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Prisoner B-3087

This is an article creared by a ne editor; they blanked the page because they thought that what they had done was poor. I've restored the contend, so removing your speedy tag. I Think in such cases it is always worth looking at the page history.TheLongTone (talk) 13:34, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

BTW did you do this using Twinkle? Whatever, there was no notification of the speedy on the author's talk page,.TheLongTone (talk) 13:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Hey @TheLongTone, I did look at the page history in this case. But WP:G7 states; If the sole author blanks a page other than a userspace page, a category page, or any type of talk page, this can be taken as a deletion request. The author blanked the page, which is why I added the tag. They also posted on the talk page of the article stating that they were getting rid of it. New users wouldn't know to add the tag, so I did, as it appears their intention is to delete the page. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:41, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Well the book looks like it may well be notable, I've done a minor tidy & added a reference. Imo this editor needs encouragement!TheLongTone (talk) 13:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
That's fine if you want to work on the article, I have no issue whatsoever with that and I appreciate your contribution. With that said, I must say that I think my G7 tag was appropriate. I believe this is pretty much the situation that G7 tags are meant for, pages that an author blanks themselves. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) There are a few CSD criteria where Twinkle doesn't post a talk page notification and I'm sure that G7 is one of them because Twinkle assumes that if an editor has blanked an article/draft page, it's a sign that they want the page deleted and they don't need to receive a notice. I think G6 and G8 are others as well. I'd prefer that Twinkle always post a notification no matter what the criteria but the Twinkle developers have their own opinions and they get a lot of editor feedback as well. Liz Read! Talk! 21:03, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
@Liz I missed responding to that point so thanks for replying to it. There should be an option in the Twinkie preferences that may just not be enabled by default, so I'll take a look when I'm back on my PC. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
It's actually not an option in the Twinkle preferences to notify editors for G7 or G8 tags. It is however an option for G6. Today I learned. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

U.S or U.S.

Hi Josh. I may be wrong, but isn't it supposed to be spelled "U.S." rather than the "U.S" (without the second .) you're adding to the infoboxes? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Oh no... I was working on testing with AWB and I apparently had a typo. I'll go through and fix my mistake now, glad you made me aware of it before I got too far in. Thanks Beanie! Hey man im josh (talk) 17:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Also, make sure if the person is no longer living, to add the "U.S." in the death_place parameter as well (because now a few articles, such as Andy Everest, list "U.S" in the birth_place but not the death_place). BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:29, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
That was something I wanted to do, but this was more or less an initial test run with AWB focused on 1 specific parameter (birth_place). I think it'll need some tweaking before I'm comfortable with it though. If and when I do get to that point I'll definitely tweak it so that I can also cover the death_place parameter as well.
Thanks again for letting me know @BeanieFan11, I went back and fixed all the affected pages. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The No Spam Barnstar
Thank you for fighting spam! Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 17:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
I hadn't even noticed this was on my talk page til someone else posted here. Thanks so much @Fancy Refrigerator!! Hey man im josh (talk) 17:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Brackenbury village

Literally was trying to add in the link when you deleted it. Here’s the link sort it out yourself https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/feb/06/rise-in-wood-burners-in-uk-likely-creating-new-pollution-hotspots-in-affluent-areas Simonthevmbarbarian (talk) 18:14, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

User talk:Mouseketeerlonnie

Hi Hey man im Josh. This is Diane. aka Floomerfelt. I edit Lonnie Burr's page and am connecting with you to let you know he didn't intend anything negative. He is 100% a not-into-computers guy, who apparently decided to try something on his own. I'm not even sure what it was he did! I'm still trying to get smart enough to add all of the necessary footnotes to verify the information's accuracy. But while I'm a whiz at Word, Google and some fundraising programs, Wikipedia footnotes protocol still has me stumped. Maybe it's because I'm almost 78?? Anyway, Sorry for the confusion and if there is something Lonnie did by accident that needs to be undone, just let me know how and I will handle it. Thanks, Josh. Floomerfelt (talk) 23:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Floomerfelt, I can't recall what was on the page before I tagged it for deletion, and I'm not an admin so I cannot see deleted content. It's not a big deal that their user page was deleted, it just means that it contains content that should not have been on their user page. It may be a page written like a resume, the page might be just a link to a personal website, or it may be using the page as a blog of sorts, all of which you should not do. It's hard to say without remembering what was on the page, but they haven't been punished in any way. The warning left on their page should link to the relevant information on the subject.
As for getting used to Wikipedia, don't be afraid to make mistakes but try not to keep making the same mistakes. Listen to feedback given and be willing to ask questions at WP:HELPDESK, there are plenty of helpful people there that will point you in the right direction. The long and the short of Wikipedia editing is include sources for information, write in a neutral without fluff, assume good faith of your fellow editors, and do not edit promotionally. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Hey man im josh,

New Page Review queue December 2022
Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

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Error?

Hello. I believe your revert on Jacob Steinmetz just now was in error. Your edit summary bears no relation to your revert. 65.88.88.62 (talk) 16:53, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I think you may have been trying to add a reference but you added a site URL in a format that is consistent with external links. I'd recommend you check out Help:Referencing for beginners. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
You said that I added an external link. But I did not. That was simply not true. I added a reference, in one of various formats that are used, that was clearly a ref to text, and not in the external links section. I would ask that you self revert. Deletion was not appropriate. It does nothing to improve Wikipedia. P--65.88.88.62 (talk) 18:04, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
Square brackets are typically used to link to items on Wikipedia or for creating external links, which your link was placed inside of. Based on the diff of your edit, it is shown as an external link and not as a reference. You are welcome to add the information back using the appropriate reference format, which includes the use of ref tags, as shown at Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/2, but I will not be self reverting. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:18, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism suggestion

Thank you for your suggestion to test mediawiki exploit vandalism in the sandbox. However, for some reason, I can’t redirect the sandbox, so I have to resort to vandalizing mainspace pages. Thanks anyways, 174.240.191.122 (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

You absolutely do not need to resort to that and if you do continue to vandalize pages you may end up banned. I'd also expect someone testing to be on a registered account, not as an IP address. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:24, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Lack of a timestamp in your signature

Hi Hey man im josh. Have you recently removed the timestamp from your signature, or are the posts to RSN a bug? Without the timestamp the reply tool stops functioning. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 18:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

It must have been a bug, as I don't have a custom signature. I'll go take a look and fix it, thanks @ActivelyDisinterested. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:36, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
Maybe Thursday has come early. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 18:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Casablanca Airport Med V citations

Hey Josh, I'm the person that has been editing the Casablanca Airport page. Look, of course I understand where you're coming from with the citations. I agree very much that referencing content is a fundamental thing on a Wiki page, but in the field of airline destinations that is just very hard to do sometimes. In Casablanca's case, I have removed a lot more than I added in terms of routes. If I take Flynas for example, flying to Jeddah, there are plenty of sources online that announce the route, but if I go on the Flynas website it becomes pretty clear there are no more direct flights between the two cities. What is then the right thing to do here? Should I include a source that links to the Flynas website? Because that is pretty vague as well. There are plenty of other examples, such as S7 to Mosocow, RAM to Beijing, Saudia to Medina etc.. How can anything ever be removed if airlines hardly give official statements for discontinuing flights? In terms of new routes, I do my best to provide sources (such as with Air Côte d'Ivoire to Abidjan), and I can understand you are a bit more skeptical. Still though, a source may not tell the whole story: a seasonal flight can become a permanent flight, routes may start later than originally planned (see the flight to Alexandria). If I look on any big airport wiki, there really aren't hundreds of sources next to every single destination in order to verify that they indeed run the route. So I understand you, but the alternative is staying with a horrendously outdated destinations page with sources from 2017 and 2018, only because you dogmatically have to provide external sources that the route is run. Is there a way to find a compromise in this topic? 81.173.79.58 (talk) 15:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

I may not actually be the best person to ask this question to, as you're getting into specific situations that I don't have a lot of experience in and I don't want to steer you wrong. I think you'll get better, more informed answers if you ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports which is a sub project of Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation. Those are where the experts on these types of articles are at. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Okay I will ask there, but then I don't really understand why you're acting like you do know how it works in the revisions page. I've edited more airport pages in the past without much objection by others in terms of sources. If it really is the way as you make it out to be, 1) there should be hundreds of sources on every single airport wiki, and 2) I would have received feedback a long time ago about how that is a bad practice. 81.173.79.58 (talk) 16:32, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Everything that's added to an article should be verifiable, plain and simple, and it was clear from a lack of citations that it was not. I'm pointing you in that direction because they'll be familiar with the best sources available to construct this type of content. How would you know that nobody has given feedback if you're using a dynamic IP address? There may have been a message left for you at a talk page and you could be unaware of it. This is why it's beneficial to register an account, so that users can communicate with you in a central location. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:36, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Airports/page_content#Airlines_and_destinations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports/Archive_17#Referencing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports/Archive_18#It_is_indeed_time_to_get_rid_of_all_the_Airline_&_Destination_tables
Here they talk about destinations going to be serviced and going to be terminated in the future. In these cases I completely understand the need for sourcing. However, when it comes to routes that have already been discontinued long ago, along with routes that have already existed for a while, for me it doesn't really make sense to not update any of them only because there is no secondary source. The flight to Nouadhibou by Mauritania Airlines hasn't flown for years as far as I can see (https://www.mauritaniaairlines.mr/index.php/vols/reseau-de-la-compagnie). Why let it stay on the wiki? 81.173.79.58 (talk) 17:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Redirect reviews

Congratulations on your being in 3rd place for redirect reviews for 2022 at a total of 21,379 redirect reviews made. That is really impressive! I am hoping to graduate the NPP reviewer school soon, and then maybe I can follow in your footsteps a bit as well once I get that perm. TY again for all that you do to help improve Wikipedia. — Moops ⋠T⋡ 22:29, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words @Moops! We could always use more reviewers, that backlog creeps up quickly and we wouldn't want people to get burned out. We have a Discord that's actively used for discussions and to talk things out (whether something should be marked reviewed, tagged, redirected, etc.) so make sure to get involved there once you get all done. Looking forward to you joining the NPP team! Hey man im josh (talk) 16:22, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
TY kindly. I hope that I pass! I am in the final stages now of NPP school, so hopefully will not be too much longer now... :) — Moops ⋠T⋡ 16:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Unrelated but I'm getting close to wanting to just cave and buy Discord Nitro so that I can join more than 100 servers cause I"m starting to run out of servers I'm wanting to leave... ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:26, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
100 servers... WOW! Hey man im josh (talk) 16:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Yep. It somehow feels like very little and yet still a lot at the same time... I don't even know how I joined that many. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:35, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

A Big Thank You

Thank you very much for the barnstar, Josh. It's February and you already made my 2023!

And like always, please tell me right away when my direction goes off course. @@

Regards, John Bringingthewood (talk) 01:02, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Bringingthewood, I'm glad you're always open to criticism and collaboration. You're the exact type of user this project needs and I just wanted to give you some positive reinforcement. I'm glad you ended up registering and I'm grateful for all that you contribute. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:49, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
That's a definite, I'm not going in the corner to cry, lol. Anything positive coming from you ... I do appreciate.
Also, I'm the grateful one. You were right, you really can do more by registering, thanks for that once again.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I have to say it again, if I come across the wrong way at times it's nothing personal.
I'll never get mad at anything you say (and that holds true for a few others that I met). Sometimes I type a bit on the rough side.
Thank you again, John Bringingthewood (talk) 22:34, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
@Bringingthewood, I'll assume assume good faith with you! Don't be afraid to ever fact check me or others either =) Hey man im josh (talk) 16:18, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
I appreciate it! It would have to be really bad for me to do that with you ... but I have checked others.
Some really surprised me. Never assume vandalism I guess.
Well, now I'll stop cluttering up your talk page. Catch you later and thanks for everything.
John Bringingthewood (talk) 00:37, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Reaching you

How do I reach you 198.28.181.124 (talk) 17:59, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not interested in communication outside of Wikipedia. Especially based on the edit of yours I reverted. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:01, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you!

Apostolica 20:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much @Apostolicus! I love kittens!! Hey man im josh (talk) 15:34, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Regarding recent summaries on WP:ANI

You should review the difference between a ban and a block. See WP:BLOCKBANDIFF. In the 2 or 3 summaries where you stated it was a ban, it would have been at least if not more correct to say that it was a block. Izno (talk) 05:37, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Izno thank you for the reaching out with the feedback, I appreciate it as I only recently started closing discussions. I understand the difference but I had been using the terms interchangeably when I should not have. I'll use the proper terminology moving forward. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Fritz Neumayr

Hey man im josh - Fritz Neumayr played professional soccer in the top league at the time in the Gauliga and played in the top flight 1931 German football championship and was the captain of his team. That would qualify him for notability.

I included the reference to his other team just to prove that he did play for them. You may not see why it is necessary, but multiple people on here would love to get their name on the page by slapping the "lack of sources" message for missing that.

I think we also need to keep in mind here that:

1) This is 1930's Germany where the internet did not exist yet, so there's not going to be ESPN articles on him, yet alone videos or photos like there would be Messi.

2) I don't speak German, which limits search results. I can't go try to see if there's some old german newspaper archive where I could search this up.

3) We are limited by book availability. No one in the US can go to the library and check out various German soccer books for free. I currently have a book from Germany on the way to settle other German soccer arguments, however it cost me $70 and it will take weeks to come. I have no doubt that I could order a book from here - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSV_1860_M%C3%BCnchen#Einzelnachweise and prove he was written about, but it's not really worth $30-$70 to me to do it and as it stands, the article will be long gone by the time that book would come. If you'd like to contribute to purchasing a book for this, I'd be happy to put the order in.

4) He was a defender. Defenders don't really appear in statlines since they don't really score or assist on goals or try to save goals.

KatoKungLee (talk) 18:37, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey @KatoKungLee, thanks for reaching out. I understand the difficulty with establishing notability for someone who played a sport in the 20s and 30s, I've faced a similar issue with American football players. I don't believe that being the captain of a team inherently makes a person notable. The reference you included that was not a sports database also only included a passing mention of Fritz. We need to be able to show that significant coverage exists for a player or that they have a claim to notability. Participation (games played) is not enough to establish notability for soccer players and, at the end of the day, every article's subject must be able to pass WP:GNG. Also, if I'm reading this correctly, Fritz only ended up playing 6 games. Based on similar articles being nominated at AfD in the past I question whether notability can be demonstrated, but I do appreciate your efforts in content creation and communication. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
I should have pointed here in my last comment actually, but see WP:SPORTCRIT. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Playing a professional game makes you notable for the football section of the site - Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. People like Clifton McNeely who never actually played a first division professional game have articles on here. He played on TSV 1860 Munich which played in the first division Gauliga and the 1931 German football championship.
It is extremely unlikely that Fritz would have been made captain for playing 6 games in 11 years. I think we can clearly agree that the sites likely just had limited information. However, one game would make him notable regardless.
I can go bother the german wikipedia crew if you'd like to try and see if someone is willing to go through a book and find a paragraph on him - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSV_1860_M%C3%BCnchen#Einzelnachweise. It kind of seems silly to do that though when we know he played professional games for a top flight team while others who didn't already have articles here. I'd also be willing to accept a donation for help in purchasing one of the books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KatoKungLee (talk • contribs) 19:34, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi @KatoKungLee. Could you please point me to anywhere in the notability guidelines where it states that playing in a single game of a professional sports league makes a person notably? I believe that the participation-based notably standard was removed with the passing of proposal 3 at WP:NSPORTS2022. As for Clifton McNeely, he was first overall pick in the first draft of what became the NBA, which is pretty clearly notable and comes with a boatload of significant coverage. Is there someone else by a similar name that you possibly meant to link to?
An article must demonstrate notably, not lean on the reader to infer that sources are incomplete or that they likely exist. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

NFLINFOBOXNOT

I noticed at J. T. Barrett you removed from the infobox several awards, citing NFLINFOBOXNOT. While I agree the "offensive bowl game mvp" should not be added, I'm not seeing what says major conference-wide awards such as the Greise-Brees QBOTY are not to be added. Let me know if I'm wrong. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

You know what, you're right @BeanieFan11. I'm wrong on this so I appreciate you reaching out and stopping me from making further mistakes! Another reminder of why it's important to re-read guidelines even when you feel you're familiar with them. I must have synthesized a couple of different points and came to the conclusion that the scope of conference specific awards fit the spirit of what to leave out, but that's not something I should be deciding on my own. I restored the QB and freshman of the year entries to Barrett's page, though I did not re-add the Chicago Tribune's Silver football award. I cannot find where a discussion I had took place about the silver football award (searched archives at the NFL WP) so I won't object if you want that added back as well.
I do think we may need to consider this at some point though based on how bloated infoboxes are becoming. At the very least I think it'd be helpful to list these accolade with a more understandable and consistent naming scheme, similar to how Jabrill Peppers has his conference awards listed. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:24, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

IP editor

Hi Josh. I wonder if you could have a look at the changes made by IP editor 60.88.113.10? I have no idea about basketball players and I don't have time to verify all the changes, made with no citation or edit summary. There was another one making similar changes a week or two ago, who I think was eventually blocked by an admin, but I don't remember who. Thanks. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:09, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Laterthanyouthink, I looked into it and I found a couple of IP ranges that I think might be the same editor based on their edit history:
60.85.49.0/20 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
60.88.112.0/21 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial))
There was a 1 month block for the first IP range with a summary of Persistent addition of unsourced content. I think that's the one that you're referring to. It looks like Engr. Smitty is likely aware of the issue, as they've reverted these IPs quite a few times. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for following up - much appreciated. I see that you have tagged Engr. Smitty so hopefully they will be able to act based on their prior experience with this person. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 21:05, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Laterthanyouthink, note that I didn't actually ping them, I used the noping template. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Oh, I see, and see that they are not currently doing much editing, so perhaps best to leave them alone for now. I don't know what further I can do as I'm not an admin and currently only editing erratically myself owing to real-life busyness. Oh well. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:22, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
@Laterthanyouthink: You could start a thread at WP:AN/I or report the range at WP:AIV after some warnings, noting that there's a history. An admin may then proceed to ban them for a longer period of time if they're continually being disruptive. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:47, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

creeks proposed for deletion

With regards to the proposed deletions to the fox Creek Tributaries. Do what I did in moving the content to the main Creek and making a redirect if you really want to help Wikipedia, instead of deleting the information all together.

-420Traveler (talk) 17:37, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey @420Traveler, thank you for taking the time to make those changes. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:21, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Redirects

How is that you just find redirects to review? Or is it that you just come across them over time? Is there a way to sort by just those? Now that I have the NPP perm (on trial for another week or so.. then hopefully it is made permanent), I'd like to help in what ways that I can. TY — Moops ⋠T⋡ 22:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Moops. You can start anywhere but it's usually recommended to start at the back of the queue, as we'd always like the backlog to be as as close to today's date as we can get it. You can sort by new if you'd like as well, but it's better to leave redirects that aren't 15 minutes old yet. I mention that because DannyS712 bot III automatically reviews redirects for users on the redirect autopatrol list.
You can set a range that you'd like to look through and you can search by user. Searching by user is often helpful when you find a few redirects by somebody and want to see if they've created others. I myself do this often because I find it more efficient to review a single user's redirects when they've created quite a few of them. They'll often be on the same subject, the same style, or have some similarity that makes it easier for me to figure out whether it's a good redirect or not. Give it a shot, ask questions on Discord if you're unsure (if you're still up for participating there), and members of the team will give their opinions on whether it's a valid redirect or not. Note that tagging pages with appropriate rcats is not mandatory, but it is something I like to do using WP:Capricorn. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:31, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Great tips. TY kindly. — Moops ⋠T⋡ 16:59, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reviewing all my redirects to Government Degree College, Kalakote. But the article itself isn’t reviewed, my previous two articles have been reviewed within 2-3 days but it took almost a week. Can you please tell me that reviewing of a particular page is allotted to particular reviewer or anyone with review access can review it? Gorav Sharma‎ 💬 19:53, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Gorav Sharma, the threshold for marking redirects as reviewed is much different than the threshold for articles, which is why a redirect will sometimes be reviewed before an article. When I'm looking at redirects I try to see whether they make sense, and in this case they did. Don't be worried if your article takes more than a few days to be reviewed. There is nobody assigned to specific articles, it's just anybody with review access. If your article has tags, such as a notability concern tag, then try to address is as best you can. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:57, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
Thanks Josh for reviewing GDC Kalakote redirects. Gorav Sharma‎ 💬 19:56, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Thanks you! I very much appreciate the barnstar @Gorav Sharma! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:59, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Bahri (company)

Hello, I moved this page, as it was hacked by another user, who changed the page into his own company, with the same name. By renaming and moving the page such problem would not occur again. Please see at below: // Bahri Trading Corporation, is a Custom Clearance and Logistics Company of Pakistan, Bahri was established in 1978 with the aim of providing a comprehensive variety and choice of freight forwarding/logistics services in Pakistan. We hire only the best, most competent, motivated and dedicated logistics management experts and specialists which has enabled the company. 13:30, 10 February 2023‎ Waleedk06 talk contribs‎ 3,846 bytes −2,527‎ // Goodwillgames (talk) 16:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@Goodwillgames: Hacked isn't the right way to put it, the page was hijacked. Moving it to Bahri (National Shipping Company of Saudi Arabia) is also not the proper naming format for an article, as that's just the company's current name with its former name in the title. Until another page exists by the same time we should leave it at "(company)". Hey man im josh (talk) 16:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
And then, any user can revert it into another company, as that name is rather common, and there are other companies with such name. Goodwillgames (talk) 16:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
@Goodwillgames: Users are not allowed to hijack articles and change the content to an entirely different company. They are required to create a separate article. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
curprev 13:34, 10 February 2023‎ Waleedk06 talk contribs‎ 3,725 bytes −121‎ No edit summaryundothank Tags: Reverted Visual edit
curprev 13:30, 10 February 2023‎ Waleedk06 talk contribs‎ 3,846 bytes −2,527‎ No edit summaryundothank Tags: Reverted Visual edit references removed Disambiguation links added
It was done. Please have a look at these versions. I had to revert them manually. It was changed to a local Pakistani freight forwarder Goodwillgames (talk) 19:28, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
@Goodwillgames: Yes, they were not supposed to do that. Their edits have been reverted. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Reverted by me 17 days later. Unfortunately nobody else noticed that, and a serious article about a globally recognised company became an advertisement about a small local firm Goodwillgames (talk) 20:02, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
@Goodwillgames: The admins don't typically ban someone for not understanding they shouldn't hijack an article, unless they repeatedly do so. This is someone who likely didn't know better, it's been fixed, and so we should move on for now. If it happens again that's when escalation may be appropriate. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

New Article Redirect

Hi Josh, I wonder if you can help. I recently attempted to move a page from my Sandbox to create a new article and it redirects to the previous article I created. Is there a way to publish my new article without it being a redirect to the old page? New article is Johnny Reynolds (footballer). Redirects to Trevor Bumstead. Any guidance appreciated. Many thanks! EastLondonGooner (talk) 05:49, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @EastLondonGooner. It looks like you moved an existing redirect (your sandbox) to the main space under the title that you wanted to create an article at. I've requested the page be deleted since that redirect, in its current form, doesn't actually make sense. Once it's been deleted you should be able to move your article there without issue. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:45, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for taking time to investigate @Hey man im josh and clear response! The new article is currently in my sandbox. If I attempt to move it to the main space again, will I be able to do so under the same name or will I have to rename it after the speedy deletion? Thanks again EastLondonGooner (talk) 03:55, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Hey @EastLondonGooner: I believe the target you're looking to move your sandbox article to is Johnny Reynolds (footballer), is that correct? If so, that's already been deleted which means you're free to move it to that location when you feel as though it's ready for the main space. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:41, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Yes, that's the one. Thank you! EastLondonGooner (talk) 17:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thank you for all of the extra work with G13s today. Above and beyond! Liz Read! Talk! 18:00, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Thank you @Liz, I appreciate this so much, especially coming from you! Looks like we're through the bulk of it for today =) Hey man im josh (talk) 18:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Speedway pages

Many thanks for reviewing my speedway pages, it is much appreciated. Pyeongchang (talk) 19:55, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all, thank YOU for putting the work in @Pyeongchang! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:56, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

SDZeroBot G13 soon

Hey, Josh,

When I was looking at tomorrow's list last week, there was a formatting problem that I made a fix for. So, it'll be much easier for you to use this version of the page than the original one. See you tomorrow! Liz Read! Talk! 23:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Nice work, thanks @Liz! Hey man im josh (talk) 00:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Josh, don't feel like you have to take care of all of the extra G13s from the end of August. They'll get done at some point over the next day or two. Feel free if you want to tag them but I don't think you usually edit at this time of the day so don't feel compelled to work overtime. Thanks again for all of your help! Liz Read! Talk! 01:22, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
@Liz, thanks for being so considerate. Tonight however I'm actually working overtime and being paid just to wait, so I'm filling the time by keeping busy. Just convenient timing that it happened at a time with no much available to chip away at. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:39, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2023).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:19, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Hey, Josh, do you realize that we had 1,061 G13 eligible drafts to review over the past 36 hours? Our typical workload is around 150-225 expiring drafts/day so this was almost like a week's work in one day. Between several editors using AWB to do mass-editing of drafts back on August 28th and 3 extra days of the month, it was like the perfect storm for expiring drafts.

You made major progress tonight and I took care of a bunch more. But I'm sure there will still be some drafts left over to review on User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible in the morning. Thank you so much for all of your work, it would have taken me days to get through all of them. Liz Read! Talk! 06:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I decided to take the G13 eligible list, sort it alphabetically and of the remaining pages that were listed, deleted Draft:1-Draft:M drafts. So that leaves Draft:N-Draft:Z drafts and the User page drafts. But most of the pages listed were already deleted earlier today. Liz Read! Talk! 08:31, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Stroopwafels seem delightful, thanks @Liz. I was thinking the same thing about it being a perfect storm but that's more drafts than I thought lol. We'll chip away at it and get there, as you said there's no rush. I'm happy to help, it wouldn't be fun having to manage it alone. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
All of August 31st is done by the way @Liz. Been keeping up with today's as well. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Nenu Student Sir! movie

HI, Nenu Student Sir! is a Telugu movie which is ready for release and there are many articles published about this film in various websites, print and digital media. This film stars Bellamkonda Ganesh, Avantika Dassani, Samuthirakani, Sunil and others who are pretty famous.

Kindly google about NENU STUDENT SIR! movie and create a Wiki page. Thanks Zedcard (talk) 11:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Zedcard: I'm not interested in creating a page about the subject. You are welcome to give it a shot yourself, which I encourage you to do at WP:AFC. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:42, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

If you have

no skeletons in your closet, I look forward to your RFA. When you are ready. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Deepfriedokra! It feels good getting an admin's seal of approval and having your contributions recognized. Some day maybe, but I think I'm still a ways off from being qualified enough. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation project to improve PageTriage

Hi, as an active New Page Patroller, I wanted to make sure you were aware of an upcoming Wikimedia Foundation project to improve the PageTriage extension. We recently published results of user interviews, and have some findings that we would value patrollers' opinions on. If you haven't yet, please consider adding the project page to your watchlist to stay up to date with our progress! Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:17, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

hey, can you do me a favor?

so, look, i reallly need this to be done. but, anywaaaaaay, can you let me delete your cessna project so i can use it for a school project? i really need this to get my grade this yea. im barelly hanging on to a C- and this project would help me pass this class. you can put it back on in like three weeks. just long enough so that my teacher doesn't find out. please man. i really neeed this. Gavinmills19 (talk) 14:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Gavinmills19, such request would not be granted. Nobody owns an article on Wikipedia, even the original author of the article. I have reverted your actions on Cessna 150. I understand your need to complete your schoolwork, but I encourage you to do the work by yourself and not copy from Wikipedia, I am sure you can do a very good job. Of course, feel free to use the articles in Wikipedia to aid you in your research. If you have any questions, please do ask. Have a good day! ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 14:44, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

New page reviewing

Hi my friend. I hope you are fine. I see that you mentioned me on the Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect autopatrol list. Is there something that I should be doing that I’m not doing? If so, can you please offer your advice. I am committed to being useful to Wikipedia and I’m keen to learn more. Thanks so very much. Best regards, BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 18:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @BoyTheKingCanDance: The mention at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect autopatrol list is a good thing and a compliment. You have a good track record when it comes to creating redirects and I'm recommending that the redirects that you create be automatically patrolled. It's a pseudoright meant to mimic the official autopatroll permission and it helps to reduce the redirect backlog at NPP. I very much appreciative your positive attitude, as not everybody seeks out constructive criticism, but I don't have any for you at this moment. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
That’s terribly kind of you. I see you as an outstanding editor so, yes, I take it as a compliment. Very best regards, BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 18:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you @BoyTheKingCanDance! If you ever feel like patrolling some redirects please feel free to make recommendations of your own at the same location. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:22, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jerry Richardson

On 7 March 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jerry Richardson, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 01:24, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Rollback : potentially problematic use

Hello Hey man im josh, if I may offer some friendly advice, it might be wise to apply a degree of caution when you use the Rollback feature. Your recent use of Rollback on Clone Trooper appears inappropriate and is not in line with Wikipedia:Rollback and the guidance given specifically:

@RossButsy: Are you talking about using rollback on this edit? Because that's not a problem.-- Ponyobons mots 00:24, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ponyo: As you say. RossButsy (talk) 00:35, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @RossButsy: I do stand by that and believe it to have been appropriate use of rollback. I also very much appreciate Ponyo's comment on the issue.
They added the word "NO" and then 162 empty lines above the article text, I believe that fits the definition of vandalism. If you do not, that's fine, but it would still be considered appropriate use of rollback based on point 1 of WP:ROLLBACKUSE: To revert obvious vandalism and other edits where the reason for reverting is absolutely clear. I think the reason for reverting was absolutely obvious and no competent editor would restore it. I appreciate that you accepted Ponyo's feedback, but I wanted to point you to a relevant bit of text. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:53, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

No problem furthermore then. It just seemed a bit unnecessary on my end when a simple revert would have probably sufficed RossButsy (talk) 00:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

2023 nfl season

Why did you delete every signing? I have already spent 5 hours putting all of them in. Manny Manatee (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@Manny Manatee, you are not meant to add every single signing, only the most notable. Please read the notes for the section. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Yeah but you shouldn’t of deleted everything, only the ones that weren’t notable. Manny Manatee (talk) 18:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
@Manny Manatee, I did only delete the non-notable ones when you had initially left a message on my talk page. I reverted your last edits because you seemed to have duplicated everything in the article. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
I only duplicated the defensive tackle and linebacker signings. Manny Manatee (talk) 18:54, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
@Manny Manatee, see here for the duplicate content I'm referring to. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:05, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Stop making stuff up, I was the one who originally wrote that. There was nothing there before I started, and also stop changing it to free agency starts on the 15th, it started two days ago on the 13th. Manny Manatee (talk) 19:18, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
@Manny Manatee, look at the link I provided... Nothing is being made up. You can see, based on the edit history, that you duplicated the content in the article. It's ok, mistakes happen, I was just explaining why it was removed.
You are incorrect regarding free agency starting on the 13th, that's when the legal tampering period started, not free agency. Please provide a source that states that free agency starts on the 13th instead of the 15th. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Here's a link to the NFL's website that shows the 15th is when free agency starts. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
The article you showed says it starts on the 13th, it says trading and league year start on 15th. I just have a quick question, what team do you root for? Manny Manatee (talk) 19:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I looked it up real quick, you are right. Since you are right, why were players getting signed on the 13th? Manny Manatee (talk) 19:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I still don’t understand why you are saying I duplicated it. I wrote the whole thing in my own words. Manny Manatee (talk) 19:43, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
@Manny Manatee, the 13th was the start of what's referred to as the "legal tampering" period in which players may negotiate contracts. They cannot actually sign with another team until the 15th.
Regarding the duplicated content, it doesn't have to do with what you wrote in the free agency section. It looks like you accidently copied everything that was below the free agency section and pasted it, resulting in sections being duplicated. Mistakes happen, it's not a big deal. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
It is a big deal, because I did it on Accident, and now 5 hours of my work has been wasted. Here, I found something that says it starts on the 13th. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ Manny Manatee (talk) 19:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
So you deleted everything, because I accidentally copied everything and then deleted the copy, this is no joking matter, I am really fed up. I am way more fed up then when the refs ruled the pass fine on the music city miracle. Manny Manatee (talk) 20:06, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Alright, if you want to attempt to troll (regarding your "source"), then I'm done attempting to help you. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:44, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
You weren’t helping anyways, all you were doing was wasting my time, I don’t know why you think you were helping. Manny Manatee (talk) 21:06, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
You've said your piece, now please stay off my talk page. I do not wish to continue this conversation any further. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:11, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Josh, Bath City women’s page

Hi Josh, would it be possible for you to review the Bath City W.F.C. Page? Thanks. Joseph1891 (talk) 15:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Joseph1891, I'm currently reviewing redirects but I'm confident that someone from the NPP team will get to it at their earliest convenience. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:59, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Time change

Hey, Josh,

I hope you are doing well this week. I just wanted to remind you about the upcoming time change this weekend (I believe Canada follows this custom as well). This is probably an unnecessary reminder but I thought I'd note it any way as date and time plays such a key role in determining when we tag and delete expiring drafts. But I know my screen displays both my local time and UTC time and yours might as well. It's nice for those few weeks of the year when the time period from six months ago aligns with our current time period and you don't have to make mental adjustments. And it looks like after a couple heavy G13 days of over 200 drafts, we have several lighter days coming up.

Any way, thanks again for all you do here and have a good weekend (minus one hour!). Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Liz, thank you for the update, I appreciate your thoughtful 'heads up' posts =) Hey man im josh (talk) 19:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

"Ron Allen (actor)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Ron Allen (actor) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 11 § Ron Allen (actor) until a consensus is reached. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 18:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Han Lue

I want to get the redirect deleted ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 08:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @ErceÇamurOfficial, why? It seems like an appropriate redirect. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
No it's wrong.
Han Lue is not Han (surname unknown) from the Fast and the furious franchise. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 19:16, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Well it mentions Han Lue as the name in the article, literally as the first words of the article. Based on two CSD tags being declined you're probably better off taking it to RfD. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_11#Ron_Allen_(actor) ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 19:17, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Richard Chambers

Hi man, knowing the people involved here - the information there is outdated and no longer applies. Thanks for this. Paulmullinwrexham (talk) 08:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Paulmullinwrexham, it's typically best practice not to edit the articles of those you personally or professionally know. See WP:COI. With that said, I reverted your edit because it removed a decent chunk of info without explaining why. Try to use the edit summary in the future so that it's clear why you are doing so, otherwise others may also revert for unexplained content removal. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reviews

Dear user: Hey man im josh, you reviewed many Wikipedia's redirects that I created; I just would like to say you: thank you very much!! 7e8y (talk) 16:20, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

No problem, happy to help. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:21, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Drue Tranquill's number

Just saw you removed his number. Just wanted to let you know where the number came from. It was actually from his Twitter account from a picture of him holding up a jersey, specifically this tweet. Josh Williams (the previous #23) confirmed this as well making a post asking about a new number here. I added that myself, it wasn't one of the situations where IPs pull a number seemingly out of nowhere and add it.--Rockchalk717 05:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rockchalk717: Woops, my bad. Thanks for letting me know, and sorry, I must have missed that it was added by you. Had I realized that I wouldn't have touched it. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
No worries. Figured you probably thought it was another IP adding a random number they pulled out of their...well I try not to cuss on here but I think you know where I'm going there lol.--Rockchalk717 15:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for reviewing my redirects. I know it must be tedious work. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

No problem @QuicoleJR. It's not so bad when the redirects make sense, are straight forward, and appropriately tagged like yours are =P Keep up the good work! Hey man im josh (talk) 16:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! I try my best to make good redirects. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Panzer tank

Hi, it seems like you recently created a disambiguation page for Panzer tank. However, it seems that there is already a redirect Panzer which targets to Tanks in the German Army and another similar topic is German tanks in World War II. I am in favor of deleting your dab page, or pointing Panzer tank to one of the two existing articles, but want to see what you think. Natg 19 (talk) 00:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Natg 19. Honestly, I was most way through making it and I wondered whether it was even necessary. It was partially in response to a redirect that was being requested at WP:AFC/R. Do you think the content may be worth including at Panzer (disambiguation)? Hey man im josh (talk) 02:57, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Thank you for reviewing all my pages! Dronebogus (talk) 14:47, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for putting the work in to create them! Hey man im josh (talk) 14:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Murder of Krystal Dawn Steadman

Hi there. You reviewed a page I recently made that's on the chopping block. I'm new here relatively, so may you tell me where you left it? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 21:58, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@ContributingHelperOnTheSide: I don't have an opinion on the subject. I marked the subject as reviewed as part of the New Page Patrol process. It's standard for us to mark any page sent to WP:AfD as reviewed, as the page is essentially undergoing community review and will not need to be reviewed by the NPP team. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Well, thanks, my apologies for the confusion. I've got a flimsy chance keeping the page afloat, it's nice to have more opinions through dialogue. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 01:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
@ContributingHelperOnTheSide: Nothing to apologize for. Most people aren't aware of little standard procedures like that that the NPP team follow. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Review

Dear reviewer, I would like to bring to your attention that there are no links or references to the creator of the license. The added license in question is widely used in Italy and is part of a good, comprehensive article that should report accurate information. An intellectual artifact has been mentioned, which must be included for its dissemination in Italy. Therefore, I kindly request you to reconsider your decision. Thank you. 79.34.205.173 (talk) 13:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Your edit was reverted because it was unsourced. If information cannot be verified it should not be added to an article. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
thanks for reverting that talkpage vandalism! -I.R.B.A.T(yell at me) (The IRBAT Files) 14:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much for this @Im really bad at this! Hey man im josh (talk) 15:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

DiamondComodo

I've started a thread at ANI about the user. I figured I should let you know since you've been warning them and reverting their edits. If you think a different venue would be more appropriate, I obviously wouldn't object if you reported them somewhere else. — SamX [talk · contribs] 16:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Samx. It looks like they've already been banned by Bbb23 since you made that post. You're right in your report, they are certainly WP:NOTHERE. Truthfully, I probably could have made a report at WP:AIV instead of issuing my most recent warning, but I sometimes err on the side of caution by giving extra warnings. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thanks for patrolling VTuber-dom –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 23:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you so much @Vami IV! I really appreciate it =) Hey man im josh (talk) 12:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Josh

Thanks Josh for reveiwing my article Any comment on it? Harjex10 (talk) 01:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Harjex10. I actually don't have any thoughts on the article, I simply marked it as reviewed as a matter of procedure. Any article that is sent to WP:AfD is meant to be marked as reviewed by the New Page Patrol, as the page is essentially undergoing community review, making it unnecessary for a member of the NPP team to review it. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

2023 Horsham District Council election

Hi Josh, Can you advise me what the error(s) is that I've made in my creation of this page as I don't understand. Many thanks. Drams707 (talk) 12:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Drams707, it seems like your page was moved to draft space by a relatively new user named Commemorative1. I agree with the draftificaiton, as the article in its current state is just a template waiting to be filled out. You haven't filled out most of the tables and it could be improved by adding references. Surely the candidates are known ahead of time, so that's at least somewhere to start. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Josh, Thanks for the reply. I've started filling in candidate names but stopped as it seemed futile if the page was about to be deleted. Nominations don't close until 4 April so not all names are known yet. Tables cannot be completed until after the election on 4 May. However, similar pages have been started for other UK councils with elections on 4 May without it being an issue, e.g. 2023 North Somerset Council election and similar pages for authorities like Liverpool and Sunderland. I could probably add a couple of references if it would help but I don't want to add the names of further known candidates if the page is going to be deleted. Cheers. Drams707 (talk) 13:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi again, I've just tried to add references as requested but can't find the page. Can you advise me where to find it?
Thanks. Drams707 (talk) 13:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Drams707: I checked your contribution history and found the page - Draft:2023 Horsham District Council election. Draft space is just a place to work on articles, nothing wrong with working on something there. Once it's completed and includes some references you could move it back to the main space if you wanted to. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi Josh, Thanks for all your help. This is the first time I've tried to create a page and will probably be the last. I've completed as much information as is available to me at this stage. I'd like to move it to Wikipedia now but don't know how. Can you do this for me or advise me how to do it after which I hopefully won't need to trouble you again. Cheers. Drams707 (talk) 15:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Drams707: Check out Wikipedia:Moving a page. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:17, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
Done! Once again thanks for all your help, Josh. Drams707 (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Advice needed

Hey, I need your advice with something. I just rewrote Amal Dunqul from scratch, and I'm thinking of nominating it for WP:GA. I've never done this before, so I want you to informally look it over if possible before I cross the Rubicon. Maybe you can tell me if it stands a WP:SNOWBALL. 〜 Festucalex • talk 20:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Festucalex: I've never actually gone through the GA process myself, so I'm not really the best to advise you on it. With that said, one tip I have is to add more references and citations. I feel as though most Good Articles will have more than 9 references. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Ah well, I thought of asking the first expert-looking user I saw. I'll see if I can ask someone else, or maybe ask in the Teahouse. As for references, There just aren't many good sources out there. Most of them regurgitate the same 5 factoids about the man. I went out and actually borrowed Dunqul's biography (written by his wife) from a guy I knew had it in order to write the article. 〜 Festucalex • talk 12:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words! I wish you the best of luck in getting your article up to GA status. Don't take article criticisms harshly, just work to fix what's been pointed out. It's a grind sometimes but GA standards are high. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:32, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

User page

I am seeking clarity on why the Shree Shree Shambav page has been blocked. All information provided is factual and properly cited. Any insights you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Shree Shree Shambav (talk) 15:46, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Shree Shree Shambav: The page was not blocked, it was deleted. Please see the note left on your talk page and WP:NOTWEBHOST, as the page was deleted for WP:NOTWEBHOST violations. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:38, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
I apologize for my mistake. Could you please assist me in identifying which content needs to be removed from the user page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shree Shree Shambav (talk • contribs) 13:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
@Shree Shree Shambav: I'm sorry, I review a lot of pages and I cannot recall what was on your page. I'm also not an admin so I cannot review see pages that were deleted, so I cannot tell you exactly what was wrong with it. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shree Shree Shambav (talk • contribs) 13:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Speedway redirects and page pending

Hello Hey man im josh, thanks once again for checking my articles. I noticed a message about redirects, Do I need to do anything different or is the way that I am doing them OK?

P.S I don't suppose you could have a look at Draft:Helge Brinkeback when you get a minute. It has been reverted back to draft twice and I don't get why. There are several book refs that are listed with info about him, as well as various listings elsewhere. He is not going to be found on any recent web pages (such as a team profile) because he was in his prime in the early 1950s. He is the only Swedish champion out of 70 years of champions that is missing an article page. Any advice would be great. Have a good day. Pyeongchang (talk) 14:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Pyeongchang: The message about redirects was a good thing. I nominated for a pseudoright that marks all of your redirects as patrolled without humans having to do so. It's meant to help reduce the backlog of the New Page Patrol queue. As for your draft, I'm sorry, but I'm not an AfC reviewer. It looks like it was moved to draft space once and then the submission was rejected, not moved to draft space twice. You do not need to go through the AfC process and, per [WP:DRAFTOBJECT]], you are welcome to move the page back to the main space if you disagree with its draftification. If someone still disagrees with the article being ready for main space they would need to send the article to AfD. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
Many thanks Hey man im josh. Pyeongchang (talk) 14:32, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2023).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration

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TSL Infoboxes

Hi @Hey man im josh. Curious to hear your thoughts on TSL accolades being added to players' infoboxes? I notice a few players have these accolades in their infoboxesa and others do not. For example, Ryan Willis has TSL MVP 2021- but Bryan Scott does not. I brought up this topic - (here), but no one has responded. I feel as though any TSL awards/accomplishments should be added to these players' pages, as well-established + reliable sources have credited these players and their earned achievements on national television, as well as on the internet worldwide. I can provide examples as well if needed. Again, just want to give credit where credit is due. Would appreciate any insight and help here! Thanks! Vitaminwaterzero0 (talk) 19:01, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Personally I'm against it @Vitaminwaterzero0. It's essentially a minor / casual league. I'm okay with it being mentioned in the article, that's appropriate, but I feel as though it unnecessarily crowds an infobox. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your input @Hey man im josh. I responded to you on the NFL page you responded to. Again- I just want to make sure these guys are receiving the appropriate recognition. Vitaminwaterzero0 (talk) 19:30, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Mary Montgomerie Lamb Currie

Hi. You declined this (after I had created it) but is it not a redirect to a pseudonym? Or am I missing something? Ingratis (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Ingratis: I declined it because the request they made was a combination of the literary pseudonym (Lady Mary Montgomerie Currie) and their maiden name (Lamb). Not a big deal that you created it anyways, but I thought it to be unlikely. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Oh OK - thanks! I'll have my eye in soon so shouldn't need to keep troubling you. All best, Ingratis (talk) 21:58, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
@Ingratis: it's no trouble at all. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort and starting discussion is important. Even the most experienced users still ask for second opinions. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Wiseguy talk: Sonny Steelgrave and the Mob Arc

I want to know that why this page is blank? Can I nominate it for speedy deletion? Is it is created by you or you have only moved that page? ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 14:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I also want to know about Wanda Sykes talk: Tongue Untied. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 14:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey @LordVoldemort728: I know exactly what happened there. A script used at WP:AFC/R created the redirects as requested but apparently created the associated talk pages at the wrong location. I'm going to double check the requests I accepted to see if this happened elsewhere as well. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:16, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
As you know, I also create redirects. Can you suggest me any script for creating redirects easy? ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 14:19, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
@LordVoldemort728: Just those two and another page I had already fixed. Sorry about that, thanks for bringing these to my attention!
As for creating redirects, these were created based on requests at WP:AFC/R and processed with Enterprisey's AFCRHS script. There is a script for mass creating redirects, which I haven't tested, here. Beyond that, I don't script my redirect creations. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:23, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for giving name of scripts. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 14:26, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the EW notice

How I am edit warring?

Another guy is leaving misleading edit summaries to remove content he does not like[1] and making legal threats.[2]

By reverting such an editor, I am exempting from violating 3RR in real terms. Editorkamran (talk) 19:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read the edit warring notice that was left on your talk page instead of immediately removing it. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:21, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Found 16 times where the same text was re-adding to the article in question. Just wanted to note it here for my future reference, as this conversation is ongoing at ANI. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:32, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Take care when bundling RfDs

It looks like you nicked the <!-- Add new entries directly below this line. --> statement from the RfD page, which breaks Twinkle's ability to list new discussions. It has since been restored. signed, Rosguill talk 21:27, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

@Rosguill: Sorry about that. I need to just slow down sometimes to avoid these kind of mistakes. I appreciate Novem catching that and you reaching out to let me know. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Redirection

Hello dear, I hope you are having a great time, I saw the change you made in the redirection, I wanted to tell you that the contest called Miss Teen International in Ecuador started in 2014 as Miss Teenager International, the others were never called that way. I appreciate you helping me reverting the change, have a blessed day. Yahsabaot (talk) 14:41, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

@Yahsabaot: From some searches, it appears that Miss Teenager International is actually an ambiguous term used by several competitions. There's no real reason it shouldn't point to a disambiguation page that helps people figure out which of the relevant pages they're looking for. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Friend, if you redirect to the disambiguation page you will be changing the story of one of the contests, I recommend you read the talk where each of the versions of Miss Teen International was already discussed. Kind regards. Yahsabaot (talk) 15:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
@Yahsabaot: Can you link to the relevant discussion? It's not clear where you want me to look for this discussion. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Yes, with great pleasure, dear Editor. You can see in the following link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Miss_Teen_International, also see the history of the article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miss_Teen_International&action=history Yahsabaot (talk) 15:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Fair enough, I'll leave it be. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
That is very kind of you. Thanks! Yahsabaot (talk) 15:37, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Reply

Hi dude, just replying about your message about the opinion thing on the f1-22 page and I have to say that it is a public opinion that many people have made complaints about and feel is incorrect, I want people to know what the public and majority think about this game and help them make their decision or not to whether it should have positive or negative reviews, I am merely putting in the facts, thank Jtee09 Jtee09 (talk) 15:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

You need to keep it neutral when you edit @Jtee09. Our opinions need to be put to the wide when we edit and describing something as "greatly loved" is adding a non-neutral point of view in this context. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:42, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
When I said that I meant it, the thing I was taking about was greatly loved by the public and had been described in many reviews as the best part Jtee09 (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
It's an opinion that doesn't improve the article. See WP:Encyclopedic style and WP:IMPARTIAL for more information on writing in an encyclopedic tone Hey man im josh (talk) 15:49, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Why does it not improve the article? Jtee09 (talk) 15:52, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
In that context, it's nothing more than an opinion to state features were greatly loved. It's unnecessary puffery. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
It’s not it’s showing the fan bases view on the game and how it’s declined, it’s gives info, it gives opinions and it gives facts and if you thing I won’t keep pushing until it can stay then your wrong Jtee09 (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
I've pointed to multiple policies that are relevant, but I wanted to also point to the neutral point of view guideline. Simply put, you can push all you want but if you continue to add non-neutral opinions and content to articles then you will likely end up blocked. You are welcome to ask for a second opinion at the WP:Teahouse. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:02, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

‪Speedy deletion nomination of User:Dr Arif Akbar Khan‬".

Hello @Hey man im josh Can you please elaborate what exact changes are needed to my article.

All the information is completely correct. Do I need to correct any information that I added to my wiki page. Dr Arif Akbar Khan (talk) 07:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dr Arif Akbar Khan. You seem to have a misunderstanding of the purpose of a Wikipedia user page. It is to describe your accomplishments, plans and goals as a Wikipedia editor. It is not to post your professional Curriculum vitae, and it most certainly is not supposed to be a mock encycledia article. Autobiographies are strongly discouraged. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

"Deportations during the Great Depression" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Deportations during the Great Depression has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 11 § Deportations during the Great Depression until a consensus is reached. 64.229.90.172 (talk) 06:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Good nomination. I ended up G7 tagging the redirect myself based on the rationale provided. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:19, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thanks for your tireless contributions fighting vandalism, keep up the good work! - 𝑭𝒊𝒍𝒎𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔𝒔 (talk) 16:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for noticing and taking the time to give me a Barnstar, it's very much appreciated @Filmssssssssssss! Hey man im josh (talk) 16:10, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Well done, thanks for your tireless contributions for reverting vandalism, it is greatly appreciated and welly seen, I can't even revert that fast although I have rollback! Wesoree (Talk) 23:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the barnstar @Wesoree! I love my WP:Huggle for the quick reverts, automatic warnings, and automatic reporting =) Hey man im josh (talk) 02:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Your revert of deletion of personal attack by ෆාට් බුබුල

Why did you revert this deletion of the following comment by User:ෆාට් බුබුල?

Just because right wingers bitch and moan about left wing bias all the time doesn't make it true.

Review WP:TALK, in particular WP:TALKNO. User:ෆාට් බුබුල is personally attacking other users, not to mention an entire demographic, by claiming that they're "bitching and moaning" for raising an NPOV concern on a talk page. That's clearly unacceptable behavior, and a clear violation of WP:TALKNO. 2601:547:500:2090:15EF:937B:6523:C87C (talk) 23:30, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

  • The diff you are linking is not a personal attack in any way whatsoever. See WP:NPA. I would have put it back as well. That doesn't mean it is particularly useful, but we don't remove comments based on our subjective opinion of their utility. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
@Dennis Brown: To be clear, you're claiming that stating on talk pages that other users or [insert demographic] are "bitching and moaning about X all the time" in no way violates Wikipedia's policies? Are you willing to stand behind that claim? 2601:547:500:2090:15EF:937B:6523:C87C (talk)
Speaking from experience as both an editor and administrator, I am saying that is commenting on someone's actions, not on the individual. Personal attacks are comments that speak directly to the individual ("he is an asshat, a punk, a nazi") and not comments that speak to individuals actions ("He is being disruptive, is whining too much, is bitching and moaning"). It might be a bit rude, but isn't a personal attack as we define it here at Wikipedia. As for "standing behind my claim", that is a rather silly question. (See what I did? I called your question silly, not you. It's not a personal attack. But it is a silly rhetorical question.) Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:44, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
@Dennis Brown: So it's acceptable, in your view, to claim other Wikipedia users are "bitching and moaning" for raising NPOV concerns? And it's also acceptable, in your view, to claim that an entire demographic is "bitching and moaning about X all the time" on talk pages? 2601:547:500:2090:15EF:937B:6523:C87C (talk) 23:51, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
It's certainly not productive, but it's not a personal attack. I'd also like to mention that, per WP:TPO, we should not be refactoring other's comments. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:29, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Redirects

Hey, thanks for approving all my redirects. Nearly had a heart attack seeing 12 notifications on Wikipedia all at once 😅 :3 F4U (they/it) 21:49, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

No problem @Freedom4U, thank you for putting the work in to create them! It was definitely stressful for me a few times when I mass created a hundred or so redirects and they were all reviewed at once a month or so later lol. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:30, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

George II redirects

Just to say, thanks for all the quick approves. It does not go unappreciated :) Tim O'Doherty (talk) 16:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all. Thank you for putting the work in to make the redirects. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:50, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Category:FA Cup final players

Hi Josh, renaming to "Category:FA Cup final players" has gone through, but it looks wrong to me, as if these were final players for an FA Cup.

"Category:FA Cup finals" may be right, but the players played in a FA Cup Final.

Going further to "Category:FA cup final players" also looks wrong. I think the renaming should be reversed, along with referees and venues. – Fayenatic London 09:21, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Fayenatic london: What about "Category:FA Cup finals players" instead? FA Cup Final is capitalized, but based on a recent move discussion, the pages for the individual years (listed at Category:FA Cup finals) are not. So based on that, I thought it best to lowercase the word final in the categories as well. I agree with you about "Category:FA cup final players", I don't want "cup" to become lowercase in any of this, I'm just focused on the capitalization and plurality of the word "final".
I've been taking it slow to give a chance for people to oppose, but I've been trying to clean up categories and titles within Category:Association football finals. Do you have concerns just about the FA Cup categories, or do does it go beyond that? Hey man im josh (talk) 11:52, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
When a noun phrase is used as an adjective, it does not get pluralised, e.g. we don't have "Association footballs finals". So "Category:FA Cup finals players" is not right either.
A cup final is a final of the FA Cup, so only Cup needs to be capitalised in that name. However, a cup final player is someone who played in an "FA Cup Final" – i.e. the noun phrase that defines him is "FA Cup Final", so all of that is one proper noun, therefore all those words should be capitalised. The same goes for referees and venues. I think the only other ones are FIFA and FIFA Women's World Cup finals match officials.
If you agree, I can just reverse those five summarily. – Fayenatic London 16:58, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
@Fayenatic london: Once you pointed out how one could read "FA Cup final players" as the final players of the cup, it made sense to me that this was not the best category title, so I'm supportive of moving the category elsewhere. I'm struggling with the capitalization of "FA Cup Final" itself though. To me, the category name of "FA Cup Final players" implies that the proper name does include a capitalization of final but that's not in line with the result of the previous move discussion (though I see that FA Cup was left out of that discussion). So I'm having a bit of difficulty wrapping my head around the differences in capitalization still, which I'm sorry for. I understand what you're saying and the point you're trying to make, but the inconsistency between FA Cup Final and the individual year pages is what's causing my brain to feel like it's stuck in a logic loop here.
I've made a number of requests for the capitalization of "Finals" to shift to "finals" for category names in Category:Association football finals. Just so that I'm crystal clear, you don't have an issue with the rest of my requests at WP:CFD/S? I want to make the category and its pages more consistent but I've put it on hold based on this discussion. If it's just about the categories related to FA Cup then that's fine, but I want to know if I should be changing my approach to a wider set of articles and categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:31, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm fine with all the "Foo Cup finals" categories. It's just the "Foo Cup Final bars" that I think should have a capital in Final. I've only spotted 5 of those: 3 based on FA Cup Final and 2 based on World Cup Final. – Fayenatic London 17:52, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
@Fayenatic london: Ok great, fair enough. Based on your explanation and experience, I'll concede. Please do feel free to move the categories to where you feel is best, I won't contest the moves in any way. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:01, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. In fact there are 6 such grandchild categories of Association football finals: 3 based on FA Cup Final, 2 based on World Cup Final (which should also be de-pluralised), and Welsh Cup final venues.
I may need to take some of these to a full CFD. – Fayenatic London 18:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Sorry about that and for creating extra work for you. I always work to make sure I don't make the same mistake again, so hopefully that's the last of it. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:06, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey, no apology needed! I do look at CFD/Speedy, but it's been so full lately that I did not spot these issues in time to oppose the first renames. – Fayenatic London 18:09, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Query

Hello, Hey man im josh,

Hey, Josh, what are you doing next Tuesday during the 18:00-19:00 UTC hour? If you look at the upcoming G13 soon list for that day, we have over 400 drafts expiring during that hour! I usually edit Wikipedia at that time but I will be at the hospital where my mother will be undergoing surgery. She's in her 90s so every surgery at that age is pretty serious.

I know it's a big ask but do you think you'd have time to review and tag this huge pile of drafts? They usually get deleted quickly once they appear in a CSD category but someone needs to go through them. You'll add hundreds of new entries on your CSD log but I can't promise any other reward. I've posted at the editor's page who did this AWB-facilitated mass editing so there might be some intervention before next week but right now it looks like one exceptionally busy hour surrounded by lots of very normal hours in the day. Just thought I'd give you a head's up in case you could help out here. Thanks for all of your help on the project. Liz Read! Talk! 03:27, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

In case you have any talk page stalkers who want to help out next Tuesday, please remember to post a notification on the talk page of the draft creator when you tag the draft. That's what really matters to me and Josh does it perfectly. Liz Read! Talk! 03:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Liz: What am I doing? It sounds like I'll be tagging pages for G13 on Tuesday between 18:00-19:00 UTC. I'm so sorry to hear about your mother, I understand how stressful and serious that can be. This isn't a big ask at all so don't even worry about it, I'll take care of it =) Hey man im josh (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
It looks like they're made an edit on most (all?) of the pages that were updated in that time frame. Guess it's not going to require as much attention! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:23, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I just spot-checked a few and it looks like they have been delayed another 6 months...so, I guess we will be going through this all again on April 12, 2024 October 12, 2023! If you want to check a few, that's fine but this hobby shouldn't cause stress or take over your life. Any drafts that weren't edited will show up on that nights User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible list and we can handle them then. More importantly, I've asked BD2412 to not use AWB to edit drafts...doing mass minor edits with that editing tool is how we ended up with over 400 drafts expiring over the same few minutes. As I'm sure you have noticed, when the draft creators are brand new editors many drafts aren't edited after they are created, so any mass edit will likely be the last edit to the page and determine the future expiration date. We've had some uses of AWB on drafts but it has typically resulted in a group of 40-70 drafts expiring at the same time, never hundreds. I've met to talk to other editors using AWB but it's hard to criticize an editor who has good intentions and is trying to improve drafts. Luckily, I've only run into this happening a few times over the course of a year. If it was happening more frequently, I'd be more pro-active.
Any way, thanks for all of your help and your willingness to take this problem on. Looks like we'll deal with it in another 6 months! Liz Read! Talk! 01:57, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
I understand why BD2412 did that but it does cause a bit of a log jam when G13 time comes. Similarly, as you said, when other AWB mass edit drafts. Their hearts are usually in the right place, so I usually just shrug it off.
Of course, happy to help! Future me problems, those are my favourite. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:56, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Turns out that I had a lot of time on my hands in the hospital waiting room. But I didn't check out any of those 420 drafts. Unfortunately, I'm editing on my phone, which I hate (no cut and pasting comments or links) but I can still do basic admin/editor tasks. Surgery went well for a person of her age. I'll be happy when we get her home. Take care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liz (talk • contribs) 20:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm glad to hear it went well, I always feel like I can finally breath again after people come out. Luckily nothing ended up coming up on User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible, so I think BD2412 didn't miss any when updating the drafts. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

April 2023

Please review the pages: Willian Fichtner Meilin Lee Clarence Callahan ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 12:24, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey @ErceÇamurOfficial: Please do not reach out to members of the New Page Patrol team to ask them to review your pages. There's a backlog that exists and someone from the team will get to it at their earliest convenience. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

need help

can you improve my article MICHAEL 942006 (talk) 14:24, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry @MICHAEL 942006, but I've got too much on my plate to assist. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:25, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
can you tell someone to do this
or
tell me what is my mistake
please MICHAEL 942006 (talk) 14:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
@MICHAEL 942006: Read the concerns that were listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iruthayaraj. If you're looking for help on how to do things the best place to go would be the WP:Teahouse. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

2023 Pan American Racquetball Championships

Thank you for reviewing this article that I created. It's now been nominated for deletion, which I find ridiculous, especially as it's the qualifying event for the 2023 Pan American Games. If you could comment on that nomination - hopefully in favor of keeping it - I'd appreciate it. I've added references to non-primary sources, which I guess the lack of them was the basis for the nomination, so hopefully that will appease the nominator and maintain its status as an article on significant event. Thanks again. Trb333 (talk) 03:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Trb333: You should not be asking users to come and vote to keep your article, it's against policy. Please read over WP:CANVASSING. Standard practice for the New Page Patrol team is to mark articles sent to AfD as reviewed, as they're effectively undergoing a community review. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Oh, my apologies. Trb333 (talk) 15:02, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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Deletion tag on Tamal Hadiul

You reviewed the page even after the page had a deletion tag. A user added this tag unnecessarily, but now the page has been properly corrected. Should the deletion tag be removed now? Olafrozen (talk) 13:15, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Olafrozen: Standard practice for the New Page Patrol team is to mark articles sent to AfD as reviewed, as they're effectively undergoing a community review which means members of the team should not spend time reviewing the page. You cannot remove this type of deletion once it's been placed. The discussion at AfD must be allowed to play out. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:28, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
But the discussion page has been freezed. The user who added this tag he/she is also absent from the show, he is not giving any decision. What to do in this situation? An important page cannot be left for a long time by putting unnecessary deletion tags. Olafrozen (talk) 13:42, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
@Olafrozen: The user who nominated the page is not the one who makes any decision, they are the one who opened the discussion for community input. The discussion at AfD is meant to last for a full 7 days to give users a chance to weight in before someone, usually an admin, will close the discussion with a decision (see overview of the AfD deletion process here). You must not remove the AfD notice, per WP:EDITATAFD. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:50, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Need Help

Hello Josh, Can you hep me improve the page Nasrat Khalid, that I added a few days ago, it is is being considered for deletion. I spent a lot of time in writing and editing that page. Keepcalmail (talk) 06:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Keepcalmail. I'm sorry but that article is not something I'm interested in working on. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Meyami Rural District in Meyami County

I fear one of my redirects may have gone terribly wrong. I intended to move Meyami Rural District (Semnan Province) to Meyami Rural District (Meyami County). Autofill made me go to Meyami Rural District (Miami County) before I realized the mistake. I love Miami, but I don't want it to have this piece of real estate. So I tried to make it better and perhaps failed. The page is correctly titled now, but I'm not sure how to make the Meyami Rural District (Miami County) go away. I'm sorry for the trouble, but thanks for doing a lot of speedy work on my contributions over the last few months. Brightkingdom (talk) 18:14, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

It's no trouble at all @Brightkingdom. In situations like this where I've made a similar mistake I'll usually add an A7 CSD tag (with a note that it was a typo) to the page. Are you familiar with CSD tagging, or would you want me to do it for you? Hey man im josh (talk) 18:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
I've only read about it recently, and I haven't added it to my editing brain, thinking, "Why would I need that? I'm really careful." Gulp. If you could do me a solid and tag it for me, and take a moment to explain what you did, that would be great. So sorry to butt in on your busy day. Thanks again! Brightkingdom (talk) 18:32, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Brightkingdom, it's no bother at all. It's hard to know everything on Wikipedia and I'm a believer that helping others has a net positive ripple effect. I use WP:Twinkle for my CSD tagging, but in this case, the tag that I added was {{db-author}}. I included the rationale parameter before the closing bracket to explain that it was a request on my talk page, as I'm not actually the author, and pointed to the dif where you asked me to tag it. Here's the dif with my edit where I tagged the page (while it's still live). Hey man im josh (talk) 18:43, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Much appreciated. Yes, the db author was a good move, but I was worried it might break something. Thanks again for your clean and quick solution. Happy spring, and good luck with your eternal backlogs. Brightkingdom (talk) 18:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
The db author technically breaks the redirect while it's applied. But I did also change the target of Meyami Rural District (Semnan Province) here so that nothing would be broken. It was the only page pointing to the redirect that I nominated. Thanks, you too! Hey man im josh (talk) 18:56, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the Rodgers edit

He’s pretty much known for it. Eg224 (talk) 19:57, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

@Eg224: As mentioned in my revert, it's unnecessary commentary and this edit was not an improvement. While we're on the subject of edits to the Aaron Rodgers article, I noticed this edit you made and I wanted to remind you to keep things neutral. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:00, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

thank you!

Just wanted to say a quick thank you for all the reviewing of redirects! I keep seeing your name in my notifications and I always appreciate it. — Moriwen (talk) 20:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all @Moriwen. Thank YOU for putting the effort in to making those redirects! Hey man im josh (talk) 12:22, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Anitha hijacking

Thanks for spotting the Anitha hijacking! I can't believe I missed it considering I was cleaning up a previous article hijack by this editor. For your relentless efforts, you deserve a poutine. -- Whpq (talk) 13:42, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

I tagged it with CSD too and almost missed it, I just happen to be reviewing redirects and found Anitha. Mmm poutine, thanks @Whpq! Hey man im josh (talk) 13:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

How was the Russ edit not neutral?

Having a hard time seeing your take on this I re read it over and it seemed fine. Eg224 (talk) 17:47, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

I’d anything I think giving them credit for a dominating win takes weight off of the loss the next year Eg224 (talk) 17:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
If that’s not where the issue was idk. Eg224 (talk) 17:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
This is pretty clearly not neutral language and MOS:PUFFERY, which you seem to be adding to quite a few NFL articles. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
I didn’t realize words like dominating and legendary was “puffery” so my bad. This is the first time I’ve heard of this term. Eg224 (talk) 18:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Smassis/Nelda lee

Hello Hey man im josh. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Smassis/Nelda lee, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A10: Part of a wikiedu assignment, and clearly meant to be a userspace draft. Thank you. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:36, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

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2022 Oregon Senate election

Hey Josh, while usually omitting the "state" from the title would be correct, in this case the body's name is "Oregon State Senate". "State" is not in the titles of the corresponding House articles because the House is just "Oregon House of Representatives". Heavy Water (talk • contribs) 15:45, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

That's good to note, thanks for making me aware of this @Heavy Water. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!

... for reviewing all those #Redirect articles. I honestly don't know how many of them will ever be used... but, as with many other redirects, they're there just in case someone searches for those alternative/inflected names first, to save them repeated varying searches.

Question, by the way: "Hajdučka Republika Mijata Tomića" got deleted, or rather, merged/redirected into "Blidinje plateau#Hajdučka Republika Mijata Tomića", for 'lack of [documented] notability'. I was starting to look at what hadn't been but could be successfully made RS citations — somewhat disadvantaged by my not being a native reader of Croatian, Bosnian, or Serbian (the sources' languages) — when the original page died. I'd love to keep working on the article in draftspace, possibly under my userpage, to try to meet the notability requirements... but I don't want to just copy-and-paste the text, thus losing the previous editors' credits. Is it possible to copy the full file (credits/history included) either to "Draft:Hajdučka Republika Mijata Tomića" or to "User:.Raven/Draft:Hajdučka Republika Mijata Tomića"? Or else move it, and create a new redirect in its place? The version I'd need, the last before its being turned into a redirect, is [3] for the article; and the still-existing current version [4] for its talkpage.

Please let me know about whatever options I have. Thanks again! – .Raven  .talk 23:42, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @.Raven: No problem, thank YOU for putting the effort in to create those redirects!
So your concern is focused on preserving the page history (a good concern, which I personally appreciate). It's a good question, but there's no way to duplicate the page history, you can only ever have it in one place. So, given that this is the first time I've considering this situation, I'm not 100% confident in the answer I'm about to give but you could probably create the draft, use an edit summary to explain that you're taking the content from the mainspace version's history, then, when the article is ready, request a WP:histmerge. If you did this it would be clear you're trying to act in good faith, but as I said, I'm not 100% that this is the proper way to go about it. I'd recommend that you ask at WP:Teahouse or get a second opinion. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
Okay, useful info! Thanks again! – .Raven  .talk 05:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Elemimele at the Teahouse suggested a very diplomatic approach to deletion review; that page in turn suggested starting with the AfD's closer — which I have now done. I'm grateful to both of you for the pointers. – .Raven  .talk 06:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2019 Esports standings templates

A tag has been placed on Category:2019 Esports standings templates indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz Read! Talk! 18:03, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2018 Esports standings templates

A tag has been placed on Category:2018 Esports standings templates indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz Read! Talk! 18:04, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

"Winton Wanderers F.C." listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Winton Wanderers F.C. has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 13 § Winton Wanderers F.C. until a consensus is reached. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

CSD G13s

Hey, Josh,

Just thought I'd let you know that six months ago, there was a daylight savings time change in North America. So, the times from six months ago are an hour off from their expiration time today, in May. For example, if the last edit on a draft was at 8:10 am local time, that means it can be deleted or tagged for deletion at 9:10 am local time. But I believe you go by UTC time so perhaps this won't be an issue. But I had to do a double take today when the times seemed off this morning.

Hope all is well with you! Liz Read! Talk! 16:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up @Liz! I do by UTC time, I have it ticking in the top right corner all the time now and use it to double check. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

pause

Hey man im josh, due to [5] I'm going to 'pause' (BTW I did a few today so I think I'm even with you) ...however its not fair to you if you have more redirect/totals, Ozzie--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:58, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ozzie10aaaa: I hope you're not pausing for me! My comment is not because I'd be upset to not be in first place (I would actually love for someone to overtake me), but because I don't want someone to believe they're in first place, then when the final count comes in, find out that they didn't actually review the most redirects. I think it would really suck, which is why I want the table to accurate throughout the drive. I pinged you because it seemed like you were trying to make the push for first and If you do want to try to beat me I encourage you to do so. For reference, the current numbers can be found here (I just ran it). If you use Quarry at all you could fork this query and update it whenever you like, but if not, the link will only be updated when I update it. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:13, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
the numbers[6] dont reflect you should be ahead by alot thats why I 'paused' because its not fair to you (what if it were me in your shoes), whenever they correct the numbers I'll start again, good luck, Ozzie--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:20, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
@Ozzie10aaaa: The numbers will be updated for the end of the drive, whether it's done manually or by bot. If you are trying to fight for first you're not giving yourself a fair shot at it if you're waiting until the bot is counting redirects properly. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:22, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
seems the numbers were updated[7],(starting again)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:08, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
The table updates hourly but unfortunately it still doesn't reflect the proper number. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:25, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Ozzie, please don't pause reviewing because of this. After the caveat was added above the leaderboard, all participants are now aware of the situation, and shouldn't complain if they go down a bit in the ranking (when the situation is resolved). This is more true for you and Josh, since you've commented (and are watching) that conversation on the Drive's talk page. I'm not sure how long it will take to wrap up that discussion and fix the bot, so, to reiterate, please don't pause. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:18, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
@Ozzie10aaaa: leaderboard is now fixed. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:21, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm glad the issue has been resolved, and that the redirect backlog has gone significantly down (and to have contributed to some degree in its elimination), good luck, Ozzie--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:28, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Commonwealth Coast football

Shouldn't the page be named Commonwealth Coast Football since that seems to have been the official name of the league? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @BeanieFan11. Part of the reason I didn't view it as a proper name is because the abbreviation was CCC for Commonwealth Coast Conference and college conference pages don't typically capitalize the sport in article names. I found this to be the case for most conference football pages and categories in Category:NCAA Division I FBS football by conference. I also noticed that Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference had all their sports categories and pages with the sport as not part of the name lowercased.
However, I did just find one of the article references[1] refer to the conference as Commonwealth Coast Football Conference, which would actually be a proper name that should be capitalized (similar to Atlantic Central Football Conference). I also found a reference from the same website[2] which refers to the conference as Commonwealth Coast Football. At this point, I'm not really sure which one is the best article and category name.
I removed my request for renaming Category:Commonwealth Coast Football until we can sort this out. While I did propose changing the category to Category:Commonwealth Coast football, I wonder if it would make more sense at Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference football based on the other categores in Category:Commonwealth Coast Conference. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Question

Hey Josh, sorry for the random message; I noticed this page earlier today... any idea what happened here? I know this particular player didn't make the 49ers roster yet, but I wanted to take a look at the deletion discussion (if there indeed was one.) Thanks!! SPF121188 (talk this way) (my edits) 13:50, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Spf121188, are you on mobile by any chance? I looked at the history and it looks like about 18 edits have been suppressed. I'm able to see most of the discussion based on this this dif though. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:55, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Oh man, I think I had the wrong person. There's a football player from Shepherd who was signed to a priority FA deal right after the 2023 NFL Draft, and I thought there was an article for him already.. I must have been mistaken. That's my bad! SPF121188 (talk this way) (my edits) 14:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Ugh, my new job has me off WP more than I used to be... his article is here. If only there were a facepalm emoji for me... hahaha I can be dense, please forgive me. Good to talk (or type) again though! SPF121188 (talk this way) (my edits) 14:32, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Hahaha it's all good! These things happen. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Closed too early

Hi, it appears you closed[8] the ANI discussion not too precisely, because the editor has not been indeffed (their TPA got revoked, but it's still a week's block), and also they have now resumed attacks through a sock[9]. I believe the ANI discussion should not yet be closed. Will you undo your close? Cheers, — kashmīrī TALK 17:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Woops, my bad, sorry about that. Thank you for pointing my mistake out to me @Kashmiri. I've re-opened the discussion, per your request. Sorry to see that someone is going after you, I hope it works out and is swiftly dealt with. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Cheers, mate. — kashmīrī TALK 18:06, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
The thread can be re-closed now – Abecedare has indeffed both the master and the sock. Cheers! — kashmīrī TALK 18:12, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Ressourcement

I see you or your bot reverted the change of this redirect to a stub article. Did you read the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism § Nouvelle théologie vs. Ressourcement theology before doing so? If you had you would have seen that there is a consensus that 1) the redirect is factually wrong and 2) a replacement with a stub article was the correct beginning of a correction. Why does your opinion outweigh a consensus? Furthermore, I documented where the discussion happened, so why did you not go there and express your concern? "I think this change should be reverted because it is better suited to being a redirect until the page could be expanded and sourced" and get a consensus on the revert would have been the proper way to go.Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 18:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tfdavisatsnetnet: I think you need to take a step back and remember to assume good faith before approaching editors with the combative and inappropriate attitude that you've just approached me with. No one's opinion outweighs another and I never behaved as though my opinion is more valuable. It's quite common for new page patrollers to revert short stubs with poor sourcing back to a redirect, and that's what I did in this instance. Furthermore, it's disingenuous to state that you have consensus and behave as if I'm going against the wishes of dozens of editors when the conversation linked is mostly a back and forth between you and another editor, with one chiming in with a question, and another (Veverve) seeming to oppose a split.
I do not feel strongly about this subject, so I'm not going to fight you if you want to revert my edit at Ressourcement. You may still run into issues if you do not fix the lack of citations. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
I apologize for my tone (yes I need to step back). And I agree with you that citations are needed, and I am not up to speed with the subject enough (heck, I was trying to learn about it when I originally discovered these problems with the article). I will have to study the recommended sources to get the citations, and I will revert the reversion once I do. I actually was hoping to add some citations in the next day or two. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 19:06, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Tfdavisatsnetnet, I appreciate your acknowledgements. I want to be clear, I am not at all opposed to the creation of the article and I do hope you get it up to a point where it will not be sent to AfD. I wish you the best of luck in doing so and if you want to avoid the possibility of someone else reverting it to a redirect you could always work on the article in draft space or in a sandbox of your own. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Would documenting the reason for the change in the Talk page help avoid a future reversion? I find WP collaboration to be hazy at times.Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 19:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
@Tfdavisatsnetnet: I understand the difficulties that sometimes come along with collaboration, but yes, the talk page will help in some cases (for those users who happen to check it). Something else that might be useful is Template:Under construction. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Page moves

Hello Josh,

You might want to slow down on your page moves regarding U.S. political districts. There will probably be objections to abbreviating "State Senate" to just "Senate" as that can easily be confused with U.S. Senate and "State Senate" is the common term associated with this office. I wouldn't want to see all of these dozens of page moves reverted. So you might want to pause for a day and see if anyone objects to what you are doing. I was initially confused by your page moves as when I see Indiana Senate I think of the U.S. Senator from Indiana, not a State Senator from Indiana. Just a suggestion before you go through all 50 states here and do hundreds of page moves. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 20:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Liz: That's probably a good suggestion. I stopped for a few days after my last batch and I'll take a break from it now. Perhaps I'm pushing it a bit too much today, but I'm trying to align the pages and categories with the titles that are at the main articles listed under Category:State upper houses in the United States. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:04, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Service awards

Hey josh im garrett. ;) I noticed you working out there, checked out your user page, and wanted to offer you a slightly easier way to keep your service award(s) up to date. I made the change on your user page; all you have to do to maintain it now is update the `edits` parameter in the templates I added, and the awards will automatically be correct.

I decided to be bold and make the change, telling you about it here, because I figure you can just revert it if you don't like it, and I won't be offended. But I also thought there might be a chance you'd appreciate it. Anyway, happy editing — Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 19:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Garrettw87. It's a useful change, and I appreciate the thought and effort, but I've reverted it because of personal preference. I'd rather the awards be static for myself personally. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Please removed the afd tag

Hi, sir you have reviewed my article named anurag halder. It's been 10 days the page has afd tag. Still not removed. My article about the person is verified. Please request you to do something to save my article. Thanks in advance. Cinefilestudio (talk) 10:24, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cinefilestudio: A few things...
1) Your article has been relisted, meaning that the discussion hasn't quite reached a consensus and the time for discussion has been extended. The tag must stay in place until the discussion has concluded.
2) I cannot do anything to save your article, aside from vote.
3) I should not vote on the discussion because of the WP:Canvas policy.
4) While I understand that you feel like it's "your" article, no one owns content on Wikipedia.
Your best bet for saving the article is continued improvement of it. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Understand sir. I'm improving it time to time also my article is centered on subject matter written on reference. You also know that. Ita a unnecessary tag. Anyway thanks. Cinefilestudio (talk) 13:56, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
We'll see. It was deleted at AfD once before. You should also strike your second vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anurag Halder (2nd nomination), as you can only vote once per discussion per WP:AFDR. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:03, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Yes. I agree that it was deleted once before. It was a poorly written without good source. But this 2nd one have high quality evidence and proof. Please check the differences between them. Lot of improvement and references. And about 2nd vote i wasn't know that. It's a mistake. Cinefilestudio (talk) 19:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

SOS!

Hello! You are the most recent person to review the article Damalas and I need your assistance... The page which is well sourced has been under attack by people from reddit. They only seem to care about English sources and disregard sources that are in Greek and a few other languages. I do not see how it is fair in any way to discount the validity of my research and mark it as a hoax, just because they themselves cannot read the source material. The article is on a Greek noble house, so naturally a lot will be in Greek...

I would appreciate it greatly if you could review the talk page on the aforementioned wiki and lend some assistance.

Many thanks. Chios historian (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Chios historian, I watch Hey man im josh's talk page from time to time, and thought I'd include this for you to read before going any further. SPF121188 (talk this way) (my edits) 13:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
@Spf121188 Thank you. My apologies, I misspoke. It belongs to everyone! Chios historian (talk) 13:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Chios historian: If the page is "being attacked" you could always request page protection at WP:RPP. With that said, it doesn't look like it's new or unregistered users making changes to Damalas, but is instead an experienced editor. I highly encourage you not to accuse others of vandalism when they are clearly not vandalizing a page. I'd start a discussion on the article's talk page and go from there, as Wikipedia is a collaborative effort and I do believe they are making edits in good faith. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi and thank you kindly for your response.
I have tried resolving this on the talk page but unfortunately it has gone nowhere. I do recognize that it's an established wiki account, but nevertheless they came from Reddit where they had jumped on a false bandwagon.
An acquaintance of mine that has an account there sent them pictures of pages in books; these were sources in the article from books that are not online (the point of contention). Yet they didn't seem to care and proceeded to go after it on wiki. I have uploaded the same pages and more to an imgur link and posted it on the talk page. This showed that the article is no "hoax" however they both stopped responding, when they had been responding routinely.
If anything it would have been more appropriate to request pictures of these pages versus assuming it's a hoax. Although I was not aware that it is my responsibility to do anything more than cite the book and page number (please correct if I am wrong).
I hope this sheds some more light on the situation and I appreciate and assistance that you can give. Chios historian (talk) 17:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
@Chios historian: It does look like there's been discussion on the talk page, but you need to be patient and let it play it out sometimes. I wish you the best of luck in getting things resolved. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 2022-2023 Ateneo Blue Eagles men's basketball team

Hello Hey man im josh,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged 2022-2023 Ateneo Blue Eagles men's basketball team for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles.

If you don't want 2022-2023 Ateneo Blue Eagles men's basketball team to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 18:12, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Vandal

I saw you speedily deleted someone I warned very quickly about a week or two ago. I just found another vandal IP account dedicated to nuisance edits that could use such treatment as well. I could report this to a noticeboard if you prefer, let me know. The user is at User talk:148.77.107.202. Check any of their user contributions. I hope I'm doing this right. Thanks. Kire1975 (talk) 17:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Kire1975. It looks like you gave the IP a level 4 warning on their talk page for this edit. You were right to revert and warn the user, but I think the level of warning that you gave was inappropriate, as it appeared to be just a test edit. I typically only jump to that level of warning when someone has spouted something racist or homophobic, so I'd like to refer you to WP:UWLEVELS. For a test edit replacing content with "hi", I'd typically only escalate by a single level. If an appropriate level 4 / 4im warning has been given, and the editor continues to behave disruptively, then yes, please do report them at WP:AIV.
Also, I understand you may not have thought that I am, but because of the way that your message is written, I want to be clear that I'm not an admin. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
There were five other vandalism edits this week here, here, here, here and here. I usually start with a level one warning and increase by one per offense, but considering this was the sixth vandal edit in a week, that's why I jumped straight to four. Is it possible to put more than one page in the warning code? That info is not apparent at WP:WARN2 where I got the code. Thanks for keeping me honest. Kire1975 (talk) 19:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Kire1975: The IP in question was actually just blocked by Widr (less than 10 minutes ago) for 2 years as a school block. I understand and follow your logic regarding using that level of a warning after seeing that many vandalism edits. I've found a batch of 5 bad edits sometimes and instantly jumped to level 2 or 3, so I don't fault you in the slightest for it. I do however try to WP:AGF and hope that someone simply doesn't know better. A single warning can often be enough, but the highest level warning can seem a little bitey to newcomers. It's even tougher with IP editors though because we don't actually know if it's the same individual. I wish Wikipedia was more of an exact science, but it's not, so we have to do the best we can to strike a balance of warnings as well encouragement. Your thought process makes sense, and I thought the same way before, but I've since tried to work towards being more patient which can sometimes result in more vandalism.
I haven't tried to put multiple pages in a warning code, but I'm sure you could if you wanted to edit a standard template after the fact. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
I put it on WP:AIV just over 10 minutes ago, so I guess they took care of it. Thanks for all the information. I always have a lot to learn. Cheers. Kire1975 (talk) 19:48, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
We all do, I just appreciate the attitude to be open to constructive criticism! Hey man im josh (talk) 00:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Sanity check

I don't want to fall afoul of WP:CANVASS, but I'm starting to wonder whether *I* simply don't understand the WP concept of consensus, or whether multiple other editors don't. The page section is Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2023 May#N'Ko script. The issue appears to be whether consensus is expressed by a raw !vote count (which I thought it didn't) or must take the validity of the reasons given into account (which I thought it must), as when a !voter supports/opposes based on an assertion that (a) is not factually accurate, and/or (b) even it it were accurate, would not affect the application of a convention, guideline, or policy. Would you please take a look and tell me if I'm being an idiot? Thanks! – .Raven  .talk 02:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @.Raven: You're right, closes should be based on policy and not based on a raw vote count. Unfortunately true "consensus" is often impossible to achieve, closers are often just doing their best and sometimes aren't experts in the areas they're closing topics in, and I understand where that closer was coming from. I don't think you're incorrect in your assertions and that's why it's difficult for me to respond to this. I think you've been right in a lot of ways on some things and I understand that it's maddening when you feel as though you're right and someone has been hounding you on a number of issues (I'm aware of some of the history between you and another user involved). At this point, even though I agree with you, I think it may be one you have to let go of and move on from so that you can live to fight another day. One of the toughest things I've had to come to terms with is that Wikipedia is not perfect, and sometimes the best thing that you can do is focus your efforts on areas that are less stressful. In short, I don't think you're being an idiot, I think it's a niche subject with a lack of participation and there are some arguments against you that are rooted in policy, even if I personally believe your argument is stronger. I do think that when others disagree enough it may just be something that we need to take a step back from, accept, and maybe try again to address a year or so down the road. People come and go, editors grow, and they may revisit the same subject they commented on a year later and have a different perspective and opinion. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:08, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Once again, thank you. I'm just sad that a real-world topic so many people care so much about (enough to celebrate a Day in its honor) can be a topic on which WP gets careless. On other topics we've seen fictional entries by editors get repeated in print by writers who trusted us to get our facts right – so what we do here has real-world consequences; it's not just a game in our own sandbox. I think that places real responsibility on our shoulders to, not merely wikilawyer, but actually try to learn and tell the truth – if we can verify it, as in this case we can. That's why I favor prioritizing "precision" over even "common"... because there are "commonly held" false beliefs being spread out there (2020 election, anyone?), and we shouldn't join in spreading them – which could contribute to events like 1/6/21. – .Raven  .talk 00:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Need to move a page but the target already exists

Hey, I see you reviewed one of my page moves in the past. Ince Gordon Dadds was recently purchased and the new parent renamed the firm to Ince & Co, which already exists as a redirect to the current article due that name being used previously. I'm much too busy to properly transfer content between the pages and update accordingly, would you mind taking over?   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Skywatcher68: This is what one would call a "technical move". Technical move requests may be submitted at WP:Technical moves. For future reference, you should not transfer content between the pages to move a page, that would be considered a Wikipedia:Cut and paste move which is something we always try to avoid. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

AN Talk topic RE: Notifications

Good afternoon josh (Josh? HMIJ? doesn't matter?). I started a topic at the AN talk page that was spawned from something you handled yesterday (15th UTC) that oddly enough popped up today (16th UTC). I wanted to get your input on it as you seem to have your hand on the pulse better than I do. I didn't ping you in the talk thread as I didn't want to seem remotely accusatory. GabberFlasted (talk) 18:50, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @GabberFlasted: Josh is good, HMIJ looks weird to me even though it is the initialism of my username. I replied on the topic. While I think they should have done so in a more neutral and civil tone, I do think that meets the criteria of giving someone notice about a relevant discussion. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

How did you do that?

Re your revert at Griffin Dunne here [10], how did you do that? I was in the middle of reverting the first vandalism, when the Wiki software said it couldn't save because a cite referred to a blacklisted domain (filmreference). So I commented it out and saved, then got an edit conflict with your complete vandalism fix. So the restored version has that domain in it. Did the software complain to you about the blacklisted domain? If so, what did you do to complete the edit? Curious. signed, Willondon (talk) 17:41, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Willondon: That's definitely weird. No, Huggle didn't complain at all about the blacklisted domain being re-added in my revert. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I've run in to this a couple times before. Stranger still, I just tried a dummy edit by adding a space, and it saved without complaint. Well, thanks for your reponse. Cheers. signed, Willondon (talk) 17:49, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Cole Beasley

Hello! Your script put a lot of text that was unrelated to the article on the page and I reverted. Just making you aware. Red Director (talk) 18:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Red Director. I see what I did. I have had AWB open while copy and pasting things between windows, and I must have accidently pasted that into AWB. I hadn't noticed because I'm just hitting save on the AWB run I have going, which shows a diff on my screen, and didn't have a reason to hit show diff a second time. Good news is my AWB run is properly configured, but it's not human-proof :P Hey man im josh (talk) 18:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For all these 2005 Hurricane haters. -Asheiou (they/them • talk) 19:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much @Asheiou, I really appreciate this! Wish I could have kept up the fight longer, but I had to take off for the day. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!

From, BloxyColaSweet
From, BloxyColaSweet

BloxyColaSweet (talk) 01:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:RFL Women's Challenge Cup finals

A tag has been placed on Category:RFL Women's Challenge Cup finals indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. Liz Read! Talk! 02:02, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Autopatroller

Have you considered applying to become autopatrolled? I would've thought you'd already have the right due to your involvement with reviewing new pages. – Meena • 16:32, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Meena: Autopatrolled wouldn't be an appropriate right me to apply for. I do not meet suggested standard of the prior creation of 25 valid articles, not including redirects or disambiguation pages. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Ah ok, wasn't sure if you had made 25+ but thought you would've done! Have a good day. – Meena • 16:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Unfortunately no, not yet. Maybe some day! Hey man im josh (talk) 16:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Articles Reviewed

Hello! I saw that you recently reviewed my articles which had recently been approved by another user from a draft. I just Atremari (talk) 14:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I don’t know why it posted when I wasn’t finished writing. I just wanted to ask what exactly that meant and wanted to make sure there’s nothing wrong or anything that I need to do. Thanks! Atremari (talk) 14:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Hey @Atremari: If your page is marked as reviewed it's a good thing. TheNew Page Patrol team reviews new pages and a short description of what we do can be found at Wikipedia:New pages patrol#The purpose of reviewing new pages. In short, your page(s) were marked as reviewed because myself (or other members of the team) believe the subject of the article is notable and is likely to survive a deletion discussion. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Oh ok thank you so much! Have a great day. Atremari (talk) 14:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Cause they are

creative and delicious! -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know a portmanteau could make me snacky, but here I am, wishing the vending machine had better snacks. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:SEA medalists in badminton

Hi.. I think there was mistakes while a bot moving per you request for Category:SEA medalists in badminton. The category title should be "Category:SEA Games medalists in badminton" . Stvbastian (talk) 23:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Stvbastian: Crap, you're right. I hope that's the only one that I did that with. I'm on mobile now but I'll run through the SEA Games categories later with AWB to double check. I appreciate you finding that and reaching out to let me know. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi!

How's it going? It's been a while since we talked. Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 13:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

It's been good, thanks for asking. I hope it's been the same for you as well @Dinoz1. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
@Hey man im josh: Thanks for your response! No problem, it's been all good here. I took a long break from Wikipedia, and eventually requested rollback and pending changes reviewer permissions (I got both!). Now, I use Twinkle to revert vandalism (thinking of switching to Huggle soon). Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 14:33, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Well congrats! I'm a big fan of Huggle, so I encourage you to give it a shot. It's a bit overwhelming at first, but I've found it to a fantastic tool. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:34, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! Yeah, the only reason i'm not using Huggle is because i'm using a school Chromebook to edit (darn online classes). It's good to hear everything's been going great with you :) Dinoz1 (chat?) (he/him) 14:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

The Game

please check my latest edit on that page. We (appearently) have 2 major topics. The Wrestler and the rapper. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 09:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

@ErceÇamurOfficial: Why are you reaching out to me about this? Hey man im josh (talk) 12:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
To find out if I inverter correct info ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 15:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Nice to meet you Josh! I'm Tom...

Nice to meet you Josh! I'm Tom... Thanks for your help! Pundit02 (talk) 12:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
For your many great contributions to Wikipedia. I was just looking at the top of Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits and did a double take when I saw you at 294th with 184,453 edits - I mean, how? (Yet I'm at a mere 26,894, placing me 4,130th :)) In just the past two months you've exceeded my entire career edit count, so here's a barnstar! BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
I mean, how? Largely with semi-automated tools and actions that result in 3-4 edits per action (CSD tagging - 3, page moves - 4 or more sometimes per move). Thank you so much for the kind words @BeanieFan11. I know I don't have to tell you, but I always like to mention that edit count is meaningless. I believe you've contributed more to the site than I have, and I'm very grateful for it. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
I see you've overtaken me a while back. Maybe I should start running my bot tasks on my main account. — Qwerfjkltalk 06:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Meatbot go brrrrrrr. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Redirects to list entries

I'm not sure redirects like Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects and categories#Redirect request: Guillaume de Montfort-sur-Risle are appropriate, given there isn't substantial coverage of of the subject at the target. — Qwerfjkltalk 20:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Qwerfjkl, hope you've been well. I was on the fence but I saw a scenario where those were possible search terms and felt as though it was a relevant location for a redirect to point to. They made sense to me, but I also subscribe to the philosophy that redirects are cheap and I wanted to clear out some of the requests that had been piling up. I trust your judgement on this, so I'll A7 them if you'd like, but I'd like to hear where you think the line should be for redirects from a person to a related article in which they are mentioned. I know the line is difficult to define, but if I'm making mistakes and need to adjust my perspective a bit I'd appreciate any sort of feedback. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
I asked this question at WT:RFD a while back and got this response, which may help. I'll leave up to you to decide; I'm not entirely sure about them. — Qwerfjkltalk 06:41, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
That was helpful to read and it's more or less where my mind is at. I don't believe there are better possible targets and I do believe they are possible search terms, so I will leave them for the time being. Thanks for reaching out about this. It's always helpful to consider these types of things. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Detroit Lions C/cheerleaders

Hi. Regarding this move. What's the rationale for this being a common noun? They call themselves by this title and capitalize it throughout their website.[11] And it seems to be consistent with the rest of the league: Category:National Football League cheerleading squads. --DB1729talk 12:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Db 01824: I was on the fence about it so I'll move it back. I may revisit it at a later point in time but I'll do so by method of a move discussion next time. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Yeah that might be best. So far I'm finding it both capitalized and uncapitalized in sources for most squads named simply by team name. ESPN seem to uncap it, so an independent source that supports common noun. That said, I have researched this only very briefly. --DB1729talk 13:14, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, there's definitely a mix of sourses out there for various capitalizations. It'll go on my "to investigate / do later" list. Thanks for reaching out with your concern @DB1729. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:16, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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