Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Rhea

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. While the discussion is tending towards delete, consensus is not evident, given the renewed call for merging the contents. I would suggest here that discussions may be held by concerned editors on the relevant talk page with respect to whether this article should be merged or not. In case there is no consensus there too for merging, or in case some alternative consensus develops otherwise, there is no prejudice against an early re-nomination. (non-admin closure) Lourdes 23:04, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Rhea

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Non-notable local stage performer / director. Not convinced the subject meets ANYBIO. Sources provided within the article, as of this nomination, only state that the subject is a key figure of a certain theater, but do not offer significant coverage. Strikerforce^Talk 16:37, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Sam Sailor 16:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Theatre-related deletion discussions. Sam Sailor 16:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Washington, D.C.-related deletion discussions. Sam Sailor 16:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm the author of this bio page. Mark Rhea is a notable figure in the Washington, DC, theater community, which is the 2nd largest theater community in the United States. He founded and runs a professional theater company that has received 50 nominations for the Helen Hayes Award, which is the region's highest theater honor. He himself has been nominated and has won the award. I'm continuing to build out/edit this page as I discover more sources. (unsigned comment made by User:Rider4151 E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:14, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The multiple nominations for the Helen Hayes Awards should establish notability.[1] But, why only one nomination listed here: Helen Hayes Awards Resident Production That doesn't include the 2018 nomination, so perhaps it's the Wikipedia Page that is incomplete. Ross-c (talk) 08:06, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Are the Helen Hayes Awards themselves notable enough to establish notability for Mr. Rhea, however? Going a step farther, is the fact that he was nominated (but apparently has not won) enough to establish independent notability beyond BLP1E, or perhaps more concisely, one event multiple times? Strikerforce^Talk 14:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Strikerforce:The Helen Hayes Awards have their own Wikipedia page, and looking through press it does seem to be notable, but the awards are Washington specific. Washington however is a major world city and important in the theatre world. So, I'm for now leaning towards considering them. Multiple nominations for a significant award is generally considered to be enough for notability as per WP:ANYBIO. That's the best I can do. If you or anyone would like to argue further that the Helen Hayes Awards should not be considered significant then I'll read it and follow up your references. However, just asking the question isn't enough by itself to change my opinion/vote. I, personally, would need more. Ross-c (talk) 14:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ross-c: Oh, I wasn't trying to change your opinion. I was simply asking the question because I truly wasn't sure, myself. I would think that a localized award - "major world city" or otherwise - would still come up short for establishing notability for a single individual, but that's just my two cents on it. I wanted to ask the question in hopes of not only getting deeper into your thoughts on the matter, but to also hopefully spur on the thoughts of others that may choose to contribute to this discussion. Strikerforce^Talk 15:05, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Strikerforce: You are welcome to try and change my opinion. This is one such case where such is definitely possible. One thing you might want to do is search through previous AfDs which mention the Helen Hayes Awards and see how seriously people have taken them in the past. Ross-c (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We could really do with somebody else coming to this debate and stating their views.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:14, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete In my opinion, doesn't really fulfill any of WP:ENT. The sources are also very lackluster and don't represent significant coverage. I looked around and couldn't really find any coverage from mainstream sources. In the end, just not very notable. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 17:48, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
MERGE (along with some content) to Keegan Theatre, which he founded. Noting that the coverage is sparse and local, and that the Helen Hayes Awards is local to D.C., and that the Keegan is not one of D.C. larger local theater companies (some D.C. companies regularly stage premiers of new plays that go on to be staged in other cites; some launch actors careers; Ari Roth, became notable running D.C.'s Theater J. I have just searched, and I can't find mentions of Rhea outside the D.C. media. In particular, directors of some D.C. theaters stage productions for which their directors get written up they the Times and other NYC media papers that follow theater. I am just not seeing notability here. I am arguing MERGE on teh strength of ongoing, INDEPTH coverage over many years in the DC media of Rhea in the context of the Keegan. E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:42, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Strikerforce^Talk 15:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ross-c:. I'm a long-time D.C. theatre-goer and I'm struggling to see what you're seeing here. The Hayes is, after all, a D.C. award. What I'd like to see is a profile of Rhea - not of the Keegan, and some coverage that is not local. That's a standard, by the way, that get applied at AfD to people in other cities, including NYC. The sole mention of Rhea I find outside the Beltway is from the far norther fringe of metro DC's reach, Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, where he directed a summer play in 2013. That's all I can find. Can't find a profile of Keegan, although articles about the theatre mention/quote Rhea, WaPo: Small space, big dreams for Keegan Theatre, Pressley, Nelson. The Washington Post; Washington, D.C. [Washington, D.C]30 June 2013: E.5., What are you seeing that I'm not? I can see merging him to a paragraph on the Keegan page. Could you see that? E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:36, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – fails WP:GNG. Redditaddict6 9 19:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think MERGE is a better option. New archive searches bring up a good deal of coverage of Rhea in the D.C. media, going back decades. He founded and has run Keegan Theatre for decades. During that period D.C. became a major live theater town. And as per WP:PRESERVE.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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