Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KuCoin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is clear among established editors Star Mississippi 01:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KuCoin

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Non-notable crypto company. I find plenty of PR pieces about them in financial newspapers, but nothing about the company. Raising capital and the like, routine business dealings. Oaktree b (talk) 21:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Cryptocurrency, Companies, Africa, and Singapore. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:48, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP Per CoinMarketCap, this exchange falls in the top 5 largest globally. At the time of posting, this exchange processed $761 million in spot volume and $2.3 billion of derivatives volume in a 24-hour period. <nowiki>"Top Cryptocurrency Derivatives Exchanges". CoinMarketCap. CoinMarketCap. Retrieved 17 March 2023.<nowiki>. While this exchange isn't transparent, it is certainly notable. To say otherwise seems very puzzling. Satoshi (talk) 03:01, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Largest isn't criteria for notability. Coverage is per WP:SIRS only for companies. scope_creep^Talk 16:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - Raising fund and how to use it is very important to check company health(especially in downturn in crypto market). Also, the topic of cyberattack is not positive one even if page said they recover 84%. It is very difficult to share neutral information since everybody have their own bias. I think you can delete some of section of page but deleting entire page is not good idea. 240D:1A:A2D:8D00:519B:D4DE:53AD:14C9 (talk) 14:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Raising funds is a routine business activity and not any sign of notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 02:03, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This coi editor looks like a WP:SPA. scope_creep^Talk 21:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - I vote to keep this page because it's a lot more notable than suggested. When I did the original research after seeing the missing page, as cited on the page, there are several non-"raising capital and the like" references that are from reliable sources. When looking at the entirety of the page 23 references (currently), there are only three "raising capital" type of events that I can see. If you want to edit those out that's fine, but I think the page should stay. Thank you! NeedAUsername44 (talk) 13:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question. @NeedAUsername44: can you provide me the three best sources that support the notion that this company meets WP:ORGDEPTH? I'm trying to parse through sources in the article and elsewhere online, and I'm not having much luck finding significant coverage. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 00:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I was able to find what I think are many reliable sources but using the three best method, here are a few good ones I think stand out to me. If you need more info, of course let me know, I'll try to track it down for you. I hope this helps. Thanks. NeedAUsername44 (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Politico.com - "Two of the world’s largest crypto exchanges failed to take steps to prevent sanctioned Russian banks from using their platforms, according to a report from the blockchain analytics firm Inca Digital provided to POLITICO. Huobi and KuCoin, both based in Seychelles, still allow traders to transact with debit cards issued by sanctioned Russian banks, including Sberbank, on their peer-to-peer platforms, according to the report, which will be published later today." (source)
WashingtonPost.com - "A top Senate Democrat on Tuesday pressed Binance, Coinbase and other major cryptocurrency exchanges to explain how they would protect their customers in the event of a financial calamity, as Washington braces for further fallout from the collapse of FTX. Wyden directed his letters to the U.S. division of Binance, Coinbase, Kraken, KuCoin, Bitfinex and Gemini, major exchanges that allow customers worldwide to buy and sell various digital tokens. The senator asked them to reveal more information about the way they manage customers’ deposits and assets. Wyden also requested the firms’ balance sheets, while demanding they explain their policies in the event of a crisis, such as bankruptcy." (source)
Reuters.com - "A preliminary United Nations inquiry into the theft of $281 million worth of assets from a cryptocurrency exchange last September “strongly suggests” links to North Korea - with industry analysts pointing to Seychelles-based KuCoin as the victim of one of the largest reported digital currency heists." (source)

Hi NeedAUsername44, just to be clear, you're saying that these mere mentions-in-passing in various publications meet GNG/NCORP criteria for establishing notability? The criteria for establishing notability is much more than mentions in reliable sources. HighKing⁺⁺ 17:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No indication of being notable. Looked at the first block of refs. They're consist of funding news, ceo interviews and company generated news. None of it is independent. Fails WP:NCORP and WP:SIRS. scope_creep^Talk 21:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, did you look past the first block of refs by any chance? The first block does have some funding news, but also non-funding news and if you go to the rest of the page it has a lot of major news events with many reliable sources. NeedAUsername44 (talk) 13:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to add another comment. I noticed several other Wiki pages with similar content like Huobi and OKX (see also List of bitcoin companies) and those are okay. Wondering what the difference is in this case? Anyhow, that may be beside the point. When I did the original research it became clear to me that this is a more well known and news-worthy company than some of the others with major global events, garnering attention from the likes of the United Nations[1], US Senators[2], and NY States Attorney[3], etc. I think at the very least the page should stay and can be built on as clearly there is a lot of news surrounding this company (especially after the FTX scandal). Thanks. NeedAUsername44 (talk) 13:20, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is an argument that should be avoided in Afd. The references and quality of the references is what decides whether it stays or goes per WP:NCORP. scope_creep^Talk 22:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a top 5 cryptocurrency exchange and there is other exchange Wikipedia pages that are certainly less notable than this one. As another person said this is puzzling and piqued my interest. So thought I would comment. Some of the other ones I saw have pages but are less notable are BitFlyer Bitpanda Bitso Bitstamp and more. That is just getting through the B named exchanges. I'd say based on the rest of the page reliable sources this page should stay. Zingpsych (talk) 16:04, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coi editor is a WP:SPA who has made no other contributions to Wikipedia. scope_creep^Talk 16:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. None of these references meet the criteria. HighKing⁺⁺ 17:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There's a Japanese article at ja:KuCoin, now linked to the article through KuCoin Exchange (Q97572932), not sure if the refs there are useful here? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Response That's just a list with no in-depth information about the company, fails CORPDEPTH. HighKing⁺⁺ 11:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I will go through the first block of references tommorrow. scope_creep^Talk 22:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Lets examine the first block of references:

Ref 1 [1] Fails WP:CORPDEPTH of a capital transaction, such as raised capital
Ref 2 [2] Fails WP:CORPDEPTH
Ref 3 [3] Fails WP:ORGIND. Interview with the found. Fails WP:SIRS. Not independent.
Ref 4 [4] Fails WP:CORPDEPTH
Ref 5 [5] Another interview. Fails WP:ORGIND. Not independent.
Ref 6 [6] Another interview. Fails WP:ORGIND. Not independent.
Ref 7 [7] Another interview. Fails WP:ORGIND. Not independent.
Ref 8 [8] More funding annoucements. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH
Ref 9 [9] Same press release as above. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH, Non-rs.
Ref 10 [10] Passing mention as getting sued.
Ref 11 [11] Same press-release as above.
Ref 12 The court.
Ref 13 [12] Getting hacked. Doesn't prove its notable. It is generic.
Ref 14 [13] Same press release from twitter annoucement as above.
Ref 15 [14] Money recovered.

Not a single one of the references which consist of mostly routine coverage of funding annoucements and ceo interviews are woeful. The fact that it got hacked is such a routine occurance that it fails to register in any great details It is a generic and happenstance and doesn't prove its notable. Fails WP:NCORP. scope_creep^Talk 16:42, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.