Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mymensinghi language

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Eastern Bengali dialects. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:00, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mymensinghi language

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Unverifiable. There is no such thing called 'Mymensinghi language'. According to the classification by linguists, it is a typical Eastern Bengali dialect. None of the cited sources in this article call this dialect as a language of its own. There is no reliable source in this article to support these type of false statements. The WP:Hoax article is very much misleading to the wikipedia readers. So, it should be deleted. Snusho (talk) 07:29, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language and Bangladesh. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:36, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Usage of "Language" and "Dialect" is interchangable in Bengali language. Sometimes we Bengali people call any dialect as "language". So, if the sources call it as a dialect then it is not a hoax. Saying a dialect "typical" is not actually policy based argument. If the title is so misleading then renaming is the best way, not deletion. And articles about dialect can be notable. So I will say ~~keep~~ (until someone can disprove its notability with source analysis). Mehedi Abedin 14:11, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We Bengalis call our regional dialects as "ancholik bhasha" in Bengali language. We don't call distinct languages like Hindi, Mandarin, Arabic as ancholik bhasha. Language and dialect are not same thing in linguistics. The source titled "Bengali language and dialect, Sukumar, Ananda publishers" doesn't exist. The Banglapedia source [1] discusses about the term 'dialect' but doesn't call the dialect of Mymensingh as 'language'. Some sources like this and this are not reliable. These sources also don't call this dialect as a 'language' of its own. Most of the informations written in the article are misleading. Grierson and Sukumar Sen classified the dialect of Mymensingh district as Eastern Bengali/Bangali dialect. So, this article is not notable. Snusho (talk) 15:58, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then I support delete. Mehedi Abedin 17:16, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - There is no such language called “Mymensinghi language”. People of Mymensingh Division speaks Bengali, but their dialects or pronunciations have slightly changed overtime. It’s common in different regions of Bangladesh. But the main language is Bengali. — Cerium4B —Talk? • 18:51, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I support moving it to Mymensinghi dialect instead of deleting. The article is well developed. Mymensinghi isn't a language, it's a dialect. I myself am a Mymensinghi speaker, but we recognise Bengali as our language. I've never seen anyone claiming Mymensinghi to be an independent language like Sylheti or Chittagonian. Ahammed Saad (talk) 17:15, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @Ahammed Saad. Niasoh ❯❯❯ Wanna chat? 18:27, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are not so much substantial things to say about this dialect. According to linguists like Dr. Rameshwar Shaw and Gopal Halder, the dialect of Mymensingh is one of the 'Standard East Bengali' or 'East Bengali General' varieties of Bengali language. The phonological and morphological characteristics of 'Standard East Bengali' varieties are almost identical. Almost all of the phonological characteristics described in this article are already mentioned in the article 'Eastern Bengali'. The article is also not notable. Snusho (talk) 08:51, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Than I support it's merger with Eastern Bengali article. I oppose it's deletion, cause, after all, the article is well developed and can fit as a section in the Bangali dialect article. Also, in the case of Bangladesh, it's notable because Bangladesh is a monolingual country, so people here like to identify themselves by their regional or dialectal characteristics. Mymensinghi of course is one of the most prominent of these, in comparing with Dhakaiya, Noakhailla, Rangpuri, Sylheti or Chittagonian. So it's quite notable I guess and it shouldn't be deleted, rather be merged. Ahammed Saad (talk) 15:35, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom and above discussion.Purnalakshmi (talk) 10:28, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any more support for the merge to Eastern Bengali?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as suggested. The trite expression is that a language is a dialect with an army. But seriously, although there is a self-consciousness of a separate language, there's no scholarly consensus on this. Bearian (talk) 03:07, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's also no self consciousness of a seperate 'language'. I haven't seen anyone claiming it a seperate 'language'. The sources that used to call it a seperate 'language' either do not exist or are unreliable. The pronunciation of Bengali has changed slightly in each district of Bengal region. We Bengalis call these regional dialectal variations 'ancholik bhasha' in Bengali. It doesn't mean seperate 'language'. In West Bengal, this dialect is called 'Bangal bhasha' (Bangali dialect). Scholars also call the Mymensingh variety as 'General East Bengali'/Bangali. The 'Eastern Bengali' article is sufficiently big, there's no need to include more content to it. There are also not so much substantial things to say about this dialect. There are not significant coverage of reliable sources in that article. Most of the sources are unreliable. So, I had nominated the article for AfD discussion instead of merging. Snusho (talk) 04:36, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Eastern Bengali article has been moved so it is now a redirect and is not a suitable target page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:18, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Eastern Bengali dialects is the new location, and that looks like it's probably an even better location for a merge target, judging just by the discussion above. -- asilvering (talk) 19:30, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Eastern Bengali dialects (Ugh, XfD Participation Tool ate my rather lengthy !vote rationale when posting, so I'll just say I was convinced by the other arguments and that this !vote applies to Mymensinghi dialect, where this page was unhelpfully moved during the AfD.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.