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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. per sourcing by Carrite v/r - TP 15:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cynthia Basinet

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Unremarkable actress and singer. The claim that she was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize as a member of the group 1000 PeaceWomen is supported by a press release. Note that nominations for Nobel Prizes are sealed for 50 years from the year of nomination, so this claim cannot be substantiated. Basinet's music career is not notable. Basinet's film career is not notable. Basinet is apparently only notable for recording a version of a very often recorded Christmas song which people mistakenly believe is sung by Marilyn Monroe (although I suspect that this is likely something put forward by her publicist rather than a general misconception). It may be informative to check the sources used.

The article has been deleted several times and is salted to prevent re-creation (this version was created in an apparent response to a request made on IRC). Basinet has been regularly and repeatedly added to Santa Baby by single purpose accounts for literally years now. See Talk:Santa Baby for previous discussion about Basinet. Note that one of the images on the current article is a copyright violation. Note that the creator of the article, User:Lambano Blosko is a single purpose account whose edits all relate to Basinet. Note that although this version of the article was moved from User:Lambano Blosko/Cynthia Basinet, there also exists a version created 19 December in User:Naruki09/sandbox. Note that although User:Naruki09 registered and made two edits in 2006, they took a 5 year hiatus before returning to become another single purpose Basinet-promoting account. Note also the contributions of User:68.175.21.168, a single purpose IP account. There's a reason that this BLP reads like poorly written PR copy... Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:58, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Though this article may currently read as a "poorly written PR copy", there seems to be enough notability to allow this to transform into a decent article. Beyond her apparently disputed fame for Santa Baby, she also seems to have a 20-year career in TV and film (including work with news satire group The Onion), as well as a 10-year career in music. Also, she's a bloody good-looking redhead. Cracked Oil Pepper (talk) 05:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not the Walrus she rescued but a good one
  • In a mixed way I am not of the opinion that this is a notable article despite the pleas of Mr Pepper and his exertions to the extremes of the good looking redhead as this is NO WAY TO BUILD A ENCYCLOPEDIA by RUBBING YOURSELF LUSTFULLY AGAINST THE ARTICLES YOU WANT TO KEEP, this is an Interactive Project not a Delight for the Perverts! Also as Dr Carbuncle indicates above Statements such as the Nobel Prize are unverified! On the other hand I understand that she rescued a poor Walrus from being chopped up by a propellor and gave it a home, which means that (I declare I have great sympathy for sea mammal) she would get my vote in some kind of Animal Rescue Election. But this is not an animal rescue election! Therefore I must reluctantly conclude that Delete is the only way forward. And forward we go, with great delight. Forward! Forward! Cloddy Hans (talk) 13:01, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I think there has been a misunderstanding. Yes, I registered in back in 2006, and you're right, I didn't make any edits until now as back then I didn't understand the wikipedia syntax or the community. But, I'm not a "single purpose Basinet-promoting account" or person as you say. I'm just a regular university student who finds himself stuck at home recovering from an operation and thus quite bored, so I decided to start on wikipedia again. I created the Basinet page in my sandbox because she is a favourite musical artist of mine and I was surprised that she didn't have a wikipedia page. I did note that Basinet had a page on wikipedia that was deleted, I believe the reasons given were that firstly, the article was poorly written. I have tried to fix and improve that in my own article (User:Naruki09/sandbox) to make sure it as free as bias as possible. At the present moment, I'm waiting on help for someone to review my writing to ensure its up to wikipedia standards and whilst I'm waiting I've begun editing other pages. Secondly, the article was deleted because she wasn't deemed 'notable.' I don't know what my opinion is worth here, but personally I think she is a great humanitarian who, as Cracked Oil Pepper said, has a long career in many industries that has brought her some fame. Although Nobel nominees are sealed for 50 years, it is well recognised that in 2005 there was the movement 1000 peace women for the nobel prize. Cynthia was a part of that movement, as documented here. If that doesn't qualify her for an article then I feel that ultimately we/wikipedia, as an encyclopaedia which must therefore in principle present facts, are somewhat responsible for ensuring that Basinet does get credit for her wrongly attributed cover of Santa Baby. Also, Cloddy Hans, Cracked Oil Pepper made the comment about her being a "good looking redhead" last and in passing, perhaps you took it wrongly, but I think he meant it jokingly, so I don't feel that is a good reason to base part of your argument on. So, for those reasons I believe we should keep the article. Regards, Naruki09 (talk) 14:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did mention her looks in passing for that very reason. I did not intend to imply that Wikipedia should be a collection of hot photos of people, obviously. That being said, I stand by my observation that she is stunningly good-looking. Cracked Oil Pepper (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: User:Cracked Oil Pepper has been blocked for abusing multiple accounts, along with three other accounts created at the same time, User:Duracell Flattery, User:Watershed Bay, and User:Jbenson11. I've also blocked User:Cloddy Hans and User:Jeremy Wordsworth for disruptive behavior and abusing multiple accounts. --jpgordon::==( o ) 16:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC) [reply]
  • Comment - I'm coming into this one with an open mind. Let's see what we see. From the article, I see former GF of Jack Nicolson, actress, and a musician who covered "Santa Baby." That seems like we're at least on the inclusion-worthiness borderline here, let's see how she stacks up under the General Notability Guideline... ABILITY MAGAZINE has an interview with Cynthia Basinet. Carrite (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here's ANOTHER INTERVIEW on a lesser web music resource. I can definitely see the point of the detractors that there is a lot of self-promotion in association with this subject. Did I say NOBEL NOMINATED subject?!?! NOBEL NOMINATED!!! However, for a "Nobel Nominated" personage, there is precious little showing at the top of a Google search on exactly what she has done to make her Nobel Nominated, y'know. Then again, Barack Obama won a peace prize for having a different name and more articulate speaking style than George W. Bush, so maybe that Nobel thing is altogether overrated. That said: yeah, tons of self-promotion about an unverifiable and dubious Nobel Prize nomination... Carrite (talk) 20:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here's yet another WEB INTERVIEW, this by Black Entertainment Blog on Basinet's work raising awareness of the problems of the Saharawi people of Western Sahara. Carrite (talk) 20:23, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, here we go. JAZZ REVIEW.COM notes that Basinet is featured in the book Entertainment: Divas, Cabaret, Jazz Then and Now, by Maximillien de Lafayette. I'm not finding much on that particular title, but I do note that the same author has put out at least 4 editions of a Who's Who in Jazz thang, so benefit of the doubt should be given... Carrite (talk) 20:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Let me repeat what you may have skipped over in the deletion nomination - Nobel Prize nominations are sealed for 50 years from the date of nomination. If Basinet were nominated, we would have no way of knowing (for a few more decades). In any case, Basinet was not even the putative nomineee - that was a group call 1000 PeaceWomen, to which Basinet apparently belongs. As for the claim that she was Jack Nicholson's girlfriend, it has no bearing on her notability, but I invite you to view this review on Amazon.com for the book that is used as a source. It appears that Basinet's PR person has been at work there, too. One of the interviews you cite is literally just a few paragraphs, another is a personal blog, and you failed to note that the Jazz Review piece is actually a press release (credited to "Hartman PR"). Are you sure you came into this with an open mind? You seem to have gone out of your way to find and accept sub-par sources. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 03:18, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sealed? Sure. But an absolutely secret? Apparently not. Reliable sources seem to have gotten the information, as that's what many do quite well. Inter Press Service writes of her as nominated.[1] And that same information is contained in the United Nations Sixty-second General Assembly ONU Committee meeting documents of October 9, 2007.[2] Sealed or no... she being a 2005 nominee does not appear to be a secret.[3][4] Stockholm must have a leak or two. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the above. The "Santa Baby" cover seems culturally significant and this does seem to be a public figure that is the subject of independent, third-party coverage both as an entertainer and as a political activist. Not a notability slam dunk, to be sure, and I think she does pass GNG and the encyclopedia would be worse off from deletion. Problems with the article need to be addressed through the normal editing process, not deletion. Carrite (talk) 20:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep with reservations, see commentary I did edit the article substantially, so perhaps my opinion is compromised by being too close to the subject. To address the first poster's object, I found her biography on the PeaceWomen site and added a reference to it in the article. I do think that Lambano Blosko either *is* Cynthia Basinet, her agent, or basically stole the pictures in the article (violated copyright) -- the Western Sahara performance picture is the same picture of her on the PeaceWomen site. On that basis, I'd probably move to delete the pictures until new pictures are picked up somewhere that don't appear anywhere else on the internet. At first, when I was looking for her, I wasn't sure whether or not she was a real person, whether this was a hoax person, but the Allmusic 2001 listing of "c basinet" and other sites (prominent mention in that one Jack Nicholson biography that I referenced in the article) make it appear that she likely is a real person, just one that doesn't really do any promotion or is otherwise very notable (probably as a result of her decision to eschew releasing through big companies and instead to release solely through the internet). I think there are enough references that if someone down the road tries to push this article as a result of how easy it is to submit fraudulent information to Wikipedia, we have far and away enough outside secondary sources referenced (the UN pages, Jack's biography, various websites who interviewed her, various websites that review the music she's released) that we can point to them and say that Wikipedia is a tertiary source. I do think she hits the notability criteria and I would have liked to have seen more work put into the filmography section, etc. before the article was moved from userspace into mainspace, as I posted on Lambano Blosko's talk page, but I think the page is sufficient at this point to avoid deletion. That's just my opinion, though, and I have worked on the article a fair bit as I pointed out, so perhaps I'm too emotionally invested in the article -- take my opinion for what you think it's worth. :) Banaticus (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • My sense is that Lambano Blosko is a new user, a non-native speaker of English, and probably a fan rather than a functionary. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way, Lambano... There is a separate deletion process for photos, I add. Carrite (talk) 01:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • After comment: I think it's important to judge this based upon the notability of the artist, rather than deleting the article as a way of punishing the artist for their continued badgering on this article. Naruki09 (talk) 01:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

*Post-After Comment: Molon labe! meaning "Come [and] take [them]!", is a classical Greek expression of defiance which roughly corresponds to the modern equivalent English phrase "over my dead body". Since user Lambano Blosko's involvement, and indeed identity, have come into question in regard to this article, it would be advisable to note that "Molon" is the aorist active participle of the Greek verb "blosko" meaning "having come". Whereas, "labe" is the aorist active imperative of the verb "lambano" meaning "take [them]." Lambano Blosko is a user whose English is sub-par (evidence by past edits and summaries) and who has only recently joined Wikipedia and has almost entirely focused his/her activity on helping the Cynthia Basinet article. The username in fact literally proclaims "Over my dead body!" in Greek to the editors and admins who would suggest the article be deleted. Five Point Lexicon (talk) 02:27, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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