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The result was no consensus‎. Owen× ☎ 21:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Meaney (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 15:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - decent Irish coverage available - RTÉ (a little routine but still a headline in a national broadcaster's site indicating national prominence), KCLR (similar to before but not quite as notable as RTÉ), a circa 1k word piece entirely about Meaney and his career in The Kildare Nationalist and another piece of coverage in The Nationalist (Carlow version so separate from the prior newspaper). Of these the Kildare Nationalist piece is strongest and combined the sources indicate regional notability, imv. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Kildaire Nationalist and Nationalist pieces you’ve linked seem to be behind an institution wall, so I can’t see what’s in them. JamesVilla44 (talk) 16:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources in the first comment from Ireland are enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: rte and kclr are both routine match reports and do not provide sigcov of Meaney. The other two sources contain little info directly about Meaney and are mostly quotes. Dougal18 (talk) 16:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unremarkable career with no notable independent coverage outside of darts-related sites. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 06:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Glenn Moody

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Multiple articles on glenn moody northernecho and glenn moody gazettelive searches on google plus glenn moody theguardian is a strong one tooCanary757 (talk) 18:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
five references added to the article now from three different sources.Canary757 (talk) 07:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per references added to article. Further coverage can be found in The Mirror (admittedly no consensus for reliability but the coverage indicates notability), Evening Gazette and a bit in the darts publication Dartn.de. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 11:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. asilvering (talk) 04:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fabian Roosenbrand

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:13, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have found a few things for this one. dartfreakz [1], this [2], ~~wegdamnieuws [3]~~, aavisie [4], almelonineuws[5]. Nothing spectacular but some notability. I will have a closer look at these later before nominating a vote and will also consider any feedback.Canary757 (talk) 06:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These sources look minor so I am not opposing deletion unless better ones are found.Canary757 (talk) 12:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete don't think the coverage above meets WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 16:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Toadspike [Talk] 11:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Ross (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This from Stuff is clear sigcov. Further coverage from the Dominion Post and again in same indicate he's of at least regional notability. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 11:39, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. As above from Ser!, there is significant coverage in local media, and I have edited the article to include these references plus one other I found. Ewhite31 (talk) 10:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, appears SPORTBASIC is met.Canary757 (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Beeblebrox ^Beebletalks 01:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pál Székely

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Entirely based on primary sources. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 16:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Another one who looks notable in Hungary. Found this [6] in Magyar Nemzet, This [7] [] in Nemzeti Sport. In Blikk newspaper there is is this [8] I've only looked at a few Hungarian papers so there may be a lot more. Any thoughts?Canary757 (talk) 07:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep per above sources identified by Canary757. That Magyar Nemzet article is a brilliant example of sigcov (and even has other outlets reporting on parts of it). Further coverage can be found in Index.hu, M4sport.hu, 24.hu, further coverage in Index.hu, HVG.hu and Origo.hu. Trouble is that googling "Pal Székely" rarely returns any coverage because of Hungarian naming customs which put the name as "Székely Pal", but googling the latter or "Székely Penge" finds some very strong coverage indicating he's nationally notable in Hungary. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 09:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Nemzet article has only a paragraph of coverage; the rest is interview quotes which do not count towards GNG as primary and non-independent. The first three other sources also appear to be just Q&A interviews. Can you find some non-interview coverage of him? JoelleJay (talk) 22:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm curious about the status of interviews; when I check GNG, the reference to secondary sources is that they need "at least one secondary source" (which in this situation would be the latter Index article) and then says sources "should" be secondary. Then when I check WP:PRIMARY it says "(depending on context) interviews", which links me to WP:Reliable_sources#News organizations, in which there is... nothing listed about the aforementioned interviews. Is the inference here that any sort of interview content, regardless of how widespread or what source it's in, is entirely worthless and bunk in determining notability? ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The general consensus has been that secondary content from the interviewer, e.g. background on the interviewee prepared before the interview, can count towards GNG if it's SIGCOV, but anything coming from the interviewee (either directly in quotes or lightly paraphrased by the interviewer) is not independent or secondary. I'd say the Index article is verging on a routine recap (personally I would classify it as fully routine, as it's just briefly reporting his performance in one tournament). JoelleJay (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thanks for the clarification. Well, I'm finding it hard, owing to my lack of Hungarian (I'm presuming there may be more hidden mentions such as the "Székely Palnak" ones that wouldn't initially come up on search) to find further sources. I'll just hope that whoever closes this will note the various Hungarian national sporting outlets that've gone to the bother of interviewing the subject in detail; even if not counted in the rule-based notability check, it's at least some sort of background showing this isn't just some complete unnotable. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Will give a more expanded response when I have more time but German website dartn.de [9] which has a nice bio about him describes him as one of the most famous players in Eastern Europe (via google translate).Canary757 (talk) 07:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Despite his work, a search yields significant independent coverage and has encyclopedic support. Tgvarrt (talk) 23:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

János Végső

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Entirely based on primary sources. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 16:14, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Relist~~ I think this one warrants more investigation. Significant coverage in the Hungarian Sports newspaper Nemzeti Sport such as [10] and [11]. Also some here on Blikk website.[12] A google search for his name and nemzeti sport shows multiple strong hits so may well be notable in Hungary. Canary757 (talk) 07:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above coverage (though the Nemzeti Sport links seem to be the same one), with even more coverage available in Hungarian language websites - Hatharom, Nemzeti Sport and interviewed in part in Bunteto. Interestingly, Nemzeti Sport in an article specifies that there was "another final success, but not from János"... that's gotta be at least some sign of notability that they've gotta specifically mention it wasn't him, right? Anyway, further research would benefit from using the Hungarian-language versions of his name - either "Végső János" or "Végső Jánosnak". ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:07, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Good extra source addedCanary757 (talk) 13:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Stephenson

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - there's some coverage that appears to indicate Stephenson is at least regionally notable, like this from the Newcastle Chronicle, and this in same, as well as coverage in Malvern Gazette of his business ventures outside of the sport, but it's nothing incredible. I do think WP:3SOURCES is met, just about. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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