Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hit Back

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The result was keep. The consensus is that the proffered sources are sufficient to establish notability. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:12, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hit Back

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No assertion of notability substantiated by citations to reliable third-party sources. Might be okay at ru.wiki, but not here. --EEMIV (talk) 12:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The same. IMDB and Allmovie is not notable? -- SerdechnyG (talk) 13:40, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nope they are not. Please familiarize yourself with WP:RS (linked above). --Crusio (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Keep ~~no reliable sources.~~ Change to keep - reliable sources established below. (GregJackP (talk) 14:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC))[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. -- Crusio (talk) 23:33, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Unnotable film with no significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources. Being listed in diretory sites like IMDB and Allmovie does not confer notability, and IMDB is user-edited. Film fails WP:NF and WP:N. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment IMDB is most assuredly not user edited. Users might submit informations, as do production companies... but users do not have access to their database's editing tools. That clarification being made, Collectonian is correct in that simply being listed on IMDB or Allmovie does not impart notability. If any Russian reading Wikipedian can translate these news links and then show enough notability in Russia as a Russian film, that notability could be enough for en.Wikiedia, as we also do not have bias against UK films, Itallian films, Indian films, German films, etc, if proper notability, even if only in those countries, can be shown though even non-English RS. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment IMDb not be user edited, but under WP standards, it is explicitly stated that it is NOT a reliable source for articles. (GregJackP (talk) 02:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC))[reply]

We are not in disagreement. Which is why I hope that a Russian-reading Wikipedian might help with the search for possible sources, as I do not read Russian. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I have a few. Books and printed periodicals:

(in Russian)Soviet featured movies: Annotated catalogue
(in Russian)Today's cinematography, vol.3 - 1985
(in Russian)Art of Cinema, №1-4 - 1982
(in Russian)Home cinematics: Russian cinema 1918-1996
(in Russian)Country Youth, №.1-6 - 1999
(in Russian)Our cinema
(in Latvian)(in Russian)Chronicle of Print

and in English: Historical dictionary of Russian and Soviet cinema - Page 742

and web-media, of course [1] -- SerdechnyG (talk) 09:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in good faith acceptance of sources found and provided by User:SerdechnyG since this AFD was initiated. I would encourage that the sources be added to the article itself. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 16:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to In the Zone of Special Attention, to which this is a sequel. Together they might actually become a decent article. --Crusio (talk) 03:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They might be a decent articles without merging. -- SerdechnyG (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the sources found by User:SerdechnyG - seem to establish ample notability. Regards, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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