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Sokolac fortress
[edit]The reason I made Sokolac Fortress (Bihać) in the disambiguated location is because this descriptive suffix is fairly arbitrary. Several others listed at Sokolac (disambiguation) could also be described as "fortress", it just so happens that whoever made some of those other articles didn't use that word. --Joy (talk) 20:53, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- A descriptor is not necessarily used in the article title. Should any of the articles listed at Sokolac (disambiguation) be moved to Sokolac Fortress (xxxxxx)?Sokolac Castle has been at that title since 2008.Soko Grad (Sokobanja) has, basically, been at that title since 2009:
- Soko Grad (Soko Banja, Serbia) → Soko Grad (Sokobanja, Serbia) → Soko Grad (Sokobanja)
Date To Performer Comment From 2010-08-11T
13:07:53Soko Grad (Sokobanja) No such user
(talk | contribs)simpler disambiguator Soko Grad (Sokobanja, Serbia) 2009-03-22T
09:23:33Soko Grad (Sokobanja, Serbia) Bbik
(talk | contribs)If that's how the town is spelled, that's how the disambiguation should be spelled too. Though perhaps there's a better disambiguation term anyhow? Soko Grad (Soko Banja, Serbia)
- Those two articles are the only two I think come close to "fortress". Looking at hr:Sokolac (razdvojba) and sh:Sokolac (razvrstavanje), I don't think there are any imminent competitors for the title Sokolac Fortress, but should that become the case in the future, we can disambiguate. Best, Sam Sailor 05:31, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
- I don't understand what you mean, specifically based on those examples - the Croatian and Serbo-Croatian disambiguation lists say "utvrda" in reference to the one near Brinje, a word which is typically translated as - "fortress". Just because @Dr. Blofeld happened to name that article "castle" in 2008, and nobody ever bothered to move it, that doesn't mean it's not conventionally understood as a fortress just as much as the one near Bihać or the one near Sokobanja.
- And that's the other problem - Brinje and Bihać are actually pretty close by. For the average English reader, who is not aware of the finer details of geography of this region, 65 km of distance isn't enough to help easily distinguish.
- Note also that the name of Soko Grad reinforces this because Grad (toponymy) means basically a fort or a fortress.
- This all just seems plainly ambiguous to me. We might as well use Sokolac (fortress near Brinje), Sokolac (fortress near Bihać), Sokolac (fortress near Sokobanja) (in the latter case as a redirect). --Joy (talk) 07:17, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
- I think we should use article titles based on policies and guidelines on English Wikipedia and disregard the fact that the article on the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia is placed at sh:Sokolačka tvrđava kod Bihaća (lit. 'Sokolac Fortress near Bihać') despite sh:Sokolačka tvrđava (lit. 'Sokolac Fortress') being redlinked. And as of now, I do not see a need to disambiguate Sokolac Fortress. If you believe otherwise and believe Sokolac Castle was mistitled by Dr. Blofeld, maybe a discussion or RM at Talk:Sokolac Castle would be beneficial to get input from other editors. And you are, of course, free to undo my move, in which case I will open an RM discussion. Sam Sailor 07:43, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
- I was addressing you from the point of view of the English Wikipedia. The average English reader cannot distinguish these buildings based on one being "castle" and one being "fortress", because that just does not match the practical reality. It's an editorial choice of words, one that doesn't have a lot of actual meaning. You brought up the foreign-language Wikipedia coverage, but it just reinforces the same point. I don't think we need a lot of input from other editors, we just need to apply the fine WP:V and WP:AT policies. Can we find e.g. the preponderance of reliable sources saying the one near Bihać is always referred to as "fortress", and likewise the one near Brinje referred to as "castle"? I don't think we can. This matters far more than the history of editorializing by various Wikipedia users (including myself). --Joy (talk) 09:56, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
- I think we should use article titles based on policies and guidelines on English Wikipedia and disregard the fact that the article on the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia is placed at sh:Sokolačka tvrđava kod Bihaća (lit. 'Sokolac Fortress near Bihać') despite sh:Sokolačka tvrđava (lit. 'Sokolac Fortress') being redlinked. And as of now, I do not see a need to disambiguate Sokolac Fortress. If you believe otherwise and believe Sokolac Castle was mistitled by Dr. Blofeld, maybe a discussion or RM at Talk:Sokolac Castle would be beneficial to get input from other editors. And you are, of course, free to undo my move, in which case I will open an RM discussion. Sam Sailor 07:43, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
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[edit]I would like to thank you for bringing to my attention that Ninellidae was not an actual mistake. I have rectified the situation and rewritten the article. African Mud Turtle (talk) 13:34, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
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Do you take copyedit requests for drafts?
[edit]Hi,
Greetings @Sam Sailor , I am User:Bookku. I initiate and support update in information and knowledge gap areas on WP wherever whenever possible. Time to time, also invite other users in draft/ article expansion work or copyedit help for diversity in inputs.
Requesting you to visit the draft article User:Bookku/My Choice (2015 film) and provide copyedit or any suitable input, article expansion help in the draft, if the topic interests you.
Just fyi: How I came to user name? My general way is mentioned on my user page. In this specific instance: Recent changes menu.
Thanks Bookku (talk) 10:10, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Bookku: I didn't do much. Let me know if you have specific issues, and I'll be happy to help, if I can. Good luck! Sam Sailor 11:04, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
ANI post
[edit]FYI, there’s a ANI post that you should be notified of since it involves you somewhat. MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 17:04, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
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[edit] The hierarchy of biological classification's eight major taxonomic ranks. A family contains one or more genera.
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September 2025 NPP backlog drive – Points award
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Order of the Lesser Scribe of Wikipedia
This award is given in recognition to Sam Sailor for accumulating at least 350 points the September 2025 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 19,000+ articles reviewed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Utopes (talk / cont) 03:11, 8 October 2025 (UTC) |
September 2025 NPP backlog drive – Streak award
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Dancing, Alone cover
[edit]Hi Sam,
I'm sorry about this, but my internet was out all night, so I couldn't upload the cover for Dancing, Alone. This was my fault. But you did not have to take away the file name like this. Besides, I already know how WP:UPIMAGE works, so you kind of ticked me off with reverting this and sharing a guideline I already knew, and I was more ticked off because my internet went out. But thank you anyway for your assistance, in a sense.
Think before reverting,
Jibblesnark86 (talk) 19:12, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, Jibblesnark86.Thanks for creating Dancing, Alone. I'm sorry to hear that your Internet connection went out. It is good practice to upload images first and then add the file name to the article. That way, we avoid having redlinked file names in main space. In this case, the file name was added 01:28 and removed again 03:06, after I had checked your local uploads to see if the error was due to a misspelling.All in all, there is little to worry about here; should it happen again, just undo the editor who reverted you, when you find time to upload the image. Happy editing, Sam Sailor 19:36, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, but whatever.
- No, but in all seriousness, thanks for the tip, but I like to do it the other way around. But I guess this way isn't efficient, so I guess I'll have to switch it up.
- Thanks, I guess.
- Best,
- Jibblesnark86 (talk) 19:46, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
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[edit]I am trying to create a very simple article that will add some secondary information to a list of multiple school districts. The citations I have are not plentiful, but the information is true and also at the same level as other articles linked in the list.
Jmurray1285 (talk) 17:43, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, Jim.If the primary sources currently used in Draft:Burnham Elementary School District are all there is, then it may prove a challenge to write a sourced article that goes much beyond a one-liner. Could other articles in Category:School districts in Cook County, Illinois serve as inspiration? Since the district only holds one school, did you try to search for sources about the school rather than the district?Best, Sam Sailor 03:42, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
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Guide to temporary accounts
[edit]Hello, Sam Sailor. This message is being sent to remind you of significant upcoming changes regarding logged-out editing.
Starting 4 November, logged-out editors will no longer have their IP address publicly displayed. Instead, they will have a temporary account (TA) associated with their edits. Users with some extended rights like administrators and CheckUsers, as well as users with the temporary account IP viewer (TAIV) user right will still be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range.
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Welcome to the drive!
[edit]Welcome, welcome, welcome Sam Sailor! I'm glad that you are joining the November 2025 drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.