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Template help!

Hello! The template you made (Template:USGS Index ID) has an issue where it will insert line feed characters and break CS1 templates. Please fix. BhamBoi (talk) 21:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

USGS 70032860 BhamBoi (talk) 21:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

It managed to turn my signature into code blocks, and also causes errors in {{cite journal}}:

Tucker, D.; Hildreth, W.; Ullrich, T.; Friedman, R. (2007). "Geology and complex collapse mechanisms of the 3.72 Ma Hannegan caldera, North Cascades, Washington, USA". Geological Society of America Bulletin. 119 (3–4): 329–342. Bibcode:2007GSAB..119..329T. doi:10.1130/b25904.1. ISSN 0016-7606. S2CID 128417330. USGS 70032860. BhamBoi (talk) 21:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

(Actually, because that worked... It seems to cuase an error when following the ResearchGate template:

Tucker, D.; Hildreth, W.; Ullrich, T.; Friedman, R. (2007). "Geology and complex collapse mechanisms of the 3.72 Ma Hannegan caldera, North Cascades, Washington, USA". Geological Society of America Bulletin. 119 (3–4): 329–342. Bibcode:2007GSAB..119..329T. doi:10.1130/b25904.1. ISSN 0016-7606. S2CID 128417330. ResearchGate:249527328 USGS 70032860. BhamBoi (talk) 21:49, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

@BhamBoi: Hmm. Looks like an extra line feed got appended to the end of the template. Let me know if any of the others have the same issue. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 01:11, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Wow, that's a pernicious newline that mediawiki automatically inserts. I guess I must have run into it before when making inline templates, but that's really bad engineering. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 03:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Was it successfully removed? BhamBoi (talk) 03:50, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@BhamBoi: Well, your signature above looks okay now, and I used AWB to apply the same solution to all of the new templates, so I certainly hope so. But really, you are in a better position to tell me because you know all the ways you got the error in the first place and can see if it no longer appears. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 04:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

True, does seem to be fixed! Thanks again for these! BhamBoi (talk) 04:12, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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April 2023

Hello, Vanisaac. I noticed that your recent edit to Da (Indic) added a link to an image on an external website or on your computer, or to a file name that does not exist on Wikipedia's server. For technical and policy reasons it is not possible to use images from external sources on Wikipedia. Most images you find on the internet are copyrighted and cannot be used on Wikipedia, or their use is subject to certain restrictions. If the image meets Wikipedia's image use policy, consider uploading it to Wikipedia yourself or request that someone else upload it. See the image tutorial to learn about wiki syntax used for images. Thank you. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 05:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics

Can you tell me where Andrew Dalby's "Dictionary Of Languages" says these are derived from Devanagari? I can't seem to find that in the copy I have. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 23:51, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Now that's a very different story than you had before. I've added an online reference that I know supports it now. But I highly disagree with you blanking entire sections of content because you disagree with one particular claim within that section. There is a lot of content on Wikipedia that makes the connection between handwritten Devanagari script and the letterforms for the original Ojibway syllabics, and it does so without being contested even when it's not explicitly cited everywhere. But I do have a more direct citation of it now: Zui. "Writing in North America — Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics". The Language Closet. Retrieved 2 April 2023. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 00:04, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, but more sources would be helpful, because the previous ones didn't seem to mention the connection. And it just took me a while to find a copy. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 00:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

"Proper font support" on Kaktovik numerals

I'm not objecting to your restoration of text, but I too cannot see the numerals in question — and this is even after I installed the two fonts at the first external link, rebooted my computer, and tried two different browsers. So I support also restoring the SVG characters, at least until the Unicode works (not just for me). – _•Raven  ^.talk 02:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Wadaad's writing

Another article title we might want to reconsider. — kwami (talk) 05:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

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Numeric HTML entity

Just an FYI that might save you some time...   is the same as writing a regular ASCII space " " with the spacebar. If you're looking to add spaces without line breaks, I recommend {{nowrap}}. -- Beland (talk) 19:20, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, I saw you did the last accepted edit for Godfrey Kirumira, my edit was rejected by my mentor citing 1000 reasons. Do you mind editing the page again? I can share updated information Gavin Ngabonziza (talk) 08:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	For all you been doing around here for close to two decades (and still going!) Volten001 ☎ 08:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

@Volten001: Much thanks for the recognition. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 18:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

No problem... Happy editing Volten001 ^☎ 19:43, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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Uhh... hey

Finally found another active user who knows chinook jargon (at least a little!) I've been writing pages on the Incubator (https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/chn/Tayi-pipa) for the past few months. Nice to see that I'm not the only one on here. POSSUM chowg (talk) 18:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Louis Severance

Your edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Louis_Severance&diff=prev&oldid=1100863298) left behind a partial reference. I removed it for you. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 19:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I am unable to use the thank feature with an IP, but thanks for your assistance, @76.14.122.5: VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 20:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

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ClueBot III delay?

Page: User talk:Ss0jse

Question: "This page has archives. Sections older than 1 hours may be automatically archived by ClueBot III when more than 5 sections are present." Is "may" the operative word there?

Also: The "example topics" on that page are for testing Cluebot III's response time. Ss0jse (talk) 18:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ss0jse:, so I have no idea about how ClueBot III works, but bots in general don't respond to a circumstance like a talk page thread that has expired. Instead, they periodically make a run through pages that they have identified as having requested their service, and check if each one has the circumstance that will trigger their edit. So ClueBot III may only run once a day, or even only a couple times a week, or it could do runs every 3 hours - I don't know. It could have pages categorized into different classes of runs based on their configuration template parameters, and it might even have machine learning that prevents it from having to regularly check pages that don't have the kind of activity necessitating a given frequency. I don't know how any of it works. But you know who does? The person that runs ClueBot does. So to answer that question, you'd want go to User talk:ClueBot III and check out the information there, look through the archives, and if you still can't find what you're looking for, put your question on the talk page to see if they will answer it for you.

Just realize that it is Labor Day weekend in the US, when many people take summer-end trips. So you might not get a response from the owner of ClueBot. I myself am about to take off because I have a wedding to go to tomorrow, and probably won't be checking in here until Monday. VanIsaac, GHTV ^cont_WpWS 19:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. Ss0jse (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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Korean Braille

Hey Vanisaac! A belated welcome back.

With Korean Braille, can you tell if the 'syllable' abbreviations/contractions can take an initial or final consonant? That is, would the syllable sam be written sa-m, or is sa reserved for an entire syllable only, so sam would have to be spelled out s-a-m? I assume it's sa-m, but before I reword our article [and wiktionary] I wanted to verify.

Okay, I've reviewed your edits as you said above, so now I can complain. My complaint is that I haven't run into you for a while. — kwami (talk) 02:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah, yeong has a fn saying that it's "eong after s, ss, j, jj, and ch," so I think that clinches it. — kwami (talk) 04:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Your edit to my user page caused a notification for me. Not ideal. If you are doing multiple edits (>5) I think an account with a bot flag may avoid this. Commander Keane (talk) 02:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've held off on the fix until I get feedback at WP:AWBREQ. VanIsaac, GHTV ^contr_about 02:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for mass message fix

Thanks for fixing the link in the mass message sent to around 600 users (last I noted) by a third party. I not infrequently see careless messages being sent out, and I think users who do that should have their mass-mailing privileges suspended on a sliding scale, depending on some function of seriousness level, number of destination pages, and mail frequency. This one was annoying, but benign (a link that went nowhere, kind of negating the whole point of the message) and 600 means it took some time on your part to fix it. I don't know how often that user issues mass mailings, but if it's one every month, then maybe they should be suspended for two or three months.

On the other hand, the jokers that send out messages that break the rest of the Talk page they are found on by unbalanced expressions, invalid markup, or other problems that could've been discovered simply by passing it through an HTML parser first, should have their privileges removed indefinitely, with no prejudice to regaining them after an appeal similar to a block appeal.

I cannot abide the cavalier attitude of a few mass mail users, who apparently due to the lack of any inconvenience to them continue spraying out junk into the ether. Time to make them feel the pain. (I am normally an easy-going editor and I accept all sorts of mistakes by all and sundry with equanimity, but not this one; maybe because it is so easily avoided, and most mass mail problems represent a lack of care for the outcome, and cluelessness or contempt for the time of other editors who clean up after them.) Thanks for your effort repairing this. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 05:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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24-year service award

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HTML entities

FYI, " " resolves to just a regular ASCII space. Putting it next to another space does not result in any additional space. -- Beland (talk) 01:13, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I am quite aware of that. " " has a single advantage of not getting accidentally stripped in template substitution, preventing an unending debugging cycle just to get a simple space where it's needed. Unicodification by bots and AWB should eventually clean up the code, but I'm hesitant to make those kinds of runs, as they are a WP:COSMETIC edit. VanIsaac, GHTV ^contr_about 01:38, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

I have been making runs to convert numeric HTML entities to more appropriate representations, and had eliminated all of them from articles except for those that are necessary or extremely common (hundreds of thousands of instances). Such edits are not cosmetic in the sense of WP:COSMETIC, as the presence of unexpected entities can affect downstream consumers like search engines, spell checkers, and content republishers. These entities also of course make wikitext harder to read.

I'm writing because your edits added hundreds of these entities to articles - not templates - like Ba (Indic). I was hoping to avoid large number of these being added in the future, especially in these linguistics articles. There is lots of other non-conforming syntax, like IPA superscript characters, which I need to leave in place, and that means I need to pick through the articles and do a manual search-and-replace to fix the HTML entities. -- Beland (talk) 02:00, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm sorry I wasn't clearer. I have a bunch of intertwined templates in userspace that allows me to take categories of Indic script conjunct images in commons, and algorithmically add that content to those pages. It does this through substitution of those userspace templates, which is why these coding artefacts crop up in article space. My reading of WP:COSMETICBOT is that it is precisely about not changing things that only change the wikitext for editors without altering the presentation of the page to readers. But if the consensus that established that part of policy has been superseded, either in whole or in part for this kind of situation, please point me in the direction of that guidance so that I can lobby for updates. Or if you disagree with the policy as currently written - and it seems above that you have legitimate arguments for doing so - I would love to join a conversation about it at some place like WT:Bot policy. VanIsaac, GHTV ^contr_about 02:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Would it be possible to adjust your templates to have cleaner, human-friendly output? -- Beland (talk) 03:16, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

I took a look through the templates linked from your user page; I couldn't find where HTML entities were being injected. If you need more complicated logic than templates can handle, we also have the ability to write Lua modules to filter text. In the recent edits I noticed that sometimes " " just needs to be substituted with a single space, and sometimes it's next to a regular ASCII space and should just be deleted. -- Beland (talk) 17:40, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

So the way this works is each script gets its own template to hold its basic character repertoire, has the standard transliteration package, and includes several options for composing the elements needed to demonstrate the constituent consonants of the conjunct image. The last run I did was for Tirhuta, held at User:Vanisaac/tirh, but all of them are basically copied from User:Vanisaac/deva, with the new character repertoire inserted from a spreadsheet I maintain. This script master file includes {{subst:<noinclude/>sp}} in several places, in order to ensure spaces are included after the + between the constituent consonants, as well as after the final consonant of the conjunct cluster. I built that workaround back on June 14, 2020 in edits to User:Vanisaac/beng at 3:53:28 and 4:04:51. I never would have even considered including those if the parser weren't stripping necessary spaces in the process before I added them. VanIsaac, GHTV ^contr_about 00:21, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps all you need to do is wrap your final output with Template:Plain space and subst. -- Beland (talk) 00:30, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Excellent idea. Unfortunately {{Plain space}} doesn't seem to be set up for substituting. When I tried it at [1], it just left a bunch of template code behind. I don't now how modules work substituting, but if you could get someone to get that template up to spec, I would be more than happy to use it. VanIsaac, GHTV ^contr_about 00:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

That's sad, though it does indicate how to do this using Lua without writing new code. I managed to achieve the desired effect with:

{{subst:#invoke:String|replace|source={{subst:#invoke:String|replace|source=YOUR TEXT HERE|pattern= |replace=¬ ¬}}|pattern=¬|replace=}} :::::::::

I also just discovered that Mediawiki does not strip whitespace from unnamed parameters. Perhaps you could simply avoid using named parameters in the critical parts of your cascade? -- Beland (talk) 01:25, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

A nice thought, but that distinction is about template inputs, not output. Plus, I don't have any named parameters anyway. I looked into the history at {{Plain space}}, and it looks like it had some safesubst code created back in 2022, but he put the <noinclude /> before the colon instead of after, which I think caused problems for transclusions. I'm not seeing problems with {{Trim date}} with my ostensible fix, so hopefully that will get things rolling. It definitely worked for substituting in this edit, so I'm cautiously optimistic. VanIsaac, GHTV ^contr_about 03:05, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

Ah, excellent! -- Beland (talk) 06:52, 3 April 2025 (UTC)