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I can't find any evidence that this is a thing. Possible hoax. Certainly appears to fails WP:GNG. TarnishedPath^talk 06:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. TarnishedPath^talk 06:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What timezone did Eucla use when Western Australia had daylight savings time? Surely they weren't using a time zone that is 15 minutes behind the rest of the state? Steelkamp (talk) 06:17, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've found reference to Eucla using UTC+08:45, but not as an official thing (emergency services use standard WA time). As far as I can tell UTC+09:45 isn't a thing. TarnishedPath^talk 06:24, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article does say that it isn't an official thing. Seems plausible that it could be real, but 15 years is enough time to get citations. Ike Lek (talk) 06:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We have an article for UTC+08:45, which covers the what is unofficially referred to as Central Western Time (CWT), and I was able to find sourcing to indicate that is definitely a thing. The UTC+09:45 bit I found zero on. Not even anything in primary or unreliable sources. You're correct that it's possible it could be a thing, which is the only reason I didn't CSD it as a hoax. Also, yeah 15 years is long enough to get citations. TarnishedPath^talk 06:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There's a quote in this article that seems to hint that some roadhouses in the area used to observe SA daylight savings. It says: Mr Pike has lived on the Nullarbor for 47 years and said that at least today — removing the daylight saving component from the South Australian side — helped a bit. But mostly people leave baffled. So it might be true that some roadhouses on the SA side of the unofficial Central Western Time Zone used to use UTC+09:45 during daylight savings. But that's reading into the quote a fair bit — I couldn't find anything more definitive. If anyone can find a slightly better source, maybe a merge to UTC+08:45? MCE89 (talk) 06:41, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I read that quote to be referencing Australian Central Daylight Time (UTC+10:30), when it states that removing daylight saving from the SA side helped. TarnishedPath^talk 06:51, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah very possible. I thought he might have meant that at some point they stopped using daylight savings within the SA side of the Central Western area, but he might also just be referring to the end of daylight savings during that particular year. Seems plausible that this was in use in a handful of places at some point, but I agree that I can't see anything to verify that. MCE89 (talk) 06:59, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I was just looking at Time in Australia and I found a reference on github indicating that it was briefly a thing. However the source is not reliable. TarnishedPath^talk 08:51, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think redirecting to UTC+08:45 would be better than deleting. Steelkamp (talk) 09:02, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not opposed to that. However such a redirect would be unlikely to survive a discussion at WP:RFD and I've just started a discussion proposing that UTC+08:45 be merged into Time in Australia due to heavy overlap. TarnishedPath^talk 09:19, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That GitHub link is to the IANA time zone database. I had a look back through the tz mailing list to find where that information about the Eucla time zone came from - it was based on this message from 2006, where one of the list participants phoned a business in the zone to find out whether they were following DST shortly after it was introduced in WA. There are certainly photos of the road signs going into and out of the zone from WA, which say "Advance/turn back clocks 45 minutes" (not "unless it's winter, in which case..."). So the evidence is pretty weak, but I don't think there's any reason to think it's a hoax, just hard to find a reliable reference for. Adam Sampson (talk) 18:01, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But the Uucla time zone is +8:45. This is a DST version, and it doesn't observe DST. Secretlondon (talk) 19:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not any more, but it did observe DST when Western Australia did between 2006-2009, i.e. the residents just set their clocks 45 minutes ahead of Adelaide. The unsourced "At the moment" sentence in the article isn't right; WA has tried DST several times and SA has used it since 1971. But overall I'd agree with merging this article into UTC+08:45 or Time in Australia; there's not enough to say about it separately that can be sourced. Adam Sampson (talk) 21:36, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that the photo of the road sign is enough to support a merge. Any merged material would need to be referenced by a reliable source which unambiguously states that UTC+09:45 is a thing.

I'm no longer of the opinion that this is a possible hoax, as I was when I first started this. However, none of us has been able to come up with any reliable sources. TarnishedPath^talk 01:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If there's anything to keep here, merge to UTC+08:45. This does not need a standalone article. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:33, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as others have mentioned, there is very litte that could be considered a reliable source. And there is very little to merge. At best there would be a sentence or two in the UTC+8:45 article reflecting daylight savings was for a (brief) time observed. Dfadden (talk) 10:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:04, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: the article on +08:45 can note that DST has previously been observed briefly. A separate article is unnecessary. Axver (talk) 06:49, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]