Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rehmat Aziz (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 08:22, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rehmat Aziz

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Articles on the subject are available on multiple Wikipedias: possibly written by the subject himself. All cited sources are not independent, secondary, and reliable. None of the cited PRIMARY sources talk about the subject except his name, email address etc. The subject fails WP:GNG sami ^talk 12:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - I'm not sure how you've searched, but he is the subject of numerous articles in Urdu alone [1], [2], [3], [4] and is prominent for his work in the Khowar language, including apparently designing the first keyboard/font software. Here's one in English: Linguist Honoured: Rehmat Aziz Chitrali gets Yasir Ullah Shaheed Talent Award 2015; I'm sure he's active on Wikipedia as according to that article, he founded the Khowar language Wikipedia. His article should be cleaned up, but not deleted. —Мандичка^YO 😜 13:09, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just because he founded a version of Wikipedia does not mean he is notable. We have also another user who too founded a version of Wikipedia and he is the one of the numbered contributors who are contributing to that language that has neither official recognition nor formally written in Pakistan. But this does not mean we should have an article on that user as well. To pass WP:GNG, secondary, reliable and independent sources are required. But here 99.99% sources either are dependent on the subject or Urdu blogs. If the subject is really notable, they should not have spammed multiple Wikipedias just to have autobiographies and biographies. Copyrights are being violated at Commons to upload copyrighted images for promotional purposes on their autobiographies/biographies. Tahir Adeem is another page about a non-notable person that was created in 2012, now upon google searching is being shown in a separate box on right side as if the subject were really notable. This BLP article is largely unsourced. Wikipedia is being used for promotional purpose only by them. For example, article states in the first sentence that he is widely regarded as Mohsin-e-Lisaniyaat (Mohsin-e-Lisaniyaat means well wisher or friend of languages). Google it you won't find even a single source stating this but only mirror sites of Wikipedia. sami ^talk 19:13, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

P.S: As far as keyboard is concerned, there is nothing new in developing a keyboard layout. Cited sources say they invented a keyboard for Pakistani languages??? Invention? If there were no keyboard for Pakistani languages how could Urdu, Sindhi, Punjabi etc Wikipedias came into being. All these claims do not establish notability. sami ^talk 19:16, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pinging all those active Wikipedians who were previously involved in the two AfDs so that we may have their opinions. Mardetanha, SwisterTwister, Xxanthippe, Yoninah, Mjbmr, Tokyogirl79, Bgwhite. sami ^talk 19:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Samee: I never said his founding of that language Wikipedia was relevant to his notability - I pointed it out to support my point that yes, he is active on Wikipedia; since you alleged he wrote all of these bios himself. All of your claims (that he has Wikipedia articles about him in too many Wikis, his Wikipedia is being used as promotion, his article has insufficient citations, and there are photos on Commons that are copyright violations) are all irrelevant to the AfD discussion. That is not a suitable reason to support deletion. Please review WP:GNG. —Мандичка^YO 😜 01:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't allege that all of these are autobiographies and did not put forth this reason for deletion. The subject simply fails WP:GNG. sami ^talk 04:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Insufficient significant independent sources. Notability not demonstrated. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC).[reply]
Keep I agree with Mr.Мандичка, he is notable in Pakistan please check his books on Pakistani languages here [[5]] He is notable and prominent in pakistan and received many national and international awards, gold medals and recently he has been awarded the Associate Fellow of Royal Commonwealth Society Great Britian. He has recently received the Dr.Q.Q.Khan Gold Medal & Award. The Express Tribune with the New York Times has published many interviews about his life and works. He is the Pioneer, Translator, editor, text administrator of Khowar Wkipedia project and tirelessly working for pakistani languages. Please check these link wikify the article instead of deletion [6], [7], [8], [9], please search in google for his notability, books, life and works, awards and distinctions etc -- 113.197.53.162 (talk) 06:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just only claims. From your contributions, it won't be wrong to conclude you're indeed THE SUBJECT in question. Particularly this edit confirms.^diff sami ^talk 06:33, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above named personality is notable, if the editors of Wikpedia find any unreliable sources than this is the duty of the Editors to edit the article and remove the relevant portion according to wikipedia rules, Please check these links there are some sources out there that do show that there may be more coverage in one of the non-English languages spoken in Pakistan. ([10], [11], [12]) for his notability and also check his contributions/book in Pakistani languages here [13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.197.53.162 (talk) 06:55, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article may have promotional issues and that is something that can be resolved with editing and NPOV checks. From what I can see on the material that is available, he does seem to satisfy WP:GNG and be nominally notable. There is some level of coverage in sources, including [14], [15], [16], [17] and more. Given the nature of the topic and to avoid systematic bias, it would be reasonable to say that there would be more coverage in Urdu/non-English sources than English sources, and that those sources should be used too for verifiability. Mar4d (talk) 16:28, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Uncertain but maybe keep solely because the article has several sources - Searches at News and Books found nothing so the Pakistan and Urdu news links above suggest much of the sources are going to be non-English or some English (Pakistan-based anyway). I'm not a speaker of Urdu so I'm of no use there but, despite the article looks almost the same from initiation, at least some of the sourcing has improved. What would help the article is a Urdu-speaking and competent editor. SwisterTwister talk 20:30, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr^\ talk / 02:32, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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