Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhou Zhiruo

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 01:06, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zhou Zhiruo

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Not sure this meets the notability guideline for fictional elements. The entire article is basically a plot summary. I am unsure of the reliability of the sole reference (preserved by archive here), but it looks more like a fansite than a book to be honest, even if it does claim to be published by a press. Obviously the vast majority of reference material on this topic is probably in Chinese. A quick look when searching the character's name in Chinese didn't bring up anything substantial (mostly press releases and blog posts). Looking on google books in Chinese didn't bring up anything substantial either, only the works themselves or plot summaries. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Martial arts, and China. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Redirect~~ to The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber. Redirect as if sources exist they are in Chinese, which I cannot search in, and I assume the nom did not (I did check the zh wiki article and it does not appear to have any reception/analysis and just like ours, is a plot summary + a list of media this character appers in). As such, the article as written fails WP:GNG, and WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES is hardly a valid argument. All things considered, redirecting is the best outcome, unless someone can improve it now. After redirection, this can hibernate in the history until such a time someone is able to restore it, if sources are found. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:22, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did do a google book search in Chinese using Chinese characters [1] (I can't read Chinese either, though you can auto-translate the books titles and snippets using Chrome's page translation feature), and I did find some sources that were analyses of Jin Yong's novels that mentioned the character like [2] and [3], but the actual quotes that were shown as snippets looked like essentially plot summary to me. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:32, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
[4] might count as sigcov, as the snippet quote shows a bit of analysis. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Following sources found below, I change my vote to keep. If the article is not improved, I ask the closer to add {{sources exist}} to it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:30, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Zhou Zhiruo (周芷若) is a lead character in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber, one of China's greatest Wuxia novels, prominently featured in several films and TV series and portrayed by many top actresses. The deceased top actress's tombstone is honored with a replica of her most famous character, Zhou Zhiruo; see [5]. Well, should we delete Pokémon just because it is fictional? The character holds greater prominence than Western fictional characters in South Asian regions.

Numerous literary works explore and research the subject, including 周芷若 or 金庸周芷若人物分析, and many scholarly articles analyzing the character can be found in the Chinese Scholar Database. Please conduct research and find sources in the Chinese language before proposing deletion. If you nominate minor characters, I can agree with you, but this is an AfD on a notable female lead.

Really? Wikipedia is not exclusively an English-language source center, and the absence of English sources is not a valid reason for deletion. If you want to make a problem about Chinese fictional characters, please reconsider focusing on minor ones.

Well, here are some significant scholarly articles about her below:

论周芷若的人物形象 ["On the Character Image of Zhou Zhiruo"] from Science and Fortune Magazine (a national second-level academic journal approved by the State Press and Publication Administration), 2018, Issue 19.
山隐与凌迟——金庸小说中人物周芷若形象分析 ["An Analysis of Zhou Zhiruo’s Character in Jin Yong’s Novels"], a research paper from Jiangsu Food Technology College by Zhang Jun.
论《倚天屠龙记》中的周芷若 ["On Zhou Zhiruo in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber"] by Meng Qinglian from Zhengzhou Vocational Technology College.
芷若心事无人知 ["Zhiruo's Unspoken Thoughts"] by Yue Wei from Weifang Institute of Innovative Education Policy, Shandong.
《倚天屠龙记》中周芷若的善恶一体形象 ["The Duality of Good and Evil in Zhou Zhiruo’s Character in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber"] by Li Gaiting and Lou Bo from Hebei University of Science and Technology.
浅谈《倚天屠龙记》的四位女性 [Discussion on the Four Female Characters in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber"] by Han Haiyan from the School of Humanities and Media, Zunyi Normal University.

49.49.25.233 (talk) 17:23, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing the whole Pokemon franchise to an individual character in a novel is an apples to oranges comparison. However I agree that my searching method wasn't thorough enough and I thank you for doing a more thorough search. I am now Neutral on deletion. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, based on the sigcov in academic sources listed by 49.49.25.233 (thank you!). While I wouldn't say that everything Jin Yong did was notable, as the greatest Chinese-language author of the last half century he probably comes darn close. Toadspike [Talk] 00:26, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the sources given above show notability. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources found by 49.49.25.233. Thank you for finding those sources! Zhou Zhiruo meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 11:08, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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