Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Singdarin

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Singdarin

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I've lived in Singapore for more than ten years. "Singdarin" is not a thing. Clubette (talk) 05:37, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Clubette (talk) 05:37, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. A quick google scholar search for "Singdarin" comes up with 17 results, and a google search finds only 124 results (with similar results ommited). If Singdarin is a thing, it is safe to assume that the good sources are not in English. Machine translation is pretty useless with this word. Anyone who knows Mandarin, Malay or Tamil might be able to find some better sources.

The sources on this article are also really bad. The word Singdarin is mentioned in almost none of the sources, and when it is, it is used as shorthand for Singaporean Mandarin. Clubspike2 (talk) 06:16, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:47, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Denying the existence of Singdarin is no different to denying that Singlish exists. An overwhelming number of Mandarin-speaking Singaporeans use Singdarin in colloquial speech and I find it peculiar that you have not noticed this despite claiming to have lived in Singapore for a decade—which I suppose its possible, if you had mostly just lived among other expats/immigrants and not interacted much with the locals. Many ethnic Chinese Singaporeans are not known to be particularly fluent in Mandarin as compared to their Chinese/Taiwanese counterparts due to their country's multicultural background as well as their huge immersion in English being their main language, which led to the rise of Singdarin. 175.197.10.59 (talk) 19:55, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's no secret that Singaporeans mix Mandarin and English, but unlike Singlish, I have never ever heard the term "Singdarin". Clubette (talk) 17:24, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm leaning towards this definitely exists, but a few more academic sources would serve this article better. JungleEntity (talk) 23:25, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:32, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Colloquial Singaporean Mandarin absolutely exists, but I lived in Singapore for ten years and never heard anybody call it "Singdarin". Also, as it stands, this article is highly duplicative but still contains less information than Singaporean Mandarin. (I'm also less than convinced that we need a separate Standard Singaporean Mandarin article, but that's a different AFD.) Jpatokal (talk) 11:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

’’’Edit’’’. Colloquial Singaporean Mandarin definitely exists. However, it should be noted that the locals have never and will never call this Singdarin. It’s not so much a dialect. It’s more of a slang. People who speak english sometimes pepper their sentences with Mandarin, and the converse is true as well. It’s a way of speaking, but it isn’t quite a language in its own right. As a Singaporean who doesn’t speak a lot of “Singlish” or “Singdarin”, this is all I know. Hope it was helpful. (No user). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:7400:C808:920:A819:6761:3A2B:37FB (talk) 14:24, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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