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Introduction

The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

Any article currently on this list may be challenged. The discussion is open to the following rules:

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  1. Before being closed, a Level 5 proposal must:
    1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
    2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND
      For nominations made after 13:36, September 26, 2025, closure is acceptable 7 days after most recent vote that established a consensus to implement or fail (see below) or the most recent subsequent vote against this consensus.
    3. Have at least 4 participants if nominated before 20:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC).
  2. For a proposal to be implemented on the Level 5 list:
    1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
    2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.
  3. For a proposal to failed:
    1. It must not have over 60% support (see table); AND
    2. If nominated after 20:53, 20 May 2025 (UTC), it must have at least 2 oppose votes !votes.
  4. For proposed additions, the nominator should list (and possibly link to) at least one potential section in the level 5 vital articles list for the article to be added to. Supporters can also help in this regard.

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The following link represent all current Level 5 Vital articles that are classified as Society subjects:

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Philosophy and religion
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Culture
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Social studies

Language variants (set 2)

Add West African Pidgin English

The proposal to add African French made me to think this. West African Pidgin English has 75 million speakers over several countries. BBC World Service has broadcasted news on this language since 2017.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 17:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support, although maybe Nigerian Pidgin would be a better addition. ALittleClass (talk) 06:00, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Only one interwiki. Bluevestman (talk) 20:13, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Peninsular Spanish

The European form of Spanish. We currently list only 2 variants of Spanish (compared to 4 variants of French), when Spanish is the second most spoken native language in the world.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Bluevestman (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Rioplatense Spanish

The form of Spanish spoken in Argentina and Uruguay. The same justification as for Peninsular Spanish, we list only 2 variants of Spanish when French gets 4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Bluevestman (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Religion adds (set 2 of 2)

Add Liberation theology  5

PASSED
Added 5–0. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Very significant theological movement, first in the Catholic church relating to Latin America and later in a broadening context. Place under Christian theology  5 after it's added.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:36, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Bluevestman (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom. J947 ‡ edits 03:37, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion
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Add Confessing Church

An opposing Protestant church or movement to the Nazis during the Third Reich. Historically significant in German Protestantism. It’s key founding member Dietrich Bonhoeffer  4 is V4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 20:14, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add JD.com

Since 2023, it has been the largest Chinese retailer by revenue and it is currently the 15th largest Chinese company overall, ahead of Alibaba Group  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 09:00, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Xiaomi would be a more worthwhile addition, as a larger and arguably more notable company. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Feminist: it is not a larger company. Xiaomi's revenue is US$50.971 billion (2024) whereas JD.com's revenue is US$152.8 billion (2023). Sahaib (talk) 06:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Xiaomi is more than twice the size of JD by market capitalization. It also has more international operations with a broader scope (consumer electronics, including being the #2 smartphone maker in the world behind Apple Inc.  4) instead of the mostly e-commerce pure-play that is overshadowed by Alibaba Group  4 in China alone. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose per Feminist. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:42, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak oppose per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:53, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Corporatism

Corporatism is an political ideology that was common at various times in the past.

Support
  1. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:00, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Proletarian internationalism

An ideology of the Soviet Union and of communism in general.

Support
  1. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:07, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. One of the bases of the communist revolution. The Blue Rider 11:20, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add European political party

Type of Political party  3 found in the European Parliament  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Sahaib (talk) 18:33, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I've been thinking about this one for a while, and I've decided to oppose. This simply isn't different enough from a normal political party IMO. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:44, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Art and culture law  5 seems to be covering a number of relatively unrelated things which are already covered in other places, and only has 4 other language versions. Compared to other articles in this section, it also has fewer pageviews, around 10 per day. I think Legal professional privilege is more important. It has about 30 pageviews per day and 11 other language versions. I do see that Attorney–client privilege has 3 times as many pageviews, but that article is restricted to the USA. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 00:26, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator.
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 23:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support remove, oppose add Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Above, I nominated Journeyman  5 and On-the-job training  5. In addition to these, I think we should consider adding the following topics.

Add Tradesperson

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. From the article, "The terms "skilled worker," "craftsman," "artisan," and "tradesman" were used in senses that overlap". The article doesn't have many interwikis, nor does it make a well argued (referenced) case why it is not a synonym of the above. I'll support adding a better-known (IMHO) term "artisan" below (8 vs 42 interwikis). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Artisan  5

PASSED
Added 4-0 50.145.215.26 (talk) 03:20, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per my comment above. 42 interwikis, important historical concept. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. ALittleClass (talk) 00:44, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
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Add Master craftsman

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 14 interwikis, I am not convinced. Craftsman is a disambig and states that craftsman is just an experienced and succesfull artisan. The article itself tends to be more murky on that. I am wary of adding to many synonyms/overlapping and poorly defined concepts. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Machinist

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 14 interwikis. Is this profession vital at this level? I am not convinced. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
Signature

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Above, Incense  5 was nominated. This surprised me as incense is extremely important across cultures, and in multiple religions. I suspect this is Western bias, specifically American bias, because we don't tend to use incense quite as much as other cultures. I have gone through and found a few key pages related to incense that have not been included, and think they should be added.

Add Agarwood

A fragrant, dark and resinous wood used in incense, perfume, and small hand carvings.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Censer

From the lede "A censer, incense burner, perfume burner or pastille burner is a vessel made for burning incense or perfume in some solid form."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Frankincense

An aromatic resin used in incense and perfumes. Frankincense has been traded on the Somali and Arabian Peninsula for more than 5,000 years. Notable in Christianity as one of the gifts given to Jesus by Biblical Magi  5

  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 21:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Neutral
Discuss

Add Kōdō

From the lede, "the art of appreciating Japanese incense, and involves using incense within a structure of codified conduct."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Myrrh

From the lede "a gum-resin extracted from a few small, thorny tree species of the Commiphora genus, belonging to the Burseraceae family. Myrrh resin has been used throughout history in medicine, perfumery, and incenses." Notable in Christianity as one of the gifts given to Jesus by Biblical Magi  5

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 00:55, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. support  Carlwev  19:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Sandalwood

From the lede "unlike many other aromatic woods, they retain their fragrance for decades. Sandalwood oil is extracted from the woods. Sandalwood is often cited as one of the most expensive woods in the world. Both the wood and the oil produce a distinctive fragrance that has been highly valued for centuries. Consequently, some species of these slow-growing trees have suffered over-harvesting in the past."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 10:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 20:33, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Sandalwood oil

An essential oil obtained from the steam distillation of chips and billets cut from the heartwood of various species of sandalwood trees

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Sandalwood above is probably enough.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Too specific, can be covered by Sandalwood and Essential oil when they become VAs. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
  1. Note that we don't list Essential Oil ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Räucherkerze

From the lede "an incense cone burned at Christmas time in Germany and in the Czech Republic in order to create pleasant scents around the house." Important example of European incense tradition.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Doesn't seem all that important. I do note, however, that during December the article gets 135 views per day on the German Wikipedia (but only 25 per day on the English Wikipedia). 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:02, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Thurible

From the lede "a metal incense burner suspended from chains, in which incense is burned during worship services. It is used in Christian churches, including those of the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, Oriental Orthodox, Lutheran and Old Catholic denominations, as well as in some Continental Reformed, Presbyterian, Methodist and Anglican churches (with its use almost universal amongst Anglican churches of Anglo Catholic churchmanship)."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Pornographic film actor

Thinking about some vital professions and popular topics, both on Wikipedia and in general... yeah. 53 interwikis. Pornography  4 is V4. Actor  4 is V5, however (perhaps should be V4?). Worth discussing. Film director  5 and Film producer  5 probably should be V5-ed as well. Those are specific types of film-related occupations many folks recognize. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Porn is a fairly significant subject in culture and porn actors are widely discussed. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 04:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Asian art

See above. I just restored that article from a redirect from a poorly discussed bold merge years ago. It is obviously V5, likely V4 like African art  4 or European art discussed above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Discuss

Add Licentiate (degree)

A type of degree present in many countries. 30 interwikis. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove Islamic Azad University

IMHO Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Educational_institutions is way too bloated, with ~200 entries - I'd cut it to 100. Many entries there are strictly national. This one has 22 interwikis and no claim of significance or influence in the lead. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:33, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 23:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:33, 19 July 2025 (UTC)+[reply]
  4. Individual universities are broadly a bit overly represented. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:46, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

I haven't made up my mind yet, but is one of the largest comprehensive university systems in the world not a claim of significance? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@QuicoleJR It sounds nice but what does it mean? What is a "comprehensive systems of universities"? comprehensive system, comprehensive university system - all red links. There is the concept of a university system, but is that it? The claim is unreferenced. In the body there's a semi-referenced (no ref for that sentence, some refs a few sentences later that I did not check) claim that it "is the world's fifth-largest university", which seems to be confirmed by List of largest universities and university networks by enrollment. But #2, #3 and #4 from that list are not at V5, so either we add National University, Bangladesh, Anadolu University and California Community Colleges, or this is not a strong claim for vitality. And while a teriary education system that has million+ students sounds impressive, is it vital? I'd rather consider stuff like Higher education in the United States or (for this very case) Higher education in Iran (not a VA) rather than what is, effectively, a company. In fact, I may suggest a bit later to nuke a few or few dozen of unversities, and replace them with the "higher education in Fooland" articles. Or even Education in the United States. Come to think of it, IMHO we should be prioritizing such overview articles rather than the ones about individual schools (businesses); most of which are not very famous and are only know to locals and experts. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Fudan University

Chinese university. The only thing that makes it slightly vital is that it is a member of the C9 League, but I don't think that's enough, not yet - maybe once C9 League is as known as the Ivy League. For now, it is just a regional university that is unknown outside China. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:44, 2 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:33, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:54, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Based on age, enrollment and interwikis, this may be more notable than others up for removal pbp 15:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some important education articles (set 2 of 2)

Add Class (education)

Per my comments above, seems more vital than some of the suggestions discussed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. The concept of a class is important. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Aye. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose. Just lists a bunch of different meanings with no focus. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:57, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per EchoVanguardZ. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Classroom

Per my comments above, seems more vital than some of the suggestions discussed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Aye. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:20, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Course (education)  5

CLOSED
Article already listed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Per my comments above, seems more vital than some of the suggestions discussed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:56, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
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Add Horror and terror

Horror (emotion) redirects there. It may warrant renaming back to this, given interwikis and the fact that terror (emotion) redirects to Fear  3. Still, as horror (emotion), with 19 iwikis, this may round up our emotions/psychological states, and Fear, at V3, warrants such subtopics at V5.

Support
  1. As nominator.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:56, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems important enough. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:48, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Petrobras

One of the largest companies in the world.

Support
  1. as nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 16:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 16:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Pemex

One of the most important things in Mexican politics, since Mexico's economy has been historically dependent oil.

Support
  1. as nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 16:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Certainly Iostn (talk) 16:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Swap Pravachanasara with Kundakunda

I can't say I know much of anything about Jainism, but this Jain monk seems more vital than one of his works. Kundakunda, the monk has 35 daily views and 10 languages, compared to 5 daily views and 4 languages for Pravachanasara  5, the text. The text doesn't have many views in other languages either, and in Hindi it's a 3-sentence stub.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 03:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Niten Ichi-ryū

Niten Ichi-ryū is the Japanese Ko-ryū (ancient school) that transmits the sword style created by Miyamoto Musashi  4. The style is heavily influenced by his book The Book of Five Rings  5. Historically, this is a fairly big deal in Japan, and has influence on some of their modern pop culture media.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:21, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 19:11, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:27, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Japamala

Japamala are "a loop of prayer beads commonly used in Indian religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism." We include Rosary  5, I think we should include these.

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:21, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Arash

Classic hereoic figure of figure of Iranian mythology. 21 interwikis. Would be good to have more non-Western mythology heroes to counter systemic bias. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:37, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nom --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:37, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:43, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. This seems more suited for the society page. --209.133.7.1 (talk) 23:41, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Moved from the people discussion. --Bluevestman (talk) 02:20, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Traditionalist Catholicism and Sedevacantism

Significant Catholic movements born out of the Second Vatican Council  5

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  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 14:13, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. They both seem important enough to list. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:24, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support bothMakkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Old Catholic Church

Has more interwikis than the other two. Its schism was Vatican 1 rather than Vatican 2

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  1. pbp 01:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems pretty important, although we also need to add First Vatican Council. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:19, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. FYI based on statistics mentioned in the article Old Catholic churches have 115k followers between them, whereas there are an estimted 1 million TradCaths, interwikis can be explained by Old Catholic being a more unified self-defined group of churches rather than an umbrella term Iostn (talk) 10:04, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add F. W. Woolworth Company

It has long been closed, but back then, it was a pioneer of the five-and-dime business and was among the most successful retail companies back in the 20th century, having sold products internationally from store chains.

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  1. As nom. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:04, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. As vital as Sears  5-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:09, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Why aren't ethnicities listed?

For example, French people, Germans, Persians, Tamils, Igbo people are all not vital. Yet Baloch people are V5, and Kurds are V4. What is going on? Why aren't these listed? If there is no reason, I will create a batch nomination. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:22, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a Pandora's Box, Ethnicities are so diverse and ambiguous it is impossible to fully capture ALL ethnicities. Check Category:Ethnic groups to see how much it will explode the list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's a balancing act, IMO. In many cases, it makes much more sense to list an ethnicity than a region. In the African region articles you can see a lot of bare-boned proposed articles, whereas the appropriate ethnicity articles have much more information and indeed appear to cover a much more cohesive topic. J947 ‡ edits 06:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
List of contemporary ethnic groups is pretty extensive. If we add one, I'd say we need to add all of them, with some minor exceptions. Failing an all or nothing approach to ethnicities would open the door for accusations of encouraging literal supremacy (How can we say one ethnic group is vital, but not another?). GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:45, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I find the selection of ethnic groups listed here pretty odd as well. Bluevestman (talk) 21:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good call, @1ctinus:. Feel free to propose adds and removals. We should try to list the important ones. The examples above suggest we are not doing it well.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sutra proposals

Add Sutra

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Many individual sutras are listed (8, Lotus Sutra  5, Kama Sutra  5, Kama Sutra  5, Yulanpen Sutra  5, Kama Sutra  5, Tattvartha Sutra  5, and the Level 4 Diamond Sutra  4, there may be more without "Sutra" in the article title) so it makes sense to have the general article describing the form. 54 interwikis and listed under 7 wikiprojects.

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  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 07:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:35, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. While some of sutras are categorised in Philosophy and religion which is overquota, the overall concept probably fits in Arts.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:50, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Heart Sutra

Red Pine, one of the most popular translators of Buddhist and Taoist texts, claims "It has had the most profound and wide–reaching influence of any text in Buddhism." Article has 41 interwikis and lists ample cultural references to the sutra.

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  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 07:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Johnnie Runner (talk) 18:54, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Phobia Proposals (set 2 of 2)

Add Acrophobia  5

The fear of heights. One of the most common phobias, 57 interwikis.

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  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ALittleClass (talk) 01:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. AllyWithInfo (talk) 20:34, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Fear of flying

Also known as aerophobia. Also one of the most common phobias, 37 interwikis.

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  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:01, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Agoraphobia  5

The fear of unsafe situations. Another common phobia, 67 interwikis.

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  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ALittleClass (talk) 01:05, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:01, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:55, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Death anxiety

I wasn't gonna propose this, but as ALittleClass mentioned it in the claustrophobia proposal, I'm just gonna throw it out there. Also known as thanatophobia, 24 interwikis.

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  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add several military concepts

Military concepts are an important part of our society, for better or worse. We include 113 under the section "War and military," which for something as important as war and military seems like a dramatic under representation. These are all fairly basic concepts, and if you don't know what they are just check the article. These have had impacts on popular culture, the civilian lexicon, and influenced history pretty profoundly.

Add Defeat in detail

Also known as "divide and conquer"

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. I initially thought this was about the general concept, but this article is about a military tactic, one which I believe to be too specific. ALittleClass (talk) 04:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Counterattack  5

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"a tactic employed in response to an attack"

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. pbp 00:22, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Flanking maneuver  5

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"a movement of an armed force around an enemy force's side, or flank, to achieve an advantageous position over it."

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Massive oversight excluding this. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Force concentration

"the practice of concentrating a military force so as to bring to bear such overwhelming force against a portion of an enemy force that the disparity between the two forces alone acts as a force multiplier in favour of the concentrated forces."

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Too specific. ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Envelopment  5

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Strategic depth

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Too specific. ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add False flag  5

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While this is often the focus of a conspiracy theorists fantasy, they do happen.

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. pbp 00:23, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Blitzkrieg  5

Not going to bop around this one, I thought I was losing my mind when I saw this wasn't included. If this isn't something that we want to include, I don't know.

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. How is this not already listed. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. support  Carlwev  18:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. pbp 21:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. ALittleClass (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  7. AllyWithInfo (talk) 20:29, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  8. I think this is an easy choice. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Center of gravity (military)

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Maneuver warfare

Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter. - Winston Churchill (Allegedly)

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Shoot-and-scoot

Ukraine is using this quite a bit in the current conflict.

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Human wave attack  5

Russia is famous for using these during the World Wars.

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Shock and awe  5

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Bush might not have done 9/11, but in Iraq the military used Shock and Awe.

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Another drastic oversight. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Potemkin village

Not necessarily purely military but thought I'd throw it in.

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  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Not so sure, that this should be considered a vital topic. Makkool (talk) 18:33, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Not sure how often these are used. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Admittedly might be a bit more of a literary concept then real life but for example: Kijong-dong in North Korea. You can see it used in discussion periodically, often changed to "Potemkin Military" or "Potemkin Army", for example, Conclusion: A Potemkin Army Russia's Potemkin Army. Essentially, making it look like you have a big functional army when it is really a shell for display purposes only. Put it last because conceptually wasn't sure it belonged. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:22, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Philosophy additions

Add Self-reference

A very important, broad, yet well defined topic. Includes Fourth wall and Self-referential humor to name two examples in entertainment, but it also has much broader implications in philosophy and logic.

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  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 15:01, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Recursion

Once again, a very important, broad, multidisciplinary, yet well defined topic. Similar to self-reference, although this

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  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: Recursion (computer science)  5 is already listed. Still, recursion is important in other fields. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 06:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Emergence

The same thing I said about the previous two hold here. Related to Emergentism, Spontaneous order, Self-organization, Mass action (sociology), Superorganism and Emergent materialism, to name a few.

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  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Tabla

From the article: "It is frequently played in popular and folk music performances in India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka." The most important percussion instrument to Indian classical music  4, and an essential instrument in Eastern music generally. 57 interwikis.

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  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 04:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:11, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Altered state of consciousness

An important topic of Consciousness  3 and general concept in psychology. Covers Mysticism  4, Hypnosis  4, Recreational drug use  4, Psychedelic drug  5, Psychosis  4, and in some cases Meditation  3.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 21:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Reasonable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 10:38, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Mandeism Prunes

Mandaeism  5 is a VA5 religion currently has 8 subsection articles. I don't dispute it's vitality, but there's currently estimated to be around 60,000 and 70,000 members, so I do think it's been a bit overcovered, especially when comparing it to Haitian Vodou  4, which is VA4 but currently has no subsection.

Remove Right Ginza and Left Ginza

The two parts of the Ginza Rabba  5, the most important scripture of the religion. Both articles have ZERO interwikis, and given the small size of the religion I don't think we need to split the religious scripture.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Weak oppose. At the moment Ginza Rabba  5 doesn't describe the contents of the two Ginzas. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Drabsha

The symbol of the religion (looks like a banner). 1 interwiki.

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  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Mandi (Mandaeism)

A type of building that can serve as a Mandaean place of worship. 1 interwiki.

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  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Lwa

The central spirits of Haitian Vodou  4, they serve as intermediaries between humanity and Bondye, a god figure. There are over a thousand lwa, and one of the main ceremonies of the religion involves a person asking for a Lwa to possess them.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 00:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom Iostn (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. We list one lwa, Baron Samedi  5, but not the concept itself Makkool (talk) 18:32, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:54, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bookselling

We list Library, but not bookstores. This is an obvious add.

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  1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense. Bookstore redirects there for now. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:37, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Piotrus. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Spanish dollar and Dutch guilder

Both are no longer used, but were staples of Early modern history and were pioneering currencies of modern Globalization  3. The Spanish dollar was the world's first trading/reserve currency, and many modern currencies such as the U.S. dollar, Japanese yen and Chinese yuan are based (in some form or another) on the Spanish dollar. The Dutch guilder served as the world's reserve currency for over 100 years and complimented the unprecedented domination of the Dutch East India Company  4. Alongside the Pound sterling  4, these are ranked amongst the most prominent historical currencies. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nom. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Spanish dollar as important for the history of economics. The Blue Rider 14:59, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Deaf culture

Under Subcultures. The meaning of the capital D in "d/Deaf". Currently, nothing in this section pertains to anything that might be thought of as a "disability". This would be the most important such one because of how isolated it can be from the mainstream, even down to having separate schools and languages.

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  1. 3df (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Hermeticism

"a philosophical and religious tradition rooted in the teachings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus, a syncretic figure combining elements of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth." Easily one of the most important movements of western esotericism and still influential outside of it. We already list many people that are affiliated; Giordano Bruno  4 was a Hermetic, Marsilio Ficino  5 translated the Hermetica into Latin, and Paracelsus  4 was strongly influenced by it. (In terms of the usual metrics, 53 interwikis and ~1500 daily pageviews)

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  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Bluevestman (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Kibbutz

Culturally/historically important form of settlement in Israel

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. After learning more about the topic and how important it truely is, I support. JustTryingToBeSmart (talk) 20:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Bluevestman (talk) 02:00, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:08, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per above. Could go in Geography under settlment though. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:04, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Iostn (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove New York Times Co. v. Sullivan  5

We already list 10 SCOTUS decisions, and this and Griswold stand out as the weakest, it puts an extra burden for defamation of a public figure while still allowing it, that's it, most of the other decisions we list completely changed American society, we also already have Citizens United v. FEC  5 for a First Amendment decision, and if we wanted to add a second I think there are better choices.

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  1. As nominator. Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:00, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Somnewhat important for US, but not for the world. Just 6 interwikis. Weak support of removal. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:19, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:09, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add some record labels

The only record companies we have are EMI and T-Series. We definitely need to have more than that.

Add Sony Music, Universal Music Group, and Warner Music Group

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Let's start with the obvious. These companies are considered the "Big Three", and according to our record label page, they combined own 70% of all recorded music. They also, with some exceptions, are the parent companies of my other nominees.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. All three should absolutely be listed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. ALittleClass (talk) 22:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add RCA Records

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One of my two nominees that I legitimately think should be Level 4. Founded by Emile Berliner  4 (i.e. the guy who invented the Gramophone), it is one of the biggest record labels in the world, and has been since its founding. How big? Besides Berliner, I was able to link at least 72 other vital people to RCA and its previous incarnation the Victor Talking Machine Company, including Sergei Rachmaninoff  4, Arturo Toscanini  4, Arthur Rubinstein  4, Dolly Parton  4, Miriam Makeba  4, David Bowie  4, Elvis Presley  4, Enrico Caruso  4, Julie Andrews  4, John Philip Sousa  5, Glenn Miller  5, Perry Como  5, Tommy Dorsey  5, Tito Puente  5, Jimmy Rodgers, Sam Cooke  5, Jefferson Airplane  5, Hall & Oates  5, Harry Belafonte  5, Mario Lanza  5, Original Dixieland Jass Band  5, Carter Family  5, Carlos Gardel  5, The Strokes  5, and Vangelis  5. They are also responsible for introducing the 45rpm disc, which for a long time was the standard way to release a single. (Owned by Sony.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Columbia Records

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The other nominee that I think should be Level 4. The entire Sony Music company is derived from the oldest continuous operating label in the world. With such a long history, almost all of it being a huge titan in the industry, I was able to link at least 71 vital people to this label, including Aaron Copland  4, Igor Stravinsky  4, Pablo Casals  4, Leonard Bernstein  4, Glenn Gould  4, Miles Davis  4, Duke Ellington  4, Bob Dylan  4, Janis Joplin  4, Johnny Cash  4, Doris Day  4, Mahalia Jackson  5, Dave Brubeck  5, Tony Bennett  5, Mariah Carey  5, Johnny Mathis  5, Dinah Shore  5, Leonard Cohen  5, Simon & Garfunkel  5, Beyoncé  5, Earth, Wind & Fire  5, Bessie Smith  5, The Clash  5, Bruce Springsteen  5, and Nas  5. They are also directly responsible for the album era when they released the 33rpm LP.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Decca Records

What Universal Music Group originated from. Well, ultimately originated; there is a very complicated history regarding this label that I don't have time to fully discuss. Short answer, for a period there were two Decca Records, the original British label and its American offshoot, that operated independently from each other. But since Universal Music Group (American Decca) bought out PolyGram (British Decca), there is now a single Decca Records again. I was able to link at least 52 vital people to the either the British or American companies (figures includes those signed to MCA Records, which is what the American Decca renamed itself to), including Benjamin Britten  4, Kirsten Flagstad  5, Luciano Pavarotti  4, Joan Sutherland  4, Bing Crosby  4, The Rolling Stones  4, Buddy Holly  4, Judy Garland  4, Georg Solti  5, Sister Rosetta Tharpe  5, The Andrews Sisters  5, Elton John  5, Vera Lynn  5, Patsy Cline  5, Pete Seeger  5 (from his band The Weavers), Mantovani  5, Bill Monroe  5, Tom Petty  5, Louis Jordan  5, Bill Haley  5, Burl Ives  5, Eric B. & Rakim  5, Jimmy Dorsey  5, Lynyrd Skynyrd  5, and Blink-182  5.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. A staple – Aza24 (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Warner Records

Admittedly, just Warner Music is probably enough, but I was able to link at least 29 people so I think it's worth nominating. These people include Prince (musician)  4, Bill Cosby  4, Laurie Anderson  5, James Taylor  5, Faith Hill  5, Peter, Paul and Mary  5, Chaka Khan  5, Van Morrison  5, Fleetwood Mac  5, Grateful Dead  5, The Everly Brothers  5, Linkin Park  5, R.E.M.  5, Red Hot Chili Peppers  5, Paul Simon  5, A-ha  5, Steve Martin  5, Alice Cooper  5, Van Halen  5, Adam Sandler  5, Idina Menzel  5, Bonnie Raitt  5, Ronnie James Dio  5, Petula Clark  5, and Ladysmith Black Mambazo  5.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Warner Music is sufficient. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Atlantic Records

Founded by Ahmet Ertegun  5, since its purchase by Warner Music it has gone from a huge player in R&B music to the company's flagship labels. Besides Ertegun, I was able to link at least 25 other vital people (including those signed to Atco Records and Stax Records when Atlantic had a distribution deal with the latter). They are Ray Charles  4, Aretha Franklin  4, Led Zeppelin  4, George Carlin  4, Ornette Coleman  5, John Coltrane  4, Charles Mingus  5, Bobby Darin  5, Bruno Mars  5, Sean Paul  5, John Prine  5, Booker T. & the M.G.'s  5, Clyde McPhatter  5, Otis Redding  5, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young  5, Yes (band)  5, AC/DC  5, Pantera  5, Skrillex  5, Lil' Kim  5, Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller  5, Paramore  5, Bette Midler  5, and The Blues Brothers (John Belushi  5 and Dan Aykroyd  5).

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Island Records

Originally founded as a way to distribute Caribbean music, its involvement in the late 60s British rock scene led to it being one of the biggest independent record labels in the world. I was able to link 20 vital people to Island, including Bob Marley  4, Burning Spear  5, Jimmy Cliff  5, Toots and the Maytals  5, Nick Drake  5, Fairport Convention  5, Cat Stevens  5, King Sunny Adé  5, Salif Keita  5, Angélique Kidjo  5, Tom Waits  5, Amy Winehouse  5, Grace Jones  5, King Crimson  5, U2  5, PJ Harvey  5, The Killers  5, Fall Out Boy  5, Brian Eno  4, and Trevor Horn  5 (through his previous band The Buggles). (Owned by Universal.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Deutsche Grammophon

Designated classical label. Nominated this because I was able to link at least 19 vital people to DGG (including its subsidiary Archiv Produktion), including Pierre Boulez  4, Karlheinz Stockhausen  4, Herbert von Karajan  4, Plácido Domingo  4, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau  4, Oliver Knussen  5, Claudio Abbado  5, Karl Böhm  5, John Eliot Gardiner  5, Carlos Kleiber  5, Martha Argerich  5, Daniel Barenboim  5, Emil Gilels  5, Wilhelm Kempff  5, Lang Lang  5, Yundi  5, Krystian Zimerman  5, Anna Netrebko  5, and Hilary Hahn  5. Also, this was one of the labels that help form PolyGram, a huge record company in its own right until it got bought out.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Thi (talk) 12:04, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Major in classical music scene. The Blue Rider 14:56, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Epic Records

This is going to be the only nominee founded as a sub-label. I'll admit, the only reason I'm not combining the 19 vital people I was able to link to Epic with Columbia like I have for the other sub-labels is Michael Jackson  3. I want to include a label linked to a level 3 musician, and this was the best candidate. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven obviously predate recorded music, while I ultimately decided that the labels Louis Armstrong and The Beatles are associated with (Okeh and Parlophone/Apple) were not worthy enough to be discussed. Besides Michael, the other 18 are: Gloria Estefan  5, Delta Goodrem  5, Cyndi Lauper  5, Jennifer Lopez  5, George Michael  5, Shakira  5, George Jones  5, Tammy Wynette  5, Donovan  5, Ricardo Arjona  5, Sade (band)  5, Sly and the Family Stone  5, Luther Vandross  5, Stevie Ray Vaughan  5, Jeff Beck  5, Pearl Jam  5, Korn  5, and Jack Black  5 (via Tenacious D).

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. I don't think sublabels are sufficiently distinct from the big label. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Philips Records

The other label that helped form PolyGram. Including the sub-label Vertigo Records, I was able to link at least 17 vital people to Philips: Serge Gainsbourg  4, Brigitte Bardot  4, Claudio Arrau  5, Alfred Brendel  5, Mitsuko Uchida  5, Camarón de la Isla  5, Paco de Lucía  4, France Gall  5, Johnny Hallyday  5, Gilberto Gil  5, Caetano Veloso  5, Mercedes Sosa  5, Nina Simone  5, Dusty Springfield  5, Dire Straits  5, Demis Roussos  5, and Black Sabbath  4. (Fun fact: the company that would later be bought out by Philips was originally founded to distribute Decca material to the Netherlands, although it doesn't appear that Decca actually owned it.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Arista Records

Headed for a long time by Clive Davis  5, it is currently one of Sony's flagship labels. It also is responsible for exposing the Atlanta urban music scene to the world (via its subsidiary LaFace Records) and was technically involved in the East Coast–West Coast hip-hop rivalry (thanks to their initial joint-venture with Bad Boy Records). Including those signed to the aforementioned labels, I was able to link at least 16 other vital people to Arista: Anthony Braxton  5, Kenny G  5, Whitney Houston  5, Barry Manilow  5, Pink (singer)  5, Carry Underwood, Tony Braxton, TLC (group)  5, Usher (musician)  5, Avril Lavigne  5, Patti Smith  5, The Notorious B.I.G.  5, Outkast  5, Sean Combs  5, Alan Parsons  5 (through the The Alan Parsons Project), and Jennifer Hudson  5.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Oppose sublabels except for exceptions. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Capitol Records

Founded by Johnny Mercer  5, Capitol was one of the first major record company to operate on the West Coast. Besides Mercer, I was able to link at least 16 other vital people to what was once EMI's flagship label: The Beach Boys  4, Nat King Cole  5, Katy Perry  5, Garth Brooks  5, Glen Campbell  5, Merle Haggard  5, Yma Sumac  5, Joe Cocker  5, George Clinton (funk musician)  5 (just his solo work), Tina Turner  5, Wanda Jackson  5, Gene Vincent  5, Megadeth  5, Beastie Boys  5, MC Hammer  5, and Les Paul  5.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. It was only independent from 1942 to 1955. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Polydor Records

Throwing this in because I was able to link at least 16 vital people to them, and PolyGram is partially named after them: Teresa Tang, James Brown  4, Jimi Hendrix  4, Jean-Michel Jarre  5, Andrea Bocelli  5, Chick Corea  5, Sam Hui  5, Lara Fabian  5, Mylène Farmer  5, Zucchero Fornaciari  5, Fishmans, Eric Clapton  5, Bee Gees  5, The Who  5, The Cure  5, and Siouxsie and the Banshees  5.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Mercury Records

Founded in 1946, it quickly became a major label thanks to its use of alternative ways to promote their large quantity of music. Including those signed to EmArcy Records, I was able to link 16 vital people to Mercury: Charlie Parker  4, Clifford Brown  5, Max Roach  5, Sarah Vaughn, Patti Page  5, Shania Twain  5, Goran Bregović  5, Dinah Washington  5, Rod Stewart  5, Rush (band)  5, Bon Jovi  5, Def Leppard  5, New York Dolls  5, Kurtis Blow  5, and Nichols and May (Mike Nichols  5 and Elaine May  5).

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Interscope Records

The most recent of my nominees. Nominating this due to being one of Universal's flagship labels, and for its association with Dr. Dre  5's Death Row Records and Aftermath Entertainment. Besides Dre, I was able to link at least 15 other people to Interscope: Tupac Shakur  4, Black Eyed Peas  5, Lana Del Rey  5, Billie Eilish  5, Lady Gaga  5, Enrique Iglesias  5, Gwen Stefani  5, T.A.T.u.  5, Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails  5, 50 Cent  5, Eminem  4, Kendrick Lamar  5, Snoop Dogg  5, and Mark Wahlberg  5 (via Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch).

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Motown

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Designated R&B label. Founded by Berry Gordy  5, its famous blend of pop and soul during the 60s led the company to be the biggest Black-owned label in the world. Besides Gordy (and MJ), I was able to link at least 14 other vital people to Motown: Marvin Gaye  4, Diana Ross  5 and The Supremes  4, Stevie Wonder  4, The Jackson 5  5, Lionel Richie  5, Erykah Badu  5, Boyz II Men  5, Gladys Knight & the Pips  5, James Jamerson  5, Rick James  5, Vice President Smokey Robinson  5 and The Miracles  5, and The Temptations  5. (Owned by Universal.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support because it probably has the best brand recognition and identity of any music label. ALittleClass (talk) 22:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. @TonyTheTiger: Johnnie Runner (talk) 18:23, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. I forgot to save the edit. I thought I had voted last night.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:40, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Wait. I did vote yesterday. There seem to be 2 discussions.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:43, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Virgin Records

The start of Richard Branson  5's Virgin Group  5 empire. Beside Branson, I was able to link at least 14 other vital people to Virgin: Phil Collins  5, Spice Girls  5, Shaggy (musician)  5, Carlos Vives  5, Manu Chao  5, Janet Jackson  5, Lenny Kravitz  5, The Smashing Pumpkins  5, Sex Pistols  5, Daft Punk  5, David Guetta  5, Frankie Knuckles  5, Massive Attack  5, and Tangerine Dream  5. (Sold to EMI).

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support, although Virgin Group itself is only V5. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add A&M Records

Like Island, Motown, and Virgin, A&M was one of those independent labels that was so big that it was simply seen as a mainstream, major company. I was able to link at least 14 other vital people to A&M: Danny Elfman  5 (through his band Oingo Boingo), Amy Grant  5, The Carpenters  5, Maroon 5  5, Phil Ochs  5, Falco (musician)  5, Billy Preston  5, Billy Preston  5, Bryan Adams  5, The Police  5 (as well as Sting (musician)  5's solo career), Burt Bacharach  5, Quincy Jones  5, Carole King  5, and Liza Minnelli  5. (Owned by Universal.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Reprise Records

Tried to avoid the vanity labels, but then again I wouldn't really consider Reprise a vanity label despite being founded by Frank Sinatra  4. Since it got purchased by Warner in 1963, it has at various points been a flagship label with a slightly counterculture bent, as evidenced by eight of at least 11 other vital people I was able to link: Joni Mitchell  4, Richard Pryor  4, Enya  5, Dean Martin  5, Gram Parsons  5, Gordon Lightfoot  5, Akina Nakamori  5, Neil Young  5, Green Day  5, My Chemical Romance  5, and Sammy Davis Jr.  5

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Melodiya

Nominated this for diversity. This was the main state-owned label for the Soviet Union, so naturally I was able to link at least 11 vital people to it: Sviatoslav Richter  4, Vladimir Vysotsky  4, Yevgeny Mravinsky  5, Grigory Sokolov  5, Sergei Lemeshev  5, David Oistrakh  5, Eduard Khil  5, Valery Leontiev  5, Muslim Magomayev (musician)  5, Alla Pugacheva  5, and Sofia Rotaru  5.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Elektra Records

Originally founded as a folk label, the success of its classical budget sub-label Nonesuch Records allowed the company to become a major player in the psychedelic rock scene. Including those signed to Nonesuch, I was able to link at least 11 other vital people to Elektra: John Adams (composer)  5, Philip Glass  4, Björk  5, Carly Simon  5, Tracy Chapman  5, Youssou N'Dour  5, The Doors  4, Metallica  4, Mötley Crüe  5, The Stooges  5, and Missy Elliott  5. (Owned by Warner.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Verve Records

Founded by Norman Granz  5, a lot of critically acclaimed albums like Ella Fitzgerald Sings the Cole Porter Song Book, Getz/Gilberto, Freak Out!, and The Velvet Underground & Nico were recorded for this label. Besides Granz, I was able to link at least 10 other vital people to Verve: Ella Fitzgerald  4, Billie Holiday  4, Stan Getz  5, Dizzy Gillespie  5, Oscar Peterson  5, Ben Webster  5, Lester Young  5, The Velvet Underground  5, Frank Zappa  5, and David Foster  5. (Owned by Universal.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Blue Note Records

Probably the most critically acclaimed label in history. Well known for their modern jazz recordings and their highly praised album covers. I was able to link at least 10 other vital people to Blue Note: Sidney Bechet  5, Art Blakey  5, Dexter Gordon  5, Elvin Jones  5, Thelonious Monk  5, Bud Powell  5, Wayne Shorter  5, Horace Silver  5, Jimmy Smith (musician)  5, and Herbie Hancock  5. (Once owned by EMI.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Geffen Records

Founded by David Geffen  5, it has been a very big rock label from the start. Including those signed to DGC Records, I was able to link at least 9 other people to Geffen: Kitarō  5, Cher  5, Beck  5, Hole (band)  5, Nirvana (band)  4, Sonic Youth  5, Weezer  5, Guns N' Roses  5, and Aerosmith  5. (Owned by Universal.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add SM Entertainment

Another diversity nomination. Founded by Lee Soo-man  5, it is currently the largest K-pop label. Besides Lee, I was able to link at least 9 other vital people to SM: BoA  5, Exo  5, Girls' Generation  5, H.O.T.  5, Red Velvet (group)  5, S.E.S. (group)  5, Shinee  5, Super Junior  5, and TVXQ  5.

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Def Jam Recordings

Designated hip-hop label. Founded by Rick Rubin  5 and Russell Simmons  5, it is by far the biggest label that primarily focuses on rap music. Besides those two, I was able to link at least 9 other vital people to Def Jam: Jay-Z  5, LL Cool J  5, Public Enemy  5, Slick Rick  5, Kanye West  5, Justin Bieber  5, Rihanna  5, and Slayer  5. (Owned by Universal.)

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  1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Sun Records (not OP)

Another important record label. The article states that "the music of many Sun Records musicians helped lay part of the foundation of late 20th-century rock and roll and influenced many younger musicians, including the Beatles." Elvis Presley  4, Roy Orbison  5, Jerry Lee Lewis  5, Carl Perkins  5 and Johnny Cash  4 made their first records under this label.

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  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:04, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Changes to Economy of major countries / regions

Following #Add Culture of major countries, here are suggestions for economy tweaks. Comparing Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Culture_by_region (30 entries) and [[2]] (33 entries), there are some discrepancies - such as, no regions in economy. Now, not everything should be mirrored (arguably, some countries are culturally significant, while their economies are of little importance to the world or even their regions; and vice versa). Here are my suggestions for changes, starting with adding economies by regions (continents) - it makes little sense to have VA for Culture of Africa, for example, but not Economy of Africa. Other than that, at this point I only have one suggestion for country-level addition. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Economy of Africa

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nom.
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Add Economy of Asia

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nom.
Oppose
Discuss

Add Economy of Europe

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.
Oppose
Discuss

Add Economy of North America

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.
Oppose
Discuss

Add Economy of South America

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.
Oppose
Discuss

Add Economy of Oceania

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. Although yeah, how often do you hear anyone talk of Economy of Oceania? If this doesn't pass, however, we should consider whether Culture of Oceania  5 is really vital. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.
Oppose
Discuss

Add Economy of Poland

Major European country. We list Culture of Poland  5. Arguably as important as economies of many countries we list (Argentina, Australia, South Korea, Thailand, Turkey). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.
Oppose
  1. Oppose. Not a fan of "______ of <country>" articles unless we have all countries on the same level. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:05, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @GeogSage To be clear: you realize we list Economy of Argentina, Australia, South Korea, Thailand, Turkey and 33 others at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Politics_and_economics#Economy_by_country? Anyway, as discussing Poland at V3 was of interest to more folks, includin some talking about its economy, I'll ping the participants: @Lazman321, LaukkuTheGreit, QuicoleJR, Aszx5000, Carlwev, and NegativeMP1: . I'll also note that per discussion there, "Poland is the world's 20th largest economy", so it's puzzling it is not in our list of 30+ national economies here. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:29, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Would support removing them before adding more. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:38, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add hammam

Also known as the Turkish bath. Don't feel like I need to explain why this Islamic bathing institution needs to be included.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 23:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Invoice

Common type of bill, especially in accounting.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. OF course. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Move Fire safety

I don't know where to list Fire safety  5 (probably somewhere on Technology), but Legal codes is definitely the wrong place. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Transcendentalism

One of the first philosophical movements to originate from the United States, and a pretty big one at that considering that we have Ralph Waldo Emerson  4 and Henry David Thoreau  4 at Level 4.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 19:44, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 19:46, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 20:22, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Anthroposophy

Seems like a big new religious movement. We got Rudolf Steiner  5 already.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Move Genre

Genre  5 is listed on Culture > Mass media, but would prefer to list it on Arts. This applies even more to Western (genre)  4.

Support
  1. As nominator Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes logical sense, and Genre should arguably go up to VA4. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:35, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely. In university, you'll hear more about genre in literary studies than in communication studies or journalism. Makkool (talk) 16:26, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Chakra

Really important concept in a bunch of buddhist and hindu traditions, and also newer religious practices.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 20:49, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. This is also an important concept in modern popular media/culture, as it is often referenced. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Bluevestman (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Sadhu

Do we have any Hindu cleric titles on here? If not, this could be a good start.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add minister (Christianity)

Don't think we have generic cleric titles for Christianity on here either.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yep. Rather synonymous with Pastor but Pastor isn't listed either. 204.195.97.109 (talk) 03:34, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add masquerade ball

Well known European party.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 18:48, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Historically important. The Blue Rider 14:53, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Baal

Technically just a title to refer to a god, but it is often to refer to Hadad (choosing Baal because that article has more interwikis). Went through literal demonization when Yahweh became the sole God for the Jews, and now he's viewed as a demon named Beelzebub. Rated high in a lot of WikiProjects.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 21:50, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Human nature

Everyone can agree that this article is sufficiently broad enough to be included, so the main possible concern is that the article must self-destruct by being too broad or otherwise poorly defined (hence, why Everything  5 is only VA5 despite its impressive scope). But this is not the case here, as the article specifically collects perspectives over history about how humans are psychologically/spiritually, apart from the subjective influences of a specific culture.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 01:54, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:30, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Sex-selective abortion

The practice of aborting a specific gender, almost always a female fetus. It's estimated that there are now tens of millions of "missing women" due to this practice [3], especially in eastern countries like India and China, and this has had wide societal ramifications.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 19:02, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Abortion  3 is VA3 and this is a sufficiently impactful subtopic. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:01, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. V5 surely. Major social issue. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:41, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Discipline

"The self-control that is gained by requiring that rules or orders be obeyed, and the ability to keep working at something that is difficult". This is something that is admired and valued by a large chunk of people globally, it's arguably the main thing that impacts how successful your life is. There's a huge swath of media and industries/services that are designed to help people improve this trait.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 19:47, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  23:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:19, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Cogito, ergo sum

World-famous philosophical phrase/concept. I hadn't nominated this earlier due to quota concerns, but now the relevant page's quota has been increased. I think Epistemology concepts is a solid place to add this.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:53, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not too different from Occam's razor  4 and Is–ought problem  4 in terms of simple philosophical statements. ALittleClass (talk) 02:11, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per both above. J947 ‡ edits 03:32, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Of course, famous. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:14, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

What if I abruptly riposte with a selection like White Horse Dialogue? Descartes's dualism and skepticism are both satisfactorily represented in VAspace imo. Remsense 🌈 论 11:56, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Remsense I would support such an addition. ALittleClass (talk) 04:50, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Divide and conquer

Refers to the strategy used by people to gain or maintain power by dividing the populous (so that they don't form a cohesive singular group that rebels, for example).

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 04:30, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. V5 concept. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per above, however I will note that Defeat in detail was nominated before this, and is likely to pass as well. Both are important from a cultural perspecitve though IMO. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:57, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Loanword

"a word at least partly assimilated from one language into another language" This happens very commonly across languages.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 18:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important enough to be V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:34, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. [Copied from a nomination containing this as a proposal] Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Philanthropy

Private initiatives for the public good.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 19:03, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2.  Carlwev  06:52, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:23, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important enough for V5, sure. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:34, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Winemaking

Brewing  4 is VA4 and I think the importance and historical impact of wine is at a similar level as beer.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agreed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:35, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3.  Carlwev  15:18, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. 96.65.201.225 (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. Both this and brewing belong in technology. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:59, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add New Year's Eve

This seems more important than New Year's Day  4. It has more interwikis (80 vs 55). To me this seems more important than New Year  4 although interwikis gives a different result.

Support
  1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. pbp 02:21, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Anomie

Support
  1. Concept created by Émile Durkheim  4, describing the breakdown of moral values. 96.79.100.209 (talk) 16:25, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Concept appears often enough in sociology discussions, merits V5 placement. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:36, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

Add Settler colonialism

Support
  1. The type of colonialism where migrants settle and take over the land. 96.79.100.209 (talk) 16:25, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 22:57, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose as its most well known case is of the US and Manifest destiny  5 already covers it. The Blue Rider 14:49, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Independence

This wouldn't look out of place at level 4, or even level 3 at a push, I'm sure it's at least level 5. At the moment we list things that look like they could a subtopic of independence like Independence referendum before independence itself. The article exists in 119 languages if I count correct, and has 1.7 million page views in last 10 years. [4] In the general area of law and politics we list things like Law of Cuba, Law of Poland, Law of Afghanistan which exist in one, four and two other languages, the concept of independence seams at least as important as those concepts, if not more. There is some overlap with liberty but that is level 3 at the moment, and many level 5 articles have some overlap with level 3 concepts, especially in society and politics.

Support
  1. as nom.  Carlwev  21:18, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:32, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:17, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Facepalm time. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Autonomy

Again wouldn't look out of place at higher levels, but must be at least level 5. Concept of an individual, group or state allowed or granted freedom to make their decisions about their own lives and actions. Seems equal or higher than many other articles listed in level 5 in the same area. Exists in 73 languages, and 2.6 million views since 2015 [5]

  1. as nom.  Carlwev  21:18, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Was going to suggest this, albeit I do think the article could be better structured. ALittleClass (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:18, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. V5, of course. V4, hmmm. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:37, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Historically black colleges and universities

How did we forget to add the concept of HBCUs to list. Ouch…

Support
  1. As nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:17, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:18, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. U.S. centric, but still an important topic. Weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Because its US-centric topic of little relevance to the rest of the world? From the sociological perspective, I'd consider Residential segregation in the United States earlier, although Racism in the United States should be added first. That might even be V4. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:32, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Lolita fashion  5

A rather niche subculture that should be removed. This is one of my own additions from years back. We've been trimming sub-cultures, but it seems this has been left in the dark.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 32 interwikis, sys-bias area (fashion), and arguably popculture important. I'd keep it. I don't recall any trimming of subcultures - links plz? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:41, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Anime and manga fandom was also up for removal; which was my main motivation to nominate this. Also, because the article says that it "has waned in Japan as of the 2010s as alternative fashions fell in popularity" Makkool (talk) 13:44, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I missed it. I'd have strongly opposed removal of such a major subculture, I am glad it stayed. IMHO we should add more such topics, IMHO they are much more relevant than - for example - some ethnic groups nobody ever heard about except a few anthropologists and locals (see your nom below). Please don't take it the wrong way - I just have a different view here on what's important/vital. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose per Piotrus. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:02, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Makassar people  5

Lowest amount of page views in the Ethnology section.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:42, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I am not convinced minor groups like this merit V5. What makes it important? Do tell. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:45, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. More ethnic groups should be listed, but this isn't one of the best candidates. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. More, not fewer, ethnic groups should be listed, and this one is pretty interesting. 50.173.56.99 (talk) 02:15, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add racism by country

We can likely add more, although I'll start with just a few. Feel free to add more, but with justification. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Racism in the United States

When people talk about regional racism, the US one is arguably the most often mentioned, internationnally too. We have polenty of its subtopics at V5 and likely higher. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Racism  3 is Level 3. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:29, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. ALittleClass (talk) 06:41, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Category:Racism by country lists 44 pages and 89 subcategories. I don't much care for the "______ of country" articles as is, because every time we include another set we open the door for adding the articles for EVERY country to the list. The three examples chosen seem a bit random as well. We could include Racism in Russia, Racism in France, and Racism in the United Kingdom if we're listing out the UN Security council, but throwing Germany into the mix opens the door for literally every other country. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per GeogSage. We have too many X by country articles as of now, and "racism by country" doesn't feel like a vital type of article to include. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose for a different reason, this feels like a way of using the project to declare "X country is really racist". Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:55, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    No, we are declaring that the problem of racism in country X is more vital than in others. Nobody outside Poland cares about racism in Poland; the entire world talks about racism in the USA. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:02, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We may roll in different circles, however many people I know talk about the racism in Eastern European countries. The United States is VERY diverse, so there are many instances of racism and discrimination. More ethnically homogenous countries can be shockingly racist when an outsider shows up. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:01, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Moved to oppose per above. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:16, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Discuss

Add Racism in Germany

Led to Holocaust etc. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Racism  3 is Level 3 and The Holocaust  4 is Level 4. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:29, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Per above oppostion. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above opposition. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose for a different reason, this feels like a way of using the project to declare "X country is really racist". Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:55, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Moved to oppose per above. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:16, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Racism in China

China is big and more and more important. Its discrimination policides affects tens of millions (ex. Persecution of Uyghurs in China  5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Racism  3 is Level 3. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ALittleClass (talk) 06:42, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Per above oppostion. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above opposition. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose for a different reason, this feels like a way of using the project to declare "X country is really racist". Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:55, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Moved to oppose per above. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:16, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Singles' Day  5

An unofficial holiday in China, and according to the article: "the largest physical retail and online shopping day in the world". I don't think unofficial holidays should have a vital article slot. Note, we don't list Black Friday.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 14:19, 24 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'd in fact support a swap with Black Friday (shopping) (correct link, above you linked to a disambig). Much more famous/culturally and internationally significant. (Support removal if not enough support for swap, but might as well consider this, folks!). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I would support the swap with Black Friday. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:57, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Miracle  5

Important religion topic.

Support
  1. As nom. 50.145.215.26 (talk) 02:59, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ALittleClass (talk) 06:42, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support  Carlwev  09:48, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Thi (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Doh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:58, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:01, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Execution methods should be listed together

I think Hanging  5 and Decapitation  5 should be moved under Capital punishment  4 along with Execution by firing squad  5, even though the first two can also be methods of suicide, and decapitation could occur by accident (although that is very rare). 50.145.215.26 (talk) 03:31, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Electric chair  5, Guillotine  5 and Gallows  5, which are listed on the STEM page, while Pillory is not an execution device but it's a punishment device so it should likely be on the same page. 50.145.215.26 (talk) 04:11, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed that before. No strong feelings either way - it's the Vital problem of one dimensional classification. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:58, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Gay men

The male equivalent of a Lesbian  5. Gay men often have had distinct cultures throughout history, and the repercussions and social stigmas were and are often different compared to lesbians.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:48, 25 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:09, 26 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makes sense. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:57, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Letter (message) and Postcard

Historically important ways of communicating.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:54, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Gum arabic and Hookah

Historically and culturally important. Traded around the world for centuries (see Incense trade route  5)

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agreed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:56, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Luxury goods  5

This classification overlaps with economics, art history, military expansion, fashion, etc.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Important economics concept. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:53, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:45, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Bluevestman (talk) 20:26, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Commodity  5

An important concept in economics, business, finance, and world trade.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Important economics concept. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:56, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. ALittleClass (talk) 20:12, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Banditry  5

Historically important form of organized crime. Still common in parts of the world.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Fair point. Modern version of of this, Gang  4, is V4... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:56, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:46, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Bluevestman (talk) 20:28, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Cultural diffusion  5 and Loanword

Important in anthropology and linguistics, respectively.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agreed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:54, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. ALittleClass (talk) 20:08, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Note Loanword is passing 4:0 a bit above already. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:30, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Khoekhoe

The Khoekhoe people, along with the San people  4, are considered the earliest inhabitants of Southern Africa and are genetically distinct from other human populations. They contrast with most of southern and central Africa which is inhabited by Bantu peoples  4. Unlike the Bantu groups (such as Zulu people  4, Xhosa people, and Tswana people) who were traditionally farmers, the Khoekhoe were traditionally herders and the San were hunter-gatherers. (Maybe they still are today, I'm not sure). I considered proposing Khoisan instead, which comprises both Khoekhoe and San people  4, but some of what I've read suggests the differences between these two groups are larger than their similarities. I noticed that Khoisan languages  4 is also at level 4.

Support
  1. As nom. 96.89.118.93 (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 20:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Merchant

Very old occupation and one of the main members of the Bourgeoisie  5. Famous merchants include Marco Polo  4, Khadija bint Khuwaylid  4, Jakob Fugger  4, John Jacob Astor  4, and technically Sam Walton  4.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 20:38, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vital. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:02, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:28, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Amulet and Incantation

Important concepts in magic, folklore, and religion. The latter covers "spell, charm, enchantment, or bewitchery"

Support
  1. As nominator. To philosophy and religion. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:20, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Historically important, and still now. Superstition  4 is V4. -Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:31, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
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Add Madrasa

A name for learning institutions of the Arabic world. 86 interwikis

Support
  1. As nominator. To culture---> Education. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:20, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 96.89.118.93 (talk) 17:52, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Tempo

Or beats per minute. Important concept in music.

Support
  1. As nominator. To Arts---> Music basics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:20, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. 96.89.118.93 (talk) 17:52, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. ALittleClass (talk) 19:52, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:41, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Ok. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:30, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Cultural universal

This article is linked multiple times from hugely important articles like Human  1 and Culture  2, and it's easy to see why. This is just one of the main subjects that comes up from an anthropological perspective. (also note that this article is in need of immediate improvement)

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 20:04, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. 96.89.118.93 (talk) 20:20, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Pattern

Admittedly a little abstract, but probably within the top 50000 articles for an encyclopedia to have.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 20:06, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:40, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important. But perhaps more of a STEM topic? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:12, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support  Carlwev  12:25, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add some film studios

Inspired by BlueVestMan's proposals for record labels, I think we should include film studios to the same extent. Here are some important studios that we lack for the moment. Not all of them need to be added, but I'd like to have a scale of different kinds of proposals so we can have a comprehensive discussion of what should be considered vital. ChatGPT helped me choose some of these, like I don't know much of anything about Bollywood, which is a very important film market globally.

Add Walt Disney Studios (division)

A fairly uncontroversial add. Currently owns eight of the top ten highest-grossing films of all time worldwide, and several of the highest-grossing film franchises of all time. We already list the parent company The Walt Disney Company at Level 4, and the subsidiaries 20th Century Studios and Pixar at Level 5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Sony Pictures

Another uncontroversial add. Walt Disney Studios and Sony Pictures are the only two studios that we don't list from the "Big Five" film studios. I think it should be included, if we added Sony's music division at Level 5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Columbia Pictures

The articles states that "It is one of the leading film studios in the world, and was one of the so-called "Little Three" among the eight major film studios of Hollywood's Golden Age. Today, it has become the world's third largest major film studio" (under Sony).

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Lionsgate Films

Canadian studio, which the article states is "the largest and most successful mini-major film studio in North America."

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add New Line Cinema

Important mini-major studio, the producer of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. (under Warner Bros.)

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add DreamWorks Pictures

Important mini-major studio, that the artice states "has produced or distributed more than ten films with box-office grosses of more than $100 million each." (under Universal)

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Only important work is the Transformers film series. Would much rather add their animated counterpart, DreamWorks Animation, which has many more important works, including the vital-listed Shrek  5 and its sequels. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:12, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add A24

Undoubtedly the most important independent film studio

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Toho

The most significant Japanese film studio, which the article states "has released the majority of the highest-grossing Japanese films". Currently we only list Studio Ghibli from Japan at level 5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Gaumont (company)

Arguably the most imporant French film studio. Historically important, as it was founded in 1895, and is the oldest extant film company in the world.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Pathé

Another important French studio. Historically important as well, as it is the second oldest studio still active (founded in 1896) and was the world's largest film production company in the early 1900s. Invented the news reel.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Canal+ S.A.

Important French media company, and major film financier, which the articles states is "participating in the financing of the vast majority of films produced in France." Their film production branch StudioCanal is along with Gaumont and Pathé one of the major film studios in France.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bavaria Film

Significant German film studio, according to the article "one of Europe's largest film production companies, and one of the leading production and distribution companies" in Germany.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Constantin Film

Another significant German film studio. Has produced "36 of the 100 most successful German films", and co-produces American Hollywood films.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Babelsberg Studio

German studio that is the oldest large-scale film studio in the world, producing films since 1912. Also, one of Europe's largest film studios in the size of their production lot. Produces German films, and also offers facilities to American feature films.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Eon Productions

Very important British film studios, that produces the James Bond franchise.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Working Title Films

Very successful British film studio. Produced hit films like Four Weddings and a Funeral, Bean, Notting Hill and several Coen brothers films. (under Universal)

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add BBC Film

Another successfull British film studio, which the article states "has produced or co-produced some of the most successful British films of recent years"

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Dharma Productions

Significant Indian film studio, which has produced several high-grossing Hindi-language film since 1980.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Yash Raj Films

Another major Indian film studio, which has produced several high-grossing Hindi-language films.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Reliance Entertainment

Major Indian film distribution and financing company, that also co-produces and invests in American films.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Red Chillies Entertainment

Another major Bollywood studio, which has produced several high-grossing films in India.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add CJ Entertainment

Significant South-Korean film studio, which has produced the films of famous directors Park Chan-wook and Bong Joon Ho, including the Academy Award for Best Picture winner Parasite.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Shaw Brothers Studio

Was the largest film studio from Hong Kong, world-famous for its kung fu films. Articles states that it produced "the most popular and significant Chinese-language films of the period."

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Revenge  5

This has been an important human motivation since the dawn of history.

Support
  1. As nom. 166.140.230.92 (talk) 18:25, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. How long will the "doh" moments continue? Vendetta is a disambig, for the record. Feud should be considered as well, will nom it below. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:11, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3.  Carlwev  12:27, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. creeper ALittleClass (talk) 08:08, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Feud

Important concept. See above (for nom of revenge).

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:11, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  14:28, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Athletics (physical culture)

Seems V5-level concept. Don't confuse with Sport of athletics  3 (which IMHO should be renamed, see RM on the talk of that page...). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:22, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:22, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Social stigma

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 08:09, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:28, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. The Blue Rider 14:40, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important in sociology. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:42, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Awami League

Historically and currently, arguably the most important political party in Bangladesh. Notable in its role in the Liberation War.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. A total of 24 political parties are currently listed, including one in Armenia, which is quite a small country, and one in Angola which is not an influential country so this makes a lot of sense. 96.65.201.225 (talk) 03:00, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. But I'd consider a swap with the Angolese one mentioned above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:44, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Acoustic guitar

Important musical instrument. We list Electric guitar  4 so this might be added as well.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:35, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. 172.56.170.142 (talk) 20:28, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. ALittleClass (talk) 01:32, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Culture war

Some of the related subjects such as Woke were rejected earlier, but I think the main concept should be listed. The article not only covers the current conflicts but also discusses the idea in a more general and timeless manner (which makes History not quite appropriate as its listing location).

I think WP:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Social studies#Issues is a good place to put it.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:22, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Important cultural and sociological topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:10, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not limited to recent wokiness. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:42, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Wholesaling

"the sale of goods or merchandise to retailers; to industrial, commercial, institutional or other professional business users". Retail  3 is defined in the article in contrast to this. As an industry, tens of trillions in USD probably flows globally from this each year.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 01:52, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:32, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Egyptology

Study of Ancient Egypt. Has 75 interwikis.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. support  Carlwev  14:15, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Value theory

Also called axiology. It can broadly be defined as the study of values (such as what we should value and individuals and as a society, Ethics  2 is sometimes considered a subset of axiology). As an accepted and broad classification of philosophy it could arguably go up to VA3 with articles like Ontology  3, I frankly have no idea how this was missed.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:47, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Déjà vu

[6] 9.7 million page views and 65 languages. Seems of interest to many. In the areas of psychology, neuroscience, pseudoscience, paranormal and fantasy/fiction. This has been documented for at least 150 years. I imagine this must be level 5 worthy, is of some interest to genuine science, and possibly more interest to alternative science, or pseudoscience. But we list many concepts not supported by mainstream science, and this probably does have real science behind it anyway.

Support
  1. As nom.  Carlwev  14:36, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Of course. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:30, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Could've sworn I already saw this get nominated... ALittleClass (talk) 21:48, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:26, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. I could have sworn I voted on this already. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:43, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Ghost town

At its broadest definition, an abandoned Human settlement  2. Developements that have been recently constructed but are not occupied, such as those in China, are also often considered ghost towns.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 21:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 21:56, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:24, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I can see it at V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:44, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Berne Convention

Major treaty that standardized Copyright  4 requirements across the world. 181 countries are party to this agreement, which is the reason authors no longer have to register their copyrights in most countries. It is a very important treaty and should be listed. 41 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Law.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:55, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

US higher education swaps

I am glad to see the trim of U.S. higher education institutions, as the former list was certainly too big. However, the list we're left with has some odd choices and is weighted toward sports powerhouses over other categories. I think we could remedy this by removing some of the less vital entries and swapping them for some notable groups:

Remove Tuskegee University. A historically black college and university that has only 2,500 students and is most notable for its association with the Tuskegee Syphilis Study (which we don't list, although maybe we should; that's a conversation for elsewhere). It's not the most prominent HBCU (that'd be Howard University) and could be covered by my proposed addition below.

Remove Florida State University. Less vital than the University of Florida, which has both more students and a better academic reputation. We removed UF during the trim, so should remove FSU as well.

Remove University of Texas at Austin. A large university, but sufficiently covered by University of Texas System, which we list.

In their place, I propose we:

Add Seven Sisters (colleges). The historical women's school equivalent to the Ivy League (which was all-male). Encompasses the top women's colleges, including Wellesley College and Barnard College.

Add Claremont Colleges. The consortium has a lion's share of the top-ranked liberal arts colleges. The schools are highly integrated on adjacent campuses, which gives the consortium itself more significance than other less active consortia/groups.

Add Historically black colleges and universities. An important part of U.S. education history. Encompasses more than 100 institutions, and often talked about as a collective. I propose nesting it under University, where it'd sit alongside Institute of technology.

There are other changes I'd like to see, but starting with this. Sdkb talk 21:45, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Sdkb talk 21:45, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support all, better than what's currently listed. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 18:22, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support removals. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:15, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose additions. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:15, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
@Sdkb Please add your vote to Historically black colleges and universities above so we can get it passed :) -1ctinus📝🗨 15:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Mind–body problem

This is a central question in philosophy. How is this not listed?

Support
  1. As nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 15:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ALittleClass (talk) 05:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Embalming

The practice is used to preserve a dead body for a funeral. Used to preserve ancient Egyptian Mummy  4, among others. Would go under Philosophy and religion, "Death" header. (IMO that section should be on the culture page, as "afterlife" is clearly a religious topic but the "death" section is really not.)

Support
  1. As nom. 96.95.142.29 (talk) 21:57, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  07:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:06, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Polymath

A person who has advanced knowledge in a very broad range of different fields, often marked by using it interdisciplinarily. Many of the Level 3 figures are polymaths. Of our 111 Level 3 figures, I count 10 being described as a "polymath" in the lead sentence.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 03:34, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:06, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Isolationism

The political philosophy advocating to engage in as little international relations as possible, especially wars; in some sense the opposite of Globalism  5.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 05:24, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:06, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makes sense. Historically important, and, sadly, still today. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:45, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important political ideology. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:44, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-english grammar proposals

One of the tenets of this list is to have a worldwide focus without intrinsic bias, and this extends to languages. Given that English grammar  5 is currently Level 4 (which is still respectable to me, as English is the most spoken language worldwide by a comfortable margin, although not by native speakers). From this, it seems that some other widely-spoken languages can have the articles dedicated to their language at VA5. These proposals comprise the top 5 most spoken languages according to our own list. If this proposal fails, I'll probably nominate English grammar for removal at VA4.

Add Chinese grammar

Easily the language with the most native speakers with approximately 1 billion, and the only other language to have 1 billion speakers other than English.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 05:40, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:04, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think it's enough to have the article for the language, and one for the grammar wouldn't be needed. I would support removing English grammar on Level 4, and I have proposed removing Latin grammar  5 below. Makkool (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Hindustani grammar

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 05:40, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. See above Makkool (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Spanish grammar

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 05:40, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. See above Makkool (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Arabic grammar

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 05:40, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. See above Makkool (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Hermeneutics  5

An important tradition in continental philosophy.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:34, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support. I had thought that we already listed it, but apparently I had mixed this up with Heuristic  5. Makkool (talk) 18:51, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Potentially VA4. J947 ‡ edits 22:44, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. ALittleClass (talk) 03:37, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove VMware  5

The article states that "VMware was the first commercially successful company to virtualize the x86 architecture." Otherwise it doesn't seem vital compared to the other computing companies we list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:49, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We need more removals, and this is historical footnote at best, of very little enduring significance. We will be cutting down a lot of computer topics in decades to come, as they become very unimportant. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:46, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove KDE  5

I think it's enough we list Free Software Foundation, when it comes to free software communities.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:49, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Free software communities have similar motivations to Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean this is vital. I'm not seeing it. 96.65.201.225 (talk) 03:04, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:02, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Latin grammar  5

FAILED
Not removed 2-3. Makkool (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I think it's enough to have the article for the language, and one for the grammar wouldn't be needed.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:02, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose; being the basis for all Romance languages and yet the grammar is, I believe, more complex than any of them so it was simplified in various ways since antiquity; and study of Latin grammar was very common for educated people in western Europe for centuries. 96.65.201.225 (talk) 03:03, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per IP; Latin  3 was the lingua franca in Europe for centuries.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:19, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Anon makes a good point (second in particular). Although was it just grammar or language in general? Weak oppose. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:38, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Add common gestures

Some where proposed above instead of the failed facepalm (as more common/vital). Fair. Let's vote them in (or not). Note: bowing and salute were mentioned as not on the list, but are (at least now). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Shrug

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss


Add Nod (gesture)

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss


Add Waving

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss


Add Head shake

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add V sign

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss


Add The finger or Obscene gesture

Or both.... but probably one will be enough. Do we want the most famous one or the group? I lean towards just the finger, the others in the article seem much less famous.

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss


Add Hand clasping

Not mentioned before (as will be my other suggestions that follow). Common in prayer, for example. Worth discussing.

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Arm folding

Pretty common.

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss


Add Eye-rolling

What we do when we see more gaps in vital :)

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Beckoning sign

I'd rather list broader beckoning but that's not even a redirect.

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Curtsy

Same as above. We list Bowing  5 etc.

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Throat clearing

The article is mostly about biological behavior, of interest to me here is the tiny section on Paralanguage which likely should be developed.

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Chiefdom

An important concept in legal and political anthropology. It is traditionally viewed as an "intermediate stage" between a Tribe  4 and a State (polity)  3. Common in parts of the world where state control is limited.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:10, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. I disagree with the concept of soceity going through "stages," but this is a form of human organization. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:50, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Clapping

We list Applause so this one is a good addition.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:32, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove varieties of English

These varieties are not that important. I think the only varieties worth keeping are American and British English.

African-American Vernacular English

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:40, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This one is definitely too Americentric. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:19, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'd like to keep this one. It's linguistically and culturally significant and has several unique features. Though hip hop and other popular culture it has global awareness. Makkool (talk) 06:17, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I would actually argue that AAVE/Ebonics is intertwined with African/Black American culture (language is literally the building block of a culture), which has influenced global pop culture as a whole (hip-hop, jazz, DnB, etc.). This one should stay. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 01:00, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Australian English

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:40, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 06:17, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian English

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:40, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 06:17, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indian English

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:40, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Has a large number of speakers, but linguistically it doesn't have any special significance. Makkool (talk) 06:17, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. India has the largest population of English speakers in the world, so I'd like to keep this one. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:18, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. J947 ‡ edits 02:02, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

South African English

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:40, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 06:17, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Dehumanization

An obviously important form of Discrimination  3 with tons of historical and modern-day importance. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Discrimination, WikiProject Psychology, and WikiProject Sociology.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:08, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add gaucho

South American equivalent, in both occupation and status as an icon, of the Cowboy  5.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 22:36, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems very important. 50 interwikis. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 00:07, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add dervish

Member of a Sufi fraternity. Has 65 interwikis.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 20:16, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'm not sure we need this, when we already list Mevlevi Order  5, where whirling dervish is redirected. Makkool (talk) 21:42, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove some professions

Remove Watchmaker  5

Doesn't seem vital, and only 8 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. This has major historic significance, particuarlly in relation to navigation and cartography. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Receptionist  5

Not one of the most vital professions to list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Profession is more important then individual biographies we list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Groundskeeping  5

Groundskeeper redirects here. Not a vital profession, plus the article is currently quite short and has only 3 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Profession is more important then individual biographies we list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Pawnbroker  5

Not one of the most vital professions. We would have less vital finance articles to remove first, but I'm considering this purely as a profession.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Profession is more important then individual biographies we list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Flight attendant  5

Not sure if we need this. Aircraft pilot  5 might be enough for aviation. Or should we list Ground crew as well?

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Diamondarmorstev (talk) 00:05, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Profession is more important then individual biographies we list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Herald  5

Only some ceremonial importance today.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Profession is more important then individual biographies we list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Executioner  5

Not important to list as a profession. It's enough we have Capital punishment  4 as a concept.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Profession is more important then individual biographies we list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Advocate  5

A word used for "legal professional" in some countries. No need to list this separately from Lawyer  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Profession is more important then individual biographies we list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Attorney at law  5

Like "advocate", "attorney" is only a word used for Lawyer  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Profession is more important then individual biographies we list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Jurist  5

Like the two previous proposals, "jurist" is just a word for legal scholar or legal professional in different countries. We shouldn't use slots to include overlaping terms when we could just list Lawyer  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Profession is more important then individual biographies we list. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:50, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:39, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add utopian socialism

First form of Socialism  3.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 19:42, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Shawarma

Popular food originating in the middle east that has spread around the world.

Support
  1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 07:02, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Animal Liberation Front

International decentralized animal rights movement which originated in the UK. Their alleged use of violence and later designation as a domestic terrorist group by the United States and the United Kingdom has led to debate among the animal rights movement over the use of violent acts.

Support
  1. As nom. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 12:28, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Feminist movement

JpTheNotSoSuperior noticed that we are missing this. We have LGBTQ movements  5, so we should definitely also include this too.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Aromanticism

Asexuality  4 is listed at V4, so it makes sense to list this as well.

Support
  1. As nom. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 22:52, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Generation Beta

The generation currently being born, we already list every other generation from the 1880s onward. Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:36, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:36, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Population pyramid of the European Union 2016
  1. With a few exceptions, the idea of generational cohorts is hokum. It is mostly a continum, and the attempt to divide them up introduces all sorts of problems. The excpetions to this are the baby boomers and the demographic echo caused by them having children that is the millenials. The post WWII boom in children being born combined with decreased infant mortality caused a disruption in many countries population pyramids that stands out (The "boom"). This is the exception, most of human history is a continum where one year is more or less the same as previous and subsequent. The generations tend to be marked by their relationship with boomers on the demographic pyramid. Until we have more evidence, I believe "Generation beta," "Generation alpha," "Generation Z," and "Millennials" show a slow trend of a return to the normal trend. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:39, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. No generation consisting solely of infants is influential. J947 ‡ edits 05:01, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Spanish-style bullfighting

You can't tell Spainish culture without it, and bullfighting is v4.

Support
  1. As nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 16:01, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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