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Mordechai Nessyahu

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I cannot find any sources that are clearly reliable about the subject. Hewiki's article is not any better in terms of sourcing.

I removed one citation to a blog, which does not help notability. Floating around online there are various blogs that promote his ideology, which due to their unreliable nature, being user generated blogs, does not help.

The remaining citation is to a self-published SSRN article. This SSRN article was published in the Journal of Astronist Studies, a journal edited and published by the author Brandon Taylorian. Taylorian, aka Cometan, is the founder of the (self-described) "space religion" Astronism, which was influenced by Nessyahu; the journal is for studying his own space religion. He is the sole editor of the journal, and so this, being an article written by him, is self-published. In all fairness, he does have a PhD and is a research fellow at a reputable university so his publications aren't totally unreliable though contextually he does not have "subject matter expert" status that would allow for EXPERTSPS; even if he does this would be still only one source that counts for GNG.

I found a few passing mentions of a "Mordechai Nessyahu" in news articles of the 1950s and 1960s, none beyond a passing mention. I think they are relating to him but I am not sure, and none cover Cosmodeism. I did a search in Hebrew and found about the same level of coverage, no sigcov.

I cannot find any reliable, independent, significant sources, so he fails the WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:11, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Note: this discussion has been included in the AfD sorting lists for the following topics: People and Religion. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:11, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Note: this discussion has been included in the AfD sorting lists for the following topics: Philosophy and Israel. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:56, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I haven't decided on this AfD yet, but in looking into it I found that one of the cited news sources from Hebrew wikipedia is more than a passing mention, it's an article profiling him in the context of Einstein writing about him, also gives an account of the publication of his book/political obstacles due to his leaving of Mapam.[1] Significantly more than a passing mention in that one. Samuelshraga (talk) 10:03, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

That one won't show up for me, I get an error, so I'll take your word for it. Also, what publication is it from? Still, not enough for GNG. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:24, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It is a photocopy of archive of a page from Maariv, September 30, 1953, contains no-indepth coverage. --Altenmann >talk 19:19, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I'll disagree with you on no in-depth coverage, I think it more than qualifies. I think sources about this person probably do exist to establish notability. However, since I'm not volunteering to do the hard work of finding and incorporating them and no one else seems to be, I'll refrain from opposing your deletes.

Interestingly, Nessyahu's wife seems to have been a storied Mossad agent who participated in Adolf Eichmann's capture and the Yossele Schumacher affair. Maybe one day I'll make her a page. Samuelshraga (talk) 20:39, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Samuelshraga I think he's interesting, so honestly I don't want the page to be deleted if that is avoidable, but I have no clue where to look for sources, my usual venues came up totally empty. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:42, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree with the evaluation of the nom. I myself placed the "notability" tag after some due diligence, planning to AfD it myself in a month or two if no improvmt. --Altenmann >talk 15:36, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

By WP:NEXIST: Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. In the source guideline, WP:NOTABILITY, this is in bold. gidonb (talk) 20:05, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I know; I and I faied to find significant converage, only bits and pieces. --Altenmann >talk 20:53, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes the GNG and NAUTHOR with ease. Extensive coverage as a politician, author, and often combined, throughout the 1960s, 1970, and 1980s in Hebrew: [2]~~[3]~~[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14]. There is a healthy amount of reporting here and analysis what his next steps could be, and also a lot reviews and analysis of books, articles, pamflets that he wrote. In Yiddish: [15]. This is still very selective and only newspapers. In Google Books also no lack of coverage, including bundled journals and magazines. gidonb (talk) 21:33, 28 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot see any of these references (they all throw a cloudflare error for me). Are these actually sigcov? because I found a lot of passing mentions and no sigcov, so I want to know if they are passing mentions or not. I get no significant results for his name on Hebrew in Google Books. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

SIGCOV and there is more where that cam from. This is a historical Israeli figure. BLP does not apply and the national newspaper archive was not consulted. Far reaching conclusions without that. gidonb (talk) 10:40, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Notability rules apply to dead people all the same. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:29, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

They apply, though a bit less hysterical, and Nessyahu would have passed with flying colors even if he were alive. He isn't. As has been proven, this nomination is a baseless. Intsead of a retraction, I see vague talkback. gidonb (talk) 20:45, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot see any sources that are sigcov. They do not appear for me because I get a cloudflare error when attempting to view whatever website that is. I can see Google Books, but I am seeing no sigcov on that searching in Hebrew. According to Altenmann above, the sources are not sigcov. You say they are sigcov. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It's the National Library of Israel. National newspaper that covered him extensively. Altenmann wrote his opinion before the WP:HEY. gidonb (talk) 21:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, your refbombing is worthless and waste of Wikipedian's time. I took trouble to open a random one, and found that it only says "M. Nesyahu said that the proposal submitted for approval is not just a compromise between different methods, but is a balanced method. For there is no justification for extremism regarding a national or relative system." - and that's it. I suspect you do not have a clear understanding what WP:SIGCOV means. --Altenmann >talk 05:31, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I invite everyone to open all the sources! :-) gidonb (talk) 06:35, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

What newspaper? Is it multiple newspapers? Because the National Library of Israel is not, itself, a newspaper. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, 13 times various national newspapers and 1 time HaIr Tel Aviv. It's not difficult to find even more SIGCOV! I included a book chapter from Google Books and another source (Maariv through the National Library of Israel) directly in the article so the WP:SIGCOV sources are now everywhere. gidonb (talk) 06:46, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Above, I gave you an example of a useless one in your refs. Nw you added one more factoid: "He exchanged several letters on the subject with Albert Einstein." - this is even more telling example: an asociation with a notable person does not increase subject's notability, it is not "SIGCOV", and contributes nothing useful to the article.--Altenmann >talk 15:01, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I put that back. It was removed by you. This reference supports it. A book chapter is SIGCOV. This Hewiki source is not bad either. The entire case to delete an extensively reviewed author runs against our P&G. gidonb (talk) 15:12, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like you did not understand what I wrote. --Altenmann >talk 15:17, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

To you. There's nothing wrong with the correspondence between Mordechai Nessyahu and Albert Einstein. It's not why Nessyahu (or Einstein) became famous. Just another activity they have engaged in. gidonb (talk) 15:20, 30 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

<sigh> Let me rephrase since you still fail to understand. This is a discussion at Afd, meaning we discuss notability. I am sure Nessiyahu was talking to Netaniahu and Ben Gurion and Golda Meir and who else famous. The fact is that all this does not affect notability of Nessyahu. --Altenmann >talk 01:18, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It's marginal in his career, yet was covered and can be included. His career was important regardless. There is absolutely no case of inhereted. This is a historical author who passes both AUTHOR and the GNG. gidonb (talk) 07:09, 31 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]