Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Revation Systems

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:19, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Revation Systems

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Plain language version: this company is not "notable" in the Wikipedia meaning of the term. As a consequence, it is not a topic suitable for inclusion. Notability should be demonstrated by reliable sources, independent of the subject, describing it in detail (those are cumulative conditions), but I did not find any.

Wikispeak version: fails WP:ORG and GNG. Best I found is [1] and businesswire is (from my experience) little more than a press-release megaphone.

This was prodded and deleted, then restored by Ad Orientem (ping) following a help desk request to keep working on it. I think a restoration to the Draft: space would have been better, but since I see no source at all I do not think even that is warranted. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:46, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:14, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unambiguous advert. Nothing to support wp:GNG or wp:CORP. DonFB (talk) 19:34, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. I was planning on sending all three of these articles to AfD on Wednesday or Thursday at the latest barring a level of improvement that I think very unlikely. There are a lot of things you can fix, but notability is not one of them. It's either there or it's not. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable spam. Same for the similar two articles, if someone nominates them here. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am taking the liberty of copying the below comment/question from the talk page to here. The user is a new editor and self identified COI. See this discussion on my talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:15, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So none of these article count as cited sources for notability?

1. RCR Wireless News: November 22, 2016: NFV, SDN deployments driving cloud security to session-oriented awareness http://www.rcrwireless.com/20161122/telco-cloud/nfv-sdn-deployments-driving-cloud-security-session-oriented-awareness-tag2-tag99

2. RCR Wireless News: November 17, 2016: Security remains significant hurdle for industry cloud efforts http://www.rcrwireless.com/20161117/telco-cloud/security-remains-significant-hurdle-industry-cloud-efforts-tag2-tag99

3. Health IT Outcomes, July 6, 2016: Healthcare Security Depends on More Than File Encryption http://www.healthitoutcomes.com/doc/healthcare-security-depends-on-more-than-file-encryption-0001

4. Heath System CIO, June 29, 2016: Daryl Kallevig, CIO, Riverwood Healthcare Center, Chapter 2 http://healthsystemcio.com/2016/06/29/daryl-kallevig-cio-riverwood-healthcare-center-chapter-2/

5. Healthcare DIVE, July 26, 2016: 7 strategies for making the most of a lean workforce http://www.healthcaredive.com/news/7-strategies-for-making-the-most-of-a-lean-workforce/423274/

6. Tech World News: May 5, 2016: Aging at Home, Part 1: Home May Be Where the Technology Is http://www.technewsworld.com/story/83454.html

7. Tech World News: May 6, 2016: Aging at Home, Part 2: Some Tech to Watch Over Me http://www.technewsworld.com/story/83467.html

8. Patient Engagement HIT, April 29, 2016: Easier Appointment Scheduling Can Boost Patient Access to Care http://patientengagementhit.com/news/easier-appointment-scheduling-can-boost-patient-access-to-care

9. Computer World, April 20, 2016: New CMS initiative a pivotal point in primary care: http://www.computerworld.com/article/3054778/healthcare-it/new-cms-initiative-a-pivotal-point-in-primary-care-market.html

10. Healthcare Informatics, March 22, 2012: Versatile Communication Platform Helps Foster Collaborative Care http://www.healthcare-informatics.com/article/cloud-based-communication

11. TMCnet.com. April 8, 2008: The State of Minnesota Deploys LinkLive for 12 Contact Centers and Agencies http://www.tmcnet.com/enews/e-newsletters/Customer-Interaction-Solutions/20080408/24767-state-minnesota-deploys-linklive-12-contact-centers-agencies.htm

Melissa8051 (talk) 20:01, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Below are my assessments of the media articles listed above. In my opinion, only one (www.rcrwireless.com/20161122) might support "notability." The others could be used to support "content" in a Wikipedia article, but not the notability of the subject.

The Wikipedia "General notability guideline" (WP:N) states:

"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

http://www.rcrwireless.com/20161122/telco-cloud/nfv-sdn-deployments-driving-cloud-security-session-oriented-awareness-tag2-tag99

Legitimate interview w/CEO Perry Price

http://www.rcrwireless.com/20161117/telco-cloud/security-remains-significant-hurdle-industry-cloud-efforts-tag2-tag99

Single brief mention of company name & CEO Price, with his quotation

http://www.healthitoutcomes.com/doc/healthcare-security-depends-on-more-than-file-encryption-0001

Single brief mention of company name and CEO Perry Price

http://healthsystemcio.com/2016/06/29/daryl-kallevig-cio-riverwood-healthcare-center-chapter-2/

Product endorsement by a client (disqualified as "affiliated" in Wikipedia terminology)

http://www.healthcaredive.com/news/7-strategies-for-making-the-most-of-a-lean-workforce/423274/

Single brief mention of company name & CEO Price with his quotation

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/83454.html

Single brief mention of CEO Price and company name with his quotation

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/83467.html

Single brief mention of CEO Price and company name, w/his quotation

http://patientengagementhit.com/news/easier-appointment-scheduling-can-boost-patient-access-to-care

Single brief mention of company name

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3054778/healthcare-it/new-cms-initiative-a-pivotal-point-in-primary-care-market.html

Single brief mention of company name -- "such as..."

http://www.healthcare-informatics.com/article/cloud-based-communication

Single parenthetical mention of company name

http://www.tmcnet.com/enews/e-newsletters/Customer-Interaction-Solutions/20080408/24767-state-minnesota-deploys-linklive-12-contact-centers-agencies.htm

Announcement article of client installation of company product

DonFB (talk) 04:25, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Melissa8051: an important thing to note is that even one good source is much better than a lot of disputable ones for notability. Here, trusting DonFB's analysis above, the only real source is an interview with the CEO. Interviews, even in reputable sources, are usually in the grey zone when it comes to evaluating notability. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:34, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ad Orientem Contining the discussion, I appreciate all of the feedback from everyone on this page. In response to your feedback and clarification I have found some more "notable" articles that talk about Revation Systems in depth within the past years. Considering interviews, I have also found an interview in which CEO Perry Price talks about Revation Systems in depth in the beginning of the interview. I hope these are more of what you are looking for and these can be used. If notability is achieved, please advise me on where to go from there. Thank you.

1. The Entrepreneur Way: 3 Things That You Should Have Done 60 Days Ago with Perry Price Founder of Revation Systems http://theentrepreneurway.com/podcast/211-3-things-that-you-should-have-done-60-days-ago-with-perry-price-founder-of-revation-systems/ (Interview with CEO Perry Price)

2. PR Newswire: January 5, 2012: Revation Systems Launches an Accessible Virtual Care Solution for Healthcare Organizations http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/revation-systems-launches-an-accessible-virtual-care-solution-for-healthcare-organizations-136734838.html

3. Business Wire: March 1, 2016: North Memorial Health Care Partners with Revation Systems to Improve Customer Engagement and Population Health Management http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160301005037/en/North-Memorial-Health-Care-Partners-Revation-Systems

4. Tech{dot}MN: April 23, 2012: Revation finds a revelation in healthcare http://tech.mn/news/2012/04/23/revation-systems-linklive-healthcare/

5. PR Web: April 2, 2014: Revation Systems Acquires North Light Software to Simplify Community Care Delivery and Coordination http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/04/prweb11728895.htm

6. EWorld Wire: April 7, 2008: Revation Systems announces The State of Minnesota Linkage Line Network Deployed LinkLive for 12 contact Centers and Agencies http://www.eworldwire.com/pressreleases/18353

7. MobiHealth News: September 29, 2011: Revation pushes unified communications on consumer-grade devices http://www.mobihealthnews.com/13502/revation-pushes-unified-communications-on-consumer-grade-devices

- Also, it might be advisable for the other two pages to be merged into this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revation_LinkLive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revation_Communicator

Thoughts? Thanks!

Melissa8051 (talk) 14:39, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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They are all public relations/promotional outlets. Note the "PR" in the "prnewswire" and "prweb" internet addresses.

For example:

"Get Big Publicity with a PRWeb Press Release A PRWeb press release can help your business or organization get reach and publicity on the web across search engines, blogs and websites in just a few simple steps."

And:

"Please visit http://www.revation.com/knowledge to learn more about the Knowledge Base product and its impact on both payers and providers alike within the healthcare industry." -- Businesswire.com

The Wikipedia "notability" guideline explicitly mentions "press releases" as sources that fail to meet requirements. The outlets listed cannot be considered "independent of the subject" in the sense intended by Wikipedia instructions. They are promotional.

Every business has its ups and downs, its failures and successes. The uniformly boosterish, cheerleading coverage in the cited articles demonstrates the reality that these outlets are nothing more than vehicles to help their subjects drum up business.

Notability guidance also talks about a subject having "attracted attention." I suppose it could be argued that the company has attracted the attention of these promotional media outlets by virtue of its presence in the business world and in its particular niche. The clear promotional intent of these outlets, however, belies the idea that they are independent reliable sources.

At present, the Revation Systems article is tiny--what Wikipedia calls a "stub," as seen in the label at the bottom of the page. Perhaps it could be further argued that the article is so small that no harm is done. Every "stub" label, however, encourages editors to expand such articles. In the case of what I believe to be an obvious advertisement, that's a problem. DonFB (talk) 19:06, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- A7 material which also manages to be spammy. Wikipedia is not a place to host materials of promotional nature. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:16, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Both the sources provided and those found searching for "Revation Systems" are mostly trivial mentions that does not live up to WP:CORPDEPTH. Thus, failing WP:NCORP, this is a WP:DEL8 case. — Sam Sailor 16:27, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Lean to delete. Certainly the articles on individual products should go first: Revation LinkLive is nothing but a release history, and Revation Communicator not even that. Almost all the sources are corporate promotion. W Nowicki (talk) 21:34, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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