Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NoMachine (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to NX technology. This discussion serves to demonstrate two things; 1) the subject of this discussion meets GNG, and 2) the article as written violates NPOV, and specifically NOTPROMO, almost to the point where CSD#G11 would apply. While "AfD is not for cleanup" is often cited, it's a less persuasive point when the article is this bad. I am preserving the history for anyone who wishes to expand this using the sources presented here. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NoMachine

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Looks like an advertisement (re-)created by an editor who confesses his COI. Most sources are company sources. The Banner talk 12:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:08, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Luxembourg-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:08, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

this is not an advertisement. The page in question is no different to the other brands pages which talk about remote desktop. I'd like to understand the differences? If a user can't be associated to a company for fear of seeming "promotional", yet a normal user can't upload information because they don't have enough references or are considered not knowledgeable enough, how does one actually attempt to improve people's lives if one can't inform people of the available options? This page wasn't even created by the brand in question and a redirect was implemented by some unknown source. You requested a product page and that is what I provided in as neutral language as possible with the intention of updating resources that Wikipedia approves of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stokerbean (talk • contribs) 14:58, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have requested a sockpuppet investigation as I do not believe that everything goes fair and square here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Stokerbean. The Banner talk 15:45, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Result: Sockmaster and two sockpuppets blocked. The Banner talk

Delete The editor's response unfortunately does not change the concerns about independent, reliable sources and promotional content. --Micky (talk) 03:21, 20 June 2020 (UTC) Blocked sockpuppet Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

EC-Council (2011). "Chapter 7: NoMachine". Virtualization Security. Clifton Park, New York: Cengage. pp. 7-14 – 7-14. ISBN 978-1-4354-8869-4. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
Blechynden, Daniel (2020-04-03). "NoMachine review. How well does this remote desktop program perform—find out in our NoMachine review". TechRadar. Archived from the original on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
Opris, Elena (2015-02-27). "NoMachine Review - Free and Powerful Remote Desktop Tool". Softpedia. Archived from the original on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
Wycislik-Wilson, Mark (2020-05-15). "NoMachine 6.10.12: A remote access tool with more to offer than most". Macworld. Archived from the original on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
Kubaliyev, Zholaman M.; Ruzhnikov, Vadim A. (2015). "ПРИМЕНЕНИЕ ТЕХНОЛОГИИ NX NOMACHINE ДЛЯ ТЕРМИНАЛЬНОГО ПОДКЛЮЧЕНИЯ" [The Use of NX NoMachine for Terminal Connection] (PDF). International Periodic Scientific Journal (in Russian) (2). Scientific World. ISSN 2410-6941. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
郇涛; 王国强; 臧金梅 (2014). "基于Linux的远程桌面控制工具NoMachine NX" [Linux-based remote desktop control tool NoMachine NX]. 消费电子 (in Chinese) (8). 维普: 145–146. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
Schooley, Skye (2019-03-04). "NoMachine Review". Business.com. Archived from the original on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.

Sources with quotes

EC-Council (2011). "Chapter 7: NoMachine". Virtualization Security. Clifton Park, New York: Cengage. pp. 7-14 – 7-14. ISBN 978-1-4354-8869-4. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
Blechynden, Daniel (2020-04-03). "NoMachine review. How well does this remote desktop program perform—find out in our NoMachine review". TechRadar. Archived from the original on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
The review notes:

All things considered, NoMachine is a powerful remote desktop connection manager that enables secure, streamlined remote access. A feature-rich free version is available for non-commercial use, while paid business licenses are available from $44.50 per year.
Meanwhile, we were very impressed with NoMachine’s streamlined user interface and great performance. It’s available on all major operating systems, and all connections are protected by a selection of security features. Note, however, that live customer support is limited to paying subscribers.
Opris, Elena (2015-02-27). "NoMachine Review - Free and Powerful Remote Desktop Tool". Softpedia. Archived from the original on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
The review notes:

The Good

With this remote desktop tool, you can connect to any computer in the local network which has NoMachine installed to perform file operations, make video recordings, take desktop screenshots, send and receive files, connect to a disk, printer, USB device, network port or smart card reader, provide access to various areas of your computer, use a whiteboard with drawing tools, view live media from the remote PC or even render your animated models.
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The Bad

As previously mentioned, the app integrates an entry in the Windows autostart sequence and runs at every system startup.

The Truth

Taking everything into account and the fact that this remote desktop tool is free, NoMachine sports powerful options and customization preferences for anyone wanting to connect to remote PCs with minimal effort.
Wycislik-Wilson, Mark (2020-05-15). "NoMachine 6.10.12: A remote access tool with more to offer than most". Macworld. Archived from the original on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
The review notes:

Based on custom NX technology, NoMachine is a highly advanced remote access, virtualisation and sharing solution that will meet the needs of individuals and businesses alike. Using the server and client software, you can connect to any computer your need to and access the documents you need – working from home means that you will still be able to access everything on your work computer.
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Despite the underlying complexity of what NoMachine is doing and what it enables you to do, working with the software is pleasingly simple. Speed and security are at a level that will keep everyone happy, and there are some very nice touches such as being able to plug in a USB device – be it storage, a games controller or something else – and use it with the computer you are accessing remotely.
Kubaliyev, Zholaman M.; Ruzhnikov, Vadim A. (2015). "ПРИМЕНЕНИЕ ТЕХНОЛОГИИ NX NOMACHINE ДЛЯ ТЕРМИНАЛЬНОГО ПОДКЛЮЧЕНИЯ" [The Use of NX NoMachine for Terminal Connection] (PDF). International Periodic Scientific Journal (in Russian) (2). Scientific World. ISSN 2410-6941. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
From the Google Translate of the abstract:
The article analyzes the operation of the NoMachine NX software package. This package has gained great popularity in the environment of Unix-like operating systems, due to its ability to compress the X11 protocol, which allows using the graphical interface on remote terminals using various types of network connections, including analog modems, ADSL, etc.
郇涛; 王国强; 臧金梅 (2014). "基于Linux的远程桌面控制工具NoMachine NX" [Linux-based remote desktop control tool NoMachine NX]. 消费电子 (in Chinese) (8). 维普: 145–146. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
The article notes:

摘　要：在服务器应用中，远程桌面访问与控制是一个非常重要且经常使用的手段，本文以RHEL 5.X为例，重点介绍了远程桌面控制工具NoMachine NX的获取使用以及基于Window客户端的使用方法。
From Google Translate:
Abstract: In server applications, remote desktop access and control is a very important and frequently used method. This article uses RHEL 5.X as an example to focus on the acquisition and use of the remote desktop control tool NoMachine NX and the use method based on the Window client.
Schooley, Skye (2019-03-04). "NoMachine Review". Business.com. Archived from the original on 2020-06-20. Retrieved 2020-06-20.
The review notes:

Cons

It can also be a drawback that NoMachine's software plans are so specific and advanced. It will require more research on your end to identify what exact computer platforms you will be operating on and what type of connection you would like for each device. The technical specificity and advances of this software can make it difficult to initially implement.
Another downside is the limited features available on the web versions. For example, session recording and some chat features may be limited. There is also limited access for mobile devices, and the initial connection can be tricky. When accessing your PC from a tablet, you must first install an app onto your device. Both the PC and tablet must be on the same network so you can find the IP address to connect.
We did not find grouping tools available for NoMachine. Grouping tools allow you to group certain devices together for quicker access and implementation. They are especially useful for IT technicians. Without grouping tools, IT work can be a bit more laborious.

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow NoMachine to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

Cunard (talk) 08:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into NX technology, or perhaps that article back to this one, either way. But we shouldn't have two articles on the same software. - MrOllie (talk) 16:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - May not be written as an advert, but the sources are all spam, or how-to guides, neither of which are reliable sources. Koridas ^talk? 18:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note2: a second sockpuppet investigation: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Stokerbean. The Banner talk 15:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Delete per nominator, does not meet General NotablilityVViking_TalkEdits 22:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Result: two more sockpuppets blocked. In total sockmaster and 4 sockpuppets. The Banner talk 18:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: NoMachine has been covered in multiple reviews and in multiple journal articles. Editors have not explained why these reviews and journal articles are insufficient to establish notability.
Although a merge to NX technology would be preferable to deletion per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion, it is fine to have separate articles about NoMachine and NX technology since both are independently notable of each other. NX technology is a "remote desktop sharing protocol" that has implementations of the protocol from Google and NoMachine. NoMachine is notable for having reviews of its software while NX technology is notable because the protocol has been covered by books.
Cunard (talk) 07:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For better consensus on whether to keep, delete, or merge.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, they make popular software. I guess it is kinda directed at businesses which makes coverage about them full of fluff, like e.g. zdnet coverage. But I do think it is notable, as a developer of the reference implementation of a widely used protocol. And like I just linked, there are reputable sources like Ziff-Davis. --Ysangkok (talk) 04:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ysangkok (talk) 17:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ysangkok (talk) 00:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. NoMachine is the company that created the NX protocol for remote desktop. Their software is used at reputable research/scientific centres (I am a researcher where NoMachine products are actually used). Where there's server-based computing involved, it's pretty likely you'll find NoMachine software being used as well. Also, without NX there wouldn't be neatx, freenx, x2go and others. I'm sure it's not impossible to find references in papers talking about NoMachine if this is what is required to make the page more neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanatically (talk • contribs) 08:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC) — Fanatically (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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