User talk:Graham87/Archive 71
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January music
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300 years ago, an unusual Bach cantata was born: happy new year! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:26, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
... inviting you to check out "my" story (fun listen today, full of surprises), music (and memory), and places (pictured by me: the latest uploads) any day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
Today you can listen to the 2010 premiere of a violin sonata with the composer also the pianist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
Mozart music for today! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
20 January is the 100th birthday of David Tudor (see my story) and the 300th birthday of Bach's cantata Meine Seufzer, meine Tränen, BWV 13, if we go by date instead of occasion as he would have thought, so see my story for last Sunday, and celebrate ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
Look for Wind of Change in music, and for vacation in places. The story is about a unique Bach cantata that relates to a current DYK nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2026 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject History Merge/37
Hey Graham, just one left on Wikipedia:WikiProject History Merge/37 and just looking a second set of eyes on this is case I missed something as my brain is still a bit murky recovering from a virus. The two deleted edits of the target article Beibarys Atyrau are just a redirect and bot fixing that redirect. To me it looks like the rest is a mix of parallel histories and any actual copying was the same author anyway, so we should just leave and clear? Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- @KylieTastic: Yes, I've done that. Even *I* wouldn't do the history merge there because of the parallel histories. And on the highly unlikely event that another similar bot report is made, that particular item won't be detected as a cut-and-paste move any more because of this undeletion by @Dreamy Jazz:, so there's no need to tag it with {{nahmc}}. Graham87 (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks KylieTastic (talk) 23:42, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
Hello Graham
Hello @Graham87 Do you know a place on Wikipedia where sombody can to proofread an article like this one User:Aemijork/Vanessa_Hafenbrädl
In Germany we got the "Wikipedia:Übersetzungswerkstatt" but it seems dead.
Thank you Aemijork (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
- @Aemijork: Unfortunately there isn't a page for your particular situation. But on skimming the opening paragraph, I notice some duplicate text that I've removed. You could submit it the page to articles for creation, but that will take a while. However, if you have a close personal connection/conflict of interest relating to the artist, you should submit it using that route, because the conflict of interest guideline discourages direct article editing in that case. The article strikes me as a bit promotional in its current form, but is also fairly long which would dissuade people from working on it. If you need help moving the page to the article namespace, feel free to ask at the teahouse, a friendly space for new users. Graham87 (talk) 11:54, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
- Oh i see and thanks for the help. Danke Aemijork (talk) 11:59, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
Some talk page undeletions
My request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Special:Undelete/Talk:Jewish exodus from Arab lands appears to have gotten lost in the shuffle, so I dug a bit further in case there were extenuating circumstances relating to the deletion and found out that it was presumably acccidentally deleted as part of a mass deletion by @El C: in 2007 related to a bot that had gone haywire. With the assistance of GPT 5.2 (and a few false starts in which I figured out exactly what I wanted to know),I made this database query, which came up with a few more pages that should be undeleted, as follows (I've manually filtered out a few where the deletions were unproblematic):
- Special:Undelete/Talk:Jewish exodus from Arab lands, as discussed above, the page with by far the highest number of revisions affected here
- Special:Undelete/Talk:Jerusalem artichoke, appears to have contained a bit of early discussion.
- Special:Undelete/Talk:Imad Fares, appears to have just contained maintenance templates per this deletion log entry. I would undelete it if I could but I'd understand that other people wouldn't and I don't think an undeletion would be essential here.
- Special:Undelete/Talk:Institute for Middle East Understanding, was earlier deleted as an orphaned page but the corresponding article was restored. I'd definitely restore the older edits if they contained text, otherwise, like the previous entry, meh.
- Special:Undelete/Talk:Cave of Adullam: seems to have contained a short but productive comment from 2004 that should be restored.
Anyone who sees this, feel free to do the relevant undeletions. I'll also write a message on the deleting admin's talk page and on the requests for undeletion page. Thanks. Graham87 (talk) 11:32, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- For those curious about the automated deletion summaries linked above, see this 2008 discussion. Graham87 (talk) 12:20, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- Done, undeleted all. Turned out the Institute for Middle East Understanding had some (fairly trivial) extra content in addition to the maintenance templates. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:42, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
Re help desk
It looks like the three edits you imported there more properly belong in the history of Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:52, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Yeah I thought of that ... but the gap in history would be quite large (too much for me) in that case). The history at "help desk" is all continuous ... but one of us can move the edits if we want. Graham87 (talk) 03:12, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- The gap can be partially filled with the history from "Wikipedia help desk" in the August 2001 DB dump. And I'd rather keep the two bits of the history together, even with a known gap, then pretend the gap doesn't exist by scattering them to two completely separate pages. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:26, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Fair enough, I'll import/move the edits. This comment will be a permalink that I'll link to in the import summary. Graham87 (talk) 03:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- The gap can be partially filled with the history from "Wikipedia help desk" in the August 2001 DB dump. And I'd rather keep the two bits of the history together, even with a known gap, then pretend the gap doesn't exist by scattering them to two completely separate pages. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:26, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
Austin Appelbee
Hi, I've just been watching BBC News - there was a story about a boy called Austin Appelbee, who swam 4 km to get help for his mother, brother and sister, who were adrift off Quindalup beach and heading out into Geographe Bay. I think that's your local area? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:40, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Redrose64: Yes, very close ... he was hospitalised at Busselton Health Campus. An amazing feat ... wow, didn't know that story made it to the BBC too! Graham87 (talk) 04:26, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
February music
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From vacation, so missed some interesting stories, such as about Jubilant Sykes. Today about Richie Beirach, jazz pianist. Which of his music samples would you have chosen? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 5 February 2026 (UTC)
Tamás Vásáry today, who began his career with a Mozart concerto at age 8. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
Giants today, RD Helmuth Rilling and OTD Friedrich Cerha 100. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
Today something new: a 100th birthday of someone alive, György Kurtág! In 2004 I was there when he and his wife played for the Rheingau Musik Festival where he was the featured composer. They played as the 2019 DYK said, on an upright piano, - listen, the last piece was the same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:50, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Awwww, I remember them!. Graham87 (talk) 00:47, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
- I was too tired to remember that you would remember and gave everybody the same info ;) - Today will be Percy Grainger, with the only video he played. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
- Today's main page features four biographies I helped to bring there, two women and two men, three opera singers (one pictured) and an actor, - a record for me, I believe ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
| Hey, Graham87. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 00:03, 17 February 2026 (UTC) |
Happy 21st, congratulations and well done. Oronsay (talk) 01:52, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
| The Writer's Barnstar | |
| For your meaningful edits and articles written, I hereby award you, on the 20th of February 2026, 11:41 AM local Jakarta time (my local timezone), the Writer's Barnstar! Keep up the great work! Jeremy1231233 (talk) 04:42, 20 February 2026 (UTC) |
- @Jeremy1231233: Thanks! Graham87 (talk) 04:43, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Perseverance
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| Being completely blind yet being able to create and edit meaningfully? You're a great space to the Wikipedia community, despite your physical limitation. I hereby award you the Barnstar of Perseverance, 11:50, local Jakarta time. Jeremy1231233 (talk) 04:50, 20 February 2026 (UTC) |
- @Jeremy1231233: Thanks again! Graham87 (talk) 06:52, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 February 26 § Categories:Single-article songs by artist
Categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 February 26 § Categories:Single-article songs by artist on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. ZNático (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
Quick undeletion needed (a 2005 remnant of the page move vandal Willy on wheels)
Please undelete Talk:Vegetable on wheiels!, a remnant of page move vandalism by Willie on Wheiels, so I can history-merge it with Talk:Vegetable (or feel free to do the history merge yourself). The history may be trivial (what was in the only non-blank revision may well have been nonsense), but I actually feel fairly strongly that this history should be restored because the only reason it's deleted is because of the page move vandalism; it simply wasn't moved back when Vegetable on wheiels! was. I'll tag the talk page for speedy deletion if necessary. "Talk:Vegetable" is the only page listed as "created" by this vandal. I'm putting this one here and not Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion because it's so odd that I think it's worth noting here (and more people here might be amused by it). Slightly related is this old vandalism or whatever it was that I just uncovered. I discovered both of these cases because User:Roqvicpois/Vegetable Proteins is in today's batch of bot-tagged U6 candidates in review. Graham87 (talk) 14:52, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
Done (although yes, the first revision was nonsense). charlotte 👸♥ 15:58, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Queen of Hearts: Thanks. Oh wow; that first revision was a stock bad Internet joke about the infamous Terri Schiavo case and her being a vegetable (as she had been in a vegetative state for some time), posted less than a week before her death. Graham87 (talk) 16:07, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
March music
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Aribert Reimann's 90th birthday, with a hook mentioning his 80ths, the opera played by Oper Frankfurt after he died, listen to video, and I was there. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
Sorry, I was too busy to describe the pic: the dense white flowers of blackthorn left, one twig reaching out diagonally to the centre, with a rather large, mostly red butterfly on it, against the bluest sky. My idea of spring! - Of the four topics I helped to bring to the main page, I'm most proud of a woman's work, so made it my story. As it happens, last year's story OTD was about the woman. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2026 (UTC)
on Bach's birthday, a story about my joy --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
my story has remained the same for this day from the beginning: Bach's Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, first performed on Annunciation Day 1725. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
more Bach in story and music on Palm Sunday, imagine: four Easter cantatas in today's concert, and more places in Cyprus! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
Oops
Sorry about this. I was looking at your editing history to prepare for adding credit for WP:RIP to The Signpost, and my finger slipped on the "rollback" link. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:23, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Bri: No worries; these things happen. Graham87 (talk) 02:29, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
I assume this is a mistake....
I assume you did not just clear 400? KylieTastic (talk) 13:51, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
- @KylieTastic: Ta for the note. Nope, only one on that page. Graham87 (talk) 13:56, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
History merge
May you please merge the history of User:2024 Lakeview-Russell Points tornado and User:GrenadinesDes/sandbox? Made a terrible mistake of moving the former one and I'm hoping you're able to combine the histories back together. GrenadinesDes (talk) 20:44, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
- Done. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:19, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery thank you GrenadinesDes (talk) 21:24, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
- Indeed, thanks, @Pppery:. I've just got up now. Graham87 (talk) 02:28, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery thank you GrenadinesDes (talk) 21:24, 9 March 2026 (UTC)
Deprecated
The institutional memory is appreciated! My intent seems in line with the RfC though. The documentation said we don't use that method, but doesn't imply we shouldn't. For context, I went down this rabbit hole because a potentially troublesome user had made their user talk history hard to parse by move-archiving. Perhaps I phrased it sub-optimally? Vanamonde93 (talk) 04:15, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: No worries. Nah I think it's fine. For talk page watchers, this refers to my edit summary here; it brought back memories of the proponent of the page move method mentioned in that summary. Graham87 (talk) 04:20, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks. Enforcing this is another matter of course, but perhaps it will discourage those who may not otherwise know better. Vanamonde93 (talk) 04:44, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: Heh, that text addition was just referenced by @PrimeHunter: at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Searching edits to a given page name?. Quite prescient, but it seems more relevant to mention that here rather than over there. Graham87 (talk) 04:44, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
- I think the difficulty of searching a difficult user's talk history is a recurring problem. I considered proposing an outright ban at VPP - but recent discussions about user talk management have gone poorly, with a lot of concern about rule creep. So it did not feel worth the trouble. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: Heh, that text addition was just referenced by @PrimeHunter: at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Searching edits to a given page name?. Quite prescient, but it seems more relevant to mention that here rather than over there. Graham87 (talk) 04:44, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks. Enforcing this is another matter of course, but perhaps it will discourage those who may not otherwise know better. Vanamonde93 (talk) 04:44, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
Thank you
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| For helping to write an insightful and solemn obituary (vol. 22 issue 4). |
☆ Bri (talk) 04:51, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Bri: Thanks very much! Graham87 (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2026 (UTC)
Edit to the article on heat
Dear Graham87, I am puzzled by your current edits to the article on heat. I would be glad if you would very kindly explain them to me.Chjoaygame (talk) 02:57, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Chjoaygame: Sure. I found some old edits to the article in old copies of the Wikipedia database that had edits that aren't in this one and imported them here to make the page history as complete as possible. The Nostalgia Wikipedia, from which I imported the October 2001 edit, is a copy of the Wikipedia database from 20 December 2001, and you can read more about the August 2001 database dump in this Signpost article. There's more technical information about the import process at [[Help:Import and my user subpage at User:Graham87/Import. Hope this helps; feel free to ask any other questions you may have. Graham87 (talk) 03:20, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your kind care and help. Chjoaygame (talk) 05:53, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
April music
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Happy Easter! - The image shows a "bed" of purple wild flowers against light, those in front in focus, but not the others. I saw that in a forest on a walk to choir rehearsal last year, and a dear person celebrating with me now likes that image of subdued colours especially. Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 5 April 2026 (UTC)
Today's FA is Bridge, - a broad topic by many. My father loved bridges, and I wrote a few articles with that in mind (Empress Elisabeth Bridge, adding to Chain bridge and Müngsten Bridge, the latter for childhood memory), and also thinking of bridges between people. - I brought two bios to the same page, Christian Schwarz-Schilling and Bill Ramsey whose regular Swingtime I used to hear in the car driving to choir rehearsals ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
Today's story is about one of three bios I brought to today's main page: look (or better: listen to Decca representative, the video comes with many photos) and listen (to her playing), an extraordinary woman in many respects. - Thank you for copy-editing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 30 April 2026 (UTC)
Thank you
I was going to send you one of those Wikipedia "thanks" thingies for the edit that you made a few days ago to WP:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Introducing archives for WP:ERRORS, but couldn't because an edit in another section had been revdelled. You display more knowledge than anyone else about the history of Wikipedia. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:13, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Phil Bridger: No worries; thanks for the kind words. I've done some bits and pieces with the old village pump history/archives over the years (referenced in my personal Wikipedia timeline), so that's why I knew about the village pump example. I was reminded of the "in the news" one when checking what links to the village pump history archive. Also pinging the originator of the village pump thread, @Knightoftheswords281:, FYI. Graham87 (talk) 11:04, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks. I contacted Usernamekiran (talk · contribs), but he's currently busy. I tried adding an errors archive box to WP:ERRORS/Header, but was reverted by Stephen (talk · contribs). — Knightoftheswords 18:10, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
Accessibility question
Do any of the <section aria-labelledby="..."> elements emitted by Parsoid make a difference to your screen reader? sapphaline (talk) 21:25, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Sapphaline: Yes ... oh that's why the way they're read by my screen reader at, say, the Wikivoyage article on Perth, is a bit different. They read as ARIA regions and are to me redundant to the heading titles. I found them mildly annoying but not enough to look in to them further. Graham87 (talk) 03:11, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
CS1 error on Michael Krausz
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Oak Foundation deletion item
Hi, Graham, thanks for the importation help. I'm now working on the WP:AfD issue for the resulting article that you assisted with (two ways): Oak Foundation. I have to admit to being rusty, but as I slip into having more time on my hands, I'm hoping to do a lot more work on nonprofit leaders (especially diverse leaders) and nonprofit organizations. If I might trouble you, is my Keep case on the right track in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Oak_Foundation_(2nd_nomination)? Pointers on quality (and approach and tone) always welcome! JRandomF (talk) 19:58, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
- @JRandomF: Not fun re the deletion nom. I think your comments sound sensible, but I don't think I'm the best judge. The German Wikipedia seems to have different standards for this sort of thing compared to us. Graham87 (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback, will keep plugging away! JRandomF (talk) 19:32, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
May music
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Die Stechardin made it to the main page. The historic woman was a flower seller, - the pic has a carpet of yellow, orange, and golden to brown pansies to match. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
Delighted to see that you once began String Quintet No. 1 (Brahms), which I heard yesterday in a row of blissful musical events: can we expand that together? There's more in German, and perhaps you can also find more sources in English. I'm also interested in help to keep BWV 39 a GA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Yeah, I wrote the article as a placeholder for the audio files of it that I'd uploaded. I'm not hugely attached to it but I certainly don't mind it. I just found a tidbit to it that I added. I'm happy to rediscover that you fixed up the article soon after I'd created it way back in 2010; also see a couple of sections from your talk page archive starting here and your contributions at the time. Graham87 (talk) 07:37, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for your work on it. - Today: Felicity Lott. If you have little time, just give me a click ;) - If you have more, see her story. If you have more, listen to her singing Friendly Vision. If you have more, listen until she sings the word "peace" (Frieden), floating up high, serenely. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
Odd usernames upon import
In the past, when I've imported pages from nost, usernames have come out normally, e.g. see the history of StandardPoodle. I just now imported PariS, and to my surprise, imported> is part of the username. I didn't make a mistake necessarily (the same elements appear in the nost: history), but I wonder if there were anything else I could have done that would have trimmed imported> from the nost usernames? Guessing not, but you know much more about this than I do. Nyttend (talk) 22:47, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Nyttend: Yeah this is because of the database table actor migration in 2017 and an [[associated script run on all the Wikimedia databases. You need importupload rights to be able to import edits from the Nostalgia Wikipedia with usernames intact in most cases now; for more details see this message. I nominated the PariS redirect for RFD; it's not something I would've imported myself. Graham87 (talk) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm somewhat confused by your comment about "Assign edits to local users where the named user exists locally". I think I ticked that box when doing this import yesterday, but this still happened. I'm going to delete and immediately re-import, making sure to tick this box. Nyttend (talk) 19:35, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- OK, I deleted, reimported, and ticked that box, but again imported> is part of the username. I assumed that "transwiki importer" was part of the admin right set, but apparently not? I've restored your deletion tag, so the RFD can proceed normally. Nyttend (talk) 19:41, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- I've just now read WP:Importers. I somewhat understand the security implications of permitting only a limited number of users to import directly from XML (and I completely understand why we wouldn't want anyone to be able to bring pages from anywhere), but do you know why ordinary importers' imports are marked in this manner? Is it just an unintended side effect of the 2017 changes? I've loaded the phabricator page and the MediaWiki page, but I don't understand how those are related. Nyttend (talk) 19:50, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Transwiki importer is part of admin. As for the rest of your questions, here's a long explanation from the very beginning (some of this you may know already, I'm just being thorough)
- UseModWiki had a completely different concept of what it means to have an account or to be logged in. Hence, any UseModWiki accounts were not carried over to either enwiki or UseModWiki.
- Early versions of MediaWiki stored the username associated with an edit as two separate fields: "*_user" for the user ID (a key to the mw:Manual:User table) and "*_user_text" (the actual username or IP address)
- UseModWiki accounts weren't carried over (to either enwiki or Nostalgia Wikipedia). Hence, the revisions were imported in the nostwiki database with "*_user" fields of zero since there was no user ID recorded.
- In 2017, the developers decided this two-field system was wrong (it made renaming users a pain, among other reasons) and planned to migrate it to a "rev_actor" pointer in the mw:Manual:Actor table (this is the link that Graham87 posted)
- As part of that migration, they insisted that for every single row in the actor table that corresponded to what could in theory be the username of an account (as opposed to an IP address, for example) there was an actual account with that username. For cases where that wasn't the case, they reassigned the actor (and all edits associated with it) to "imported>(original username)"
- Hence, the edits on nostwiki (https://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PariS&action=history for example) are attributed to "imported>something".
- Hence, importing them to enwiki faithfully preserves the attribution to "imported>something".
- Each step of this sequence is reasonable in principle, but they pile up on top of each other to create a mess. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:36, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Nyttend: Indeed @Pppery:, thanks very much for the explanation. The only thing that I would add to that, and maybe you didn't want to mention this to complicate things Pppery, is that usernames (or pseudo-usernames as it were) whose old *_user_text field contained invalid modern usernames with either underlines, lower-case letters, or consecutive spaces, the most famous of which is probably Larry_Sanger (see this example), were not affected by this script and their contributions are mostly still inaccessible, which is filed as T2323; there are lists of those edits on enwiki at User:Nemo bis/Bug 323 revisions. When these edits are imported from somewhere like the Nostalgia Wikipedia, their usernames are adapted for the modern database (or normalised), so they can be imported from the Nostalgia Wikipedia using a transwiki import as is (like this example).
- I almost wonder whether it's worth temporarily (?) removing the Nostalgia Wikipedia as an import source for transwiki imports to reduce the chance of such snags. But maybe that'd be more trouble than it's worth ... and would be highly ironic because it's the main reason imports were enabled here in the first place. Graham87 (talk) 04:14, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- And yeah, I didn't talk about the invalid usernames case because it's not relevant to why the edits are being imported with "imported>" prefixed. And yea, I'd support removing nostwiki as an import source at this point. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:16, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery: People making such a configuration change would want (at least nominal) onwiki consensus before doing something like that, right? So I imagine a village pump discussion would be required? Even though the idea is more than a bit ugh ... Graham87 (talk) 04:24, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:24, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery: I'll think about it. Or if you want to start it, feel free. It might have more gravitas if I initiated it. I really don't think a full RFC would be necessary though, just something that's opened for a week or so for public comment and is closed by someone whose uninvolved. Graham87 (talk) 04:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery and Nyttend: I was about to start a village pump section (thinking that maybe an RFC might be OK, since it's the done thing these days) and then searched the transwiki import log for nost ... and had second thoughts. I wonder if I might be cutting off my nose to spite my face. I didn't realise quite how often I use the transwiki import feature to import edits from the Nostalgia Wikipedia ... and admittedly it is handy and more straightforward when I can do it that way, but having a feature that only one person can effectively use is more than a little weird. I wonder if the problem could be solved better by adding something to MediaWiki:Import-interwiki-text? It currently uses the default message of "editors' names will be preserved" but perhaps something like "editors' names will be preserved exactly as they are presented on the source wiki", with perhaps a note about the special case of the Nostalgia Wikipedia, wouldn't go astray. Importation from there – and importation in general – has always been a bit fraught. Graham87 (talk) 06:59, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you — both Graham and Peppery — for all those details. This is all new to me. Graham, let me check on one thing — if you import something from nost: with your rights, it doesn't have imported>? So if RFD decides to keep it, we'll see the correct usernames in there, rather than the ones as they look now? Nyttend (talk) 07:48, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Nyttend: Yes, exactly, because I'd manually fix the usernames in the XML before uploading it. Graham87 (talk) 07:50, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- Curious, why do you say that it's odd to have a feature that only one person can effectively use? Special:ListUsers/import mentions that User:Xaosflux also has this right. Nyttend (talk) 07:54, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Nyttend: My comment about a feature that only one person can effectively use referred to the ability to import Nostalgia Wikipedia edits using transwiki imports. Graham87 (talk) 07:57, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- Curious, why do you say that it's odd to have a feature that only one person can effectively use? Special:ListUsers/import mentions that User:Xaosflux also has this right. Nyttend (talk) 07:54, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Nyttend: Yes, exactly, because I'd manually fix the usernames in the XML before uploading it. Graham87 (talk) 07:50, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you — both Graham and Peppery — for all those details. This is all new to me. Graham, let me check on one thing — if you import something from nost: with your rights, it doesn't have imported>? So if RFD decides to keep it, we'll see the correct usernames in there, rather than the ones as they look now? Nyttend (talk) 07:48, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery and Nyttend: I was about to start a village pump section (thinking that maybe an RFC might be OK, since it's the done thing these days) and then searched the transwiki import log for nost ... and had second thoughts. I wonder if I might be cutting off my nose to spite my face. I didn't realise quite how often I use the transwiki import feature to import edits from the Nostalgia Wikipedia ... and admittedly it is handy and more straightforward when I can do it that way, but having a feature that only one person can effectively use is more than a little weird. I wonder if the problem could be solved better by adding something to MediaWiki:Import-interwiki-text? It currently uses the default message of "editors' names will be preserved" but perhaps something like "editors' names will be preserved exactly as they are presented on the source wiki", with perhaps a note about the special case of the Nostalgia Wikipedia, wouldn't go astray. Importation from there – and importation in general – has always been a bit fraught. Graham87 (talk) 06:59, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery: I'll think about it. Or if you want to start it, feel free. It might have more gravitas if I initiated it. I really don't think a full RFC would be necessary though, just something that's opened for a week or so for public comment and is closed by someone whose uninvolved. Graham87 (talk) 04:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:24, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Pppery: People making such a configuration change would want (at least nominal) onwiki consensus before doing something like that, right? So I imagine a village pump discussion would be required? Even though the idea is more than a bit ugh ... Graham87 (talk) 04:24, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- And yeah, I didn't talk about the invalid usernames case because it's not relevant to why the edits are being imported with "imported>" prefixed. And yea, I'd support removing nostwiki as an import source at this point. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:16, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- Transwiki importer is part of admin. As for the rest of your questions, here's a long explanation from the very beginning (some of this you may know already, I'm just being thorough)
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Hi Graham87; I've noticed some of your edits at "Intellectual disability" which you were editing a year or two ago; do you still have an interest in this topic to help move the article forward? ErnestKrause (talk) 17:49, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
- @ErnestKrause: Nope, I'm in a similar boat re that article to @Jpgordon:, who you also messaged about it. Back in my earlier days of editing Wikipedia I'd keep a proverbial eye on just about any article and my editing there was a side effect of that. We both began editing that article back before Wikipedia got semi-protection in late 2005, when watching pages like that was quite different from how it is now; in fact Jpgordon applied the first semi-protection to it, back when it was at the title "Mental retardation". Graham87 (talk) 02:47, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
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