Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Current issues and requests archive 59

Syco

Excessive vandalism on Syco - please protect, if necessary. Thanks, Aranya (talk) 19:06, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done -Djsasso (talk) 19:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Hamuyi

The user is blocked indefinitely on enwiki with WP:CIR cited. Since the user has arrived they have created an article about an un-notable subject. Following the QD tag being placed, they then started an unneeded RfD for the article. I propose we implement WP:ONESTRIKE as it is evident that the user is still not competent enough for Wikipedia. There are also other issues I cannot mention in a public setting. --IWI (talk) 00:10, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Some examples include this article that was also created that had to be significantly cleaned up; this incorrect capitalisation; here where they seemed to not understand that the birds were in a different section, thus leading them to remove the whole section; and this message, which in my view is not the kind of message a user should give in most situations. I think this most likely fits into the ONESTRIKE category, considering the nature of the enwiki block. Thoughts? --IWI (talk) 05:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Going to block. I've kept an eye on their behaviour and it's clear the CIR concerns first brought up at enwiki are visible here. Hiàn (talk) 18:43, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I probably wouldn't have jumped to this so fast. Onestrike while it can be used for this. I would probably have AGF'd something like CIR for a bit longer because they could be trying to get better as opposed to a vandal who comes here and continues who clearly isn't. -Djsasso (talk) 19:44, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

They were warned about ONESTRIKE in June. Wouldn't exactly call that "jumping fast", if I am being totally honest. --IWI (talk) 19:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

And did almost no editing in the time between then and now in article space (most of his edits have come since yesterday). ONESTRIKE is a last resort for bad editors who clearly came here for no good reason. CIR on the other hand could very well be someone meaning well but just unable to fix. The solution here is to work with said person for a bit and show them how they could be better before dropping the hammer on them. It is very WP:BITEy to do it in this situation. We need to get people out of this mindset that has crept onto this wiki over the last year or so that simple wikipedia is a place where we play the game of wack-a-vandal or wack-a-user. It is very detrimental to this wiki. -Djsasso (talk) 19:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

 (change conflict) Why should our users have to clean up mess created by new editors? Some people are inherently not competent enough for Wikipedia, or at least not yet. Various attempts were made on enwiki to help the user, but they don't seem to learn from errors pointed out to them. Here, Infogapp advised him to not welcome users who have not edited yet, and he has continued. I am certain that this user is editing good faith, but this is not enough; competence is required also. This kind of disruption moves other editors away from writing articles and instead cleaning up the endless problems. This situation is exactly what onestrike is for. They were repeatedly warned on enwiki; why should we repeat such futility here? This is not an attack on the user, but merely a pragmatic approach that is ultimately good for the encyclopedia itself (the most important thing). What if some of the issues created never get fixed? I am also concerned about the growing problem of some administrators on the English Wikipedia sending disruptive editors here and treating our wiki as a place to redeem themselves. --IWI (talk) 20:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

It is not a growing problem, it has always been the case. Whether we like it or not that is how we get almost all of our editors. If we want to increase our editor base we learn to be more lenient when good faith is involved. Because if we can correct the issue, then our userbase increases by one, which for us is a very big deal. Secondly, since he was not banned at en.wiki ONESTRIKE technically does not apply to him, he was only indefinitely blocked, onestrike requires a community ban. Now I realize some admins (including myself) at times will say a block is onestrike when they haven't been banned on en.wiki we are technically wrong in doing so (though sockpuppeters are considered defacto banned which is where I see it happen most often). I should also point out while we shouldn't welcome editors who haven't edited here yet, that is in no way shape or form something a person should be blocked for. You need to use some common sense. Blocking is a last resort. -Djsasso (talk) 20:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Of course they shouldn't be blocked for that alone. In no way was I suggesting such a thing. --IWI (talk) 20:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I took some time to think over my action, and I think DJSasso has a point here that I clearly neglected to consider when I chose to prematurely bring down the banhammer. It was a bad call on my part and my initial comment here should have been very, very different. This wasn't a correct application of ONESTRIKE - and if any admins choose to overturn the block, it's not in my place to make any objections. I don't have much more to say other than my apologies for Hamuyi, and that I still have to continue to learn and do better. Hiàn (talk)_{/editing on mobile account.} 20:57, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

No worries, you were acting in good faith, my initial comment was mostly just made in a "I wouldn't have done it, but its done." sort of way. Was a totally understandable action to take. -Djsasso (talk) 21:07, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

You and Djsasso have two viewpoints, both of which are equally acceptable approaches. I tend to agree with Hiàn's view, but that's just me. --IWI (talk) 21:17, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

There's another option. Why not ask Hamuyi to leave? Say "We saw your work on Simple and some of us think you still are not competent enough to edit in English. Would you please go away without a formal block? That way, if your English skills improve in a few years, you won't have to go through all the drama of filing for an appeal, and you won't be at risk of a global ban the way you would if you were indeffed on two Wikis." Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Such messaging is contrary to the mission of the wiki. If CIR is really an issue, then a block/ban should be considered (as has been done here). We shouldn't be asking users to leave of their own accord for the purpose of avoiding the need to go through drama, whatever that means. It is worth noting that in the past (at least a few years back) we would typically consider mentorship arrangements before blocks/bans are even suggested, but the crunch in editors' resources has made it a less feasible course of action in recent times. Chenzw  Talk  04:12, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Moving a page

Why do I not have permission to move pages? ɑccelerɑte9868 (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

New users can't move pages, you need to be autoconfirmed. -Djsasso (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ɑccelerɑte9868: In the mean time you can ask here for any moves you want to do, and an autoconfirmed user or administrator can do it. --IWI (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Template move

Please move Template:Infobox F1 season to Template:F1 season per enwiki. The latter was created as a duplicate by mistake, and is currently a redirect. --IWI (talk) 22:28, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Fixed. It actually was created as a duplicate on purpose, the mistake was forgetting to redirect the old one. -Djsasso (talk) 12:06, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

That would not be an ideal way to do it. You should have updated Template:Infobox F1 season and moved it to Template:F1 season, over the duplicate. Now we have the page history of the template at the wrong location, like a copy-paste move. I had fixed the issue by transferring the data to the correct page, it just had to be moved over the redirect (that I could not delete) in order to preserve the history, which was not done. --IWI (talk) 21:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Move completed to preserve history as requested. Operator873^talkconnect 23:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

The entire purpose of doing it that way was to split the edit history into the two separate articles. The edit history was not lost, it remained on the redirect where it was intended to. This is often done when there was a template created here first and then a much newer version at a new name is brought over. It makes it so the edit history remains much more clear and not convoluted and often incorrect when a template is imported over an old one. (and you had not fixed it, you made a copy paste move without attribution yourself) -Djsasso (talk) 15:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think the user that created it intended to do that. Obviously when updating a template, you will update the existing page, not create a new one. An import has been done for attribution purposes. I copied so that the data would not be lost during a page move and an import could be done. Having the edit history for one template split between two pages doesn't make sense if it can be avoided. It is almost never a good thing to have split edit history for the same page, and I'm not sure why you would think otherwise. The user mistakenly made a duplicate; the way to fix it would be to delete it and import on the existing page instead. --IWI (talk) 15:53, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

I was the user that created it. I intended it. -Djsasso (talk) 15:55, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

I am nearly 100% certain that you did not create it. --IWI (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Then you would be wrong. I imported to the new name just the other day. You can look at my logs from that day and see what I was editing then if you wish. -Djsasso (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Look at the edit history. You imported over a person's new page. I can't see right now as it is deleted, but I know it was the case. In any case, it would have been better to move the existing template to the correct name and imported it there. It is totally illogical and wrong to create a whole new page for the same template, when the move function could so easily solve the issue. It is not a good reason to split edit histories; there is nothing confusing about a template update in the edit history. Regardless of who created it, they did so incorrectly. --IWI (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

That would be because you are looking at the two templates as the same template. Because it was at a new name, it was effectively a new template (until Operator merged them). The old history for the old name remained with it. And the history of the completely fresh template remained with it. Now the template is a mismash of the two. -Djsasso (talk) 16:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

They're the same template, just updated. You can see the difference here. It is similar enough to be considered the same template. As a result, splitting the page history is not needed. --IWI (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Well I am not going to keep arguing. Would make a bigger mess to unravel it now. But if you look the source it is completely different in your diff. Yes they obviously serve the same purpose and do the same thing. But the new template did not contain any of the code that the old edit history was attributing, thus it was being left behind at the old name where the old code had been that it was actually attributing. -Djsasso (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Well we clearly disagree on that one. Not an argument, just a discussion :) --IWI (talk) 16:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

 (change conflict)  I am not quite sure from where/what you determined that both versions of the template were "similar enough". They look neither visually similar nor syntactically similar. Chenzw  Talk  16:30, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

The parameters are similar, such as showing the champions. Sure, it's different (as the old version was outdated), but is fundamentally the same thing. Thus, should be on the same page. I'm willing to bet the old version can be found somewhere in the edit history of en:Template:F1 season. There is absolutley no reason to split this over two pages, and I'm surprised anyone could think that. --IWI (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll remind everyone here that this is Wikipedia which means if the action is disagreed with, it can be undone through polite, civil discussion. Operator873^talkconnect 15:13, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think anyone said it couldn't? Only issue here is that the undoing of it happened before that discussion had completed really. -Djsasso (talk) 18:29, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to note that I found both versions in the same page history on enwiki here. The new one is simply an updated version. The old one was a very outdated version of the same template. I can see why Operator took the action as it seemed like a pretty clear cut case. Still can't see any reasonable purpose to split this over two pages at all. Doing so should be avoided if at all possible when we are talking about the same template/page. --IWI (talk) 18:39, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, both came from the same template originally, but think of ours as a fork of the original. Once it came here it became its own thing at its own location. I forked a clean version of updated code to a new location so it wouldn't have all the extra unnecessary edit history of the old fork. What happens when you do it the way you are suggesting is that it sandwiches edits from here and there between each other which in many situations is completely fine and I would do in most situations. In situations where we have the opportunity to not have a confusing edit history because there is a completely different version of the template (as in the code isn't remotely similar) it becomes more prudent to go the route of having the shorter edit history without the mish mash of unnecessary edit history from both wikis. I don't disagree that they came from the same place, however they are separate forks. -Djsasso (talk) 19:12, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

For example the fact that both you and Tvx1 now have the exact same edit in a row has broken the attribution because both of your edits say +411. Technically that is supposed to not happen and we need to delete the whole template and restore the edits other than yours to fix it. We used to have an editor who used to go through making sure those errors were fixed but he stopped editing a number of years ago. So technically at this point the edit history of this template is broken as you can't see who the actual author of that change is. -Djsasso (talk) 19:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I see this whole situation as someone did what they thought was best. Another editor disagreed. A third editor (ie a 3rd opinion) agreed with the 2nd editor and made the change. As far as I'm aware, that is exactly how it's supposed to happen. Now is the point at which a more broad discussion should happen involving the community since it's apparently that big of a deal. Operator873^talkconnect 18:46, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

To be fair the discussion hadn't been commented on for four days before today, so I think most everyone had walked away already. -Djsasso (talk) 19:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

This is why using the import tool is not always ideal. Updating an existing template is a lot easier if just copy/pasted with attribution in edit summary to avoid conflicts. --IWI (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism at African Americans

African Americans has been repeatedly attacked by one or several vandals since August 5 - Diff of the last attack. The attacks are not really frequent, but maybe it would be a good idea to semi-protect the page for a limited period of time. The same pattern of vandalism occurs at Black people, but less frequently. --Rsk6400 (talk) 13:42, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I have added both pages to my watchlist. On Simple Wikipedia we generally don't protect a page unless the vandalism comes in big waves of multiple editors on the same day where an admin wouldn't be able to keep up with the reverting. Relatively speaking these pages have had little vandalism, if it picks up to the point people can't manage I will protect it. -Djsasso (talk) 14:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah agree. Not really frequent enough to warrant protection. It isn't like enwiki where we have hundreds of thousands viewing the page. Current abuse is manageable. --IWI (talk) 14:47, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. If those articles are on more watchlists, that's a good solution. --Rsk6400 (talk) 15:03, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

User "Chaipau" making disruptive edits in the page "Chutia kingdom".

The user named Chaipau is constantly removing sourced information from the "Rebellion" section of the page Chutia Kingdom, calling it irrelevant. ([1]). On another previous occasion he had tried to remove the section, stating that one of the sources is not reliable, when there were two other reliable sources available. Instead of simply removing the non-reliable source, he had tried to remove the entire section, just to push his own POV. ([2]). Request the admins to restore the sections and take necessary actions on the user.223.176.7.51 (talk) 18:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

This is simple English Wikipedia, we don't have that page. Let the EnWP admins handle it, you also reported there. --Eptalon (talk) 18:54, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Protection request

Please consider fully protecting Template:Main other. It is transcluded on over 121,000 pages so semi-protection isn’t really enough. --IWI (talk) 08:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I would say the same for Module:Check for unknown parameters, which is used on over 116,000 pages with no protection at all. --IWI (talk) 22:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Second pair of eyes on abuse filter 105

I have created filter 105 to mitigate edits coming from the Pakistan anon, who has been particularly active lately. Technically speaking, this filter exists to enforce a community guideline, and I am generally not a fan of such abuse filters. The volume of editing from the anon has been rather bad, though, so if the filter looks okay (and won't block every innocent edit), please move it to block mode with the warning message that I have specifically created for the filter. Chenzw  Talk  15:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4

Naleksuh (talk) 01:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Naleksuh, I think this should go on Simple talk and not here --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Such things like that are put on the noticeboard generally from a global perspective, but I see nothing wrong with doing both. Naleksuh (talk) 02:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok, got it --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Move Purple Mangosteen to Mangosteen

Per this, needs an admin. Thanks. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 13:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

en:User:Thegooduser/alternateaccounts

Can An Admin, Indef block, and remove TPA and Email for all those doppelgänger accounts on this wiki, thanks --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 22:29, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Were they originally yours or someone spoofing you? -Djsasso (talk) 12:11, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Djsasso These were made by me, I don't remember the password nor the email I set for them (If I ever did), Since I'm more active here now, might as well block them here too, to prevent any disruption here if they get compromised --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 23:18, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: Just noting that none of those appear to have been registered here. If someone logged in and visited simplewiki, an account would be automatically created. You could see whether the stewards would consider a self-requested global lock at meta:SRG (they did for my old account). --IWI (talk) 12:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I have a script that logs them out, but I don't know if it works or not, so safer to request global lock --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:58, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Twinkle issue

There is an issue when using Twinkle to report users to VIP. See this as an example. --IWI (talk) 14:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Seems to be working for me. Would need more info on what they were doing when it happened. -Djsasso (talk) 16:14, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh I managed to reproduce it now. Looks like its when you do it specifically from the contributions page. Will see if I can see how to fix it. -Djsasso (talk) 16:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Looks like a recent UI change broke the old way (admittedly a rather hackish one) of retrieving the username. I have applied the fix in morebits.js which uses the modern method of calling mw.config.get. Please remember to purge/bypass your browser cache for the new change to take effect (I didn't fully do so before testing, so you see that I ended up making a report with the issue too). Chenzw  Talk  16:47, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Good, thank you both :) --IWI (talk) 19:21, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

@Chenzw: I tried to report an IP range from the Contribs page and got this error again. --IWI (talk) 12:51, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Unprotect uncyclopedia

Plz68.197.157.236 (talk) 16:38, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

That page has had issues with vandalism so needs to remain protected. Feel free to create an account and in a few days you will be able to edit that page. -Djsasso (talk) 16:47, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

DannyS712

I am requesting that DannyS712's rights be removed due to repeated misuse of admin tools. His modus operandi consists of immediately blocking a user who has just made a a good-faith post to a talk page, usually without talk page access, so that the user has no chance to explain or question him. He then revdels the post, claiming "personal attack", thus hiding the evidence that the post was in fact good-faith. An example of this behavior can be found here. 154.64.219.15 (talk) 20:10, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I invite any admins that want to to review the example given. I'll note that the example given is not "good-faith", and even if it was, the single example given would not represent "repeated misuse". Since the IP that posted here is an open proxy, in violation of a global policy (m:No open proxies) I will be blocking it locally and requesting a global block, though I will leave talk page access enabled DannyS712 (talk) 20:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I reviewed the example, and my view is that this whole request was in bad faith. Although an admin blocking a user who makes a complaint about them could be seen as questionable, in this case I support the action. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:28, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm open to scrutiny, but the global policy is fairly clear, since "[open] proxies are often exploited for abusive purposes" DannyS712 (talk) 20:30, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

LTA using a proxy. I revoked TPA and extended the block. This needn't be discussed further per DENY. Operator873^talkconnect 20:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Unprotect MAcdonaldross talk page

so ips can talk to you and also thegooduser 63.143.237.91 (talk) 13:11, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Why no reply 63.143.237.91 (talk) 13:21, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Undo a vandalism move

A user hijacked article Ralph Breaks the Internet by moving it to E217 series. I am trying to undo that vandalism but can't revert the move to put things back the way they were as the redirect was overwritten by some other content preventing the move back. See revision history of pages involved to see what was done [3], [4]. This ended up making the edit history not match the content of the pages. User did same on enwiki but that was fixed fairly quickly there.Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:08, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes. In order to fix this the page currently at Ralph Breaks the Internet will need to be deleted and E217 series moved back. --IWI (talk) 00:17, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Auntof6 performed the move. --IWI (talk) 16:57, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism at Learned society and other places

85.255.235.54 (talk · contribs) has just done a dozen or so vandalism-only changes, nearly all have already been reverted. However, he also created Learned society, which should also be deleted quickly. --Rsk6400 (talk) 09:21, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done --Auntof6 (talk) 11:40, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

New multi-IP vandal, I'll call them "The Trumpet"

Ok, some IP vandal-who uses multiple IPs, mind you-has been going onto talk pages and doing topic titles like "TRUMP 2020". I figured you guys can handle it, as you guys always do.--Derpdart56 (talk) 15:33, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

RD1 request

Hi, can an admin RD1 the few copyvio versions. Thanks. Source is this. Thanks Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Yep, and per my email to the admin list. --IWI (talk) 16:18, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Operator873^talkconnect 16:28, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Page move for Yakutat City and Borough, Alaska

Please move Yakutat City and Borough, Alaska to Yakutat, Alaska, per enwiki. Destination page is a redirect with two revisions. Thanks, --IWI (talk) 12:26, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Can some admin help, or give me authorization to do a page swap beyond gloabl rollbackers remit to do the move. Thanks so much. :) Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Old name left as redirect. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

However, please note that it is not usually necessary to match our article names to enwiki's. I've seen a lot of such requests lately, and reasons should be given other than "to match enwiki". --Auntof6 (talk) 23:55, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Indeed, we shouldn't blanket match enwiki, this one I agree with IWI as the new name is sort of shorter --> simpler ? Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:24, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Auntof6 and Camouflaged Mirage: I find it to be a good rule of thumb to follow their broad consensus unless there is a specific reason not to, per the spirit of WP:FOLLOW. There are some situations in which we may differ – this doesn't seem to be one of them as Camouflaged Mirage said. --IWI (talk) 19:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Requests for page importation

• en:Template:IAFD studio/doc to Template:IAFD studio/doc
• en:Template:IAFD distributor/doc to Template:IAFD distributor/doc
• en:Template:Bollywood Hungama person/doc to Template:Bollywood Hungama person/doc
• en:Template:Adult Film Database name/doc to Template:Adult Film Database name/doc

--Saroj Uprety (talk) 05:54, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

P.S. Move Template:Infobox video game online service to Template:Infobox online service Saroj Uprety (talk) 07:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Saroj Uprety: Imports done. Why do you want the move done? The second one already redirects to the first, so pages referring to either would get the same result. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Because that template is not just for video game services, but for each service and to make it compatible with English Wikipedia. Saroj Uprety (talk) 01:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Saroj Uprety: Either name would work. We aren't required to match names with English Wikipedia. I'm not going to do the move, but I won't challenge it if another admin wants to do it. --Auntof6 (talk) 03:11, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Ok thanks and I meant that not all services are video game services. Like Apple TV+, it is not a video game service. Saroj Uprety (talk) 03:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Sir

I have a problem with this page on wikipedia about me. They are all a bunch of lies and i want it deleted. I can attach my I.D. card to see i am the real

person. Thank you

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pontonbluelagoon

> User:Pontonbluelagoon -

Hello, the page you cite was mostly edited by your account, it is your user page. When you are logged in, you can edit/replace it with another page. To get it deleted, simply replace it with a blank page, or place the template {{QD|U1}} at the top of the page. An admin will then delete the page.--Eptalon (talk) 11:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

RfD cleanup needed...

Hello all, there are some "overdue" RfDs that need closing. Since I nominated most, I'd prefer not to close them. Note: I might nevertherless close affected RfDs if they are a week overdue, and there's no comment as to why they weren't closed. So please go ahead and close some of the stale ones. Thank you. --Eptalon (talk) 14:11, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism at Human

The article Human has been targeted by different IPv6 addresses since Oct 15. Today, 2601:283:c202:7180:2c86:c9cd:732d:6a2a (talk · contribs) has already made 9 disruptive changes. --Rsk6400 (talk) 16:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Rangeblocked the /64, which was the only IP range responsible for the unexplained content removal. Chenzw  Talk  16:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Gadget

Can anyone install this gadget?--Saroj Uprety (talk) 02:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Please import en:Template:Bollywood Hungama movie/doc.--Saroj Uprety (talk) 11:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

en:Template:Disney+ movie/doc--Saroj Uprety (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Pages imported. I didn't set the gadget as enabled by default, so please enable it manually in your preferences. Chenzw  Talk  12:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Saroj Uprety (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Confirmed user

Is it possible for someone to add the "Confirmed" tag to my account since I have 1900 edits on en.Wiki but I have to enter captchas to make edits here & will only be autoconfirmed in 4 days time. I wish to keep editing but captchas get in the way. Thanks, Terasail^[Talk] 18:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

We don't typically do that as editing here is considered separate from what you have done on another wiki. -Djsasso (talk) 20:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Djsasso: If it is inhibiting someone from improving the encyclopedia, then I see no reason not to do it. They are clearly not someone who should require to fill out captchas. --IWI (talk) 20:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

But isn't inhibiting them, they can still edit. A little surprised they have had to enter captcha's more than once. Thought it only asked a user to do that once. -Djsasso (talk) 20:08, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

@Djsasso: I don't know why I just got it twice in a row and decided to ask here and simple talk about the confirmed permission. It isn't a big issue & I understand why it isn't given out. Thanks for the response. Terasail^[Talk] 20:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

If it keeps doing it let me know and if I am still around I will grant it because I don't think it should be doing it on every edit. Although it might do it once in awhile to make sure you are still a human, that I am not sure of, its been awhile since I have looked into it. -Djsasso (talk) 20:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Personal note

I have registered a new username and account, mainly because the security system was being difficult about my old registration. I will make edits under the new username only. This is just to let everyone know that I am the same person as user:Macdonald-ross, but now edits will be made under this username. Checkusers can identify my location. Editors may still call me Mac! Or 'Brick', I guess... Balham Brick (talk) 11:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Balham Brick: Please do not use this "new account" until we can authenticate your claim. If you're having authentication issues, I can reset your account's password. If you're having 2FA issues, contact cawikimedia.org for assistance. Operator873^talkconnect 14:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I had already done a few edits. The event which precipitated the problem was as follows. My account was blocked on the grounds that my password was inadequate. Nine times I offered more complex passwords, but to no avail. Then it seemed there was no alternative to creating a new account (you will realise that I know little about modern computer systems). Balham Brick (talk) 15:33, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Balham Brick: May I know how many characters you used for the password, can you try to have one at least 10 characters. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

(Non-Adminstrator Comment) We cannot use the Check user tool to identify your location... --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 16:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

My password for this account has 10 digits. Originally the Macdonald-ross account had 8 digits; at some stage I updated it to 10 digits. My record of this is less clear than I would like, obviously, but events in real life have not been helpful. Balham Brick (talk) 09:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

As long as you have met Special:PasswordPolicies, there is no way you will be blocked. The best way now is to send an email to cawikimedia.org. @Balham Brick:

@Thegooduser: CU can be used for possible compromise, and the IP geolocation tool can then be used to find the location. No comments if a CU is appropriate in this case.Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 09:33, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

My preference would be to edit under the original user name. I am still at a loss to know how or if that could be achieved. Balham Brick (talk) 11:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Balham Brick: The only way is to email Trust and Safety via the email we have given you. If there is a recovery email you can try email resets. Or else I think if you can find a trusted user to vouch for you, otherwise, sorry there seems no way. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:08, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Your suggestion worked, and I am back with my original handle. I now have a 10-character handle password. I see no reason to use the other account again. Thank you for your advice! Macdonald-ross (talk) 12:05, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

@Macdonald-ross Very glad to see you back Mac :) Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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Macdonald-ross Just a friendly reminder, that if you don't plan to ever use that account ever again, you should block it locally, and request a global lock, so in the case, that account does get compromised, they cannot say it's you. --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 00:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

A proposal

Hello Admins.

I am here to ask you for your input on an idea I had come up with. As you may or may not know, I am currently blocked on enwiki for sockpuppetry and vandalism. I am ashamed of these things, and I understand your lack of trust in me. However, I am in a unique position. Most sockpuppets, at least what I can see, are only made to cause infinite harm to the project. However, I would like you to to see how I have grown as a user, from simply blanking random pages, to stop others from causing harm. I would like to propose a way to help those who have grown return to the community in a positive manner. This would include them being unblocked, keeping tabs on them, and ensuring they are supporting this project. At the end of a defined period, they will be reviewed by an administrator or by consensus that would either unblock them for good (as long as they do not make any harmful edits), determine that they need more time with a user, or completely deny their return. I understand letting a user be unblocked could end badly, however, I also think it's the opportunity for them to show who they really want to be, supportive or not. Please let me know what you think. rollingbarrels (talk) 00:18, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like what we used to do for mentorship arrangements, a few years back then. Unfortunately, I am not sure if the editor numbers and activity will be able to support this program nowadays. Chenzw  Talk  12:55, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

(Non-Admin Comment) I'd be very happy to assist and support editors who were blocked as socks (those who have grown) to become a new & better editor. I'd be very happy to do a mentorship agreement if needed. --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:38, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Once again: Repeated vandalism at Human

Once again (cf. above, #Repeated vandalism at Human), the article Human has been targeted by different IPv6 addresses: Today (Nov 13) the address is 2601:283:c202:7180:86c0:efff:fed3:cf57 (talk · contribs), yesterday it was 2601:283:c202:7180:85be:6faf:c750:366b (talk · contribs). As far as I can see, they always remove bonobos from the list of apes closely related to humans. --Rsk6400 (talk) 16:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Non-admin comment: I think it need page proctection. Tbiw (talk) 10:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

In general we don't protect here unless completely necessary. In this case a range block has/will fix this situation so no need to block every anonymous editor. -Djsasso (talk) 16:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

en:Template:User zh-yue-3

If imported, would I be able to use that babel userbox here? --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 00:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: Yes. I just imported it and I was able to use it on my user page. (I didn't save it, though, since I don't know that language. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:45, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Auntof6! --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 00:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion to import glossary templates

Any thoughts on importing glossary templates from enwiki? For example: {{glossary}}, {{glossary end}}, {{glossary link}}, {{glossary link internal}}, {{term}}, and {{defn}}. (For all glossary templates see the category en:Category:Glossary templates). I can see them being fairly useful, particularly for embedded glossaries or wherever a topic cannot avoid defining certain terms. I'm interested to know if it's feasible. Kindly, Oeqtte (talk) 12:02, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Generally we bring over templates as they are used/needed. I can't really think of any articles here that have embedded glossaries. If someone creates an article that needs them they can bring them over. But generally being that we are Simple English Wikipedia you should be attempting to write such an article without the need for a glossary. -Djsasso (talk) 16:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your response! While yes it should be avoided where possible, it is also somewhat a fact of the matter that articles define certain terms. Two points from the Wikipedia:About page that I had in mind:

• things are a little different from the things the ordinary English Wikipedia does not do. For example, in the Simple English version it is more important to explain slang, idioms, and jargon.
• For detailed writing about science, politics, or religion, articles sometimes need more words, but the English must be simple. Sometimes, an article needs words not included in the Basic English combined wordlist, but it explains all the difficult words. Articles may also need some complex words because of the article names in the ordinary English Wikipedia, and to use normal words would make the article too simple. Articles on scientific topics might also need complex words.

I would also consider that without proper glossary formatting, embedded or unembedded glossaries should be avoided. There are already a small handful of stand-alone glossaries on Simple English Wikipedia, but they lack proper formatting. The result is that on any article where uncommon terms are unavoidable, terms that have their own pages can be linked to but other explanations of terms are hidden in body paragraphs. I would also add that since embedded glossaries can only fit a small number of entries, any article using one would be limiting itself to only the most essential uncommon terms. Cheers, Oeqtte (talk) 21:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

remove my wikipidia account

my account name is Imane Khaldi and I want to remove it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imane Khaldi (talk • contribs) 20:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Imane Khaldi: I'm sorry, Wikipedia accounts cannot be deleted/removed. You can have it renamed: see Wikipedia:Changing username for information on that. You might also want to read Wikipedia:Right to vanish if you plan to never edit again. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:36, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Import

Please import en:Template:Indian Rupee/doc. --Saroj Uprety (talk) 03:51, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

@Saroj Uprety:  Done --Auntof6 (talk) 08:39, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Malformed RFD

Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2020/Please review notability should be moved to Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2020/Souhardya_De and transcluded. Can't move as the destination page isn't trivial in history.Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:02, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Now seems creator had done a cut-paste move, need histmerge. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 17:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Racist vandalism at Black People

An IP has made a racist and obscene edit at Black people: diff. The same IP reverted immediately afterwards, but I'd still like to ask an admin to change the visibility in the page history. --Rsk6400 (talk) 08:19, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done Peterdownunder (talk) 11:07, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Eddie Van Halen

Vandalism immediately after release of protection, it's one IP for now, can monitor and block if needed but hoping some admin can protect again if deemed necessary as the reverting is counterproductive and is for someone who is recently dead, some respects should be shown (that's not a protection reason I know, but still). Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 14:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Only one instance of vandalism since the protection expired, so no action for now. I've added it to my watchlist. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:05, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Might want to reconsider now, given it is going on for a couple of days. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:55, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

View Source

Shouldn't it be change to "see code"? This is the Simple Wikipedia. --GeometryDashFan12 (talk) 15:14, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

This shouldn't be here, but rather WP:ST. I will say see is more complex than view, like we don't use "see also" but we use "related pages", I think view source seems easier to understand. @GeometryDashFan12 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Flood Flag for Hot Cat work please

I'm doing some redirect category stuff can an admin grant me this please so that way i don't flood the New changes area thanks! Derpdart56 (talk) 16:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Harassment by Dafdgasf

The user sent me an intimidating email threatening me to use my rollback and patroller flags to do I don't know what (I didn't understand what they meant). This is not the first time I have received such emails from this wiki. Such behaviour is not acceptable and must be sanctioned. Esteban16 (talk) 18:23, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Esteban16 would you mind forwarding the email to me? dannys712.enwiki@gmail.com - there are a few LTAs that send harassing emails, and if I can confirm its an LTA I'll block and request a lock (or a checkuser can check their ip...) DannyS712 (talk) 18:29, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Updating Simple Talk's header

In the header, under "Are you in the right place?", should "See WP:RFRB to request the rollback feature (which administrators can grant)." be changed to "See WP:RFP to request additional permissions (which administrators can grant). rollingbarrels (talk) 18:34, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

It is only meant to be the most common things on the list, users who would be requesting the sorts of permissions that are more advanced than rollback would likely already know where to do. That list is more for new users to the wiki. -Djsasso (talk) 20:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Something is being Reported and needs to be Removed from Wikipedia.

When searched on Google about 'Present caliph of Islam' There comes a Wikipedia page about 'Ahmadiyya caliphate' which has been reported by Many People because its Misleading information. I would not ask you to take the page down myself.. But i ask you to check the feedback of that page and see for yourself.

We can't chance what pages Google shows you when you do a search. -Djsasso (talk) 20:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Clalipha of Islam now

It's humble request when people search the who is the current caliph of Islam Wikipedia shows the masroor of ahmedia community it's not true please delete that wrong information he is not a proper Muslim as he doesn't agree to prophet Muhammad pbuh is the last messenger so at the moment no one is the current caliph of Muslim world — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.196.32 (talk • contribs)

Hello there, you are probably referring to the page Ahmadiyya Caliphate on English language Wikipedia: This is Simple English Wikipedia; the team of editors and administrators is different. The team of Simple English Wikipedia administrators cannot do much to change that article. As the page is protected, the standard procedure would be to leave a message on the talk page of the English Wikipedia article. --Eptalon (talk) 09:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

The Cellar

The Cellar in Arlington Heights Ill also had Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin play there just prior to thier demise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:245:4103:4c0:35cb:66b6:5506:2dac (talk • contribs)

Sock to block

Would someone block Shyamghar as a sock of Swarajmishra7. Shyamghar has been blocked on enwiki as a sock of Sahil9610. Swarajmishra7 is a sock of Shyamghar per the archives at enwiki. See also w:en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sahil9610. Doesn't need a CU, so not reporting at the requests for checkuser page. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk | contributons} 13:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure of whether you are supposed to notify users if they are reported here. I didn't see any banners or obvious templates to place, so if they need notifying could someone do that for me (in the correct way). Thanks in advance, Dreamy Jazz ^{talk | contributons} 13:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done. -Djsasso (talk) 14:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Pages created by blocked user Fliutbryusdgh

Fliutbryusdgh (talk · contribs) has been indef'ed. There are some strange pages recently created by them which I'd suggest to remove:

• Ministry of Defence which they created as a redirect to S.A.S..
• MOD (Marehan, Ogaden, Darawiish) which has no corresponding page on EN-Wiki and is not mentioned in en:Marehan.
• MOD as a disambiguation page with the preceding article as its primary target. EN also has en:MOD, but Marehan, Ogaden, Darawiish is not mentioned there.
• The Mod Squad as a redirect to Peggy Lipton who was an actress in that TV series. There is a longstanding link from Peggy Lipton to The Mod Squad, users following that link are now redirected to their starting point. --Rsk6400 (talk) 06:54, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

• I have created articles for the Ministry of Defence and Mod Squad articles so those are no longer an issue. And I changed the disambiguation page to be the same en.wiki. Will have to look into the other article to see if it is actually a thing. -Djsasso (talk) 12:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

That's a better solution than the one I proposed. Thanks. --Rsk6400 (talk) 13:29, 24 December 2020 (UTC)