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Under the Foreign policy section there is currently a subsection with regards to the "German question" but a section with regards to the equally important "Italian question" is lacking. Nonetheless, the Italian question was a very important part of the early part of Franz Josef's reign. It culminated in the Second War of Italian Independence against Piemont-Sardinia and the Second French Empire, where Franz Josef personally commanded the Austrian army at Solferino and after the loss of that battle he was forced to cede Lombardy to Piemont. After that battle he never commanded in the field again. Seven years later as a consequence of losing the Austro-Prussian War, and regardless of the Austrians winning at Custozza against the Prussian allied new Intalian Kingdom, he was obliged to cede the Veneto to the new Italian Kingdom. Methinks thus a new section should be introduced in the article with regards to this topic. -- fdewaele, 3 May 2020, 23:26.
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
-Oppose Unnecessary change. Useful for the reader to see that this is the Franz Joseph from the territorial designation. Maybe he is the primary topic but the reader won’t know that - they would have to scrutinize the article text to identify that they’ve arrived at the right Franz Joseph. Why put that hurdle in place to save 2 words from the title? DeCausa (talk) 15:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No consensus would mean no change to the status quo, i.e. WP:NCROY as currently written. It certainly seems very unlikely that the RfC will revert the status quo. Accordingly, I support this change. Rosbif73 (talk) 11:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I haven't quite reached Srnec's stage, but I now oppose almost all royal name moves, which go on endlessly. For extra clarity. There is no need for complete consistency here, and after 20 years we have nearly always got things right. Johnbod (talk) 03:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The use of the words "of Austria" serve a purpose in distinguishing him immediately from Franz Josef I of Liechtenstein, but, in the case of the Emperor, it is the use of a numeral which is inappropriate. The convention of giving numbers to sovereigns applies only after there is second sovereign of the same name. Thus Elizabeth Tudor was only referred to as Queen Elizabeth I after the accession of Elizabeth II in 1952, prior to that she was known as Queen Elizabeth.
As the had been no previous Austrian emperors called Franz Josef (and there have been none since!) the convention is not to add a number.
In languages other than English, the "first of his/her name" does have the "I" suffixed to their regnal name, but the Pope John Paul I was referred to that way, during his reign, even by some English-speakers (who should have known better) whether from ignorance, indifference or both when translating from the Italian or the Latin. Admittedly his reign lasted only 34 days, but, whilst he was still alive in terms of English-language usage it was incorrect, and, in essence implied that there was a Jean Paul II, which, in turn meant referring to the first of his name as though he was already dead! 80.47.127.217 (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I don't usually get involved in these royal title discussions, but came across this due to the Wikiproject Austria sorting. But if you wanted to argue for WP:COMMONNAME, then Emperor Franz Joseph (or natively Kaiser Franz Joseph) as article title beat "Franz Joseph I" (with or without "of Austria") out of the water and has done so for the last 150+ years per ngram.
So if a rename were to happen, personally I would have expected that to be in the title, because that's the name that he is known for in Europe, and Austria itself in particular, no one calls him "Franz Joseph I", everyone if they refer to the person call him "Kaiser Franz Joseph" or in English since this is en-wiki Emperor Franz Joseph (I guess we could add the I if it's relevant), which is why it's also so in the ngram I linked. I even had to do a double take at the article as I was surprised that this isn't in the first sentence as an alternative bolded name, given that it was so extremely prominent since he was an extremely well known person with this name, along with his spouse, Empress Elisabeth of Austria (which incidentally does have the Empress prefix as that was also her commonly referred to full name/title (aside from her popular nickname Sissi), where the lead sentence does call him by his most common full name ...from her marriage to Emperor Franz Joseph I... including the Emperor as it basically became part of his common vernacular name and is so to this day. Raladic (talk) 02:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The commonality omission of the numeral in his name is honestly quite surprising. Generally speaking, we use the numeral if it was in official use (e.g. like with Juan Carlos I), which in Franz Joseph's case it appears to have been. In any case, the only point that seems to be relatively widely accepted in NCROY is our avoidance of using "King/Queen" and "Emperor/Empress" in monarchs' titles when possible. estar8806 (talk) ★03:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Legally yes, he wore the I, but practically speaking, it is omitted in common vernacular as he was the only Emperor Franz Joseph. The German de-wiki explains this a bit more at de:Franz_Joseph_I.#Namen_und_Titel, basically it was just a custom that officially documents bearing any Austrian monarch do bear the Roman numeral to signify the enduring eternality, but in practical language, it doesn’t usually occur. Raladic (talk) 04:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: Relisted to give more time for the noted RfC to close, although it has been 14 days as of now and I am not sure if another week is enough - feel free to close this if you wish. ASUKITE17:51, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Oppose. Not this again. Oppose for the same reason as last time, per a couple of threads above this. There's got to be more useful things to be doing than this. DeCausa (talk) 13:51, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Per WP:SOVEREIGN, WP:CONCISE, and WP:COMMONNAME. Strong oppose removing the ordinal, although it may be more common it was part of his regnal name. Its only natural that "Franz Joseph" alone will be more common as writers won't repeatedly add the numeral in a biography for every reference. estar8806 (talk) ★17:27, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Just watched "Corsage", the recent biopic of Empress Elisabeth. FJ (as she calls him to one of her people) is shown removing his side whiskers in private and simply sporting a bushy moustache. I had no idea this was the case, or whether it was common in the 1860s and 1870s when men often worse their facial hair like this. Might be worth a brief mention. Paulturtle (talk) 01:33, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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