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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:08, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wim Cool

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Aside from one incident, which is already discussed on the 2011 Senate elections page, this local politician is not notable Dajasj (talk) 11:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete I'm not sure, I feel like since he's a senator, he could potentially become notable in the future. However, he doesn't meet the criteria for notability at the moment. ^Wiinter_U 16:12, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WinterU:, he has never been a senator, he also isn't a member of the Provincial States anymore. Dajasj (talk) 16:24, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, well I misread it on accident. I hereby change my vote to Delete. ^Wiinter_U 17:55, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails WP:N and is already discussed on the 2011 election page. Brenae wafato (talk) 22:09, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't understand why he wouldn't be notable as a member of the parliament of one of the 12 provinces of the Netherlands? It doesn't matter if he isn't a member any more - WP:NPOL applies to people who have held state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at that level. He's not a local politician in a town or city council - the provinces are the "layer between the national government and the local governments", according to Provinces of the Netherlands. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Netherlands does not have a federal (or similar) system, as NPOL requires. This is also a part time position. And he fails WP:N without a doubt. The only attention he has received from the provincial paper (noordhollandsdagblad.nl) has been this specific 2011 incident (two articles). Dajasj (talk) 18:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Dajasj explained why a second-level (regional) politician doesn't meet NPOL. Geschichte (talk) 19:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 08:49, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Giok Djan Khoe

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As an AFC reviewer I accepted this as a draft on the basis that it was likely that an emeritus professor passes WP:NPROF. This version, the one I accepted, was poor, but I trusted the community to work with it. The issue is that this has now been turned into an advert by an editor who appears to be the subject of the article. I might have flagged it for CSD as an advert, but choose to ask the community to discuss it. Wikipedia may not be used for promotion 🇵🇸🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 22:18, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Indonesia, and Netherlands. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 22:18, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A clear pass of WP:Prof with a GS h-index of 50. Is this nomination serious? Xxanthippe (talk) 04:07, 2 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

I will stop editing. The editors asked to add categories, citations and links and I was trying to fix just that. I received a lot of encouragements to continue editing. I had difficulties at the beginning with the editing format but found out how to do that properly. I hope that the article will not be deleted because of my actions. Khoe0005 (talk) 07:04, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Very strong Keep. A highly inappropriate nomination; just because there appears to be COI is not grounds for an AfD. His Google Scholar h-factor of 50 qualifies for WP:NPROF#C1; Fellow of IEEE, Optics and other awards fly through #C2-#C3. This is definitely not an advert, it is a non-peacock academic page. Ldm1954 (talk) 12:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as above per WP:PROF #C1 and #C3. The autobiographical edits should indeed stop but they are not a good reason for deletion (we could instead merely block the editor from editing this article if necessary) and in this case did not appear to have problematic effect — listing awards that we should list anyway is encyclopedic rather than promotional. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:41, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WITHDRAWN BY NOMINATOR: Erroneous nomination 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 18:14, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that the nomination to delete is withdrawn, but it still shows on the article page ? Khoe0005 (talk) 20:14, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We are merely waiting for someone not already involved to notice that it has been withdrawn and close the nomination. I would do it myself if only I hadn't already !voted. It should happen soon enough, anyway. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:44, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. And none will emerge while it's literally in the news. Star Mississippi 20:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Amsterdam stabbing attack

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Minor incident - no deaths. WP:GNG is dubious (consider WP:SINGLEEVENT and WP:NOTNEWS). Very unlikely to have enduring effects; if they appear the article can be restored once enduring coverage is shown to exist. We are getting really too inclusionist with minor incidents like this. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:52, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep by the GNG and EVENT. By Dutch standards this is a major attack and the national and international coverage reflects that. The stabbing took place in the very heart of Amsterdam which further contributes to the interest. In the deletion rationale, nominator points at WP:SINGLEEVENT: "People notable for only one event". An attack is not a person so this does not support deletion. WP:NOTNEWS does not support deletion either: For example, routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage. The references used fall outside the domain defined by the policy. gidonb (talk) 06:24, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"By Dutch standards this is a major attack" - yet no Dutch Wikipedia article? And I see this as a routine reporting on a newsworthy but unencyclopedic crime that will be forgotten by everyone in few days._{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:09, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage continues. Nlwiki is not known for quality. gidonb (talk) 17:03, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

😅 very convinient explanation Lord Mountbutter (talk) 19:22, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Always happy to help! If you're curious, you can read more about Nlwiki's quality here or check out the ongoing coverage in major Dutch and international media. gidonb (talk) 01:26, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

keep broadly covered, it happened in the center of big city. It's terrorist attack, to terror there no need to someone be killed. Many nations involved: US, NL, PL, BE victims, UK citizen's arrest and probably Ukrainian perpetrator; that 6 nations involved. That's international terrorism Bildete (talk) 09:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep by the GNG and EVENT. For now the sources and event is notable.BabbaQ (talk) 09:48, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, because Wikipedia:NOTNEWS. Ιf it has a more permanent impact (which I very much doubt) it can be recreated. Lord Mountbutter (talk) 19:20, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you doubt that the Dutch produce books, newspapers, magazines, news shows, and conduct research discussing, among others, mass stabbings? gidonb (talk) 22:26, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But is this an enduring event? Without that, it's just news that will be forgotten soon if it hasn't been already. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:46, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's still a hot topic every day https://www.dutchnews.nl/2025/04/amsterdam-stabbing-suspect-had-terrorist-intent-investigators/ and will be for a long time. Also it's historical event first event of Ukrainian terrorism in western Europe as 2022 missile explosion in Poland and it happened in city center of big city, huge news, international victims Bildete (talk) 08:01, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Errr, what is the connection of this to the 2022 missile explosion in Poland? Here a crazy guy stabbed few folks, none fatally. To me this is not a notable event, not until its coverage is enduring (as in, it is referenced in future years, preferably by academic sources). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:10, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That was significant because for first time West civilians been killed by Ukrainian missile, this is one of the first case of Ukrainian nationalist terrorize the West and had really huge international covered, also because a lot of West citizens were involved as victims Bildete (talk) 10:51, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I think you are making a good case that this article can be abused by Russian disinformation and propaganda, and we should delete it ASAP. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:26, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:09, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Wikipedia is not a repository of news stories. Come back when this is a case study or books are being written about it. Secondary coverage beyond the news is the bare minimum. Not sure what some of the keep votes are trying to accomplish with rationales that have nothing to do with the sourcing. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 01:15, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Wikipedia:NOTNEWS. it's historical event first event of Ukrainian terrorism in western Europe, actually there is only suspicion that this could be some kind of terrorism, though no indication whatsoever that it is "Ukrainian terrorism" (is there such a thing? Are its goals pro-Ukrainian or anti-Ukrainian?). It could equally be a motiveless crime committed by a disturbed person, who ist happened to come from Donetsk. {{TQ|Ιf it has a more permanent impact … it can be recreated)).Pincrete (talk) 15:21, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: it's looks like the only reason to delete is because Ukrainians don't want to see article about Ukrainian terrorist. That a significant event that been and still is broadly covered Bildete (talk) 15:20, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To me it looks like you're just hellbent on trying to connect this event to Ukrainian nationalism and "terrorism" because of the perpetrator's nationality. THEFREEENCYCLOPEDlA (talk) 22:22, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING (WP:LASTINGCRIME) Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 04:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the 2018 Amsterdam stabbing attack previous with 2 victims is at wiki for 7 years this one should be too, no matter if perpetrator is Afgan or Ukrainian Bildete (talk) 09:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a strong argument. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:20, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete‎. CSD G7 Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:23, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elvire Jaspers

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Appears entirely promotional Amigao (talk) 20:28, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails the GNG as a regular professional at work. gidonb (talk) 20:21, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think it is very likely that she is notable - she was the director-general of the Dutch Public Broadcasting organisation for 5 years. The position of Director-General of the BBC is notable, as are all the people who have held that position. All the managing directors of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation are notable. Usually, being appointed to that position means the person has already had significant achievements, and it results in significant coverage of them and scrutiny of their decisions while they are in the position. Such coverage of this person would obviously be in Dutch. I'll see what I can find. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:31, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Article appears to already be deleted. This discussion can be closed. Ramos1990 (talk)

No, an article should not be deleted during an AfD discussion. There is no consensus on deletion - my Comment is against deletion, so I don't think the discussion should be closed yet. RebeccaGreen (talk) 22:18, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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