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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ricardo Fort

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BLP of a non-notable subject.- camr nag 19:57, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: This person is a famous actor in Argentina. He's done many tv shows and deserves a wiki page. I have put legit information and resources.
He is mentioned in the following wikipedia pages:
This entrepreneur and actor is a very important person in the Argentine Television History.
Also on the "Ricardo Fort" page there are plenty of actual and legit sources.--Scoobynaiter123 (talk) 00:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He is a notable person in the Argetine tv business.. we CAN NOT deny this !! He is always on tv and has been for the past 3 years...If you are argentine wikipidia editor/user than you should know this...If any doubts google him but this man deserves a page for his contributions on tv and comunity and it's NOT for a promotional article! I do not think he is an important person on the argentine tv history, I KNOW he is. --Scoobynaiter123 (talk) 02:51, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • please, keep your argument in order. you're just repeating yourself. yes, i am from argentina. that's why i'm pointing out how ridiculous those phrases sound. we can turn this into an "i know he's important"-"i know he's not". very useful. do you actually live in argentina? i haven't seen him in a while...--camr nag 14:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • if you have no new insight, please refrain from personal attacks. mine is not a pose. again, if you have no new insights, then leave it to people that support your case with reasons.--camr nag 01:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:16, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:16, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:16, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's typically a low, low bar for notability of television personalities at Wikipedia... Carrite (talk) 05:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
yes, but he doesn't even meet that "low bar"...--camr nag 14:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - it has been deleted in the sp wikipedia 5 times for being a promotional article. in regards to what Scoobynaiterpaul123 argues: he's not an actor. he's a rich guy. "many tv shows" is subjective, and he's done none, but only appeared in a few. being mentioned in a wp article does not imply notability. all your arguments seem to be based on what you think is a "very important person (in the argentine television history)". you might as well dub him a pivotal personage in argentine history and we'll have to take your word on it. and the sources? 2 blogs, his own website, one wiki and 2 paparazzi sites are NOT legit sources.--camr nag 15:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Are the people who propose deletions supposed to be casting votes? Carrite (talk) 05:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
an afd's not a poll, should know that by now...--camr nag 13:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is NOT the Spanish Wikipedia. We do not act based upon what editors on non-English Wikipedia's might or might not do. What we DO require here is verification of information and the subject meeting WP:GNG. Yes, the article requires major cleanup and better sourcing. Yes, the article can benefit from expansion. But both are addressable issues which do not require deletion of a notable topic before being done. So he's a rich guy who panders to his own needs and whims? Big deal. So is Donald Trump and I see no demand to delete the Trump article. Like with any topic, it's through the coverage in multiple reliable sources that someone may be determined to meet WP:BIO, and this fellow has plenty... even if much is in Argentinianan Spanish language sources.[2] Notability to Argentina is notable enough for en.Wikipedia. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    i didn't say you should follow what the sp wikipedia did, i said that because of the subjectivity it implies to say "he's a very important man in argentina". it was deleted b/c the consensus reached there was that he was not.
    you base your argument in what this article could be, but never say how. paparazzi sites and mags would claim any small incident and character is important and/or famous, because that's what they make their livelihood on. the article requires better sourcing, but there is none. trump founded a company, among other things. this guy did no such thing, nor anything worth mentioning. in any case, since his granfather's the founder of the company, that would be notability by proxy.--camr nag 16:27, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Your concern with current sourcing or content is addressable through regular editing. That is the how. That an earlier editor pointed to es.Wikipedia as a rationale for keep is perhaps the reason you pointed to it for delete, as is the reason I stated that we are not them. Notability is not dependent on how a rich person acquired their wealth, it is dependent rather in coverage in multiple reliable sources over a many years period. Your feeling the fellow never did anything worth mentioning, and that there are no sources, seems to run contrary to the over 1200 g-news results found in a cursory search,[3] and while I have not begun to go through them one by one, I have a very difficult time accepting your blanket call that all 1200 articles are unsuitable for the expansion and sourcing of the article. And since all news reporters earn their living through their reporting of the news, that is not how en.Wikipedia determines a news source to be unreliable. After my cursory search, yes, I do base my keep on WP:GNG, WP:V, and WP:POTENTIAL showing the article as improvable. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:01, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • well, have you gone through them one by one? have you already realized it's nothing but paparazzi gibberish? 100s "ricardo fort fought with virginia gallardo" and 300s "ricardo fort says he's not gay" don't seem to fit for this article. i'm not just "going down swingin". i ask you, please, to actually try and make an article from those sources. i guarantee you, you'll find it absolutely impossible.--camr nag 14:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have just realized that while the nominator tagged the article for a speedy on March 7,[4] and while the speedy was decline on March 8,[5] resulting in this AFD being filed, I see that the article itself was never tagged with the AFD template.[6] I will rectify this error and make the proper notifications. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:59, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:55, 22 March 2011 (UTC) on behalf of Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:59, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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