Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khaled al-Saleh

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The result was delete. Consensus is that the article does not meet the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 18:36, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Khaled al-Saleh

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Page should be deleted or redirect to National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces. No sources indicating notability, and my own search came up with nothing except trivial mentions in articles about the larger organization. mikeman67 (talk) 15:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No notable references found for this individual. Not every spokesman has the meme-fueled star-power that Tariq Aziz did. Tarc (talk) 18:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Syria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:02, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete with no good target as the only other article is a passing mention at the chemical attack, the best my searches found was this (some news links) but nothing to suggest notability. SwisterTwister talk 18:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - It may be hard to find based on a simple search (try different versions of his name Khaled vs. Khalid, Saleh vs. Salih, etc. also try arabic). I believe he was frequently cited in media back in 2012/2013, and also in 2014. Mostly regaridng the Geneva II Conference and chemical weapons use. He is also a person that is standing up against war crimes. Some examples:

Erlbaeko (talk) 12:09, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - thanks for the links, I have not seen these previously. However, I think all of them except for the PR Week piece are the definition of trivial mentions and raise issues of WP:NOTINHERITED. Saleh isn't the subject of the article and they provide almost no information on him. The PR Week article might help establish notability, but I don't believe it would on its own. mikeman67 (talk) 13:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question - I am not too familiar with this process. If the article is deleted, can it be recreated later? I don't have the time to work on this article right now, but I believe he is, or at least was (and that he might will be) notable.

Comment - This article "Syrian Coalition media director Khalid Saleh: Crime with no consequence, the story of Assad and the international community is different. It is written by Khalid Saleh. It also contain some information on him. Quote:

Saleh is the director of the Syrian Coalition’s media office. He is a member of the Syrian Coalition, and a founding member of the Syrian National Coalition. Saleh was one of the original 22 members who met to establish the Syrian National Council in 2011, and currently serves on the SNC’s executive office. He also heads the political office of the Dier Ezzor Revolutionary Council and is a member of The Syrian National Current’s political office.

Erlbaeko (talk) 14:35, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you certainly can recreate a deleted page, see here for more details: WP:RECREATE. However, if you think the page meets the notability guidelines, and can share articles about him here, I'd of course have no issue withdrawing the nomination. The article you posted from The Hill would not establish notability. Saleh needs to be the subject of the article, not the author. See here for the basic rules: WP:BASIC. I'd suggest that if the page is kept, it should be moved to Khalid Saleh, since that seems to be the more common English spelling online. mikeman67 (talk) 14:45, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for the links. I basicly created the article to get rid of a red link, but I have noticed his name in lot of articles, and I believe he is notable. However, the article needs a lot of improvements, so if it can be recreated later I do not have any problems with a delete decision. Regarding his name; Reuters, BBC and RT mostly use Khaled Saleh. CNN, al-monitor and Time use Khalid Saleh. The National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces use "Khaled Al Salih" and I don't know. Erlbaeko (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Delete: as it exists now. (Keep if improved.) Erlbaeko (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We're discussing the article as it exists now, not a future version that one envisions chock-full of sources. This person's name appears in many articles because he is a spokesman...that's what spokesmen do; speak. Him being quoted in the context of doing his job does not confer notability on the man himself. Tarc (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, agreed. However, I believe he is more than just a spokesman. Erlbaeko (talk) 16:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This video may change your minds, but I am not sure if the ANDMagazine is a RS. It takes 22 min to watch. Khalid Saleh - Media Director Syrian Coalition The article itself is about him. Erlbaeko (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable. And I'd suggest changing any red-links to generic "the spokesman for ... said" Mnnlaxer (talk) 15:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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