Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria Giuseppa Robucci

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The result was keep. ‑Scottywong| gab _ 16:08, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Maria Giuseppa Robucci

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Article and sources do not assert notability beyond reaching an advanced age: she was born, had children, got very old, chopped wood, broke a hip, and died. This lady's placement in our List of Italian supercentenarians is sufficient (with a redirect on her name). — JFG ^talk 23:21, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

For clarity, as an WP:ATD, I advocate a redirect to the Italian list without merging any trivia about her life. — JFG ^talk 19:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

• Keep - sustained significant coverage over the course of 15+ years. It doesn't matter why she's notable, just that she is notable. Once she is deemed to be notable, then a basic biography of her life is warranted, and there's more than enough info for a stand-alone biography. schetm (talk) 01:56, 12 July 2019(UTC)

She did NOT have "15 years" of WP:SIGCOV. There was one short feature for her 100th birthday, as is extremely common, and over 10 years later she got some WP:ROUTINE oldster coverage over a few years. There is nothing notable about her that doesn't fit snuggly in a list entry. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:NOPAGE and WP:GNG. Only received routine oldster feature coverage. Just the typical fluff born, married, had kids, longevity secret, random undefined factoid chopped wood until a certain age, died. Her list entry at List of Italian supercentenarians and elsewhere is enough. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CThomas³ (talk) 04:25, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CThomas³ (talk) 04:25, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. CThomas³ (talk) 04:25, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

• Keep - There's a lot of room for interpretation of WP:NOPAGE and WP:ROUTINE. Even though it is common for subjects like this to receive coverage on their 100th birthday, reaching 100 is extraordinary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvng (talk • contribs)

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• Delete or Redirect to appropriate list per WP:NOPAGE and WP:PERMASTUB. Sources are routine birthday articles and don't tell us much more than the usual longevity nothingness of born, got married, had kids, got old, died. Entry on a list is enough. CommanderLinx (talk) 19:00, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
• Keep Per Schetm. 71.161.233.35 (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
• Delete Nothing of encyclopedic value here. And while I hope (but don't expect) to live to a hundred, that's not a claim for notability. In my eyes, there's no notability, but even if there were, WP:NOPAGE comes into play, because there's nothing of interest to present that cannot be presented in a list article. Remember, notability is a necessary condition for having a stand-alone article, but it's not sufficient. --Randykitty (talk) 20:32, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
• Keep I would be inclined to favor a keep, considering her age of 116 and her coverage on the media. Garlicolive (talk) 14:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

There is no policy or guideline that the "oldest x" is notable. Newshunter12 (talk) 16:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

• Keep Meets WP:SIGCOV. 45.228.209.44 (talk) 08:24, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
• Keep: Agreed it meets WP:SIGCOV. "Once she is deemed to be notable, then a basic biography of her life is warranted, and there's more than enough info for a stand-alone biography" as per schetm. - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:23, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Just Chilling (talk) 10:21, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

• Keep the Italian language media coverage from WP:RSs provides further information of a notable nature - at the time of her death was the oldest person in Europe (so more than just a very old person) and was in 2011 the oldest mayor of an Italian town.--Goldsztajn (talk) 12:14, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

There is no policy or guideline that the "oldest x" is notable. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

• Keep She meets WP:SIGCOV. Drunk in Paris (talk) 08:20, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
• Merge to List of Italian supercentenarians. She's clearly notable enough to be mentioned in some detail there, but the coverage she did receive will never be more than a couple short paragraphs. Perfect for a minibio, that list isn't overly long, and merging won't lead to any loss of meaningful content (i.e. there's no reason to list the names of her non-notable children). The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:39, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Although the majority support keeping this article (along with one merge) it is clear we have no consensus, nor are we likly to get one. - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:24, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Maybe I spoke too soon! - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

• Keep - Per WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
• Keep WP:GNG requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable sources". While some sources cited in the article absolutely do not represent WP:SIGCOV, some of these do (even before her death that was widely reported), The Local [1], Corriere della Sera [2], FoggiaToday, a branch of Citynews (Italy) [3], a newspaper La Gazzetta di San Severo [4], and I am sure more if some did a deeper dive. She was even noticed by Guinness World Records [5]]! Jovanmilic97 (talk) 15:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

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