Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AWS Truepower (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 00:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AWS Truepower

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Renominating as I still question this article since it was first nominated in 2013 by JMHamo. My original PROD: "None of the listed sources are the needed substantial significant coverage and my own searches have found nothing better at all than press releases and trivial mentions.". I am still not convinced by the listed sources at the 1st AfD. SwisterTwister talk 22:12, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 22:13, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 22:13, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:25, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:25, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Corporate PR. Inadequate notability. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:59, 6 July 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Keep – Meets WP:CORPDEPTH. Sorting through search results and omitting press releases, which are numerous, enough coverage exists to meet WP:CORPDEPTH. Some source examples are listed below. Note that the sources below are not press releases, as evidenced in part by utilizing Google searches using the titles of these article, in which links are only present for these articles themselves, as opposed to press releases, which typically have the same article hosted on various websites. Full disclosure: I closed the first AfD discussion as an uninvolved user, but this does not preclude me from participating in this new AfD discussion.

The company also meets WP:AUD in that it has received coverage outside of its local area, such as in Spain and Iowa. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:19, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

"Con el viento al Magreb". El Periódico de Catalunya. (in Spanish) – Based in Barcelona, Spain
"The art of building utility-scale wind farms". Cherokee Chronicle Times. – Based in Cherokee, Iowa
"Change in wind hurts future". Times Union.
"Wind energy company to model L.I. coast area". Times Union.
"AWS Truepower works to predict the future of wind to site turbines". Times Union. (subscription required)
"Software acquisition broadens AWS Truepower analytical services". Albany Business Review. (Note that searching for this article's title in Google only provides a link to this article at Albany Business Review, so this is not a press release).

Comment - Examining the source above found 1 only containing a few sentences because it then says to buy that Sunday's news selection, the BizJournals is notorious for containing information for starting local new companies and is notorious for containing press release-like information, examining the Cherokee Times news, it only actually mentions this specific company twice. Finally the El Periodico (I'm a native Spanish speaker) is the only source that mentions them the highest number of times, but this is still not enough considering the sources overall. As mentioned, the PR clearly outweights here and, again, like with companies seeking attention, the Bizjournals was an example of that. SwisterTwister talk 05:03, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I think you're incorrect. The two non-paywalled Times Union articles provide significant coverage, and it's likely the third paywalled one does as well, seeing how the headline ("AWS Truepower works to predict the future of wind to site turbines") is entirely about the company. It's obvious the articles are about the company, and news articles don't have to state the name of the company in every sentence for readers to understand what the content pertains to. The Albany Business Review article is a bylined news article written by staff reporter Megan Rogers, and is not a press release whatsoever. To qualify my statement, when performing a search using the article's title (here), only the Albany Business Review article appears, and no others. As stated above, press releases are typically published verbatim by many various websites, which is not the case here at all. Stating that sources are "PR" by assertion alone without any proof for the claims holds no water. The following provides more proof for the other sources I listed above, using searches for the article titles. Notice how only the websites that published the articles are showing up in these searches:

The proof is in the pudding that these are independently written articles, and are not from the company, are not press releases and are not public relations content. These are all bylined news article written by staff reporters and published by reliable sources. Regarding the Cherokee Chronicle Times article, sure, the company name is only stated twice in the article, but again, it's clear that subsequent content is about the company and matters that the company is involved in. There is a total of four paragraphs pertaining to the company in this article. Again, a news article does not have to repeatedly state the company's name over and over again. Even if omitting the Cherokee Chronicle Times article, the company still meets WP:CORPDEPTH and satisfies WP:AUD. As such, my keep !vote stands. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:42, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Per this source the company's formal name is "AWS Truewind". Below is another source that provides significant coverage about the company and matters it has been involved with. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:15, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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References

"America’s Wind Energy Potential Triples in New Estimate". Wired'.

Although the Wired article may mention it a few times, it would still be thin considering it's the closest there is to both non-PR or non-significant coverage; as such, with such questionability, it's best deleted until better is actually available. Also, about the comment about its apparent "significant coverage in Spain and Iowa" is only because of its local offices, thus there's no inherited notability for such local businesses expectedly being mention by local news of course. SwisterTwister talk 22:55, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:48, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per significant coverage in reliable sources enumerated in this and previous AfD discussion. ~Kvng (talk) 17:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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