) 23:44, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. LibStar (talk) 23:45, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Literary Translators' Association of Canada (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Declined prod. 1 added source is just its own website. The other source is rather routine coverage of awarding a prize. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Organizations, and Canada. LibStar (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: The association is discussed in-depth in Writing Between the Lines: Portraits of Canadian Anglophone Translators (2006), and receives regular coverage in CBC News, Quill & Quire, and other national publications for the award it confers. The organization has been around for roughly 50 years and more coverage surely exists in the depths of Newspapers.com. If nothing else, this could simply be merged and redirected to Canadian literature as an alternative to deletion. MediaKyle (talk) 00:21, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Lithuanian exonyms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Perhaps should be moved to Lithuanian WP as I don’t see how it is notable on enwiki Chidgk1 (talk) 12:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lithuania-related deletion discussions. Chidgk1 (talk) 12:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Lists. Shellwood (talk) 14:20, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a lithuanian dictionary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikedelis (talk • contribs) 16:59, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - this meets the notability requirements of WP:NLIST.
- Also, there is ample precedent for this type of article; we have 63 of these articles per Category:Lists of exonyms.--A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 19:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. An attempt to delete all of them, a year or two ago, was rejected as too sweeping (some of them, particularly Arabic exonyms, are less WP:DICT than others). —Tamfang (talk) 19:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Diddy ahh blud (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
No evidence of WP:SIGCOV, and both of the 2 sources used in the article are questionable at best. Also largely duplicates Sean Combs sexual misconduct allegations, though I'm not sure if this phrase is widely used enough to warrant a redirect. ApexParagon (talk) 13:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Bobby Cohn 🍁 (talk) 14:09, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Angryapathy (talk) 16:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Dutch exonyms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Previous discussions don’t seem to be specific to this article - talk page says it is rubbish Chidgk1 (talk) 12:41, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Netherlands. Chidgk1 (talk) 12:41, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:45, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia is not a dutch dictionary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikedelis (talk • contribs) 16:59, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - this meets the notability requirements of WP:NLIST.
- Also, there is ample precedent for this type of article; we have 63 of these articles per Category:Lists of exonyms.--A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 19:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. An attempt to delete all of them, a year or two ago, was rejected as too sweeping (some of them, particularly Arabic exonyms, are less WP:DICT than others). —Tamfang (talk) 19:16, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Glaze (slang) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Fails WP:NOTSLANG. Already covered in Glossary of Generation Z slang and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glaze . Also not notable enough to warrant its own page, as opposed to terms like Brain rot. Shioshiioo (talk) 00:30, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:12, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Transwikify (is that the word?) to Wiktionary; failing that, delete. Just a WP:DICTDEF, most of the sources are examples of use not about the word at all. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- You mean a soft redirect? TheGoofWasHere (talk) 02:18, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- 'Soft Redir per above I can do stuff! (talk) 23:22, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- LLM aided design (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Disputed draftification. WP:DRAFTOBJECT applies. If this is notable, it needs WP:TNT because it cannot be divorced from its creation by AI. Wholly inappropriately sourced with unreliable sources, fails WP:V, which is a key tenet of Wikipedia. Previoulsy sent to draft with the rationale While not conclusively AI-generated, the writing style, structure, and tone are consistent with LLM-assisted authorship. It likely had human curation or editing layered on top of content produced or scaffolded by a large language model. Further, the references are almost all deprecated sources. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 08:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Timtrent author @Manvi jha13 came onto IRC Live Chat asking for assistance with this. They've repeated the article was not created with AI: they state they are pursuing a PHD in this topic so wrote the draft as an academic essay instead of an Wikipedia article. Have given guidance, and assuming good faith. qcne (talk) 09:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @QcneThank you so much for your message.
- @Timtrent, thank you very much for taking the time to review my draft and for providing your feedback — I sincerely appreciate your efforts.
- It is rather intriguing to see the draft being marked as AI-generated again. I have stated in my talk page for the article and would like the opportunity to clarify again that no content of the given page has been generated by AI. The AI tools have been used for vocabulary suggestion, but in no case for text generation. I believe that given the academic use and exploration of the topic, along with the fact that I am a PhD student mostly engaged in academic writing, gives the article a similar tone, which I have tried to improve since your suggestions. Please do let me know if there are any additional areas/sections/perspectives you would suggest for me to improve on.
- Additionally, I have noticied that you have reservations regarding the citations? I believe all the citations are academic publications. Please let me know if and how I can improve them.
- Thank you,
- Manvi Manvi jha13 (talk) 09:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Manvi jha13, in reference to your claim on Talk:LLM aided design that "The use of AI was limited strictly to very occasional language refinement", could you please disclose in full detail the extent to which you used an LLM to generate the article, including the content, section headings, references, and formatting? Additionally, could you please disclose the name and versions of the AI tool(s) that you have been using to edit Wikipedia, as well as whether you are using those tools to author your comments in discussions like this one? — Newslinger talk 20:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Newslinger
- When I state that "the use of AI was limited strictly to very occasional language refinement," I am referring specifically to minor assistance such as suggesting synonyms or checking for spelling and grammatical errors (ChatGPT-4o). Importantly, no AI tools were used to draft or generate any content or contextual material.
- Additionally, I want to clarify that AI was never used in drafting or contributing to any discussions or comments. I reaffirm that at no point was AI employed to generate new text or ideas, thereby eliminating any concern regarding hallucinations or the reliability of the content. Manvi jha13 (talk) 20:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Manvi jha13, you made the edit Special:Diff/1296403283 to the article within the last hour. How did you generate the references and the citation code that you added into the article? — Newslinger talk 20:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- What do you mean generate references? They are the papers I have read, most of them are initailly made available on Arxiv and later published via conferences or journals. Why would it be difficult to find them?
- As for citiation code, it is a rather starightforward format one can write it themselves, in any case to simplyfy my work, I wrote a small python script that takes bibtex format citaion and converts to wikipedia style. This helps reduce manual effort, and ensures consistency. I’ve made sure all included sources are verifiable and meet the reliability standards expected here. Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:04, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger, My apologies, I missed to ping you in my response, please refer to my reply above. Thank you in advance. Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:13, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- If the citation code were generated with a Python script, it's not clear why the code would use plaintext instead of normalized citation templates such as {{Cite journal}}, or why it would mix wikitext formatting with Markdown formatting (which is not used by Wikipedia).This article exhibits too many characteristics of LLM-generated content to remain in article space. I am unconvinced that "The use of AI was limited strictly to very occasional language refinement" when the the very first revision (Special:Permalink/1294545580) already shows heavy signs of being LLM-generated, including the excessive use of lists and the idiosyncratic use of title case that are associated with AI chatbots. Draftify, and the draft should not be moved back into article space without going through the Articles for creation (AfC) process. — Newslinger talk 21:45, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:47, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger
- Thank you for your feedback. I don't understand why a python script would be limited to citation template, it would be able to take input and produce results based on how I program it. So I respectfully but completely disagree with this claim of yours.
- Additionally, as I already stated, the use of ChatGPT was restricted to the use for checking grammar and spelling errors. To highlight the procedure goes like- I write a draft -> I pass it to ChatGPT with a prompt asking to fix any spelling or grammatical errors in the given text and just use that. This procedure in no way known to me generates new text. Additionally, in order to clarify again, this is the topic I am working on for PhD, the academic tone and style (including the usage of lists and detailed descriptions) is thus a result of the same Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have the version of your draft before you processed it with ChatGPT? — Newslinger talk 21:53, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger
- Thank you for your question.
- I would not have the article as a whole but yes I can get all the paragraphs I processed through the ChatGPT history. Would you like samples or screenshots (or other methods you deem satisfactory for proving, since that is what we are doing here)?
- Honestly it is a bit intriguing to see how intolerant the Wikipedia community is of the academic community and their writing style. Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you could provide the pre-ChatGPT content in text form on the article talk page, Talk:LLM aided design, that would help establish that the article is not LLM-generated and also help editors improve the article by having your original writing available to reference.The Wikipedia community appreciates the academic community in general, but many Wikipedians have a negative view of LLM-generated content. On Wikipedia, articles are expected to conform to the Manual of Style, and LLM-generated articles almost always deviate from the style guidelines in much more distinct ways than the average new editor would.To clarify my previous comment, I did not say that a Python script would be limited to generating citation templates, although I do find it unusual that your script converts citations to "wikipedia style" by partially outputting Markdown instead of using a normalized citation template format. — Newslinger talk 22:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger
- Thank you for your feedback.
- Sure I can add pre-ChatGPT text for reference, just to clarify, do you expect the entire article or a few paragraphs would be enough?
- Additionally for the python script, I do not use any libraries, my script simply takes the BibTex(easier to extract from), extracts details like paper name, author name etc.. and simply arranged them in a template I give. The template is the one I found to be the best fit for my scenario, it can be heavily varying from the general trend but I don't think that should be an issue? Manvi jha13 (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you are able to post the entire pre-ChatGPT article, that would be preferred as it would be most helpful to all interested editors. For your citation script, I highly recommend revising your script template to use Wikipedia's Citation Style 1 templates to ensure that it consistently meets Wikipedia's citation style guidelines. — Newslinger talk 22:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Newslinger
- I have added a sample in the talk section of the article. Please refer to it for context. I decided not to include the entire article, as I did not want to create a lengthy and potentially cluttered post there. However, if you still have any reservations about the use of AI in the article based on the example provided, please let me know.
- Additionally, I found the article WP:CHATGPT, which clearly states that using AI to refine text is acceptable, as long as the content does not involve hallucinations, inaccuracies, or unverifiable claims. Given that the text in this article has been thoroughly reviewed and all sources are properly cited, I would like to ask if you have identified any instances where this might have been an issue? Manvi jha13 (talk) 02:04, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you are able to post the entire pre-ChatGPT article, that would be preferred as it would be most helpful to all interested editors. For your citation script, I highly recommend revising your script template to use Wikipedia's Citation Style 1 templates to ensure that it consistently meets Wikipedia's citation style guidelines. — Newslinger talk 22:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- If you could provide the pre-ChatGPT content in text form on the article talk page, Talk:LLM aided design, that would help establish that the article is not LLM-generated and also help editors improve the article by having your original writing available to reference.The Wikipedia community appreciates the academic community in general, but many Wikipedians have a negative view of LLM-generated content. On Wikipedia, articles are expected to conform to the Manual of Style, and LLM-generated articles almost always deviate from the style guidelines in much more distinct ways than the average new editor would.To clarify my previous comment, I did not say that a Python script would be limited to generating citation templates, although I do find it unusual that your script converts citations to "wikipedia style" by partially outputting Markdown instead of using a normalized citation template format. — Newslinger talk 22:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have the version of your draft before you processed it with ChatGPT? — Newslinger talk 21:53, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:47, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- If the citation code were generated with a Python script, it's not clear why the code would use plaintext instead of normalized citation templates such as {{Cite journal}}, or why it would mix wikitext formatting with Markdown formatting (which is not used by Wikipedia).This article exhibits too many characteristics of LLM-generated content to remain in article space. I am unconvinced that "The use of AI was limited strictly to very occasional language refinement" when the the very first revision (Special:Permalink/1294545580) already shows heavy signs of being LLM-generated, including the excessive use of lists and the idiosyncratic use of title case that are associated with AI chatbots. Draftify, and the draft should not be moved back into article space without going through the Articles for creation (AfC) process. — Newslinger talk 21:45, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Newslinger, My apologies, I missed to ping you in my response, please refer to my reply above. Thank you in advance. Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:13, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Manvi jha13, you made the edit Special:Diff/1296403283 to the article within the last hour. How did you generate the references and the citation code that you added into the article? — Newslinger talk 20:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Manvi jha13, in reference to your claim on Talk:LLM aided design that "The use of AI was limited strictly to very occasional language refinement", could you please disclose in full detail the extent to which you used an LLM to generate the article, including the content, section headings, references, and formatting? Additionally, could you please disclose the name and versions of the AI tool(s) that you have been using to edit Wikipedia, as well as whether you are using those tools to author your comments in discussions like this one? — Newslinger talk 20:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
Manvi jha13, don't worry about your disclosures resulting in a "lengthy and potentially cluttered post", as the content you post on Talk:LLM aided design will certainly be within Wikipedia's page size limit. You can organize your content by wrapping any section(s) of it between the {{Collapse top}} and {{Collapse bottom}} templates to prevent any clutter. It shouldn't take long to post the entire pre-ChatGPT article, as you have already indicated that you have access to your ChatGPT logs. I'm requesting the disclosure of the entire pre-ChatGPT article because the information provided so far, frankly, does not convince me that the article is not LLM-generated. There are multiple paragraphs within the article body that lack inline citations, which is a serious concern with respect to WP:CHATGPT § Risks and relevant policies. — Newslinger talk 21:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you Qcne. I think that must be interpreted as Manvi jha13's opinion that it should be kept. This does not address the lack of WP:V in the nomination. I will accept their assurance about AI generation in good faith and strike that part of the nomination. It has now been drafified twice, which is one more time than DRAFTOBJECT allows. I do not feel it may be returned to draft space without a full consensus under these circumstaces, crcumstances whcih we would not be in without unilateral moves to mainspace (allowed, but unwise in this case). It may, however, be spared that via WP:HEY. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 10:18, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- As nominator I have no objection to consensus based draftification, though I would prefer an assurance that, if sent back to draft, the creating editor will submit for review and work with the outcome of that review and any further iteration. That might be a closure condition, in an ideal world. [[If WP:HEY has happened pre closure then it shoul dbe retained. If I am notified I will consider withdrawal. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 21:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Engineering, and Computing. Skynxnex (talk) 14:46, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Timtrent
- Thank you very much for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. I have revised the article accordingly. The updated version no longer includes arXiv or other non–peer-reviewed sources. I hope these changes help improve the article's quality and bring it closer to Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and reliability. Manvi jha13 (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Draft: is the best option. Unfortunately, it's nearly entirely sourced to arXiv articles, which are not reliable sources. Pre-prints, meaning they've not been peer-reviewed yet. Once they get published, they would have to then show reliable sourcing. This article is also perhaps a bit too technical for a general audience. Needs a rewrite and better sourcing at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 15:23, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- or let it incubate offline and submit it for the AfC review. This wouldn't pass as is anyway. Oaktree b (talk) 15:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Article should be improved, then in the longer term merged with AI-driven design automation. This is another new page, with a more general overview (not all AIs are LLMs). Both pages have issues, but the topic is surely worth keeping. LouScheffer (talk) 20:44, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @LouScheffer,
- Thank you so much for your valuable review. I would greatly appreciate your guidance or suggestions on how the article could be improved.
- While AI-driven design automation does involve hardware design, it is fundamentally different from LLM-aided design. AI-driven automation typically refers to techniques like MLIR or the use of Bayesian optimization and supervised/unsupervised/reinforcement learning to improve stages of the design process. However, its scope is generally limited to optimization rather than generation.
- In contrast, LLM-aided design focuses on the ability to generate descriptions, code, and even complete designs from natural language input; something beyond the capabilities of traditional AI-driven automation. This distinction, I believe, is key to understanding the scope and novelty of LLM-aided approaches. Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- TNT Are sure this entire article is not LLM generated? It has a weird, unencyclopedic promotional tone. InvisibleUser909 (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment (with no shade intended to User:Manvi jha13): I am interested in the assertion, "The AI tools have been used for vocabulary suggestion, but in no case for text generation." Vocabulary is part of text, and suggesting it entails generation, does it not? I am interested because part of my day job is to teach writing courses, and I often hear from students things like, "I didn't use AI. I only used <LLM-based app> to <do writing-related thing>." Again, with no shade to Manvi jha13, it seems to me that the definitions of terms such as AI, LLM, and generate are currently unsettled. This is something that might eventually be mentioned in this or a similar article (though, of course, only after it has been discussed in reliable secondary sources). Cnilep (talk) 01:21, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Cnilep
- Thank you so much for your feedback and interest in the topic. I'd like to offer some insights based on my understanding and research into LLMs so far.
- To the best of my understanding, it would be considered "text generation" in the context of Wikipedia if the entire article or part of it were artificially created, which could potentially lead to false information or hallucinations (a known risk even with the latest LLMs). However, when the use of an LLM is solely for refinement purposes- such as improving grammar, suggesting synonyms, or rephrasing sentences- it's comparable to using a thesaurus tool or the inbuilt features in MS Word/Grammarly that flag grammatical issues and suggest more suitable word choices. In my view, this does not lead to the generation of entirely new or potentially inaccurate information.
- Many people are opting for AI tools over MS Word or Grammarly because they can save a lot of time in the writing process. However, after reflecting on the depth of the discussion on this page, I'm starting to wonder if that time saved is worth it! Manvi jha13 (talk) 02:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'd stick to the old-fashioned stuff, Manvi jha13. It doesn't take a lot more time and using it develops writing and vocabulary skills. Old-fashioned tools like thesauruses, Grammarly and your brain are much more reliable.
- Wikipedia editors are becoming increasingly wary of any LLM material being used on Wikipedia since it's still unreliable. Of particular concern for us, LLMs tasked with generating an article will produce an impeccably formatted list of footnoted references which turn out to be either inapplicable or just plain made up; that's the kiss of death for Wikipedia's reliability. So if someone senses you're using LLMs, it develops trust issues. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 21:44, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I checked all the article's references and verified that almost all existed (one or two links didn't work for me). All were at least somewhat relevant (I am not an AI expert so "somewhat" was as close as I could figure). All but the several non-peer reviewed refs already discussed above came from very reputable sources such as the IEEE and the ACM. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 21:50, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per my comments above. I'm no AI expert so I can't say for sure but I suspect we've got a really good article. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 21:53, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 01:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Baltagiya (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
WP:wikipedia is not a dictionary 176.28.150.183 (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 23:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Crime. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Opppse , the baltagiya are not just criminals , they are a unique group that effected the Egyptian society in recent decades and had a huge effect onedia and culture 196.134.113.234 (talk) 11:24, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This article doesn't just provide a definition for a word, it's a clear outline of a social phenomenon in a country, a social class that exists that is unique to the country of Egypt. Compare this article with the article for British chavs (Chav). "Baltagiya" isn't just a direct Arabic translation of the word "thug," it's an actual social class that has similar characteristics and in my opinion this warrants its own article. Kabahaly (talk) 10:48, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- The article in its current state doesn't represent the topic like it's a social class or a phenomenon. It represents it as a word for thugs. Thus it worth deletion. 176.28.150.183 (talk) 20:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's not a reasonable reason for deletion. TheGoofWasHere (talk) 00:44, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- The article in its current state doesn't represent the topic like it's a social class or a phenomenon. It represents it as a word for thugs. Thus it worth deletion. 176.28.150.183 (talk) 20:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
Delete per WP:TNT and WP:V. Besides being horrendously written, there is zero evidence that this is a social class.I wouldn't oppose a draftification. Bearian (talk) 03:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)- The article is bad only in part, yet it is neither unfounded nor irrelevant. It needn't be a social class, for this is no encyclopedia of Marxism. The article just needs more work. Draftification would certainly not speed up things. 217.244.108.62 (talk) 12:17, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: The article primarily talks about Baltagiyas, not just the meaning. FYI, simply citing a policy and saying nothing else isn't a rationale, I can barely even see the link.--TheGoofWasHere (talk) 00:49, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - per WP:HEY - much improved. Bearian (talk) 14:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Bengali group of languages (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
The article cannot be expanded and has nothing to say what cannot be said in articles such as Bengali language, History of Bengali language and more. Capitals00 (talk) 00:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:12, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bangladesh and West Bengal. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:14, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Is this the same as Bengali–Assamese languages? If so, a merge might be more appropriate. Do the references use the term "Bengali group of languages"? Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:15, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Assam-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:21, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: not much found in google books or other articles for the term "Bengali Group of languages". As Eastmain mentions, this might mean Bengali–Assamese languages - Seems the term "Bengali group of languages" is WP:OR. Asteramellus (talk) 22:47, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete seems to be WP:OR as mentioned above. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 12:56, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep If we check Glottolog, the Bengali-Assamese group of languages which is given the name Gauda-Kamrupa then branches out into two Kamrupa and Gauda-Banga. It is clear that this article titled Bengali group of languages is about this Gauda-Banga branch which contains all of the dialects mentioned in the article. --Jaunpurzada (talk) 17:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, WormEater13 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 16 June 2025 (UTC) - Merge into Bengali–Assamese languages, seems to be a forced article with not much new content, and possible OR. Metallurgist (talk) 05:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 16:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: The term Bengali group of languages or Gauda-Banga language (গৌড়-বঙ্গ ভাষা) broadly refers to a linguistic grouping or continuum of dialects spoken in the greater Bengal region (Bangladesh, eastern India, Myanmar's northern coasts and eastern Nepal. It's a sub branch of Bengali-Assamese language. Also Glottolog group it's separately, so please remove this deletion tag MaheshPatil95 (talk) 08:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC) (
Blocked sockpuppet)
Keep and move to Gauda-Banga languages. It is attested by Glottolog: Glottolog 5.2 - Gauda-Banga.—CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 09:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)- Speedy delete: WP:G5 per Fylindfotberserk. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 21:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep:Can we move it into Gaudic languages, just like Dardic, Paisachic and Sindhic languages. Because historically Bengal region united under the name of Kingdom of Gauda. Palas and Senas also use the same name for define the region. And most of this dialects and languages devloped from that time. For better representation Gauda-Kamrupa languages wikipedia title is Bengali-Assamese language. So can we move this name Bengali group of languages to Gaudic from better historical and synchronised representation with other language groups name MaheshPatil95 (talk) 13:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC) (
Blocked sockpuppet)
- Delete - Forced article, created by a sockfarm. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 21:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)