Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thalaivan Irukkiraan

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The result was redirect to Kamal Haasan. (non-admin closure) BusterD (talk) 23:20, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thalaivan Irukkiraan

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No official announcements made as of now. Clearly fails WP:NFF —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 15:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/Redirect to the article on the filmmaker. To disagree with the noominator on one point, we DO have multiple reliable sources speaking about the planned film. By way of example, we have articles at OneIndia from 2008 speaking about Mohanlal and Kamal Hassan being approached for the film and it being the first time the two would work together, and that the film will be directed by Kamal... And we have The Hindu reporting that the title has been registered with the Tamil Film Producers' Council and the project is/was being discussed. And there are others RS as well,[1] but yes... most are old news. Under Thalaivan Irukiran, a slightly different Engli-fication of its name, we have more recent news: IndiaGlitz reporting in 2010 that Anushka is now part of the cast, and 'Sify reporting that Kamal has begun work on the script with it being a "long-pending" project of Ulaga Nayagan. My point here above is that we should not tell editors there are no sources when in fact there are. And towrd the stub article itself, I agree it is too soon for a separate article on this "pending" project, but per the extensive coverage available,[2] it can easily be written of in the article on the director/star. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:12, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Kamal Haasan: I didn't notice that the page itself was a redirect to Unnaipol Oruvan. Some IP users have expanded the article based on the recent news about the revival of the film. "Thalaivan Irukkiran" was supposed to be the title of Unnaipol Oruvan, Kamal-Mohanlal starrer released in 2009. The "Oneindia" and "Hindu" sources were published in 2008 and only talk about Unnaipol Oruvan and not this venture. Also your google search only talks about the 2009 film (Unnaipol Oruvan). Indiaglitz cannot be taken as a reliable source and except for the heroine, we cannot say that it talks about this film. This is just a rumor as there is no official news about the launch of the film. -—Vensatry _{(Ping me)}

OneIndia article titled "Mohanlal-Kamal Hassan in Thalaivan Irukkiraan" states "The Malayalam superstar (Mohanlal)... ..agreed to don a role alongside Kamal Hassan in his upcoming venture Thalaivan Irukkiraan, to be produced by Gemini Films Circuit." The Hindu states "Meanwhile, Haasan has registered a title Thalaivan Irukkiraan with the Tamil Film Producers' Council." Crappy as it is, IndiaGlitz is used across Wikipedia for sourcing films from India. No sources I found state the film is known or was later known by some other title, but I have no doubt that some other project was shot instead when this one was expected. Yes... the news fom 2008 and 2009 and 2010 IS old, and yes... there is no recent announcement of filming having begun. The point though being that there is enough coverage in reliable sources to merit the redirect... which is why I suggested it. Glad you agree. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 12:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. And a snow one if possible (to save time), as even the nom agrees with that at this point. All 3 of us agree with a redirect, for the reasons stated above. I'm not a fan of merges of non-RS-cited material, and whatever we have here can easily be recreated with proper refs at the target.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:29, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect : To Kamal Haasan as stated above. This will prevent the creation of the article in future unless sources speaking about commencement of filming are published. X.One ^SOS 11:13, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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