Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philip Price (programmer)

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The result was redirect to Alternate Reality (series). (non-admin closure) sst✈^(conjugate) 01:18, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Price (programmer)

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Article topic lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) It had no meaningful hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search. I'd support a redirect to Alternate Reality (series), which was recently reversed. czar 22:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. czar 22:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. czar 22:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The game he is "known for" is barely notable in itself. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:24, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The games he created were very notable, and pushed the hardware in innovating and creative ways.
Delete - Nothing better convincing for the applicable notability. SwisterTwister talk 05:29, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A short look at google reveals: I found at least two printed publications mentioning Philip Price: Dungeons and Desktops: The History of Computer Role-Playing Games (Matt Barton, ISBN 978-1568814117) and Vintage Game Consoles: An Inside Look at Apple, Atari, Commodore, Nintendo (Bill Loguidice, Matt Barton, ISBN 978-0415856003). There are several magazines from the 80s dealing with his game(s), too: “it [Alternate Reality] has been a smash hit over in the states” (ZZAP! 64, May 1986, p 75) So I'd say, Philip Price is indeed relevant. I am pretty sure there are many more pubs even in the academic world. Knurrikowski (talk) 08:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Let's let the secondary sources decide how independently notable Price is from the game itself. Dungeons & Desktops is a passing mention (nothing in depth that adds anything about the author's life, work, or importance, and certainly nothing we can use to write a full article), and the same for your other source. The Zzap source is about the game, not the developer. In fact all of the mentions are more about the game than the individual, and thus are better sources for the game than the individual. czar 12:51, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In German Wikipedia a game author (=Philip Price) is relevant if at least one of his games is relevant. Clearly, the game Alternate Reality - The City is relevant (bestseller in the US) and so Philip Price is. In this case relevance has nothing to do with the quality of the sources on the subject. What says English Wikipedia about game authors? Besides that, the current article has sources - not the best though - but is has some. What's wrong with the interview about Price's life, for example? The article should be kept. Knurrikowski (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So I need not remind that this is not German Wikipedia? We use the general notability guideline here. See WP:42 for a shortcut. czar 16:07, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I fully understand what you mean, but I wanted to make clear that there is relevance just given by the mere existence of the famous game plus that the article has some sources. So, what would be significant coverage in _your_ opinion? What's wrong with that interview covering most of the person's life? Knurrikowski (talk) 17:25, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sigcov, as a low bar subject to interpretation, is somewhere between three and five in-depth, reliable sources (as in enough content to write a substantial article on the subject). This list of vetted video games sources is a good place to start. If the interview isn't published by a reliable, secondary source, we can potentially use it within the self-published source about self guidelines, but we don't use it as an indicator of external notability (for obvious reasons—anyone can publish an interview on anyone). czar 23:17, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A programmer working on notable projects doesn't mean the programmer is notable. Sources listed mention Price in passing. --Soetermans. T / C 21:51, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He wrote the entire game. To say that he "worked on the project" is like saying JK Rowling worked on Harry Potter. 24.206.189.220 (talk) 23:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Alternate Reality (series). As much as it pains me to say this, I can't establish notability for him. Alternate Reality: The City is a truly classic game, but any notability for Price would be inherited from the game. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:57, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:10, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.