Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Musharaf Bangash

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 06:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Musharaf Bangash

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Does not seem notable enough. I am willing to withdraw my nomination if he can be proved notable JDDJS (talk) 01:41, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not noteable enough!?!

Look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB9VlBVdTSE and his (new) facebook page here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Musharaf-Bangash/109320379089335?v=wall and all over youtube, try this link for example!!!

Mr. Bangash sings great songs, and he is very famous in his part of the world! For people in Afghan and Pakistan, he is very well known. And his recent abduction has come as a shock to many! Please do not delete him just because you haven't heard of him. You would not like it if some Pashtun tribesman logged in and deleted Michael Jackson just because he hadn't heard much about him!

And why merge with Taliban and culture? He just happened to be kidnapped by the Taliban, he and his songs are not about the Taliban.

This article is currently lacking volume, but everything has to start somewhere. It's one of the first Google results that comes up when people, on hearing news of his kidnapping, will find. It will grow.

Please sirs, I implore you to stick to editing things that you know about, and not to discount things simply because they a) lie beyond the boundaries of your experience and b) don't come up in your limited Googling efforts.

Regards Aurora Boringalis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurora boringalis (talk • contribs) 18:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have a Facebook page and am on YouTube too. I am not notable. It needs more reliable sources. JDDJS (talk) 21:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's not funny. You didn't even look at any of the dozen or more of his film clips, did you? Why don't you go and delete Britney Spears, or some other pop singer. Something not being culturally relevant to you does not necessarily mean it is not relevant. Aurora boringalis (talk) 02:52, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thanks for your reviewing our Googling efforts and the boundaries of our experience. Could you cite any reliable sources supporting your claims? All material in Wikipedia articles must be attributable to a reliable published source, in other words, the information must be verifiable. This project is an encyclopedia, not a forum where you can write whatever. Thanks for your understanding. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 13:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete I can't find any evidence confirming that Musharaf Bangash was a notable singer in Pakistan before his kidnapping. The search for his name in Urdu (مشرف بنگش) reveals another news about the event (see BBC Urdu), but nothing more. The topic is important, however, there is no room for expansion and not enough information for a standalone article (at least at the moment). I would like to say "merge and redirect to Taliban and culture" (it is possible that his kidnapping is related to his "patriotic songs" and the context could be broader), but there's no such an article in the Category:Taliban. On a side note, not long ago I participated at a similar AfD (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marisol Valles Garcia). It was a similar example of WP:BLP1E, but the coverage of the event in the world media was more substantial, and our editors voted accordingly. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 13:04, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. —Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 13:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 13:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We must judge on what we can see and find. I see a ref to what looks like a reliable source - but which tells us little. I find there are many hits on Google for the singer's name. Have a look at WP:RS and see if you can add some more references about him. We would prefer them to be in English, as this is the English language Wikipedia, but some in Pashto would be all right too, so long as we can check ones we can understand. By the way, please sign your posts with four ~ things, and please post below the latest other post - unless commenting directly on something. Peridon (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom.Farhikht (talk) 13:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Peridon. Yes, there are thousands of web and image results on Google on the singer's name, along with many professionally produced film clips of Mr. Bangash's songs. Is such media rendered unreliable due to the fact that (as JDDJS points out) anyone can add a clip to Youtube? Should not the presence dozens of his film clips, readily searchable on Youtube (not to mention all the search results Peridon has mentioned), be enough evidence that he was a well known Singer in the Pashto music scene before he was kidnapped a little more than a week ago? Anyway, now we have the BBC, Radio Free Europe, and the Khyber News. You want more sources? I will get more. You guys better give me a nice certificate or something after all this. Aurora boringalis (talk) 19:16, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We can only give a virtual certificate... Try to get more about him rather than just the abduction. A lot of people get abducted over the world, but WP:BLP1E comes in (you don't usually get notable for one event). A notable singer - now that's a different matter. And please try to get refs in English or with some sort of summary in English. Refs in foreign are allowed to give further info - but for this purpose we really could do to see what's going on. It isn't easy sometimes to show notability for the sorts of music outside Western pop, rock, jazz and classical in English sources - heck, it's not always easy for some of those... Do what you can. Peridon (talk) 22:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- @Peridon: Sorry for moving away from the topic, but I don't see much problems with citing reliable non-English sources, G-translator is a tool sufficient for basic verifying (Of course, it can't serve for creating of perfect articles, however, it might help in cases like this). I created a lot of articles on significant Czech related topics, and those articles are often based solely on non-English sources. In fact, they are the first existing English information available on the Internet. I tend to see this project as a really world encyclopedia, and I don't associate notability with one particular language. Unfortunately, the sources for Musharaf Bangash describe only the circumstances of his abduction. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 16:01, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There's proof that he's a singer plus the fact that his abduction by the Taliban recieved coverage verifies some notability about his profile as a notable icon. Mar4d (talk) 06:33, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: the article fails WP:Music not notable enough as a musician. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 07:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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