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Draft:Noise militia questions

ok--got questions regarding 2nd declination of Draft:Noise militia

---is a song getting the guinness world record for longest song 'notable'? editor TheBirdShedsTears said It appears notable per its Guinness Records in the 1st declination on 7/23. then editor Sahaib3005 says This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article question notability. i'm confused.

--are not the Guinness world record page this song is included in as well as the LI Herald newspaper who did a feature on the song and artist about the record.

please help clear this up. thanks! 613codify (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

 613codify (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

One problem is Guinness: the difficulty is that the Guinness Book of Records is notorious as offering a record for almost anything: you can have "most teahouse questions asked in ten minutes" if you want, Guinness will probably put it in there. As such, merely appearing in the Guinness book of records won't establish notability. You'd need to find some other source that underlines that the record really is a notable one, and not just Guinnessfodder. Ideally, you'd want a music critic in a magazine saying "this is notable as the longest ever song (according to Guinness)", because once someone independent and meaningful has picked up on it, that's evidence that the world really cares. Elemimele (talk) 13:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Replacing an Image

Hello, can someone please add this pic: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lujaina_Mohsin.jpg to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lujaina_Mohsin_Darwish Right now it's a couple pic and having a single portrait will be better. GONvsKillua (talk) 13:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Done. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Bodaskolan

could i be payed as a wikiedia editor. Bodaskolan (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Bodaskolan: Welcome to the Teahouse. By the Wikimedia Foundation? No. Everyone here volunteers to edit. Someone might reach out and offer payment in exchange for some editing, but then you'd be bound and restricted by Wikipedia's paid editing policy, one of which would be you virtually wouldn't be able to edit the pages in question directly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia itself (in other words, the Wikimedia Foundation) isn't going to pay you for editing Wikipedia. If you're getting paid to edit Wikipedia (as part of a job, for example) you should be aware of the policy surrounding paid contributions. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

list article chart

Hello again, Teahouse hosts--I've another question: How do I make the chart on THIS TABLE have columns all portioned as is the first section sub-titled 1577. The date column on the 1577 section is nicely formed so that the dates display well. However, all subsequent columns have a date column which is too narrow.

Please know this is my sandbox and I've not yet submitted the article. I'll do so shortly after I rectify this matter of column width. Most kind regardsHu Nhu (talk) 03:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 03:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: See Help:Table#Setting_column_widths. Just specify the columns the same width. Note that using pixel width "px" is discouraged in favor of percentages or em. If you don't know what an "em" is, see em (typography).

On a separate note, I'd not use thumb for the pictures in the table to get rid of that annoying border. Something like this: [[File:Plymouth Sound and Breakwater.jpg|200px]] ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, I will look into the table setting assistance you mention. I certainly appreciate that you took an extra moment and saw the problematic border--yes, it was annoying--and offered a most excellent suggestion. the 200px took care of the matter very neatly. Thank you for your kind attention. Most kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How does notability for software works?

I have come across several software-related articles in Wikipedia that have pretty much only primary sources and developer/user forums related-sources. One example would be Anki, there are several others in KDE Applications, which has tons of pages and its own category - and I just realized it has recently been proposed for deletion. I don't see anything that proves WP:N for these. From the looks of it, it is users and developers using Wikipedia as a resource for sharing things they work on, which is WP:NOT what Wikipedia is for. Am I missing something? Or should I propose pages similar to those for deletion? Thanks in advance. VdSV9•♫ 15:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

No, VdSV9, you're probably right: there's a huge amount of dross in Wikipedia that shouldn't be there, and you would be improving Wikipedia by dealing with some of it. But notice that "does not demonstrate notability" is not enough to delete an article - you need to do the diligence and establish that the subject does not in fact meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - see BEFORE. If an article is inadequate but salvageable, it can be draftified. --ColinFine (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, sadly, when things turn up at AfD, all it takes is a couple of determined editors to declare that the software is desperately notable, and a puzzled admin may be tempted to err on the side of caution and close the debate as 'no consensus' (which is true), in which case the article remains. If you come across a situation where a group of editors are apparently using Wikipedia as a resource to share things they work on, or promote them, then it is almost certain that those editors will oppose deletion, making 'no consensus' nearly inevitable. It is harder to change the status quo than do something new: Articles that wouldn't pass review to be created fresh, are nevertheless hard to delete. Elemimele (talk) 15:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Televion / Commercial Advertisments

Since television / commercial advertisements are also a part of any actor's or model's work. But are they considered and allowed to be mentioned here on Wikipedia if reliable sources are added? ManaliJain (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

If you're suggesting listing adverts they've appeared in like a list of shows, then no, Wikipedia doesn't do that. With reliable sources though, you can mention in prose that they've signed a multimillion pound contract, to be the face of Cooper's Creosote for the next five years. - X201 (talk) 14:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

And the usual measures of notability apply. Some adverts become almost works-of-art, permeating all corners of society, and infiltrating our culture (in the UK, SpecSavers, I'm looking at you, amongst others; the article on Toby Williams (comedian) quite rightly records his role as a short-sighted vet in the Specsavers adverts). If an advert becomes such a big part of our culture that the columnists of national newspapers write whole chunks about it, then the advert itself risks becoming article-worthy. Elemimele (talk) 16:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How to request edit of "extended-confirmation protected" page: OneCoin

•  Courtesy link: OneCoin

How would I go about requesting an edit or addition to a page? It would be great if a line could be added to the OneCoin page stating "not to be confused with Harmony One", or along those lines. I can see editors who have edited it in the past, but no way to contact them directly. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneCoin Jeffrice47 (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jeffrice47: You can follow this link to make an edit request on the article talkpage, Talk:OneCoin. Please be aware that edit requests are intended to ask for a specific change to be made, not to request access to the article itself. I'll leave a welcome note on your user talkpage in a few seconds. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How to propose a Category Rename/Redirect?

Hello, through a recent edit that showed up in my watchlist I would like to propose a category rename + redirect(?). Because a) I think it fits better, and b) is in line with other similar categories. How do I go about this? :) Do I post it on the talk page of said category or is there a more central place to do so? Thank you -- Mvbaron (talk) 06:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Mvbaron Hello, check out Wikipedia:Categories for discussion! You should also notify the creator and relevant projects. Twinkle automates a lot of that for you. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! That's perfect. -- Mvbaron (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Review Articles

 Sum565 (talk) 16:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Sir can you told my why my article are not approved Draft:Sheikh Jubayer Hasan But the same category player articles are alive on Wikipedia Shakhir Hossain this article and my article are related but my article are not approved. there are play same luge and also debut T 20 cricket

@Sum565: Other stuff exists is rarely a good argument. We determine notability on a case by case basis. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Stack templates neatly on Talk page

How do I get multiple templates to stack neatly one above the other on a Talk page, instead of floating superimposed on each other? Lee Choquette (talk) 18:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Lee Choquette: The two templates you're using there, {{Translated page}} and {{Connected contributor}}, aren't designed to be side by side. We usually put the translated template below the connected contributor one to make the talk page more compact. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Thanks, that did the trick! Now I know to play with the ordering next time. Lee Choquette (talk) 19:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Previous Created Page about a person Rejected and blocked for Same page creation again

Hello, username - Strange editor 2 I have Created a Article page 'Mohammed Shanooj' about a musician person, but it got rejected and deleted. But still after collecting lots of source, reference & news, i cant create same page again. Please Unblock me from Creating 'Mohammed Shanooj' page Strange editor 2 (talk) 18:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

You can create a draft and submit it for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Strange confirmed as sockpuppet of Mohammed Shanooj. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

That didn't take long. --ARoseWolf 19:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Getting An Article Posted.

 Courtesy link: Draft:Hiram A. Murray

I wrote an article about myself and my career, article title "Hiram A. Murray". Was wondering how do I get it posted? Is it in the review process? Hirmurray (talk) 16:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Hirmurray and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that Theroadislong left you some very good advice on both your submission and at your user talk page after you posted your question here. I would suggest consulting that information on how to proceed. Wikipedia strongly discourages the writing of autobiographies as articles here and many wrongly interpret Wikipedia as being a social media platform for them to create a "profile" by which they will generate more traffic their way. This is not the purpose or intent of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia with articles about subjects that receive significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources. To be blunt, Wikipedia does not want to know what you have to say about yourself but what verifiable independent sources have to say about you. (See WP:AUTOBIO, WP:N, WP:OR, and WP:V for starters) --ARoseWolf 16:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Huge amount of content, three itty-bitty references, heading toward Declined. And I am willing to bet a modest amount of money that Hirmurray, creator of the draft, did not take the three photos of Murray claimed as Own work.David notMD (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

First one looks like an executives profile picture. I'm not sure about the Marine Corps photo. The third one looks like it was taken during one of his interviews and may be copyrighted by whomever conducted the interview and the final one, now deleted, showing him and his family is cute but presented all kinds of BLP issues. In short, its possible it could be own works but it is equally possible one or more are a copyright violations. --ARoseWolf 19:54, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf How can any be "Own work" if the draft is by Hiram A. Murray and he claims he took the photos? None look like selfies. David notMD (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I guess its worth asking. Does "Own Work" literally mean it has to be a photo or picture taken by the subject or on a camera owned by the subject or just in possession of the subject? I've seen photo's added to user pages that were classified as "Own Work" yet are clearly not selfies. It's a valid question. --ARoseWolf 20:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Laurence Myers article contents appears in the wrong place

The contents section in the article I am writing has appeared in a different place. Not sure how that has happened...How can I move it back to the right area? Thanks for any helpVedlagt (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Vedlagt (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Vedlagt: Are you talking about the table of contents box? Don't worry about that, it is generated automatically and is only in the wrong place because of the draft banners. If your draft is approved the table of contents will be fine. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 22:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Laurence Myers

(edit conflict) @Vedlagt:  Fixed! GoingBatty (talk) 22:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Image Question

Can I upload this image? https://static.univision.com/fragments/noticias/home-locales/images/radio-stations/houston/depts-houston.png ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: You could use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard to upload it, which will prompt you for the article name and the appropriate fair use criteria. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

List of 3D films

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § List of 3D films

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:26, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello I have just one question and I was very unsure if this was the right place to ask. There's a particular page on Wikipedia called (List Of 3D Films 2005-Onwards) and there is a bunch of random IP address constantly adding things beyond 2021 which have no reliable sources. Is there a way the page can only be edited by certain users to prevent vandals from doing this again. Because it's getting really annoying having to constantly go through and remove these non-reliable adds. Signed MOVIEFAN2001 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MOVIEFAN2001 (talk • contribs)

You might want to check out requests for page protection! WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 02:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr_Georgios_Mikellides

Why this is not published yet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr_Georgios_Mikellides Ieromaxos (talk) 04:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

You need to submit the draft for review. I have done so for you. Kleinpecan (talk) 05:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Dr Georgios Mikellides submitted. could be soon or up to ten days to be reviewed. David notMD (talk) 05:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

4 months draft

I have created this content and it has been 4 months but still it was not approved. This is my first article here in Wikipedia. Can somebody direct me to the right path please. I made a few tweaks and is so far already satisfied. What am I still missing so it can get published? Thanks so much! Heimoore77 (talk) 06:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Heimoore77. You have not submitted your draft for review, so nobody knows anything about it. Please read the instructions at Articles for Creation, and follow them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:LVIT ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 07:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I see that Draft:LVIT cites no sources. Also, it would be helpful if it started by saying what a LVIT measures/senses, before going into technical details about how it works. Maproom (talk) 07:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Why are some pages protected?

I've noticed that many pages, particularly ones focused on people who have marketing deals are protected. Often, the marketing campaign is not listed on the bio page, which makes me wonder if the artists are paying a fee to not have these things reflected on their pages. Most recently, I noticed there was no mention of Bad Bunny's Cheetos campaign on his main page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Bunny, even though the ads are on heavy rotation on Amazon Prime Video. Given how major of a campaign it is, and given how minor other details are in his bio, the most obvious conclusion to someone who is new to editing, but not new to Wiki, is market-driven censorship.

Hope I'm wrong. 00sweeney (talk) 06:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It's usually to prevent people from adding ad copy to pages or unreferenced biographical claims. The latter is especially more common when we're talking about protected articles of living people. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@00sweeney: In addition to the above response, advertising campaigns are rarely included in biographies anyways because most of them aren't within the encyclopedic scope of Wikipedia. It's one of those trivial things where WP:INDISCRIMINATE or WP:PROMOTION is a concern. This isn't to say that it's impossible; if editors can come to the consensus that the campaign is something important enough in that person's career to mention, then that campaign be in there. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@00sweeney: If you view the article's edit history, just under the title you will see a link that is titled "View logs for this page". If you click that, you'll see the list of the technical things that have been done to that article, including protection. Near the end of each entry the admin that did the procedure should have given a reason, like "Persistent Vandalism" etc. - X201 (talk) 07:33, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hassocene and other superheavy compounds

Has there been any reports about new super heavy compounds like Hassocene? I saw on the Hassium page, "As of 2019, there have been no reports of Hassocene." This is like this for a lot of pages. I think its time to update them a little as its been a few years. UB Blacephalon (talk) 03:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blacephalon please try WP:RDS for questions about Hassocene, and either ask at the article talk page about whether it's time to update certain parts of an article, or just be WP:BOLD. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Biography Page

How do I write and publish a biography page for someone here. 2600:1702:3F10:4900:65E1:35F3:8D59:2140 (talk) 05:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP, if you're considering creating a brand new article, see WP:YFA, but know that article creation is very difficult for beginners. We usually tell newbies to edit existing articles to gain experience before trying to create a new article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:22, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, unless the person meets the demands at WP:BASIC, any article about them you try to add will be removed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

A question for Media that's in the Youtube platform

Not sure where I should ask but as far as I am concerned. Making a new article page would normally require a cite of where it's from but this gave me a thought, this being in a Youtube platform instead of the usual places. Would citting a content creator, which goes by losprimerosVIIVI, they reupload videos that pretty much sound techno and such. I am aware of the rule that entails somewhere in wikipedia but just wanna get my concern out of the plow. Sorry if I sound confusing, english is not my first language. Kaspatik (talk) 08:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Kaspatik Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'll give it a go. See WP:RSPYT. Per your description, it seems losprimerosVIIVI is not something that should be used on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Ah, I see, well. At least it answered on what I needed to know. (Btw thanks for welcoming me to wikipedia from earlier haha) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaspatik (talk • contribs)

incorrect redirection of  Katarina Erlandsdotter?

machine translation of sv:Lisa Erlandsdotter and  sv:Katarina Erlandsdotter given me impression that both of them are sisters. however here Katarina Erlandsdotter redirects to Lisa Erlandsdotter? 28july21 (talk) 08:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The en:Wikipedia L E article (excuse my abbreviations) actually states that she was the sister of K E. However, we do not yet have an article on en:Wikipedia about K E, so the text on the page titled K E consists solely of a redirect to L E since K E is at least mentioned there.

The solution would be for someone to write an English language article about K E and replace the redirect link on the K E page with its text. Obviously, the article would be subject to the usual en:Wikipedia requirement: these are probably more strict than on sv:Wikipedia (where neither article has a single citation), so a straight translation of the K E article there would not in itself reach the required standard. Note that the existing en:Wikipedia article on L E also lacks any citations and is flagged as such.

It seems likely that most useful sources for either sister are going to be in Swedish; this is permissable, but restricts the pool of reviewers who are going to be comfortable reviewing the new K E article and the existing L E article once improved.

I note further that their brother and colleague Sven Erlandsson, also mentioned in the L E article and presumably no less (or more) deserving of an article, is currently a red link. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.112 (talk) 09:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd say that the basic article at Lisa Erlandsdotter is on very thin ice because of its lack of references. There's nothing wrong with references being in Swedish, but a single source in a lexicon is a very bare minimum; it'd be more encouraging if someone else, somewhere, had written about the Erlandsdotters. (1) Yes, someone could write an article for Katarina (and also an article for Sven), but without more references/evidence of notability, it might not get accepted, so the problem wouldn't be solved; (2) I have removed the square brackets round Katarina Erlandsdotter on Lisa's article because Katarina is just a redirect to Lisa, which means that this is a circular reference, previewing the very page the reader is reading! That's confusing and unnecessary; if anyone ever writes a Katarina article, it would be time to reinsert the link; (3) But to my mind, the best solution of all would be to write a page for Lisa's art-form, bonadsmålning, which is already a red-link in Lisa's article. It is more likely that there will be referenced material to create such an article, and it would be possible to add a note in the bonadsmålning article that Lisa, Katarina and Sven were artists working in that medium. That might be more appropriate, if there is little else written about them. Any Swedish art enthusiasts up for the task? Elemimele (talk) 10:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I find the page I submitted?

I created a page yesterday called Eugenio Lo Sardo. I thought that I had submitted it, but now can't find it. Then, it wanted references: While the person is perfectly well known and has held government positions I don't know what references I can use, beyond, say, book titles on Amazon which seems a bit lame. Ideas? Elifent (talk) 14:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Elifent: Welcome to the Teahouse! At the top right of any Wikipedia page, click the Contributions link to see your recent edits. I see that your page is at Draft:Eugenio Lo Sardo. When creating a draft, you should first gather your reliable sources, then summarize what they say and use them as references. You can use newspapers, magazines, books, journals, and other independent published sources for references - and they don't have to be online. See Help:Your first article for lots of guidance. GoingBatty (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Translate

Hello! I am new here, but i use Wikipedia for such a long time. I am romanian, and my small problem is that i don`t always find articles translated in romanian as well. I would really like to take some of the articles that i find useful and translate them in romanian as well, but i don`t know if i am allowed. if someone can help me with this information, i would be grateful. Puccation (talk) 14:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Puccation, I'm sure you're allowed. But as what you'll be doing is at Romanian Wikipedia, you should ask about it there, as they'll know exactly what their rules are concerning articles translated from other Wikipedias. Maproom (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Puccation, and welcome to the Teahouse. Some ideas for translating articles from English to other languages are at Translate us; but as Maproom says, you need to know the policies of your destination Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 15:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help, my 3 hour work on some article got removed.

Work on article Penicillium maximae Some user named Diannaa had deleted my work few hours ago because of copyright issues. The article was stub that I edited on and also content required couldn't be found anywhere other than internet sources. Just say you found the same information about something in 500 pages of Internet and if some huge "ADMINISTRATOR" regardless had put that information rest assured his/her work will never be removed. I have never seen something like that. Its only with me that being a "new user" they discriminate and remove my content be it found anywhere on Earth. I am sorry if i am ranting too much but I will be pleased if you kindly look into this matter. Thank You. Sagardd234 (talk) 09:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Sagardd234 and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see the messages from Dianaa and others on your talk page, where relevant Wikipedia policies are clearly explained with links to further information.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:52, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It's not Diannaa, it's you. Wikipedia has zero-tolerance for content copied of only slightly paraphrased from published sources, even if those sources are referenced. Describe in your own words. David notMD (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Sagardd234,

... if some huge "ADMINISTRATOR" regardless had put that information rest assured his/her work will never be removed.

Absolutely not true. It is the case that the years of experience needed to become an administrator mean it is virtually impossible to achieve that status without an understanding of our copyright rules, so it's rare to see edits by administrator removal copyright reasons but that's because administrators rarely violate copyright. It happens on occasion (usually accidentally due to a misunderstanding of the licensing), but I guarantee that violations of copyright by administrators are not accepted. Diannaa happens to be our resident expert on copyright. No one's perfect but I've reviewed hundreds of her removals and haven't seen an error yet S Philbrick(Talk) 15:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

How to Create Infobox

I want to create infobox for Muslim scholar in one info box all details of scholar will be cover so please help for better information of Islamic scholars thanks KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

hi and welcome to the teahouse @KhanQadriRazvi! I believe {{Infobox academic}} is the relevant infobox for this. happy editing!   melecie   t 12:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

  @User talk:Melecie  Thanks But the I wnat to creat new, which one is combination of three or four infoboxes like academic, religious, person and office holder, so please help me how to crate infobox Thanks  KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 13:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@KhanQadriRazvi: You already asked this question at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Name change. Please don't ask the same question in two different places on the same day. Wikipedia used to have a separate {{Infobox Muslim leader}}, which was merged into {{Infobox religious biography}} - see this discussion. Per Help:Infobox#Designing an infobox, I suggest you propose your reasons for a new infobox to the appropriate WikiProject and gain consensus before designing it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

 @GoingBatty- It must have happened by mistake, I will take full care of this from next time, and Thanks for Help KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 16:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitting a draft and removing copyright deletion notice

Hello, the copyright has been removed, so the tag can be removed. It won't allow me, so can anyone do it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:J.T._Patten NPFictionLibrarian (talk) 14:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I contested the Speedy deletion, because the copyvios report did not appear to indicate a high percentage of content from the mentioned source(s). However, the Declined comment about copyvios must stay with the draft. David notMD (talk) 15:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @NPFictionLibrarian: Looking at the draft history, it appears that Awiniasurania324 didn't make any significant changes before resubmitting the draft for review. I suggest you click the "Duplication Detector report" link on the copyright deletion notice, and then change the first sentence of the "History" section - either rewrite in your own words or put it in quotes. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk)

That's valid. Separate from the question of copyright content in total, text taken verbatim from sources needs to be in quotation marks and referenced. 16:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

COKE LA ROCK

 144.121.102.245 (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question? GoingBatty (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help to add map

Hi, I am trying to add a proper map to the infobox but the code is unable to find the coordinates, even though it exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kamala_Beach HxH3 (talk) 15:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@HxH3: To put coordinates into Wikipedia, we use the {{coord}} template. The syntax is a bit tricky, so I've put it in for you. Is that what you want? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Improving an article on a sportsperson

Following the Olympics, I've been trying to improve the articles on a few BMX riders, but mostly Logan Martin (BMX rider). I don't know too much about him, but I've been sourcing and adding his competition results over the past few days. Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on how I can flesh out the article and make it more like a biography? DiamondIIIXX (talk) 05:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@DiamondIIIXX: Most of that article is a list of his achievements. While that is important, a Wikipedia article is much better in prose form. I suggest you to look at other biographies on sportspeople that are good or featured and see how the article body is written and mimic that style in Martin's article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:28, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

When I came across the article, it had an unsourced list of his achievements and a subpar infobox. I have since expanded the infobox, sourced his achievements, and added more ones. I thought it was a good idea to source everything then move on to the prose part after everything was "discovered" as there is not a concise list of his achievements. It feels like every time I search up a competition to source it, I find another few that I have to add to the list! DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@DiamondIIIXX: Thanks for your work on sourcing. I'm not saying the list of achievements is bad (quite the opposite, actually). It's just that a good biography should have prose about the person's early life, career, etc. You do have to keep in mind WP:INDISCRIMINATE and where exactly to draw the line; I don't typically edit in this area, so I'd reach out to others that do, maybe at WP:SPORTS. Also, I'd remove the red links in the infobox, at the very least the "Pannonian Challenge" one and the "NASS Festival" one. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help to review the draft, Laurence Myers

Could someone read the draft, Laurence Myers, and give some feedback in how to improve it? I have also been trying to find out how to make 'contents'.

Thanks! Vedlagt (talk) 20:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

You've already received extensive feedback, at the top of that draft. Which part of what you've received is unclear? However, in addition, let's consider the lead: Laurence or Lawrence Myers was born in Philadelphia on the 12th of December 1813 and passed away on the 19th of March 1884. He started his first iron foundry in 1835 at the young age of 22 years. (i) Make the dates "12 December 1813" and "19 March 1884" respectively; (ii) "passed away" is a euphemism for "died"; (iii) "the young age of" is editorializing (readers can decide for themselves that he was young). But these points are minor: no massaging of prose will make up for lack of content, which is something that you have to find, in reliable sources. If it can't be found, no article can be created. -- Hoary (talk) 21:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Vedlagt, It would help if there were evidence that the inventions were widely exploited. It would help even more if there was a full obit of him in a major paper. DGG ( talk ) 18:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Can you ask riddleson wikipedia ? 41.114.201.205 (talk) 18:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Only if they're good riddles. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 19:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Notable riddles supported by multiple independent reliable secondary sources (WP:N)? --ARoseWolf 19:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It depends where you want to ask them. In the Teahouse, sure, but in an article, it depends on what @ARoseWolf said above. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 19:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

They could always come to my Talk Page and ask them too. I love a good riddle and it is great for community building. --ARoseWolf 19:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

section removal

why was my section removed i did provide accurate citations and references some which ae used on many wikipedia websites thats why the info box with 5 millionsq kilometres territory should be restored Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa (talk) 19:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The section being referred to is found at Talk:Maurya Empire. --ARoseWolf 20:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Query about Elhiad Cufi draft

Please Can you check this article and help me out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elhaid_Cufi I'm new on creating articles on wiki. Adel Blue Krasniqi (talk) 19:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Created section title David notMD (talk) 19:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Adel Blue Krasniqi, I've done what I can to make Draft:Elhaid Cufi look like a Wikipedia article. But it needs a lot more work. Its biggest problem is the lack of citations of reliable independent published sources that discuss him. The first source cited doesn't mention him, and the second is a video of an interview with him, and so not independent. I don't understand Albanian, so I can't comment on the third source (another Youtube video). Maproom (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hu Nhu: Formatting Assistance

Hello Teahouse hosts. I've just created an article you may see Timeline of Francis Drake's circumnavigation. You may notice in the footnotes section that between numbers 70 and 71 that the format changes. I've looked it over and cannot find what the problem is. I am absolutely BLURRY EYED from writing and editing this article, and it is the first of such magnitude for me. So, I would appreciate any assistance one of you might have. Kind regards to all,Hu Nhu (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hu Nhu. I don't know for sure, but my thought is that something has run out of memory trying to process such a large number of {{sfn}} templates. You might like to ask at WP:VPT. Please add a header when you post a new topic here. --ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine. Sorry about the header--definitely my oversight.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: I think the template talk page might be a better place to start - I started a discussion for you. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I'll check the double pipe and then see how matters proceed from there.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: Are you refering to how some of the references show as "Turner, 2006" and some display as "Turner et al"? If so the issue is that you've added an extra pipe (this → |) to some of the references, e.g. on the 15th February section of 1579 you give the references as {{sfn|Nuttall||1967|p292}}{{sfn|Sugden||2006|pp125-126}}{{sfn|Turner||2006|pp131-133}} Note the double pipe after the author name. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 22:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

{{sfn|Drake|2005|104-105}} → {{sfn|Drake|2005|pp=104–105}} Others errors are similar; pagination requires named parameters |p= and |pp=.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Aha! The double pipe! I'll un-double pipe and see what happens.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Trappist the monk, the un-doubling worked on the et. al. You've a very discerning eye. Many thanks. Now I'll see about the odd inclusion of the & on others.

Hello Trappist the monk, Timtempleton, and ColinFine. I've discovered the rest of the problem--missing p=. Thank you all for your kind attention. Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Bullying of new users

Hi, I happened to see a pretty ugly incident yesterday between an older user and a new one. Briefly, the new user was viciously bullied and left Wikipedia because of this bullying. I left a support note on their talk page and was confronted by the same bully. An irrational allegation of sock puppetry was thrown at the new user and when they asked the bully to stop making unsubstantiated allegations the bully started a tirade that lasted hours across both their talk pages. The new user tried to end the argument many times but the bully kept hounding,harassing, etc. I was trying to make a small edit to the Takeshi Kaneshiro page and found all this in the history section. The bully has since changed their username and erased the harassment they carried out on their talk page, but the original allegation of sock puppetry against the new user they ended up abusing is still up. I don’t want to get involved since it’s none of my business but the support message I left for the new user made me a target too. I just want to make sure the bully doesn’t keep behaving like this. That’s all. Applehornet (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC). Applehornet (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Applehornet, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you see inappropriate conduct, then WP:ANI is the best place to report it - but read what it says at the top of that page first. --ColinFine (talk) 12:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Applehornet, if you need an admin to assist you in any ongoing discussion, you can summon one by adding {{admin help}}. The other editor you speak of is not exactly new, but they are not exactly old either. I doubt they have much experience outside of editing articles. You had best not judge all Wikipedia by what happens between two new users in a new page that no one experienced is aware of. Kazuha1029, please file a sockpuppet investigation or report them to WP:ANI if you are sure someone is a sockpuppet. If you are not sure, you have no business repeating your suspicion after the accused has denied it. Making accusations repeatedly without providing evidence violates WP:ASPERSIONS. Please take care not to WP:BITE newcomers. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:54, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Please note I have already disengaged from the conversation as per [[WP:BITE]. The so-called "bullying" is completely fabricated and the user above is a sock for Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Umbrellazebra. It's worth mentioning that the user also made sexist comments and discriminatory remarks which I decided to let it go as the user is new. The user proceeded to create a sock account (as above) to further substantiate this false claim. I see that at this point, I can no longer ignore this as this user is taking my willingness to concede as a sign that she can do whatever she wants.Kazuha1029 (talk) 15:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Same is happening with me. Their are two people's who are continuously accusing me of Sock puppetry and copying their style even if I hadn't copied their style nor I am having another account.Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk)

Hello Kishmish Hu Main Ok! Your userpage at User:Kishmish Hu Main Ok is almost an exact copy of User:ManaliJain. Where did you get the idea for it? Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Nobody is bullying you, @Kishmish Hu Main Ok: you really need to stop saying your partial tales here and there, everywhere. The sock puppetry case is already closed long back because the admins and the check user found no connections between the user accounts. And regarding your editing style, anyone who will have a look at your edits and contributions will make out what's true. You do get involve into plagiarism and you need to accept that. ManaliJain (talk) 14:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It seems that most of the major players in this discussion are fairly new or their accounts are fairly new to Wikipedia. Let me first, welcome you all. For those who are experienced, I expect you know the rules. Disagreements are not new to Wikipedia and we have all encountered them. When they begin to have a negative impact on editors and editing then other measures need to be taken to halt it. So, let's do this. Let's step back, take some breaths and re-evaluate the situation. Let's stop using charged wording in our comments towards each other, period. If we have concrete evidence that guidelines and policies were broken then there are venues for such things. Teahouse is not one of those. The sockpuppet investigation against @Kishmish Hu Main Ok and @ManaliJain was, in my opinion, a touch hasty. But that has been resolved so that needs to be dropped by everyone. The other issue between @Applehornet, @Kazuha1029, and @Umbrellazebra can, likewise, be resolved as has been instructed. I would caution all involved that their conduct and interactions between each other will be scrutinized and no one is above reproach. My hope is that you will find a way to resolve this without further intervention. Nevertheless, none of this is a content issue and none of this is related to the Teahouse other than that you have been pointed to the appropriate places to resolve the issue should you not find a way among yourselves. Please remember to assume good faith and understand the purpose for why we all should be here. Happy editing! --ARoseWolf 16:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

User:ARoseWolf: Thank you for your comment. I want to let you know that as an experienced editor, I am not new to disputes on Wikipedia and I have since taken the necessary steps by disengaging the conversation as per WP:BITE, WP:DR. The problem is that the user proceeded to attack my identity and make baseless claims (that I'm somehow bullying her after I pointed out she cannot just revert others edits without explanation or not engaging on talk pages), I admit I bit her. But I was angered because she made a sexist comment on my talk page assuming my gender and said that I would have treated her differently if she were a man. I proceeded to cite Wikipedia:English Wikipedia non-discrimination policy and given she was new, I let it go. But as you can see, even after my disengagement, she came on Teahouse and mislead other users such as yourself that there is somehow bullying, which she provided no evidence. Further, this account she is using is most likely a sockpuppet as per investigation ([[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Umbrellazebra). I don't want to continue on this any longer and have since stopped my discussion with this user. But her persistency in sabotaging my reputation and the continued harassment is something I can not tolerate. I much rather focus on editing and making Wiki a better place (which I've done since disengaging, while she focused on continuing disruption on Wikipedia). I ask if you all could please help me educate her that Wikipedia does not allow sockpuppets and how her behaviour is not adding any value to Wikipedia. Thank you all. -- Kazuha1029 (talk) 17:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi all, thank you for responding to my concerns. Not sure why the above user is still persisting in various allegations but I have no interest in getting involved. It was clear to me that they engaged in bullying behaviour towards an inexperienced editor and that’s all. I will not be responding to the above user whose behaviour leads me to believe that baseless accusations will continue to be levelled no matter what. Thanks to everyone else for their input. The above user behaved aggressively towards the newer user and this concerned me. I don’t condone bullying or victim blaming. That’s why I raised the issue and I have nothing to gain from this. If the above user wants to accuse others of sock puppetry to shift focus away from their bullying conduct that’s not my business. I believe I have been as reasonable as possible here. I’d like to say thank you to the Tea House for providing a safe space for this discussion. Applehornet (talk) 00:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC).

ManaliJain Usedtobecool Could you please tell me how my user page is similar as that of @ManaliJain ?Most of the people shows in their user page that They are from which country and their batches, which languages they know, their gender. And their are many other user pages also whose user page is same as mine. And tell me did ManaliJain has written in her talk page like she wants to visit S. Korea , she likes BTS and all How my user page is similar as her? And lemme tell you that ManaliJain made her user page after I made so it could also mean that she has copied my editing style. So without knowing please don't say that I am copying @ManaliJain. I have cleared hundreds of time that I am not copying anyone, not stalking anyone but why old Wikipedians like to irritate some new users??? Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk)

Removal of edit for "awkward"

 Courtesy link: Walkabout Travel Gear

An editor removed my edit for being "awkward." This information was researched and documented. Is that a real reason for removing an edit? KazakDexter (talk) 19:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, KazakDexter. The simple answer is 'Yes', I'm afraid. This edit of yours was reverted because it neither added anything encyclopaedic to the article, nor was it properly formatted. It looks like you accidentally usurped one citation by inserting another one inside it, thus losing the first one. So, yes, awkward is correct. I notice that Magnolia677 reverted a couple of your other edits, and this was because you added too much unnecessary information, which didn't really enhance the article in any way. It's all about learning to find a balance between making a useful encyclopaedia entry and not shoving all and everything into it, thus making it a bit of a mess. I hope that explains things. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The fact I didn't know how to respond is a clue -- my idea of learning by doing was not a good one.

Actually, I support learning by doing, but in many cases, doing it in a sandbox is best. I have a lot of experience, but I often find myself about to do something I'm not quite sure how to do, so I use my sandbox to test it yes out first.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Sourcing Question

Hello again!

So I've been reviewing some edit requests, and doing so brought me to the article Tara Strong filmography. The editor in question (2601:241:300:B610:CD92:3111:FE4C:9D2E) requested that I update the years that Tara worked on a particular show. When I went to review the source ([82]), I noticed that it just links to 2 Wikipedia articles and asks the reader to look at the credits sequence at the end of a cited episode. I also observe this to be the case in various other references on the page (e.g [23], [37], [19], etc). However, I see other citations that lead to off-site sources entirely to verify her work on a project (e.g [20], [80], [108], etc).

My question is this: is it standard practice to, as a source for this particular genre of information, refer the reader to a particular episode and reference the credits? If so, if a WP:RS that isn't that exists, would that be an uncontroversial edit?

Thank you for your time! ––Sirdog9002 (talk) 23:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sirdog9002, Generally speaking, some sources such as e-commerce sources may be acceptable to verify statistics but cannot in themselves be used to establish notability for an article. Furthermore if you come across a WP:CIRCULAR source, it is not permissible in any circumstance. Celestina007 (talk) 23:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Ah, I was aware that linking directly to Wikipedia as a source was discouraged, but I didn't know offhand the shortcut to a policy written about it. Thank you for that. However, to clarify on my original question: is it ever acceptable to source a particular episode of something and then declare the credits of such an episode to be citation? (such as what source 17 does with the quotation Event occurs at Closing credits.)? ––Sirdog9002 (talk) 00:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sirdog9002, I took a look at the article and went to “Ref 17” and having seen it, that is not an acceptable manner of referencing and that is not a even a “source” a Wikipedia article cannot be used as a source. To answer your question, as long as it is sourced properly, certain episodes can be sourced to substantiate claims or verify statistics but doesn’t count towards notability. For example if I were to create an article on an actor and decide to create a table, include the list of all the movies and adjacent them place a source per WP:FILMOGRAPHY I’m somewhat justified but why do that when I can easily create an WP:EL section and include a link to the IMDb of the subject of the article. Assuming I do substantiate all movie entries if they do not show how WP:NACTOR is met I’m wasting my time, thus theoretically although such sources may be permissible but they do not count towards establishing notability. Celestina007 (talk) 01:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

my edit has been deleted

Hi, im new to wikipedia

I was editing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Bug_(video_game) which currently has information about the arcade game, console ports and a BBC Micro Computer port called bumble bee

There is a new open source port for the BBC Micro Computer that has just been completed and I was editing the page to include this information

At some point my edit disapeared and being new to this system I assumed I had made some mistake while editing so I started again but then my edit vanished and this time I received an alart message

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Lady Bug (video game), you may be blocked from editing. Bbb23 (talk) 18:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Why is this happening ? The content is not unsourced/poorly sourced, its a brand new project that has just been completed

Heres two sources

• https://lovebug.ml (the home of the project)
• https://stardot.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=21812 (the full project process from start to finish)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveBug2084 (talk • contribs)

@LoveBug2084: An administrator, @Bbb23, was the one who reverted your edit. It looks like they did so because you did not include reliable sources that supported the text you added. Additionally, one or more external links you added have been removed because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 19:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

A) you have to reference as you write. B) neither the company website nor a forum are considered reliable source citations. David notMD (talk) 19:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@LoveBug2084: Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, it would be appropriate for you to discuss your suggestions for improvement on the article's talk page: Talk:Lady Bug (video game). Providing independent reliable sources would also be beneficial. Happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 01:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Artem Yasynskyy

Hi, can you please help me? In one article I wrote on "Artem Yasynskyy" I got a speedy deletion nomination without any arguments given. I'm quite sure that this is not justified. I could not contest the nomination - what should I do? Thanks!! Ch. Nabe (talk) 21:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ch. Nabe, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I cannot view the article (if it has been deleted)but if you create an article that falls under the confines of what is contained in WP:CSD, your article may be speedy deleted whether or not you contest it especially promotional, blatant copyrights and attack pages. You can however locate the admin who deleted you article and initiate a dialogue with them. Celestina007 (talk) 22:10, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Artem Yasynskyy Another editor has removed the speedy tag. RudolfRed (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Ch. Nabe (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed, thanks for the link @Ch. Nabe, it appears the article wasn’t actually speedy deleted. Celestina007 (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ch. Nabe: Every fact and award should have a reference, or they should be removed. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Move

How to notify at Article B and C that a move discussion regarding them is open at Article A?  Peter Ormond 💬 02:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: I believe it will depend if Article B and C are being moved to Article A or from Article A. I'm looking over WP:REQMOVE, I believe the instructions are there. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲: The names of Articles A, B and C are to be changed and that is being disussed solely at the talk page of Article A. So, I need to inform at B and C. Peter Ormond 💬 03:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond, I believe you can use this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}} ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind, that code only works in talkspace. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

A bot should tag the articles within an hour or so of placing Template:Requested move on the talk page of Article A. Article B and C need to be listed in Template:Requested move in order for the bot to tag them as well. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

How to write a page on a topic when there exist less online sources?

 KamruzzamannAsif (talk) 03:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@KamruzzamannAsif: Welcome to the Teahouse. Sources do not need to be online, so long as they're reliable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

  Tenryuu Thanks have a good day KamruzzamannAsif (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft Question

Is there any problems with the Draft:Prende TV? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for wanting to help Wikipedia with a new article, and for putting so much time and effort into your draft. Though you have found a couple of articles from the Los Angeles Times, I suspect most of your references will be considered to be press releases sent out by Prende TV. I didn't find a reference telling what anyone outside of the company has to say about it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and it's important to tell what reliable sources, with no connection to Prende, have written about the streaming platform.

Also, your sources state Prende TV will have Spanish language content, but that isn't mentioned in your article. Many who don't watch Spanish language TV won't be familiar with Univision.

Perhaps your article is too soon, and it would be better to wait until newspapers and other sources with no connection to Prende TV have a chance to write in-depth articles about it, and state whether it is finding an audience. It may be that in a few months more reliable sources will be available. Best wishes on your Wikipedia work. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back @ItsJustdancefan! I would remove the "a lot of" from the last sentence; otherwise the writing looks fine. Make sure the sources say what you have cited them for. That leaves the matter of notability. This, currently #2 in the article, looks like a WP:SIGCOV. If there are a few more, it should get accepted. Looks like this is supposed to be a big thing for the Spanish-speaking demographic in all of US, so it ought to be notable. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Recovering Deleted Page?

Hello, my Draft was deleted despite the copyright being cleared. I don't understand why. The content has been Public Domain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:J.T._Patten Can someone retrieve it back please? NPFictionLibrarian (talk) 01:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@NPFictionLibrarian: You can make an undeletion request at WP:REFUND, but it is unlikely to be approved without good reason. You may wish to ask @Nosebagbear for clarification as to why they deleted your draft article. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 01:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

We can't just take your word for it that "the copyright was cleared" (which is not a very meaningful sentence, sorry) because — and this might surprise you — sometimes, people lie. I do note that Mr Patten's website now has the phrase "[This material is for Public Use]", which I assume is intended to be — but is not actually — a statement licensing the material for use in accordance with Wikipedia's requirements. DS (talk) 02:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@NPFictionLibrarian and DragonflySixtyseven: - the content was duplicated from a prior version of the site that didn't, I believe, even make an attempt at licensing properly. The fact that it's now gone means that even if there was a legitimate disclaimer at the bottom that met our requirements (and it isn't, atm) it still wouldn't apply to that text. Nosebagbear (talk) 05:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

auto confirmed user

Please help a newcomer. Too many guides pages on wiki is getting me overwhelmed. I got a notification from wiki saying "you just made your tenth edit, thank you and please keep going". I was under the impression that to get the auto-confirmed status, I would need to edit 11 articles in 4 days? Or did i need to do 11 total edits to get the status? Please guide. Aprism (talk) 08:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Your account needs to be four days old. Just a matter of waiting a couple more days and you'll be autoconfirmed! Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

thanks Zudo, can you please tell if i need to do 9 more articles, since i have done 2? Or did it really mean 11 total edits? I'm confused there. Also, will i get a confirmation email from wikipedia, how would i find out? Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aprism (talk • contribs)

It's just 4 days and 10 total edits. That's all. If you're using a desktop browser, there's a link for "Contributions" at the top of any page, which shows your own contribution history.

~Anachronist (talk) 08:25, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Aprism, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'd like to give you a word of caution: many of the things that you will be newly allowed to do once you are autoconfirmed are things that I would always advise inexperienced editors not to do. Want to create a new article? you will spare yourself a lot of frustration and disappointment if you don't even attempt this until you have a few months of experience in editing existing articles; and then use the articles for creation mechanism to create a draft (which in fact you can already do). Want to edit a semiprotected article? Please take the time to understand the history, and why the article has been semiprotected, and the relevant Wikipedia policies or, again, you may have a frustrating experience. Have a look whether your proposed edit has already been discussed on the article's talk page - and even if it has, it may be more constructive to propose it on the talk page rather than just going ahead and being bold. Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 11:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Colin, I did get overwhelm in hardly a few hours over too many guidelines pages and all. I checked a few semi protected pages but knew it wasn't for me to edit, so i won't do those in the first few months atleast. I joined wiki to be autoconfirmed to create a page for my work. What happens if i create it after 4 day, would it go down or something? What are the odds that I wouldn't get it right? thanks for the message. 〜〜〜〜 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aprism (talk • contribs)

Hey, Aprism, no idea what happened with your signature there. Maybe someone else will figure it out. It's not a good idea to edit in an area where you have a conflict of interest, and since it's for your employer, this is paid editing, which is even trickier. You've disclosed here, which is good, and you'll also have to disclose on your user page at User:Aprism. There are instructions at WP:COI. A bigger issue is that your employer may not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article, and if it isn't, no amount of work you do will help. Our policies on notability for businesses can be found at WP:NORG. —valereee (talk) 12:14, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Those are apparently wave dashes, probably interchangeable with tildes in some contexts but not in Wikipedia signatures. Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi again, Aprism. Yes, there's far too much to assimilate in a short time, which is why I advise going slowly, making small edits to existing articles as you gradually assimilate how it works.

I'm afraid that I joined wiki to be autoconfirmed to create a page for my work is a recipe for frustration and disappointment. Basically, that is promotion, which is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. If ever Wikipedia has an article about your work, the article will not belong to you, will not be for your benefit, will not be controlled by you, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish about you and your work, not on what you say or want to say. You are not forbidden to create such an article, but you are strongly discouraged, and if you are going to, you must declare your conflict of interest, and use the articles for creation process to create a draft (which means that autoconfirmation is irrelevant). An article about you is possible only if you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that several independent people have published significant amounts of material about you - and for you to write it will require you to do the almost impossible task of forgetting everything you know about yourself and your work and writing only what is in those independent sources.

If you do go ahead and create an article directly, then the best outcome you can hope for is that somebody will draftify it (so you might as well create a draft anyway). Alternatively, they may delete it, either because they conclude that you do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, or because they think that what you have written is simply advertising.

I'm sorry to be so negative, but basically you have come here, as hundreds of other people do, in order to do something which is fundamentally opposed to the principles of Wikipedia. If you drop that goal, and choose to help us create the biggest and best encyclopaedia ever, you are very welcome; but if you hang on to wanting to use it to promote yourself, then you're not going to have a good time. (When you type the four tildes to sign your post, don't put spaces between them: that stops the software recognising it and substituting your signature). --ColinFine (talk) 12:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I may have misunderstood. Aprism, yes, whether you're referring to your employer or your own body of work, you still have a conflict of interest. In the case of your own body of work, it wouldn't be paid editing, but it might be promotional. Either way, as ColinFine says, it's very difficult for a new editor with a COI to understand the process well enough to make it happen in a way that will fulfill policy for us. You can read over the current discussions on this page (which archives any discussion that hasn't been added to in two days; that's how often this comes up) and see that a large number of discussions here are just that: brand new editors whose goal is to create an article for one particular person, organization, or body of work, frustrated because they can't figure out why their draft keeps getting rejected. —valereee (talk) 12:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

If you post an article directly in mainspace, you accept the consequences of doing so, including deletion, being kicked back to draft, etc. It is for this reason we recommend drafting instead of creating directly in mainspace. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 22:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot to all the messages here. I think I should make it clear that it is not for my work as in office, my own, since I'm a content creator, I want to make a page of my website, which would definitely have links to my articles or article pages. I have seen well established content creators with wiki pages that's where I got the idea from. There are a lot of procedures, guidelines and rules here. So I think i'll take my time to first learn about them all, the possibilities, and contacting wiki through email in case it helps through that channel. I'm hoping for responses and directions as clear as a yes or no. Will drop it if it's the latter. But if its the first, every requirement and procedure to go about it. But thanks a lot to all of you for your responses. It does seem wiki is quite a strict platform to these things I never knew till now. Have a great day! Aprism (talk) 06:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

How to earn money from Wikipedia?

I want to ask that many people earn from Wikipedia, and I have made so much of edits and I hadn't got any money. So could anyone please tell How we can earn money from Wikipedia? Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk) 11:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia is a hobby, not a profession. Editors are volunteers, we are not paid. --bonadea contributions talk 11:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, KIshmish Hu Main Ok, and welcome to the Teahous. As Bonadea says, Wikipedia is a volunteer project. Nobody at all is paid by Wikipedia to edit it (there are a few paid staff of the Wikimedia Foundation, but editing Wikipedia is not generally part of their work). There are people who offer to edit Wikipedia for pay: I advise you (and anybody else) to keep clear of such people. They are not affiliated with Wikipedia or approved by it. Many of them are scammers. --ColinFine (talk) 12:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Repinging Kishmish Hu Main Ok -- ColinFine (talk) 12:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Ohk, Thanks for telling ColinFine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk • contribs) 06:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia exclude realism?

Does (the very idea of) Wikipedia exclude realism, the innocent way of thinking of Pythagoras and others before Aristotle that Reality determines what is true and what is not true?

The realism of Pythagoras, and others before Aristotle, is NOT a philosophical method of reasoning. It is the ongoing process of discovering the truths about Reality which constitute Science. Realism is independent of the discipline Aristotle and his followers chose to call “Philosophy”. Wikipedia represents “Philosophy” in Aristotle’s mistaken sense.

 DFSmelbourne (talk) 02:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

This is such a broad question, @DFSmelbourne, and it seems like you're trying to get at something very specific. I'll answer it as best I can though.

Wikipedia does not exclude realism, and it doesn't really exclude any philosophical methods of reasoning. Anyone can make any argument on Wikipedia for any reason (at least, for the most part–obviously we have policies against hate/discrimination, threats, and other disruptive behavior). Sometimes Wikipedia runs into problems with things like Naïve realism, but nonetheless people still make these types of arguments, as Wikipedia doesn't exclude particular ways of reasoning. After all, Wikipedia is a cluocracy. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 02:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Hello DFSmelbourne and welcome to the Teahouse.

You raise a very general, I would almost say, "philosophical" question, but not a question about how to edit on Wikipedia. The relationship between Wikipedia and truth is mediated by what reliable sources have to say; we are supposed to report what they say, not determine truth. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

To which I would add: If you have a suggestion for or comment on the article Law of excluded middle, please make it at Talk:Law of excluded middle. -- Hoary (talk) 02:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't exclude realism, but it holds it at arm's length. The definition of true within WP is reported by reliable sources. The Wikipedia editor sits in a room and reads the newspaper. S/he doesn't look out the window and see that the sky is blue. Instead s/he reads the Guardian and the Times, and if both report that the sky is green, truth for the WP editor is that the sky is green. But this definition of truth is based on the idea that reliable, secondary sources will be true according to a broad range of philosophies, including the straightforward idea that reality determines truth. We rely on the idea that no Times reporter is going to look out the window, see blue, and report green. Elemimele (talk) 07:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

FIFA World Rankings

On national team pages, I can't figure out how the FIFA ranking is updated. On Canada's all I saw was | FIFA Rank = 30 1 (April 3, 2025) but i don't know how this works  MattBinYYC (talk) 08:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

This has been answered at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#FIFA World Rankings. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from User:Brentxphillips

Hi, I am a novice editor and constantly whenever I try to edit something it gets declined and I have no idea how to navigate wikipedia behind the scenes to communicate with editors or do anything. In spite of tons on documentation, I can't find anything simple that's useful to me to learn the dashboard, markdown, common tasks and etc. Why can't anyone iterate through simple tasks with screenshots for new folks, explaining the lingo and etc?????? Brentxphillips (talk) 04:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Brentxphillips: If you're looking for a basic tutorial on how to edit Wikipedia, there's The Wikipedia Adventure, which I always suggest beginners to complete. If you having trouble with a specific problem, feel free to ask here. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Brentxphillips, you've been having trouble with Draft:Humanitarian AI Movement for one. I quote from the draft: The efforts of a growing number of individuals and initiatives have contributing to defining and turning Humanitarian AI into a topic and channeling interest in the field into a mainstream movement focusing on increasing the use and impact of artificial intelligence in the humanitarian sector, particularly supporting the provision of humanitarian aid. You provide no reference for any of that. Possibly you regard it as self-evidently true. I quote your user page: It's our responsibility to record history and the truths we know for next generations! Therein perhaps lies the root problem. When writing drafts for Wikipedia, you are welcome to record history as it is recorded by reliable, independent, published sources, and that's all. (Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth.) If you limit yourself to this, and do it scrupulously, you'll seldom be required to communicate with other editors. -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

You successfully created Humanitarian Crowdfunding in 2016, so not quite a novice. I do agree that your recent efforts at Humanitarian AI Movement need a lot of work before resubmitting. David notMD (talk) 10:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

CarDr.com

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by HitroMilanese was: This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. Please help how to get it published. Rkk2260 (talk) 09:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Rkk2260 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As noted, you must have independent reliable sources with significant coverage of this company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. The sources you offered are just announcements of routine business activities, which does not establish notability. There needs to be independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to extensively write about this business and say something beyond just telling what it does. Any materials put out by the company, or that merely report what it does, are not acceptable. For example, Ford Motor Company merits an article not because there are publications that report on the latest car model it released(a routine business activity for a car manufacturer) but because sources independent of the company have extensively written about Ford and its impacts on manufacturing, the car industry as a whole, society, and other things. This is an extreme example, but the point it it isn't enough to just tell us what a company has done, it needs to be significant in some way. Please see Your First Article for more information.

If you are associated with this company, please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Agree that the refs look like derived from press releases, and you need to reply to query about paid and/or COI. David notMD (talk) 11:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Are you supposed to replace unreliable sources?

Hello,

I came across a claim in an article that is correct, but it is marked with 'unreliable source?'. I checked out the source and it does seem like it is unreliable. Knowing the claim to be correct, I found a primary source that confirms what was written in the article.

What is considered the correct way to update this article? Do I delete the source currently listed and add the reliable source to it instead? Should I just reference the source I found and leave the 'unreliable source?' as is?

Thank you. Emily Banks (talk) 11:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey, removing the unreliable source and adding the better one is the way to go here. CanePlayz (Jacob) (talk) 11:22, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I will do that. Emily Banks (talk) 11:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Great :) CanePlayz (Jacob) (talk) 11:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Question about a discussion with another editor

Hey, so I've had a discussion with another editor (User:Frank6292010) on his talk page User talk:Frank6292010 about an edit I made on the List of Walt Disney Studios films (2020-2029). He gave me a warning on my talk page for it, however, I think I did nothing wrong, and instead of giving me legit reasons what I did wrong, he keeps on saying weird stuff that confuses me. Since I'm pretty new to the wiki, I have no clue where to go from here and any help on how to continues would be much appreciated. CanePlayz (Jacob) (talk) 10:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

You're well within your rights to remove warnings from your talk page, especially so if they were the result of ClueBot NG encountering a false positive.

From a quick glance, your edits at List of Walt Disney Studios films (2020-2029) seem to be constructive and sourced, so I wouldn't let it bother you too much. If you continue to have issues with another user's behaviour, Wikipedia:Dispute resolution might be a helpful read. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the quick response. Just another quick thing: If the user who gave me the warning fails to deliver a reason for it, am I also allowed to delete that or does it HAVE to be archived somewhere? CanePlayz (Jacob) (talk) 11:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

you're free to remove warnings anytime, just that you should be aware that this means the warning is read and acknowledged. it may also be possible that frank has yet to see this message (their last edit was at 04:26 utc and you posted at 05:26), which is why they have yet to respond. happy editing!   melecie   t 11:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. And yeah, I'm still closely looking at what Frank says, because it's still possible I missed something that was wrong with my edit. CanePlayz (Jacob) (talk) 11:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Question about using sandbox for other wikis

Hello, I am an editor for a controversial wiki known as the CWCki. Currently our wiki is undergoing periods of downtime which makes editing pages somewhat difficult; unfortunately, something has happened (which I will not discuss here) which requires many of the articles to be rewritten or receive major edits. My question is, would I be able to use a personal sandbox here to edit pages of my wiki under the rules and conditions of Wikipedia? I understand Wikipedia has strict rules against defamation (which some may consider my wiki to be guilty of) and the creation of pages on the subject of the wiki I edit for, however being a sandbox, it would not be a part of Wikipedia at large. If the sandbox is not a good place for this kind of editing, then could you recommend a good alternative? Thank you for your time and have a good day. Anewfella (talk) 21:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Anewfella: Thank you for being so honest about what you'd like to do. Wikipedia's major policies and guidelines tend to apply to all pages (including what you might consider to be "practice" pages like a sandbox), so if you post anything on any page that would be considered a violation of WP:BLP, WP:NPA, WP:LEGAL, WP:COPY, etc., you're likely going to find yourself having problems (most likely fairly quickly). You'll probably receive a warning at first and perhaps a page blanking, but that will quickly escalate if you try and do the same thing again; moreover, it wouldn't be totally unheard of for an administrator to simply block your account even without warning if they deemed the issue to be a very serious violation. Pretty much the only stuff we as editors can post on our user pages is as described in WP:UPYES; anything that runs afoul of WP:UPNO is likely going to flagged for review. How long that takes might vary, and sometimes a bit a leeway is granted for borderline stuff; however, anything considered to be too WP:POLEMIC or too WP:NOTWEBHOST eventually will attract attention and will likely end up being deleted or removed either completely or partially. So, if you know going in that some of the content you might be adding to a Wikipedia page is likely going to be a problem, then you're probably best to avoid doing so. Try to understand that user are only sort of borrowing their user pages as explained in WP:UP#OWN; so, anything that is considered to be in violation can be removed at anytime. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Probably not here. See WP:NOTWEBHOST. I recommend text files on your computer. Enterprisey (talk!) 21:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses, I think it is best that I don't use the sandbox for these edits, and it's good to have conformation on that fact. Thank you for your understanding and have a good day. Anewfella (talk) 21:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

With a name like that, I can take a guess as to the possible subject matter and can only say, good idea not discussing it here, and good idea to ask if this was kosher first. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Jéské Couriano, you beat me to it. (And addressed it in a better way then I would have!) Bkissin (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I succumbed to curiosity and did a Google search on CWC. Now I know why their names keep popping up in discussions the past few days. The OP's prudence in asking first is commendable. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 11:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Should I publish a grammar revision I'm confident in, or have it reviewed first?

Hello. I'm currently working on a grammar revision to the article "Ronot society." As I'm not adding anything, just fixing some grammar, should I take it somewhere for approval first? And where would I, if I did have some new contributions to it? I'm still working on this as of now, but still would appreciate the advice on that front. Thanks. // [NomadicVoxel] [_talk\^ctbs] 04:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

if you are confident, be WP:BOLD. PrimalBlueWolf (talk) 04:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi NomadicVoxel. The only thing I would suggest before being BOLD would be to take a look at MOS:ENGVAR to make sure the things you want to fix are actually grammar errors and not just differences is grammar based on differences between national varieties of English. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Ronot society could do with attention from a native English speaker, and has been tagged for attention, so go for it, NomadicVoxel! ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 12:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

What to do next

My article was deleted while I was making edits suggested. What do I do now? CharityJunky (talk) 11:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The criteria for the Speedy deletion was G11, meaning that in the assessment of an experienced Administrator, the content was Unambiguous advertising or promotion. "This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as encyclopedia articles, rather than advertisements. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. Note: Any article that describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion. However, "promotion" does not necessarily mean commercial promotion: anything can be promoted, including a person, a non-commercial organization, a point of view, etc."

All evidence of the draft is removed. You would ask the deleting Administrator for an emailed copy of what you had created. Or you could start over again, modeling your new draft on existing articles of a similar ilk. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Your creation Draft:Garnet Care Foundation was deleted by Materialscientist as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". Its opening sentence at that time was: Helping vulnerable females in Nigeria - this organisation does it all. Which reliable, independent, published source said that GCF does it all to help vulnerable women and girls in Nigeria? If you don't specify whose evaluation this is, it seems very likely that it's the evaluation of GCF itself, and this would be advertising.

I suggest that you simply stop and wait for volunteers unrelated to GCF to create a draft about GCF. -- Hoary (talk) 12:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

You - properly - declared your paid connection to the organization. As declared paid, you are allowed to attempt to create this article, but be aware that paid editors' work can get extra scrutiny. All content needs to be referenced, and whatever GCF states about itself does not establish notability. Same for information from interviews with GCF people. David notMD (talk) 13:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Username styling

Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask, but can I sign up with a username that doesn't start with a capital letter? I've noticed everyone here has a username beginning with a capital letter, even spam accounts. Is it possible for a username to begin with a small letter? 49.144.207.248 (talk) 12:54, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

No it isn't. I'm "Hoary". If I happened to prefer "hoary", I could fiddle with my signature and have people call me "hoary": it would redirect to "Hoary" and work perfectly well. However, the energy that many people put into pretty signatures would be better expended on improving articles. -- Hoary (talk) 12:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The software upon which Wikipedia runs doesn't take into account the capitalisation of the first letter of page and account names - User:Example and User:example are the same person, and Foobar and foobar are the same page. If you wanted you could edit your signature to display your username with a lowercase first letter, and add {{lowercase title}} onto your userpage to get the pages to display with a lowercase title. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 13:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Deletion and copyrights

I am very confused about a page (the only page) I wrote. I drew a picture of an instrument bridge and described it as it is used. Someone I know later copied the picture and put it in a book chapter in an edited volume. Then someone here said I copied it from the book (when it was the other way around) and marked it for speedy deletion. I am not a Wikipedia expert and could not figure out how to deal with the situation. The page was deleted, even though the Wikipedia page was the reference listed in the book. Somehow, a very low-resolution GIF was made (probably for the sidebar), and now it has been marked for deletion. I actually don't care if this content is on Wikipedia or not, but I am really disturbed by the stuff on my talk page.

I never violated copyright and I don't like that on my talk page it implies that I am a copyright violator. I have no intention of contributing content to Wikipedia ever again, and I am not likely to ever donate again unless I can clear my name.

Rkjulian (talk) 13:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there anyone who can help me? Rkjulian (talk) 13:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I can say that we editors have nothing to do with donations, they are collected by the Wikimedia Foundation. Donating or withholding donations has no impact on Wikipedia activities. We don't know who does and does not donate.

You are free to remove content from your own user talk page. 331dot (talk) 13:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

You can remove the notices from your talk page (or simply blank it out completely) at any time - the speedy deletion nomination was meant as a message for you, and not as some sort a badge of shame.

The article you made was deleted, so if you want it restored you can put in a request at WP:RFU. I can't see the deleted page, so I don't know what the content was, but if you think it was removed in error you're well within your rights to ask for it to be reinstated.

I understand that a situation like this can be disheartening, but please understand that you're not in trouble. Feel free to ask for further clarification if you need it. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

You are not alone in having content you created somewhere (including Wikipedia) being used elsewhere without attribution, and then being accused of having copied from those sites (has happened to me more than once). Per 331dot, you are free to delete such from your Talk page. I suggest writing an Edit summary as to why, in case any editor finds reason to look at edits deleted from your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 14:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

As regards the image, Rkjulian: Wikipedia (and Wikimedia Commons) will accept images only if it is explicit that the image is either in the public domain, or has been released by the copyright owner under a suitable copyleft licence. If an image is in a published book without an explicit release, Wikimedia will assume that it is copyright, and cannot be uploaded or used: it is very common that people upload pictures they have found in books or on the web, and usually this is a copyright violation. If you in fact hold the copyright for that image, then you (only) have the power to release it under a suitable licence, and one way to do that would be for you to upload it to Commons and state that it is your own work and that you are releasing it under CC-BY-SA. (In the circumstances it would be a good idea to add a note explaining that it was used in the book but that you hold the copyright). On the other hand, if you are not bothered whether the image appears, then you might not want to do this. --ColinFine (talk) 15:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Surely the publication date of the book must be after the date the image was uploaded to WP; otherwise, the book's authors couldn't have downloaded it and used it. If the date the image was uploaded here precedes the publication date of the book, you could not possibly have taken the image from the book, and the book's authors can't claim the copyright unless they deliberately in the book attribute it to another source (which is pretty unlikely, and also verifiable; they can't just claim it's their image that they had all along, and only just published, because if it was already on WP, there must be a credible way it got there; you can be accused of many things, but not mind-reading!) Elemimele (talk) 15:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Rkjulian, the GIF has been nominated as it's fairly rough compared to the corresponding PNG. I don't see any copyright concerns expressed about the PNG. Unfortunately I can't see the deleted article Instrument bridge, which has already been speedily-deleted. But I do notice the Google books entry linked on your talk page says published 2012, whilst the image was uploaded 2007. Your best bet for the article is to see Victor's answer request undeletion as Zudo suggested. Or, with some luck, a passing admin who sees this might have a look. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 11:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Just a small note, G12 undeletion don't go to WP:RFU as per the into there, though I haven't found a definitve place to appeal G12 deletions on the grounds of them being a reverse copyvio. Maybe try WP:DRV, after trying to contact the deleting admin, Just Chilling. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Victor Schmidt, I hadn't noticed those exceptions. I'll keep them in mind next time. And I agree, it would be useful if the RFU page told people the preferred venue for G12 appeals. (There are some restored copyright actions [1] et seq., but those are VTRS and so a different kettle of fish.) ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 13:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

signature

how can i turn on Auto-signature on the wikipedia? —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

You can either add four tildes (that's this: ~) to the end of your comments, or you can place {{YesAutosign}} on your user page or user talk page to opt in to auto-signing by a bot. Hope that helps! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 23:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Please note, @Pyrrho the Skeptic and @Sakura emad, it's not an "or" situation. You can place the template in your userpage so that the bot signs for you when you forget but it is your responsibility to not forget most of the time. You should sign each of your posts by typing four tildes in the end (like this: ~~~~). Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sakura emad: Were you talking about this automatic signature feature?

It is part of the reply tool. You can turn it on by going to your beta preferences and checking the box for "Discussion tools". ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 04:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool:, @FormalDude:, @Pyrrho the Skeptic: Please look (at here) i work in ckb wikipedia in there when write anything you don't need to sign it, the system automatically signs for you --—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲: i am sorry i couldn't find it, i've visited Preferences then Gadgets but couldn't find it--—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sakura emad It is under beta features tab, here is the direct link. Scroll down and tick   discussion tools. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Paper9oll: Thank you very much i've found it but still it is not like CKB wiki auto signature does not work,. and many more feautres are missing --—— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll wait i think it worked now thank you —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sakura emad English Wikipedia doesn't have such auto signature checkbox feature. The alternative is discussion tools, if you would like to feedback on discussion tools or request for feature, you can do so on the project discussion page. However, do note that not every request would be fulfilled or even taken into consideration, but asking is free so no harm trying. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll no i think it worked more than enough thank you alot for all of you. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Article Creation

Hello! How do I create a new article? It is only allowing me to create a draft. Jimmiewaitesassistant (talk) 13:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jimmiewaitesassistant you have already asked a Question Please wait until someone answers what've asked. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

i meant you asked the same Question twice. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Jimmiewaitesassistant what don't you look at Help:Introduction i think it is useful —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 14:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Confusion on title

I want to create a list of headquarters of regional councils in France which are called Hôtel de Région or just Hôtel. So what should be the title of my article? (The corresponding French article is titled Liste des hôtels de région de France (transl. List of hotels in the regions of France)) Excellenc1📞 14:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: The general policy is given in WP:TITLE. Generally article titles should be whatever the subject is commonly referred to in the English languge, see WP:COMMOMNAME. Are these headquarters discussed in English language publications and if so what do they refer to them as? 192.76.8.91 (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@192.76.8.91: Out of all the regional parliaments, there is only one of them made till now, which is titled Hôtel de Courcy (council of Brittany). Excellenc1📞 14:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Manual of Style

Manual of Style On Islamic Honorifics, the manual of style may offend some who may regard it as unbecoming not to honor prophets or deities. PenguinsMadagscar (talk) 14:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@PenguinsMadagscar: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not censored and tries to assume a neutral point of view, as [a]ttempting to ensure that articles and images will be acceptable to all readers, or will adhere to general social or religious norms, is incompatible with the purposes of an encyclopedia. I am unsure if non-English Wikipedias that are more closely associated with Islam have the same policy and style. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Publish my Wikipedia Page

How to become a Wikipedia Page creator? What is the procedure to create a company's / Individuals Wikipedia page? MeghnaSuresh (talk) 06:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@MeghnaSuresh Welcome to the Teahouse. I have left a welcome message on your Talk Page with helpful links. We only allow articles about topics that are NOTABLE. There are billions of people and millions of businesses that are not deemed notable and would never be able to have an article about them. The key notability criteria for people and organisations are outlined at WP:NBIO and WP:NCORP, respectively. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:04, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MeghnaSuresh, and welcome to the Teahouse. The question "How do I become a Wikipedia Page creator?" is a little like "How do I become a house builder?", in that the best answer is "By starting with small jobs and learning the trade. Once you have learnt enough to understand why your goal is such a large task, you may be ready to try it." Another point is that "A company's/individual's Wikipedia page" is something that does not exist. Not one person, not one company has a Wikipedia page. Wikipedia has articles about six million subjects, many of them people or companies; but an article does not belong to its subject, is not in any way for its subject's benefit, is not controlled by its subject, will not necessarily say what its subject would like it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about its subject, not on what the subject says or wants to say. --ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Pavan Acharya

Heading=Pavan Acharya Subject =I need an Wikipedia article for my organization

Am pavan acharya professional experienced recognized Kannada sandalwood film actor and Telivesion actor I need an Wikipedia article for my organization so any one admistrater hosting Wikipedia please let me know

thank you regards Pavan acharya Pavan Acharya (Actor...., TV personality) (talk) 08:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Are you trying to create a page about yourself?. If so, please see WP:COI SUN EYE 1 08:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

You misunderstand how articles are created. The role of Administrators is not to create articles, and there are no "hosters" who do that . Editors create articles. People are advised against trying to create an article about themselves. See WP:AUTO. If you are sufficiently famous in your career, sooner or later a person with no connection to you may decide to create an article about you or your organization. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Please also see the second half of my reply to the previous question on this page, Pavan Acharya (Actor...., TV personality). --ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Creating an article

Hello! How do I create a new article? It is only allowing me to create a draft. Jimmiewaitesassistant (talk) 13:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

You need to be autoconfirmed to make a new article directly. I suggest you check out Help:Your first article and, since you had a draft deleted for copyright violations, the relevant policy. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jimmiewaitesassistant, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please also see my reply to #Publish my Wikipedia Page above. --ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

create section "works" on Princess Eugénie of Sweden

should i create seperate section for bulleted sources in references section. i assuming they are referring to article person. or should i add them to further reading section? 28july21 (talk) 14:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@28july21: welcome to the Teahouse. The "references" section should list the references that are used to support information in the article, while "further reading" is for books or published articles that can help the reader learn more about the subject, but are not used to support the aricle directly. When you talk about a "works" section, do you mean a section listing the music she composed, her paintings and drawings and other works of art she produced? Such a section would need to be referenced in the same way as any other information in the article. Does this answer your question? --bonadea contributions talk 16:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Bonadea: it seems i misinterpreted mos/layout. i think "further reading" is appropriate here. i will go ahead make changes. thanks for clarification. --28july21 (talk) 16:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was making a minor edit to 1950 in baseball. All of a sudden, when I went to preview, everything in events save for the month of February was gone. However, when I clicked on edit again, the text was there, it just wasn't showing up on the page. How did this happen? I've made over 500+ edits on various pages and I've never had this happen before. Help!!!!!!! I'm only here because I'm not currently somewhere else. (talk) 19:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sportsfan1976: Looks like you wiped out the "comment terminator" ("-->") that preceded the April entry. Thus, everything from April on was commented out. In the event of complete disaster, you can just revert your latest edit and get it back to the way it was before you messed it up. Fabrickator (talk) 19:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I was able to go back and fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsfan1976 (talk • contribs)

new here 12 aug 2021

idk what to say here: alright so i'm new here so what do i do? Dualmau5 (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dualmau5 Assuming you mean what to do on WP, you seek out articles on topics you are interested in and try to improve them. These links can get you started: WP:ADVENTURE, WP:TUTORIAL and WP:Community portal. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Greetings...

Hello, Dualmau5, and welcome to Wikipedia!

To get started, click on the green welcome.

I hope you like it here and decide to stay! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dualmau5: I highly recommend completing The Wikipedia Adventure! ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 20:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

how to contest deletion of an article that was accepted

My new article, Sara Andrews Spencer, was accepted last night. Twenty minutes ago, someone marked it for deletion as a copyright infringement. It is not. The instructions say I can contest it, but the page is already deleted. I worked hard on it and I am quite frustrated. DailySuffragist (talk) 14:00, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

You can contact the deleting administrator at their talk page. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

if i am not wrong it is here Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 14:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

RFU isn't supposed to be used for G12 undeletions. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sakura emad: RFU is only for pages that were deleted via G13 (stale draft) G6 (maintenance) and WP:PROD, You cannot use the process to request the undeletion of a suspected copyright violation. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 14:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

well ok thank i was unsure in the first place. @Zudo —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I really hope this doesn't come across as rude, but if you're not 100% sure what to do it's probably best not to give instructions, Wikipedia is confusing enough for newcomers without being given multiple conflicting sets of instructions. The process here would First be to discuss the deletion with the deleting administrator, and following that if you still think the deletion was not in line with policy you should take the deletion to WP:Deletion review. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 14:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

DailySuffragist, I looked at this site and see substantial overlap between the site in the deleted article. What is your basis for asserting that there is no copyright violation? Assuming you agree there is a lot of overlap, it is not uncommon for brand-new editors to think that material written by them and subject to copyright can be used in a Wikipedia article. While this is sort of true, you must affirmatively provide a license. Is that the situation in this case? S Philbrick(Talk) 15:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The deleting administrator has a message that basically says, don't contact me, I won't listen. But I'll give it a try. DailySuffragist (talk) 14:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Moneytrees, would you be able to check and advise? Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, I'm looking into it, see above S Philbrick(Talk) 15:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks S. Thanks Money too, for following the ping. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

DailySuffragist, Such a message would be unacceptable but I don't see such a message can you point me to it? I do see a notation on the talk page that the admin may not respond swiftly to queries, but I don't see anything that translates to "don't contact me" S Philbrick(Talk) 14:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I understand it can be confusing but Onel5969 was not the deleting administrator in fact isn't even an administrator. That editor does a lot of work related to copyright and is very knowledgeable. Many deletions involve two different individuals — one to nominate for deletion, which was done by Onel5969, and one to actually carry out the deletion, which was done by Materialscientist. The suggestion to contact the deleting administrator was a reference to Materialscientist, not Onel5969, Although contacting Onel5969 is a sensible step to help understand why it was deleted. There is no need to contact Materialscientist. I think the deletion was warranted but as noted above, open to discussion with you for a possibility of why you disagree. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Onel5969 thanks for your help. Philbrick, I see that I borrowed too closely from my own piece, and now better understand how to permission it from my own published work or rewrite. But I think it's all more trouble than it's worth. Thanks, all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DailySuffragist (talk • contribs) 15:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

DailySuffragist, Good, I'm glad we cleared that up. If you do decide to pursue it, the process for arranging permission can be found here: Wikipedia:Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiries. However, it is only fair to warn you that while arranging for permission solves the copyright issue, the piece you wrote is unlikely to qualify as a reliable source (that's a guess not a certainty), so while permission would solve the copyright issue, the article would still need to cite published reliable sources. I do hope you will pursue it — based on my cursory read of the article it looks like a valuable addition. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

DailySuffragist I agree this article should exist, and I will be glad to help as much as I can if you restart the article. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:15, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to all above for their comments. Just want to iterate that my speedy was solely due to the copyvio. If memory serves me (I've reviewed a few articles today), that was a well-written article. Although I had yet to review the sourcing (I always due to the copyvio check first - since if there is one, the sourcing is irrelevant). On the surface, the individual appeared notable, but I'd need to take another look. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:46, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

"Not notable"

Good afternoon,

I submitted an article a while ago for review. I've performed all the requested updates. It's still citing the subject as "Not Notable", even though they are a credited producer in award-winning, or award-nominated films. I keep getting vague Bot answers. Could you please advise? MVworks! (talk) 21:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@MVworks!: Answered at help desk - please don't duplicate the question on different pages - it adds extra work for volunteers. Please also see WP:COI and declare any conflicts you might have, on your user page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Help making my user page

what do I add to my user page? WikiHistorianCanada (talk) 22:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiHistorianCanada Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may review WP:USERPAGE for information on what is acceptable (and not) user page content. In short, it is a place where you can tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. There is no requirement to have a user page at all, if you don't wish to. 331dot (talk) 22:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiHistorianCanada This might help also Wikipedia:User page design center. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

New article

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 12:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How I can write the below topics? I feel Wikipedia is difficult to understand for me, need a guide, please.

born 29th November 1963 in Gopalgong, Bangladesh. He shifted to Tokyo, Japan. He is an abstract watercolor and Oil color painter, He has got a scholarship to study Drawing and painting in China at, China Academy of Art at Hangzhou https://caa.at0086.cn/site/. Music in color (talk) 11:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Music in color It appears you wish to create an article Draft:Liakat Ali. See WP:YFA for how to create a valid draft. That being said, unless there are people who are publishing articles about Liakat Ali, to use as references, this person will not meet Wikipedia's definition of notability, and thus not qualify for an article. David notMD (talk) 12:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Music in color. As previously stated, your subject needs to be notable. Regarding the correct format of writing an article, I suggest that you take a look at other Wikipedia articles using the Visual Editing or Source Editing interface. This way you would know the acceptable structure, content, and referencing requirements and format. For instance, you can check the Syed Jahangir's page. Using the editing interface, you should be able to identify the included elements and content. Good luck! Darwin Naz (talk) 22:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Best Way To Include Media Reference For Article Not Available Online

What is the best way to include a reference to (example) a newspaper article that is no longer online (the newspaper in question doesn't have an online archive, etc.) but you have a digital copy of the article? Iamthekanadian (talk) 15:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Iamthekanadian, and welcome to the Teahouse. The important part of any citation is the bibliographic information that will let a reader quickly see things like the publisher, title, author, and publication date (which can be helpful in deciding how much trust to have in it) and in principle let a reader obtain a copy, even if they need to order it through a major library or the Resource exchange. In most cases a link is a convenience, not a crucial part of the citation. I suggest using {{cite news}}, which has parameters for the common pieces of information. DO not attempt to upload or link to your digital copy, as in most cases that would be a copyright violation. --ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine I was thinking that the actual article would be important because (for example) in establishing notability, if the reference is just to "Newspaper X, page 2, Date" then the cite itself, to something people can't see, wouldn't be very helpful, because there's no way to evaluate the content - is it just a mention, is it significant, etc. Iamthekanadian (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Iamthekanadian Like many things, it's a "freedom" that can (and has) been abused, sure. Still, WP:OFFLINE and WP:PAYWALL is the law of the land (as is WP:General disclaimer). It mostly works. Not always. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I often cite newspapers that aren't available on line. I access back copies of certain newspapers (usually on microfilm) at either my local public library or the national library in my country. I use {{cite news}}, quoting the publication name, date, page number, article title, etc. So far, nobody has queried or complained about this so I think it's safe to assume it's OK. Of course, if you can also find an on-line reference so much the better. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

And perhaps these will become online at some point, who knows. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha ColinFine I am recalling a case where an experienced editor on an article I was working on handled this by putting a quote from the newspaper article into the Wikipedia article, maybe that is an example of one answer to the challenge. I had some experiences where there were challenges to notability and I was really struggling because the media coverage, although notable, was not directly accessible, and it was a bit of a conundrum. Iamthekanadian (talk) 16:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

In general and policy wise, that’s absolutely fine for it to be offline; but in the event of a content dispute, where another person needs more information (happens in other contexts e.g. missing/invalid page number of a book, paywalls etc) then the onus is on the person who put up the content. In most cases though, I’m happy for some content that’s likely to be true and transparently noted that the citations aren’t ideal, in case someone wants to challenge or improve it. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

adding a source

Hi! How do I make sure a source I added does not get removed? Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Unreliable sources may get removed. Take a look at this explanation of reliable sources, and make sure your source is reliable. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 23:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Can you clarify that the source here is reliable? [2] Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 23:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

It depends. How do you intend to use that source? ~Anachronist (talk) 23:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I was intending to update timestamps. Is there something that is incorrect in the source above? Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 23:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I suggest you ask your question on the talk page of the article where you would like to use this source. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Assessing what needs to be done to bring an article up to FA status

Hi. Last month, I wrote this article on the Palais de la Cour de Justice, the seat of the Court of Justice of the European Union. How would I go about getting it formally critiqued so I know what I need to do to bring it up to at least GA and hopefully, FA status? Luxofluxo (talk) 08:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC) Luxofluxo (talk) 08:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777, any wisdom on this? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Luxofluxo: See Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Luxofluxo It's my personal opinion that people don't take full advantage of the peer review and mentoring process that's available here on wiki. I recommend them both. They are really helpful when you are first learning what's required for these reviews. GA doesn't begin to compare to the rigor they put FA through, but actually going through them - fail or succeed - are both excellent learning experiences. GA reviewers have been the most helpful to me personally, taking the time and having the patience to help me, and I always learn something new from them.

Fac reviewers tend to specialize in reviewing images or prose or references and they are tough because they have become experts in that one thing. Where you have one GA reviewer, you will generally have a half dozen or more FA reviewers, each with their own specialty. There will be one who will want all the references to look the same, so be sure your references all use the same reference style. Someone else will come along and check that all the isbn's are correct. Be sure all the info in the references themselves - the date and publisher etc. -is all accurate. Someone will check it. Check all your sources for accuracy - if what you say is on a page, isn't, they will find your mistake, and you will have to figure out what you did, and fix it to many 'mea culpas'. If you can't fix it or remove it, the Fac will fail.

Be sure all your images have their copyright permissions for the US, and script descriptions for the visually impaired using readers. If they don't, and you can't get those copyright clearances - for every image - you will have to remove those images, or the Fac will fail. They will fail it for anything involving any kind of copyright problems, so always run the copyright-vio detector on your own work before submitting anything.

Check your prose for clarity, simplicity, and accuracy. Edit out everything you think is cute or dramatic or funny. Be as concise and clear and to the point as possible. Remove all unnecessary verbiage. They don't like overly long articles and will sometimes require you to split a long article and will fail it if you don't.

They will fail it if your review takes too long. They will fail it if there aren't enough reviewers showing up in a timely fashion which indicates to them there isn't enough interest in it.

Do what they say without argument. They will fail Facs for lack of cooperation. Change whatever they require however they require it. There's no point in arguing your position generally speaking, they have a standard and you must meet it - or I guess you know what's coming by now - or the Fac will fail.

So far that's the sum total of all my experience going through GA and FA reviews. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

YouTube interviews as a source?

Are interviews uploaded on YouTube by media channels get considered to be mentioned on Wikipedia articles as a reliable source? ManaliJain (talk) 15:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

ManaliJain It always depends on context, but in many cases, a video hosted by BBC News featuring a journalist/subject expert would be a reliable source. See WP:YOUTUBE for further details. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@ManaliJain: While an interview may be used as a reliable source, it might not help you demonstrate notability - see Wikipedia:Interviews. GoingBatty (talk) 22:24, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Alright! ManaliJain (talk) 06:11, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Talk

 WinnipegMA (talk) 01:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC) Can I remove everything in my user talk page?

@WinnipegMA: Yes you can! It's your talk page. Archiving is preferred, but WP:BLANKING says you may remove most everything. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 01:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

WinnipegMA, there are certain things that you are not allowed to remove from your talk page. Those are:

*Declined unblock requests regarding a currently active block.Shortcut WP:KEEPDECLINEDUNBLOCK

*Miscellany for deletion tags (while the discussion is in progress).

*Speedy deletion tags and requests for uninvolved administrator help (an administrator will quickly determine if these are valid or not; use the link embedded in the notice to object and post a comment, do not just remove the tag). Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with first submission

•  Courtesy link: Draft:PIQNIC

I submitted an article on behalf of a client for whom I am doing some editing work. I thought I did it all correctly but then it was declined. It's not long, please could you tell me what I am doing wrong?

copy of submitted draft

PIQNIC (styled in uppercase as PIQNIC), is a Cloud-based software platform for companies to manage their documents, teams and tasks. The product was launched in 2018 in New Zealand by Founder & CEO at PIQNIC Aaron Cornelius. History PIQNIC was founded in February 2018 by Aaron Cornelius. It was launched as a product arm of the company eCom which is an information management services company. eCom develop technologies in the field of information management and workflow. Since 1997, eCom focuses on how information flows in a business. They developed and implemented information management solutions that are aimed at improving business performance, which resulted in the product PIQNIC. eCom worked with companies on developing solutions, including Farmers, the Earthquake Commission, the Ministry of Fisheries, Coca-Cola Amatil and the Auckland University of Technology in New Zealand and Australia. PIQNIC is a customizable work management SaaS platform for business-grade document management, task management and team collaboration. Since April 2020, the platform is supported by partners, such as Yorkshire-based Professional Document Management (PDM), the UK certified PIQNIC partners and i&A in New Zealand.

ReneGetItDone (talk) 01:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

This company may not quite be ready for an article (see WP:TOOSOON), unless you can get them to provide some news mentions, as I can't find any. I suggest they look into a bit more publicity and then you can resubmit. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 02:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Mere news mentions won't suffice, and neither will the material that the company itself hopes to disseminate. The draft is written in corporatese, but I think that "Cloud-based software platform" means something like "storage and software combination". If this is indeed software, then the task is to demonstrate that it meets Wikipedia:Notability (software). -- Hoary (talk) 07:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I use this image?

I want to use Marie-Antoinette Maupertuis' image from this site. Its copyright notice (here) says
The copyright for the editorial content of this website, which is owned by the EU, is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International licence. This means that you can re-use the content provided you acknowledge the source and indicate any changes you have made.
But I don't know if the image is owned by EU, and the problem that'll cause is:
The use of elements (e.g. text, photos, pictures, graphs, etc.) subject to intellectual property rights of third parties is subject to prior authorisation from the copyright owner. This applies to photos displayed in the official directory of the European Union (EU WhoisWho) and in the section "Events".
So I am not sure if the image is from the above mentioned 'official directory' or owned by the EU. Can I use this image in my draft? Excellenc1📞 08:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: - yes, that image can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons under the quoted licence. Mjroots (talk) 08:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Are you sure, because considering the second quote mentioned above, I don't think I can use the image. Excellenc1📞 08:28, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: - I do see that there is a conflict, but the licence given means that the second part is negated (AIUI). That said, it might be better for you to copy this whole conversation over to WP:MCQ, where the real experts hang out. Mjroots (talk) 08:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Chris Moore (radio presenter)

Hi, I've recently written a Draft article on the radio presenter Chris Moore, which can be found here Draft:Chris Moore (radio presenter). However I might have created it in my sandbox as I can't find the submit for review box, I was wondering if anyone might be able to help or move it into drafts for review. Thanks very much, Mrluke485 (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

It looks like User:Theroadislong has added the submission template for you, so you should be able to submit it for review when you're ready. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:09, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hodlnaut article draft

Dear Team,

Would you be able to give me a better explanation on why my article on Hodlnaut was declined? They have many references that meet the guidelines, and it has been written from a neutral perspective. Hope you can go into detail about why and pinpoint the relevant references that do not fit into the article.

Thank you for taking the time to review the draft for the Hodlnaut page too. I have been continuously working on this and making the changes as advised, but it still gets rejected. Can you provide some guidance/help on the areas in the draft of what needs to be changed?

13 August 2021 Draft:Hodlnaut — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixminseasypace (talk • contribs) 08:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem with the article is that most of the references in it are either press releases, advertisements, or come from questionable sources. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

• "How S'pore startup Hodlnaut is able to offer 10% interest rates on your cryptocurrencies"—Vulcan Post seems a questionable source to me, and I suspect the article is sponsored by the company.
• "Founders Series: Juntao Zhu, Co-Founder & CEO of Hodlnaut" comes from Antler, described as "a global VC firm that backs early-stage startups" in your article, so not an independent source.
• "Antler pours US$2.4M into its second batch of 17 startups" is routine coverage.
• "Crowe Singapore Validates US$106 Million in Crypto Assets Held by Hodlnaut" is a press release, routine coverage, and does not come from an independent source.
• "Hodlnaut Selects Fireblocks to Provide Robust Security for Digital Assets" is a press release and routine coverage.
• "Blockchain Blocks: What You Need to Know About Wrapped Bitcoin"—"The following post was written and/or published as a collaboration between Benzinga’s in-house sponsored content team and a financial partner of Benzinga."
• "Hodlnaut Announces the Launch of Preferred Interest Payout" is a press release and routine coverage.

Phrases such as "a mission to help users make the most of their cryptocurrencies", "an enterprise-grade platform that provides a secure infrastructure for moving, storing, and issuing digital assets", and "next-generation private key security (MPC-CMP) and hardware isolation technology (SGX) that creates multi-layer security, eliminating a single point of failure and insulating digital assets from internal collusion, human error, and cyber-attacks" are not neutral and reek of promotion. Kleinpecan (talk) 10:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Per the comment on your Talk page, clarify your PAID and/or COI status before doing any more article edits. David notMD (talk) 10:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Where to make an ("internal") proposal

Please pardon for asking a question that may be basic. Even though I have edited Wikipedia for years, there are still many things that I need orientation for.

Where should proposals be made? There is a centralized Village Pump page with subpages. I understand that is the main place to go. However, should we go there for ALL proposals? Two real and recent examples of mine:

• I made a proposal in the talk page of Wikipedia:Service awards about introducing a complementary way to count edits to qualify for service awards. I also included a note in the the talk page of WikiProject_Wikipedia_Awards to invite more editors to comment.
• In the Wikipedia_talk:Deceased_Wikipedians/Guidelines I also made a proposal about adding the deceased year in the tophat note placed in the userpages of deceased wikipedians.

What these two proposals have in common is that it is about making tweaks to internal practices of the wikipedia community, but not changes in how we actually contribute to expanding/improving actual encyclopedic articles. It is for that reason that I thought that it was better to keep those proposals outside the Village Pump. But was that a valid approach? One challenge is that those pages appear to be less transited by Wikipedians, and fewer if any editors may share their comments. Thank you. Al83tito (talk) 00:05, 13 August 2021 (UTC) Al83tito (talk) 00:05, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Al83tito A RfC may help. ― Qwerfjkltalk 11:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

How can I add a picture

 Amahle Ndlala (talk) 10:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Amahle Ndlala Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please follow the instructions at WP:UPIMAGE. It is much easier if you are the one who took the picture; if you didn't, you have to figure out if the copyright/license permits you to add it. If it's just a picture you found on the internet, you may not be able to use it. 331dot (talk) 11:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

How to control displayed link in Infobox Youtube Personality - For Channel Name

I am trying to link to This channel, but when I insert that as the link, it gives the Channel name as "UCbDD0pK4reThSbG4iMG49-Q". Is there a way I can control what name is displayed? DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@DiamondIIIXX: I think you just put the description you want to be displayed into the "channel_display_name" parameter. Neiltonks (talk) 11:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Neiltonks: Cheers DiamondIIIXX (talk) 11:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

A query about notability and references

Good afternoon! I wanted to ask for some advice regarding an article I recently submitted: Draft:Naza Alakija. I have asked MurielMary who fed back, but I'm awaiting a response, so thought I would bring it to the teahouse! The feedback I received was that the subject of the article was not notable enough, not having secondary, independent references. However I included articles from both Marie Claire and Business Day, which I'd consider to be substantial sources, amongst others. Do you think the concern is that the articles I included are also interviews with the subject? Do they need to be entirely independent? I greatly appreciate any help. Very best, Shepherdonhydra (talk) 11:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC) Shepherdonhydra (talk) 11:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Shepherdonhydra Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, interviews with the subject do not establish notability, as they are the subject's own words about themselves. Any article about this person should summarize only what independent reliable sources say about the person, not what they say about themselves. There may be a role for sources with interviews in an article, but they do not establish notability. Just FYI I fixed your link to the draft, as the whole URL is not necessary. 331dot (talk) 11:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for coming back to me 331dot! In the case of this interview for example, there is an introduction by the journalist about the subject, before commencing the interview. Would that not suffice as an independent source? https://businessday.ng/life-arts/article/naza-alakija-empowering-entrepreneurs-to-build-tech-solutions-to-fight-climate-change/ Thank you! Shepherdonhydra (talk) 11:34, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

What is the image that shows up in an article preview when your arrow key is on a Wikipedia Link called?

You put your arrow key on a Wikipedia link, and depending on the article, an image sometimes shows up on the preview on that Wikipedia article. Is there any official terminology for that? BurritoQuesadilla (talk) 03:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

The page information tool calls it "page image". Kleinpecan (talk) 07:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@BurritoQuesadilla: Yes, it's selected by mw:Extension:PageImages. If Page Previews shows an image then it will be the page image. The similar feature Navigation popups may show another image. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:48, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

How to use an image from Twitter?

I know that images from Twitter exist in Wikipedia, but what is the CC license of such images? (I want to use this image) Excellenc1📞 10:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

There is no mention of any CC license. Unless you have clear evidence to the contrary, you should assume that there is no CC license, and that the copyright holder "reserves all rights". And therefore you may not use the photograph. -- Hoary (talk) 12:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

The update of the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia page Лі Чжаньшу and Лі Цяньсінь

Hello. I would like to plead to you for this thing. This thing is concerning and based in the Ukrainian Wikipedia:

Could you please update the two pages that I recently created in the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia, namely Лі Чжаньшу (Li Zhanshu) and Лі Цяньсінь (Li Qianxin), whom Li Qianxin is Li Zhanshu's elder daughter? I try to connect the pages with the Chinese-language Wikipedia.

Thank you. talk 09:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

This is English Wikipedia- we have no control over other language Wikipedias. I believe that the Ukrainian Wikipedia's help desk is here. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

If you're asking about having a Ukrainian-language article say that a Chinese-language article on the same subject is available -- as uk:Томськ advertises the existence of zh:托木斯克 -- then this is something that you arrange not in either of those articles but instead at WikiData (for that example, here). -- Hoary (talk) 12:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I use an image from this site?

One of the paragraphs of its legal notices (linked in the headline) says (translated version):
Reproduction of all or part of this site on an electronic medium is prohibited except under the following conditions: copy of the pages or files for offline consultation or for internal use and subject to the addition of a clear and legible source http://www.isula.corsica and the mention "Rights reserved".
Can I use an image from this site? Excellenc1📞 14:02, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, Sorry no, that doesn't conform to our requirements. The requirement for attribution is perfectly fine but limiting to off-line consultation or internal use is not. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Referencing foreign language information from an archive

I have some relevant information discovered in an old archive to add to Wikipedia, however the original information is not in English.

Can we link to this as a citation or reference directly, or does it need to be translated?

Also, I have the archive information only a a photo at the moment and it isn't available online, how would you normally go about publishing this sort of information to be publicly verified? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 13:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Occasionalpedestrian It is not required that a source be in English, see WP:NOENG for more guidance in this area. It is also not required that a source be online, but it must be avaliable to the public to access if they wanted to. When citing, you need to provide the relevant information, author, date, publisher, etc., so that someone could find it. 331dot (talk) 13:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@331dot What does 'publicly available to public' mean exactly? Considering Paywalled articles and archives in obscure locations would both be allowed but practically inaccessible in many cases. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Most archives are not fully digitized, so this is not uncommon and is allowed policy wise. Include the official name in the non English language, and provide an English translation per WP:ANNOTATION. In the event that there is a content dispute, the fact it's not easily verifiable means onus will be on you to find better sources, but otherwise, go for it! Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Occasionalpedestrian Paywalls are not a barrier to using a source(either digital or physical). Anyone is free to purchase access if they really want to examine and verify the source information. Being in an obscure location is not a barrier either, as long as someone could access it if they wanted to. 331dot (talk) 13:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Occasionalpedestrian. As stated above a source does not have to be in English or provided for free. In fact, ease of availability is not a criteria at all. Even if a source can only found in university library, as a hard copy, it can still be used as a source as per WP:INDICATEAVAIL, provided it is considered reliable. Under our policy on verifiability, there is a section which details what is considered a reliable source, "Source material must have been published, the definition of which for our purposes is "made available to the public in some form". Unpublished materials are not considered reliable. Use sources that directly support the material presented in an article and are appropriate to the claims made. The appropriateness of any source depends on the context. The best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments.". If a source has been published, even in hard copy form, then it passes one category of the reliability factor. The other is the level of reliability based on the professional structure or editorial process. This is why peer-reviewed published journals are more favorable as opposed to a doctoral thesis project, even one that is published. I hope all of the information provided gives you some insight. Happy editing! --ARoseWolf 14:32, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hoe to become a host

Hi im new and i want ro become a host so if you have Time please invite me or send me a request or instruction of how ro become a host ......It would mean a lot. Thank you. By the way my name is Asian gal or Matshidiso....😚😘😘😃😄

}} 41.114.107.63 (talk) 16:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Matshidiso. Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I love your enthusiasm, but I suggest you create an account and spend some weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works before you try to become a host and answer people's questions: see WP:Teahouse/Host start. Please start with Help:Introduction. Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Begs a question - can a person without an account, i.e., only IP, be a Teahouse Host? Although this question appears to have come from Asian gal, who forgot to log in. David notMD (talk) 17:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I think we would expect Hosts to be registered account holders, as this makes them uniquely identifiable as friendly helpers, rather than as anonymous numbers, and much easier to ping or respond to. That said, anyone can answered questions here -IP users included - providing they know what they are talking about. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I agree. Someone, somewhere is going to argue that IP accounts should be allowed to host but I don't think expecting a house to be registered is an unreasonable requirement. IP accounts are permitted to edit articles but that doesn't mean they can have all the rights of registered accounts. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Let's not forget that IP addresses can be dynamic, so the person who signs up to be a host one day might not be the same person on that IP on the following. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:02, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with publishing please!

Hi there, I would love some help on how to get my page on Wiki published please. I'm new to Wiki as a publisher and it seems there are soooo many hoops to jump through just to publish. Novice here! Thanks. Page concerned if you can open it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Protected_Trust_Services_(PTS) Johnattreed (talk) 12:55, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Johnattreed: Welcome to the Teahouse! The only reference you have in your draft is from PTS themselves. In order to demonstrate that this organization meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion - called "notability" - you need to provide independent reliable sources. At the top of your draft is a gray box stating "This submission's references..." which contains six links to Wikipedia's guidelines. I suggest you click on each link and read them all. Help:Your first article is also a helpful resource. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Johnattreed, and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing an encyclopaedia article (which is what we do here) is a complex and challenging task. I think that your question (which we get often here) is a bit like "I would love some help to build my house. I'm new to the building trade" - to which the most sensible answer is "Spend a significant amount of time - certainly weeks, probably months - learning the trade by taking on small jobs. When you understand enough of how the system works that you understand how the "hoops" are there to make it possible for you to build a house that does actually stays standing, then might be the right time to start trying to build your house." --ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Merging an article

I recently did my first merge and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to check my work to make sure I did it all correctly. I merged Enhanced podcast into Podcast. Thank you in advance. TipsyElephant (talk) 17:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant The talk page section was correct updated and you attempted to include a Wikipedia edit message. The target section was slightly wrong. You linked to the discussion, whereas it should have been Podcast#Enhanced podcasts not Podcast#Merge Discussion for Enhanced Podcast. I fixed it for you. Thank you for merging and seeking feedback! Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Citations not accepted

Hello, I'm wondering why the submission has been declined, as I believe I have cited everything. Thank you so much for any insight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Daniel_Bruttig LJRBK1 (talk) 14:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

At first glance I can see the references are not formatted correctly (they're just URLs). I suggest reading through this guide for how to properly add citations. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:27, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skeptic, optimization of bare URLs isn’t necessarily wrong. I personally dislike it but like I said earlier it isn’t necessarily wrong it just does not conform to our conventional manner of referencing. Celestina007 (talk) 17:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

For Draft:Daniel Bruttig, refs fixed, but that is not the problem. Refs 8-26 establish that his work has been in shows (although I recommend limiting to only solo shows), but that in itself does not establish his notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. Refs 2 & 5 are identical, to an interview, which also not accepted by Wikipedia for notability. And refs 1 & 6 (and 7) are mention of one 2015 show. David notMD (talk) 17:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Reference help

Hello, i'm kukusika, can you help me with references?

Thanks Kukusika (talk) 15:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Kukusika: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is very vague, so I'll point you to Easy referencing for beginners; hopefully it'll cover your question(s). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Kukusika, Welcome to Wikipedia! If you want to learn about referencing in articles, you can read Help:Referencing for beginners. If that didn't help, please elaborate on what exactly you want help with. Again, welcome! Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 16:08, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:List of birds in Budapest was declined because it had no references. David notMD (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

jelli

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 2400:AC40:607:EF1D:A528:40A0:60F5:70E8 (talk) 17:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there a question? Or are you just testing stuff? Place for that is your Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 18:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

What's considered a SPAM link?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

I can see a lot of websites in the above link, but there are millions of websites not there. So, how does one decide when to not use a website? If the content is published only through the editor and have proof too, then can it be used unlimited times? Cashedcashew (talk) 01:48, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Cashedcashew: An editor would make a judgement call to determine whether the website is a reliable, independent, published source with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. For more information, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources. GoingBatty (talk) 03:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Cashedcashew. Start by reading Wikipedia:Spam, then look at the pattern of edits by the person adding the source and the nature of the website. Let's say that Conglomerate X is a business that makes many types of products. If Wikipedia has an article about Conglomerate X, then it is legitimate to add an external link to the company's website to that article only. However, adding their website to the articles about all the products that they make and sell is spamming. Commercial websites, especially those that sell products and services online, should be used very sparingly. No specific web page should be used "unlimited times", and excessive use is one of the indications of spamming. It should be used only to verify content in the article, and for no other reason. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty:@Cullen328: But we can use a new link as many times as possible if new content is added to the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cashedcashew (talk • contribs)

Cashedcashew, that depends on the specific circumstances. Why would you want to use a specific source "as many times as possible" when neutral editing means that the article shpuld summarize the full range of reliable sources giving significant coverage to the topic? Some lesser known topics will have a single source such as a book that go into great depth, and perhaps newspapers and magazines will also devote significant but briefer coverage. In such a case, the book may be used far more often as a reference than the others. Please try to be more specific about your example. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Userpage

Is my userpage public? I want to ask a colleague to revise the file there. Mathman8574 (talk) 18:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mathman8574, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, your userpage is public, as are almost all pages on Wikipedia although some will not be listed on external search engines such as Google. If you provide your colleague with the direct url for your userpage, they will be able to see it. --Jack Frost (talk) 18:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Mathman8574 (ec) Yes, your userpage is visible to the public, and can technically edited by anyone, although almost always only the named user will edit it, as it is meant as a place for the named user to tell about themselves as an editor. It isn't meant as article space or a place to post anything you wish. If you are attempting to write an article about yourself(which is not forbidden, but is discouraged), you should move it to your personal sandbox or draft space and submit it using Articles for creation. Also see WP:AUTO. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Whether about you or not, appears you created it in your Sandbox, where it still exists, and then copied it to your User page. Delete if from your User page. Your colleague can edit your Sandbox. David notMD (talk) 19:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Notable actress

Please check this article Draft:Shweta Bhattacharya is he notable?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanvirnahid565 (talk • contribs)

@Tanvirnahid565: WP:NACTOR requires an actor or actress to have appeared in multiple significant roles. Can you identify sources that show she (not he) had other significant roles besides being in Jarowar Jhumko? (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

you can check his Filmography cast or search on google there are many sources you find about him. He acting many role check this pages cast Jamuna Dhaki she acting role is Jamuma and you search google his name and you can find many sources about him many news articles written about him and his television drama cast role everything

Hello Tanvirnahid565 and welcome to the Teahouse, as @Timtempleton said, in order for the subject to pass the notability test for inclusion, in this case WP:NACTOR, she must have had multiple significant roles. This needs to be clearly evident on or within the article. Both comments left on the draft seem to indicate this is not the case. If a search on google will reveal that there are many sources about her and her acting career then it should be no problem for those sources to be added which clearly demonstrate her notability. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Happy editing! --ARoseWolf 18:52, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes I am already sign my posts on talk pages Tanvirnahid565 (talk) 19:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC).)

TimTempleton yes I am identify sources he acting many role please check now reference (Tanvirnahid565 (talk) 20:14, 13 August 2021 (UTC))

Mexicans of Malaysian descent

how many mexicans are from malaysian descent  Chickenbrain897 (talk) 20:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia, Chickenbrain897? -- Hoary (talk) 21:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Chickenbrain897, Because I was curious, I did a bit of research. As of 2017, supposedly only 19 Malaysian nationals lived in Mexico (!).[3] This doesn't tell us how many people of Malaysian descent there are, but I'd expect it to be quite few given that figure. In the future, questions like these should be directed to the reference desk. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Creation of Wikipedia Pages for Twitch Streamers (move to user-space)?

Good morning all!

I am currently working to generate Wikipedia pages for Techsmith314 and MiltonTPike1 who are both streamers on Twitch. I attempted to submit these for approval, however they were moved back into drafts. I would like to request userfication while they are being worked on as well as guidance for what the requirements are for pages like this to be approved, however I am very new to this and don't know what steps are required to request userfication. I would love to start contributing more to Wikipedia, but want to ensure I am following the guidelines and procedures properly. Thank you in advance for any and all help that may be offered! SNLabat (talk) 15:01, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@SNLabat: Hello, welcome to the teahouse! To be accepted as articles your drafts will need to demonstrate that these streamers meet wikipedia's definition of a notable person: This means that you need to show that these people have been covered in depth in multiple, reliable sources that are independent of the article subject. As it stands your drafts are sourced to these streamers own social media (which is not independent and should only be used for basic fact, see WP:About self) and a stats tracking website, which is not significant coverage. You should be looking for things like news coverage, magazine articles and coverage in books, but bear in mind that stuff written by the subjects themselves (like press releases) does not count towards establishing notability. You might want to read WP:Your first article which has some good advice. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 15:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@SNLabat: Also with regards to moving the pages, you should be able to do this yourself. If you open the draft you should see a "move" tab at the top of the page. Follow the instructions at Help:Moving a page. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 15:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

The history of Draft:Techsmith314 and Draft:MiltonTPike1 are that you created both as articles, i.e., not submitted for approval, and a New Pages Patroller flipped them to draft status. (No idea what you mean by "userfication.") The next proper steps are to improve the drafts and submit to Articles for Creation (AfC) so that a Reviewer can decide to accept or decline (or Reject = worse). YouTube, Twitter and TwitchTracker do nothing as far as establishing Wikipedia's concept of notability, so both need all new refs. David notMD (talk) 17:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD I presume by 'userfication' they meant 'move to (their) userspace'. ― Qwerfjkltalk 21:51, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Deeper dig: Created as articles 11 March. Moved to draft 11 March. No editing since then. SNLabat got a note recently that it has been five months with no activity, and that both draft would be deleted at six months. All it takes to turn off the delete clock is to resume editing the drafts. As drafts. And then submit. David notMD (talk) 22:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Question

How long does it take for a wikipedia page to be accepted for publication? TheEdgarBox (talk) 18:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

TheEdgarBox Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft lacked the information required to actually submit your draft for review, so I added it. However, if you were to submit it now, it would be rejected quickly, as it is largely an advertisement for the book, with only one source not including the book itself. A Wikipedia article is not for merely telling about the subject. An article about a book must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the book, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable book. Please see Your first article for more information. If you get the draft to a point where it summarizes what independent reliable sources say about the book, and submit it, you will be given an estimated time for review(currently it's a week, but can be much longer as it is not a queue). 331dot (talk) 18:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

TheEdgarBox Your draft has been nominated for Speedy deletion, as it appears most of it was copied from a copyright-protected source. I expect it will soon be deleted, with no record of it ever having existed. David notMD (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Happened. You can try again, but no copying content. And have references about the book. David notMD (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Climate change in 2021

 104.13.58.13 (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I know, right? Don't remind us. :-( TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:16, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

If you're looking for an article, here it is: 2021 in climate change. --107.15.157.44 (talk) 02:52, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Notability tag on high-ranking government official

Hello, pls kindly give opinion on Talk:Yin Yin Oo#Notabality. As I'm an experienced Burmese editor on Wikipedia, I strongly believed that she clearly passes WP:NPOL. Taung Tan (talk) 18:41, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

@Taung Tan, there are a few things happening here. First, please assume good faith, and don't accuse Onel5969 of bullying you just because they PRODed or placed a notability tag on the article. The burden is on the page creator to demonstrate its notability, so if the sourcing isn't readily identifiable as strong enough, reviewers may add those tags. They are making their way through a gigantic mountain of new pages that need to be patrolled and using their best judgement about what is likely to be notable, and I highly doubt they have any particular animosity toward Burmese topics. However, you've made it clear at this point (through de-prodding and then removing the notability tag) that you stand behind the notability of the page, so I think it's incumbent now for Onel to either nominate the page for deletion so that it can go through the community process or let you remove the tag if they are convinced on second look/by the sources you've added that it's notable. @Onel5969, does that sound reasonable? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:50, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Sdkb Thank you for fair point. I already made it cleart at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Htein Lin (colonel). But he ignored. Taung Tan (talk) 03:21, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Taung Tan. Her notability under NPOL does not seem at all clear to me. She is a member of an advisory board to the military junta. She was formerly a deputy director general of a subdivision of the foreign ministry. Those positions are far from a clear pass of NPOL. Also, the references in the article are passing mentions of her, not significant coverage. If she meets NPOL, then it should be easy to add references to independent sources covering her in much more depth. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:56, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi all. The individual clearly does not meet WP:NPOL, as per the current content or sourcing. And the current sourcing does not support GNG. I tagged it to prod (not PROD) other editors to provide sourcing to substantiate any claim to notability. My usual modus operandi is to allow the tag to sit for 1-2 months to allow time for development. At which point in time, if no other editor has improved the article to meet WP notability standards, I'd send it to AfD. A PROD would not be appropriate in this instance, since it would clearly be contested. So I would disagree with Sdkb (although thanks for the ping) that it is now incumbent on me to nominate it for deletion at this time. I think a more appropriate course of action would be for interested editors to improve the article. BTW, I ignore personal attacks or uncivil posts from other editors for the most part, such as that left on the article's talk page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:14, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Hum ? Deputy head of state level government department does not meets WP:NPOL? Oh my god, really? Do you confusing with head of township level department or district level? I agree that current sourcing does not enough and should be tagged {{refimprove}}. Also an advisor of Union Government of Myanmar is meet NPOL, clearly consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Htein Lin (colonel). onel5969 taken my article to AfD even he was a state minister. Just say it again "minister doesn't passes WP:NPOL". How amazing Wikipedia editors. You should ask to other Burmese editors about Myanmar's political office ranks. Don't judge other country's without knowledge. Ok I'll take back-door nomination. Thanks Taung Tan (talk) 03:09, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

The Irrawaddy featured her career and position with a paragraph "Daw Yin Yin Oo worked as deputy director general of the foreign ministry of President U Thein Sein’s administration. She retired in 2016 before the NLD government took office. She is the daughter of late president Dr. Maung Maung, who ruled for a month, following the 1988 nationwide uprising. " It is not only single source also can be found at [4]

No. It does not feature her at all. It merely mentions her.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:58, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

However she passes WP:NPOL clearly. IDC Taung Tan (talk) 05:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Taung Tan: I think some of the confusion here stems from the fact that people in the conversation are looking at two different things. You're talking about the formal criteria, looking at her position. Others are talking about how she's treated by sources for the article, rather than what she's doing, which has become the English Wikipedia measure stock in discussions like these at the expense of many other considerations. If there are more in-depth sources – maybe in Burmese? – that would help. /Julle (talk) 09:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

• Julle finally I understand. Thanks for pointed me out. You are good like a mentor! Taung Tan (talk) 05:21, 14 August 2021 (UTC)