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Draft:Noise militia questions

ok--got questions regarding 2nd declination of Draft:Noise militia

---is a song getting the guinness world record for longest song 'notable'? editor TheBirdShedsTears said It appears notable per its Guinness Records in the 1st declination on 7/23. then editor Sahaib3005 says This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article question notability. i'm confused.

--are not the Guinness world record page this song is included in as well as the LI Herald newspaper who did a feature on the song and artist about the record.

please help clear this up. thanks! 613codify (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

 613codify (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

One problem is Guinness: the difficulty is that the Guinness Book of Records is notorious as offering a record for almost anything: you can have "most teahouse questions asked in ten minutes" if you want, Guinness will probably put it in there. As such, merely appearing in the Guinness book of records won't establish notability. You'd need to find some other source that underlines that the record really is a notable one, and not just Guinnessfodder. Ideally, you'd want a music critic in a magazine saying "this is notable as the longest ever song (according to Guinness)", because once someone independent and meaningful has picked up on it, that's evidence that the world really cares. Elemimele (talk) 13:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Replacing an Image

Hello, can someone please add this pic: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lujaina_Mohsin.jpg to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lujaina_Mohsin_Darwish Right now it's a couple pic and having a single portrait will be better. GONvsKillua (talk) 13:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Done. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Bodaskolan

could i be payed as a wikiedia editor. Bodaskolan (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Bodaskolan: Welcome to the Teahouse. By the Wikimedia Foundation? No. Everyone here volunteers to edit. Someone might reach out and offer payment in exchange for some editing, but then you'd be bound and restricted by Wikipedia's paid editing policy, one of which would be you virtually wouldn't be able to edit the pages in question directly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia itself (in other words, the Wikimedia Foundation) isn't going to pay you for editing Wikipedia. If you're getting paid to edit Wikipedia (as part of a job, for example) you should be aware of the policy surrounding paid contributions. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

list article chart

Hello again, Teahouse hosts--I've another question: How do I make the chart on THIS TABLE have columns all portioned as is the first section sub-titled 1577. The date column on the 1577 section is nicely formed so that the dates display well. However, all subsequent columns have a date column which is too narrow.

Please know this is my sandbox and I've not yet submitted the article. I'll do so shortly after I rectify this matter of column width. Most kind regardsHu Nhu (talk) 03:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 03:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: See Help:Table#Setting_column_widths. Just specify the columns the same width. Note that using pixel width "px" is discouraged in favor of percentages or em. If you don't know what an "em" is, see em (typography).

On a separate note, I'd not use thumb for the pictures in the table to get rid of that annoying border. Something like this: [[File:Plymouth Sound and Breakwater.jpg|200px]] ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, I will look into the table setting assistance you mention. I certainly appreciate that you took an extra moment and saw the problematic border--yes, it was annoying--and offered a most excellent suggestion. the 200px took care of the matter very neatly. Thank you for your kind attention. Most kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How does notability for software works?

I have come across several software-related articles in Wikipedia that have pretty much only primary sources and developer/user forums related-sources. One example would be Anki, there are several others in KDE Applications, which has tons of pages and its own category - and I just realized it has recently been proposed for deletion. I don't see anything that proves WP:N for these. From the looks of it, it is users and developers using Wikipedia as a resource for sharing things they work on, which is WP:NOT what Wikipedia is for. Am I missing something? Or should I propose pages similar to those for deletion? Thanks in advance. VdSV9•♫ 15:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

No, VdSV9, you're probably right: there's a huge amount of dross in Wikipedia that shouldn't be there, and you would be improving Wikipedia by dealing with some of it. But notice that "does not demonstrate notability" is not enough to delete an article - you need to do the diligence and establish that the subject does not in fact meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - see BEFORE. If an article is inadequate but salvageable, it can be draftified. --ColinFine (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, sadly, when things turn up at AfD, all it takes is a couple of determined editors to declare that the software is desperately notable, and a puzzled admin may be tempted to err on the side of caution and close the debate as 'no consensus' (which is true), in which case the article remains. If you come across a situation where a group of editors are apparently using Wikipedia as a resource to share things they work on, or promote them, then it is almost certain that those editors will oppose deletion, making 'no consensus' nearly inevitable. It is harder to change the status quo than do something new: Articles that wouldn't pass review to be created fresh, are nevertheless hard to delete. Elemimele (talk) 15:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Televion / Commercial Advertisments

Since television / commercial advertisements are also a part of any actor's or model's work. But are they considered and allowed to be mentioned here on Wikipedia if reliable sources are added? ManaliJain (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

If you're suggesting listing adverts they've appeared in like a list of shows, then no, Wikipedia doesn't do that. With reliable sources though, you can mention in prose that they've signed a multimillion pound contract, to be the face of Cooper's Creosote for the next five years. - X201 (talk) 14:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

And the usual measures of notability apply. Some adverts become almost works-of-art, permeating all corners of society, and infiltrating our culture (in the UK, SpecSavers, I'm looking at you, amongst others; the article on Toby Williams (comedian) quite rightly records his role as a short-sighted vet in the Specsavers adverts). If an advert becomes such a big part of our culture that the columnists of national newspapers write whole chunks about it, then the advert itself risks becoming article-worthy. Elemimele (talk) 16:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How to request edit of "extended-confirmation protected" page: OneCoin

•  Courtesy link: OneCoin

How would I go about requesting an edit or addition to a page? It would be great if a line could be added to the OneCoin page stating "not to be confused with Harmony One", or along those lines. I can see editors who have edited it in the past, but no way to contact them directly. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneCoin Jeffrice47 (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jeffrice47: You can follow this link to make an edit request on the article talkpage, Talk:OneCoin. Please be aware that edit requests are intended to ask for a specific change to be made, not to request access to the article itself. I'll leave a welcome note on your user talkpage in a few seconds. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How to propose a Category Rename/Redirect?

Hello, through a recent edit that showed up in my watchlist I would like to propose a category rename + redirect(?). Because a) I think it fits better, and b) is in line with other similar categories. How do I go about this? :) Do I post it on the talk page of said category or is there a more central place to do so? Thank you -- Mvbaron (talk) 06:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Mvbaron Hello, check out Wikipedia:Categories for discussion! You should also notify the creator and relevant projects. Twinkle automates a lot of that for you. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! That's perfect. -- Mvbaron (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Review Articles

 Sum565 (talk) 16:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Sir can you told my why my article are not approved Draft:Sheikh Jubayer Hasan But the same category player articles are alive on Wikipedia Shakhir Hossain this article and my article are related but my article are not approved. there are play same luge and also debut T 20 cricket

@Sum565: Other stuff exists is rarely a good argument. We determine notability on a case by case basis. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Stack templates neatly on Talk page

How do I get multiple templates to stack neatly one above the other on a Talk page, instead of floating superimposed on each other? Lee Choquette (talk) 18:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Lee Choquette: The two templates you're using there, {{Translated page}} and {{Connected contributor}}, aren't designed to be side by side. We usually put the translated template below the connected contributor one to make the talk page more compact. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Thanks, that did the trick! Now I know to play with the ordering next time. Lee Choquette (talk) 19:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Previous Created Page about a person Rejected and blocked for Same page creation again

Hello, username - Strange editor 2 I have Created a Article page 'Mohammed Shanooj' about a musician person, but it got rejected and deleted. But still after collecting lots of source, reference & news, i cant create same page again. Please Unblock me from Creating 'Mohammed Shanooj' page Strange editor 2 (talk) 18:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

You can create a draft and submit it for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Strange confirmed as sockpuppet of Mohammed Shanooj. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

That didn't take long. --ARoseWolf 19:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Getting An Article Posted.

 Courtesy link: Draft:Hiram A. Murray

I wrote an article about myself and my career, article title "Hiram A. Murray". Was wondering how do I get it posted? Is it in the review process? Hirmurray (talk) 16:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Hirmurray and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that Theroadislong left you some very good advice on both your submission and at your user talk page after you posted your question here. I would suggest consulting that information on how to proceed. Wikipedia strongly discourages the writing of autobiographies as articles here and many wrongly interpret Wikipedia as being a social media platform for them to create a "profile" by which they will generate more traffic their way. This is not the purpose or intent of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia with articles about subjects that receive significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources. To be blunt, Wikipedia does not want to know what you have to say about yourself but what verifiable independent sources have to say about you. (See WP:AUTOBIO, WP:N, WP:OR, and WP:V for starters) --ARoseWolf 16:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Huge amount of content, three itty-bitty references, heading toward Declined. And I am willing to bet a modest amount of money that Hirmurray, creator of the draft, did not take the three photos of Murray claimed as Own work.David notMD (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

First one looks like an executives profile picture. I'm not sure about the Marine Corps photo. The third one looks like it was taken during one of his interviews and may be copyrighted by whomever conducted the interview and the final one, now deleted, showing him and his family is cute but presented all kinds of BLP issues. In short, its possible it could be own works but it is equally possible one or more are a copyright violations. --ARoseWolf 19:54, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

ARoseWolf How can any be "Own work" if the draft is by Hiram A. Murray and he claims he took the photos? None look like selfies. David notMD (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I guess its worth asking. Does "Own Work" literally mean it has to be a photo or picture taken by the subject or on a camera owned by the subject or just in possession of the subject? I've seen photo's added to user pages that were classified as "Own Work" yet are clearly not selfies. It's a valid question. --ARoseWolf 20:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Laurence Myers article contents appears in the wrong place

The contents section in the article I am writing has appeared in a different place. Not sure how that has happened...How can I move it back to the right area? Thanks for any helpVedlagt (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Vedlagt (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Vedlagt: Are you talking about the table of contents box? Don't worry about that, it is generated automatically and is only in the wrong place because of the draft banners. If your draft is approved the table of contents will be fine. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 22:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Laurence Myers

(edit conflict) @Vedlagt:  Fixed! GoingBatty (talk) 22:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Image Question

Can I upload this image? https://static.univision.com/fragments/noticias/home-locales/images/radio-stations/houston/depts-houston.png ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: You could use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard to upload it, which will prompt you for the article name and the appropriate fair use criteria. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

List of 3D films

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § List of 3D films

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:26, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello I have just one question and I was very unsure if this was the right place to ask. There's a particular page on Wikipedia called (List Of 3D Films 2005-Onwards) and there is a bunch of random IP address constantly adding things beyond 2021 which have no reliable sources. Is there a way the page can only be edited by certain users to prevent vandals from doing this again. Because it's getting really annoying having to constantly go through and remove these non-reliable adds. Signed MOVIEFAN2001 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MOVIEFAN2001 (talk • contribs)

You might want to check out requests for page protection! WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 02:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr_Georgios_Mikellides

Why this is not published yet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr_Georgios_Mikellides Ieromaxos (talk) 04:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

You need to submit the draft for review. I have done so for you. Kleinpecan (talk) 05:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Dr Georgios Mikellides submitted. could be soon or up to ten days to be reviewed. David notMD (talk) 05:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

4 months draft

I have created this content and it has been 4 months but still it was not approved. This is my first article here in Wikipedia. Can somebody direct me to the right path please. I made a few tweaks and is so far already satisfied. What am I still missing so it can get published? Thanks so much! Heimoore77 (talk) 06:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Heimoore77. You have not submitted your draft for review, so nobody knows anything about it. Please read the instructions at Articles for Creation, and follow them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:LVIT ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 07:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I see that Draft:LVIT cites no sources. Also, it would be helpful if it started by saying what a LVIT measures/senses, before going into technical details about how it works. Maproom (talk) 07:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Why are some pages protected?

I've noticed that many pages, particularly ones focused on people who have marketing deals are protected. Often, the marketing campaign is not listed on the bio page, which makes me wonder if the artists are paying a fee to not have these things reflected on their pages. Most recently, I noticed there was no mention of Bad Bunny's Cheetos campaign on his main page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Bunny, even though the ads are on heavy rotation on Amazon Prime Video. Given how major of a campaign it is, and given how minor other details are in his bio, the most obvious conclusion to someone who is new to editing, but not new to Wiki, is market-driven censorship.

Hope I'm wrong. 00sweeney (talk) 06:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It's usually to prevent people from adding ad copy to pages or unreferenced biographical claims. The latter is especially more common when we're talking about protected articles of living people. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@00sweeney: In addition to the above response, advertising campaigns are rarely included in biographies anyways because most of them aren't within the encyclopedic scope of Wikipedia. It's one of those trivial things where WP:INDISCRIMINATE or WP:PROMOTION is a concern. This isn't to say that it's impossible; if editors can come to the consensus that the campaign is something important enough in that person's career to mention, then that campaign be in there. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@00sweeney: If you view the article's edit history, just under the title you will see a link that is titled "View logs for this page". If you click that, you'll see the list of the technical things that have been done to that article, including protection. Near the end of each entry the admin that did the procedure should have given a reason, like "Persistent Vandalism" etc. - X201 (talk) 07:33, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hassocene and other superheavy compounds

Has there been any reports about new super heavy compounds like Hassocene? I saw on the Hassium page, "As of 2019, there have been no reports of Hassocene." This is like this for a lot of pages. I think its time to update them a little as its been a few years. UB Blacephalon (talk) 03:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blacephalon please try WP:RDS for questions about Hassocene, and either ask at the article talk page about whether it's time to update certain parts of an article, or just be WP:BOLD. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Biography Page

How do I write and publish a biography page for someone here. 2600:1702:3F10:4900:65E1:35F3:8D59:2140 (talk) 05:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP, if you're considering creating a brand new article, see WP:YFA, but know that article creation is very difficult for beginners. We usually tell newbies to edit existing articles to gain experience before trying to create a new article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:22, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, unless the person meets the demands at WP:BASIC, any article about them you try to add will be removed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

A question for Media that's in the Youtube platform

Not sure where I should ask but as far as I am concerned. Making a new article page would normally require a cite of where it's from but this gave me a thought, this being in a Youtube platform instead of the usual places. Would citting a content creator, which goes by losprimerosVIIVI, they reupload videos that pretty much sound techno and such. I am aware of the rule that entails somewhere in wikipedia but just wanna get my concern out of the plow. Sorry if I sound confusing, english is not my first language. Kaspatik (talk) 08:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Kaspatik Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'll give it a go. See WP:RSPYT. Per your description, it seems losprimerosVIIVI is not something that should be used on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Ah, I see, well. At least it answered on what I needed to know. (Btw thanks for welcoming me to wikipedia from earlier haha) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaspatik (talk • contribs)

incorrect redirection of  Katarina Erlandsdotter?

machine translation of sv:Lisa Erlandsdotter and  sv:Katarina Erlandsdotter given me impression that both of them are sisters. however here Katarina Erlandsdotter redirects to Lisa Erlandsdotter? 28july21 (talk) 08:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The en:Wikipedia L E article (excuse my abbreviations) actually states that she was the sister of K E. However, we do not yet have an article on en:Wikipedia about K E, so the text on the page titled K E consists solely of a redirect to L E since K E is at least mentioned there.

The solution would be for someone to write an English language article about K E and replace the redirect link on the K E page with its text. Obviously, the article would be subject to the usual en:Wikipedia requirement: these are probably more strict than on sv:Wikipedia (where neither article has a single citation), so a straight translation of the K E article there would not in itself reach the required standard. Note that the existing en:Wikipedia article on L E also lacks any citations and is flagged as such.

It seems likely that most useful sources for either sister are going to be in Swedish; this is permissable, but restricts the pool of reviewers who are going to be comfortable reviewing the new K E article and the existing L E article once improved.

I note further that their brother and colleague Sven Erlandsson, also mentioned in the L E article and presumably no less (or more) deserving of an article, is currently a red link. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.112 (talk) 09:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd say that the basic article at Lisa Erlandsdotter is on very thin ice because of its lack of references. There's nothing wrong with references being in Swedish, but a single source in a lexicon is a very bare minimum; it'd be more encouraging if someone else, somewhere, had written about the Erlandsdotters. (1) Yes, someone could write an article for Katarina (and also an article for Sven), but without more references/evidence of notability, it might not get accepted, so the problem wouldn't be solved; (2) I have removed the square brackets round Katarina Erlandsdotter on Lisa's article because Katarina is just a redirect to Lisa, which means that this is a circular reference, previewing the very page the reader is reading! That's confusing and unnecessary; if anyone ever writes a Katarina article, it would be time to reinsert the link; (3) But to my mind, the best solution of all would be to write a page for Lisa's art-form, bonadsmålning, which is already a red-link in Lisa's article. It is more likely that there will be referenced material to create such an article, and it would be possible to add a note in the bonadsmålning article that Lisa, Katarina and Sven were artists working in that medium. That might be more appropriate, if there is little else written about them. Any Swedish art enthusiasts up for the task? Elemimele (talk) 10:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I find the page I submitted?

I created a page yesterday called Eugenio Lo Sardo. I thought that I had submitted it, but now can't find it. Then, it wanted references: While the person is perfectly well known and has held government positions I don't know what references I can use, beyond, say, book titles on Amazon which seems a bit lame. Ideas? Elifent (talk) 14:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Elifent: Welcome to the Teahouse! At the top right of any Wikipedia page, click the Contributions link to see your recent edits. I see that your page is at Draft:Eugenio Lo Sardo. When creating a draft, you should first gather your reliable sources, then summarize what they say and use them as references. You can use newspapers, magazines, books, journals, and other independent published sources for references - and they don't have to be online. See Help:Your first article for lots of guidance. GoingBatty (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Translate

Hello! I am new here, but i use Wikipedia for such a long time. I am romanian, and my small problem is that i don`t always find articles translated in romanian as well. I would really like to take some of the articles that i find useful and translate them in romanian as well, but i don`t know if i am allowed. if someone can help me with this information, i would be grateful. Puccation (talk) 14:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Puccation, I'm sure you're allowed. But as what you'll be doing is at Romanian Wikipedia, you should ask about it there, as they'll know exactly what their rules are concerning articles translated from other Wikipedias. Maproom (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Puccation, and welcome to the Teahouse. Some ideas for translating articles from English to other languages are at Translate us; but as Maproom says, you need to know the policies of your destination Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 15:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help, my 3 hour work on some article got removed.

Work on article Penicillium maximae Some user named Diannaa had deleted my work few hours ago because of copyright issues. The article was stub that I edited on and also content required couldn't be found anywhere other than internet sources. Just say you found the same information about something in 500 pages of Internet and if some huge "ADMINISTRATOR" regardless had put that information rest assured his/her work will never be removed. I have never seen something like that. Its only with me that being a "new user" they discriminate and remove my content be it found anywhere on Earth. I am sorry if i am ranting too much but I will be pleased if you kindly look into this matter. Thank You. Sagardd234 (talk) 09:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Sagardd234 and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see the messages from Dianaa and others on your talk page, where relevant Wikipedia policies are clearly explained with links to further information.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:52, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It's not Diannaa, it's you. Wikipedia has zero-tolerance for content copied of only slightly paraphrased from published sources, even if those sources are referenced. Describe in your own words. David notMD (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Sagardd234,

... if some huge "ADMINISTRATOR" regardless had put that information rest assured his/her work will never be removed.

Absolutely not true. It is the case that the years of experience needed to become an administrator mean it is virtually impossible to achieve that status without an understanding of our copyright rules, so it's rare to see edits by administrator removal copyright reasons but that's because administrators rarely violate copyright. It happens on occasion (usually accidentally due to a misunderstanding of the licensing), but I guarantee that violations of copyright by administrators are not accepted. Diannaa happens to be our resident expert on copyright. No one's perfect but I've reviewed hundreds of her removals and haven't seen an error yet S Philbrick(Talk) 15:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

How to Create Infobox

I want to create infobox for Muslim scholar in one info box all details of scholar will be cover so please help for better information of Islamic scholars thanks KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

hi and welcome to the teahouse @KhanQadriRazvi! I believe {{Infobox academic}} is the relevant infobox for this. happy editing!   melecie   t 12:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

  @User talk:Melecie  Thanks But the I wnat to creat new, which one is combination of three or four infoboxes like academic, religious, person and office holder, so please help me how to crate infobox Thanks  KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 13:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@KhanQadriRazvi: You already asked this question at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Name change. Please don't ask the same question in two different places on the same day. Wikipedia used to have a separate {{Infobox Muslim leader}}, which was merged into {{Infobox religious biography}} - see this discussion. Per Help:Infobox#Designing an infobox, I suggest you propose your reasons for a new infobox to the appropriate WikiProject and gain consensus before designing it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

 @GoingBatty- It must have happened by mistake, I will take full care of this from next time, and Thanks for Help KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 16:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitting a draft and removing copyright deletion notice

Hello, the copyright has been removed, so the tag can be removed. It won't allow me, so can anyone do it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:J.T._Patten NPFictionLibrarian (talk) 14:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I contested the Speedy deletion, because the copyvios report did not appear to indicate a high percentage of content from the mentioned source(s). However, the Declined comment about copyvios must stay with the draft. David notMD (talk) 15:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @NPFictionLibrarian: Looking at the draft history, it appears that Awiniasurania324 didn't make any significant changes before resubmitting the draft for review. I suggest you click the "Duplication Detector report" link on the copyright deletion notice, and then change the first sentence of the "History" section - either rewrite in your own words or put it in quotes. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk)

That's valid. Separate from the question of copyright content in total, text taken verbatim from sources needs to be in quotation marks and referenced. 16:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

COKE LA ROCK

 144.121.102.245 (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question? GoingBatty (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help to add map

Hi, I am trying to add a proper map to the infobox but the code is unable to find the coordinates, even though it exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kamala_Beach HxH3 (talk) 15:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@HxH3: To put coordinates into Wikipedia, we use the {{coord}} template. The syntax is a bit tricky, so I've put it in for you. Is that what you want? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Improving an article on a sportsperson

Following the Olympics, I've been trying to improve the articles on a few BMX riders, but mostly Logan Martin (BMX rider). I don't know too much about him, but I've been sourcing and adding his competition results over the past few days. Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on how I can flesh out the article and make it more like a biography? DiamondIIIXX (talk) 05:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@DiamondIIIXX: Most of that article is a list of his achievements. While that is important, a Wikipedia article is much better in prose form. I suggest you to look at other biographies on sportspeople that are good or featured and see how the article body is written and mimic that style in Martin's article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 06:28, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

When I came across the article, it had an unsourced list of his achievements and a subpar infobox. I have since expanded the infobox, sourced his achievements, and added more ones. I thought it was a good idea to source everything then move on to the prose part after everything was "discovered" as there is not a concise list of his achievements. It feels like every time I search up a competition to source it, I find another few that I have to add to the list! DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@DiamondIIIXX: Thanks for your work on sourcing. I'm not saying the list of achievements is bad (quite the opposite, actually). It's just that a good biography should have prose about the person's early life, career, etc. You do have to keep in mind WP:INDISCRIMINATE and where exactly to draw the line; I don't typically edit in this area, so I'd reach out to others that do, maybe at WP:SPORTS. Also, I'd remove the red links in the infobox, at the very least the "Pannonian Challenge" one and the "NASS Festival" one. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help to review the draft, Laurence Myers

Could someone read the draft, Laurence Myers, and give some feedback in how to improve it? I have also been trying to find out how to make 'contents'.

Thanks! Vedlagt (talk) 20:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

You've already received extensive feedback, at the top of that draft. Which part of what you've received is unclear? However, in addition, let's consider the lead: Laurence or Lawrence Myers was born in Philadelphia on the 12th of December 1813 and passed away on the 19th of March 1884. He started his first iron foundry in 1835 at the young age of 22 years. (i) Make the dates "12 December 1813" and "19 March 1884" respectively; (ii) "passed away" is a euphemism for "died"; (iii) "the young age of" is editorializing (readers can decide for themselves that he was young). But these points are minor: no massaging of prose will make up for lack of content, which is something that you have to find, in reliable sources. If it can't be found, no article can be created. -- Hoary (talk) 21:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Vedlagt, It would help if there were evidence that the inventions were widely exploited. It would help even more if there was a full obit of him in a major paper. DGG ( talk ) 18:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Can you ask riddleson wikipedia ? 41.114.201.205 (talk) 18:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Only if they're good riddles. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 19:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Notable riddles supported by multiple independent reliable secondary sources (WP:N)? --ARoseWolf 19:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It depends where you want to ask them. In the Teahouse, sure, but in an article, it depends on what @ARoseWolf said above. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 19:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

They could always come to my Talk Page and ask them too. I love a good riddle and it is great for community building. --ARoseWolf 19:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

section removal

why was my section removed i did provide accurate citations and references some which ae used on many wikipedia websites thats why the info box with 5 millionsq kilometres territory should be restored Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa (talk) 19:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The section being referred to is found at Talk:Maurya Empire. --ARoseWolf 20:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Query about Elhiad Cufi draft

Please Can you check this article and help me out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elhaid_Cufi I'm new on creating articles on wiki. Adel Blue Krasniqi (talk) 19:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Created section title David notMD (talk) 19:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Adel Blue Krasniqi, I've done what I can to make Draft:Elhaid Cufi look like a Wikipedia article. But it needs a lot more work. Its biggest problem is the lack of citations of reliable independent published sources that discuss him. The first source cited doesn't mention him, and the second is a video of an interview with him, and so not independent. I don't understand Albanian, so I can't comment on the third source (another Youtube video). Maproom (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hu Nhu: Formatting Assistance

Hello Teahouse hosts. I've just created an article you may see Timeline of Francis Drake's circumnavigation. You may notice in the footnotes section that between numbers 70 and 71 that the format changes. I've looked it over and cannot find what the problem is. I am absolutely BLURRY EYED from writing and editing this article, and it is the first of such magnitude for me. So, I would appreciate any assistance one of you might have. Kind regards to all,Hu Nhu (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Hu Nhu. I don't know for sure, but my thought is that something has run out of memory trying to process such a large number of {{sfn}} templates. You might like to ask at WP:VPT. Please add a header when you post a new topic here. --ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine. Sorry about the header--definitely my oversight.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: I think the template talk page might be a better place to start - I started a discussion for you. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I'll check the double pipe and then see how matters proceed from there.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: Are you refering to how some of the references show as "Turner, 2006" and some display as "Turner et al"? If so the issue is that you've added an extra pipe (this → |) to some of the references, e.g. on the 15th February section of 1579 you give the references as {{sfn|Nuttall||1967|p292}}{{sfn|Sugden||2006|pp125-126}}{{sfn|Turner||2006|pp131-133}} Note the double pipe after the author name. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 22:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

{{sfn|Drake|2005|104-105}} → {{sfn|Drake|2005|pp=104–105}} Others errors are similar; pagination requires named parameters |p= and |pp=.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Aha! The double pipe! I'll un-double pipe and see what happens.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Trappist the monk, the un-doubling worked on the et. al. You've a very discerning eye. Many thanks. Now I'll see about the odd inclusion of the & on others.

Hello Trappist the monk, Timtempleton, and ColinFine. I've discovered the rest of the problem--missing p=. Thank you all for your kind attention. Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Bullying of new users

Hi, I happened to see a pretty ugly incident yesterday between an older user and a new one. Briefly, the new user was viciously bullied and left Wikipedia because of this bullying. I left a support note on their talk page and was confronted by the same bully. An irrational allegation of sock puppetry was thrown at the new user and when they asked the bully to stop making unsubstantiated allegations the bully started a tirade that lasted hours across both their talk pages. The new user tried to end the argument many times but the bully kept hounding,harassing, etc. I was trying to make a small edit to the Takeshi Kaneshiro page and found all this in the history section. The bully has since changed their username and erased the harassment they carried out on their talk page, but the original allegation of sock puppetry against the new user they ended up abusing is still up. I don’t want to get involved since it’s none of my business but the support message I left for the new user made me a target too. I just want to make sure the bully doesn’t keep behaving like this. That’s all. Applehornet (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC). Applehornet (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Applehornet, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you see inappropriate conduct, then WP:ANI is the best place to report it - but read what it says at the top of that page first. --ColinFine (talk) 12:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Applehornet, if you need an admin to assist you in any ongoing discussion, you can summon one by adding {{admin help}}. The other editor you speak of is not exactly new, but they are not exactly old either. I doubt they have much experience outside of editing articles. You had best not judge all Wikipedia by what happens between two new users in a new page that no one experienced is aware of. Kazuha1029, please file a sockpuppet investigation or report them to WP:ANI if you are sure someone is a sockpuppet. If you are not sure, you have no business repeating your suspicion after the accused has denied it. Making accusations repeatedly without providing evidence violates WP:ASPERSIONS. Please take care not to WP:BITE newcomers. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:54, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Please note I have already disengaged from the conversation as per [[WP:BITE]. The so-called "bullying" is completely fabricated and the user above is a sock for Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Umbrellazebra. It's worth mentioning that the user also made sexist comments and discriminatory remarks which I decided to let it go as the user is new. The user proceeded to create a sock account (as above) to further substantiate this false claim. I see that at this point, I can no longer ignore this as this user is taking my willingness to concede as a sign that she can do whatever she wants.Kazuha1029 (talk) 15:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Same is happening with me. Their are two people's who are continuously accusing me of Sock puppetry and copying their style even if I hadn't copied their style nor I am having another account.Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk)

Hello Kishmish Hu Main Ok! Your userpage at User:Kishmish Hu Main Ok is almost an exact copy of User:ManaliJain. Where did you get the idea for it? Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Nobody is bullying you, @Kishmish Hu Main Ok: you really need to stop saying your partial tales here and there, everywhere. The sock puppetry case is already closed long back because the admins and the check user found no connections between the user accounts. And regarding your editing style, anyone who will have a look at your edits and contributions will make out what's true. You do get involve into plagiarism and you need to accept that. ManaliJain (talk) 14:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It seems that most of the major players in this discussion are fairly new or their accounts are fairly new to Wikipedia. Let me first, welcome you all. For those who are experienced, I expect you know the rules. Disagreements are not new to Wikipedia and we have all encountered them. When they begin to have a negative impact on editors and editing then other measures need to be taken to halt it. So, let's do this. Let's step back, take some breaths and re-evaluate the situation. Let's stop using charged wording in our comments towards each other, period. If we have concrete evidence that guidelines and policies were broken then there are venues for such things. Teahouse is not one of those. The sockpuppet investigation against @Kishmish Hu Main Ok and @ManaliJain was, in my opinion, a touch hasty. But that has been resolved so that needs to be dropped by everyone. The other issue between @Applehornet, @Kazuha1029, and @Umbrellazebra can, likewise, be resolved as has been instructed. I would caution all involved that their conduct and interactions between each other will be scrutinized and no one is above reproach. My hope is that you will find a way to resolve this without further intervention. Nevertheless, none of this is a content issue and none of this is related to the Teahouse other than that you have been pointed to the appropriate places to resolve the issue should you not find a way among yourselves. Please remember to assume good faith and understand the purpose for why we all should be here. Happy editing! --ARoseWolf 16:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

User:ARoseWolf: Thank you for your comment. I want to let you know that as an experienced editor, I am not new to disputes on Wikipedia and I have since taken the necessary steps by disengaging the conversation as per WP:BITE, WP:DR. The problem is that the user proceeded to attack my identity and make baseless claims (that I'm somehow bullying her after I pointed out she cannot just revert others edits without explanation or not engaging on talk pages), I admit I bit her. But I was angered because she made a sexist comment on my talk page assuming my gender and said that I would have treated her differently if she were a man. I proceeded to cite Wikipedia:English Wikipedia non-discrimination policy and given she was new, I let it go. But as you can see, even after my disengagement, she came on Teahouse and mislead other users such as yourself that there is somehow bullying, which she provided no evidence. Further, this account she is using is most likely a sockpuppet as per investigation ([[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Umbrellazebra). I don't want to continue on this any longer and have since stopped my discussion with this user. But her persistency in sabotaging my reputation and the continued harassment is something I can not tolerate. I much rather focus on editing and making Wiki a better place (which I've done since disengaging, while she focused on continuing disruption on Wikipedia). I ask if you all could please help me educate her that Wikipedia does not allow sockpuppets and how her behaviour is not adding any value to Wikipedia. Thank you all. -- Kazuha1029 (talk) 17:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi all, thank you for responding to my concerns. Not sure why the above user is still persisting in various allegations but I have no interest in getting involved. It was clear to me that they engaged in bullying behaviour towards an inexperienced editor and that’s all. I will not be responding to the above user whose behaviour leads me to believe that baseless accusations will continue to be levelled no matter what. Thanks to everyone else for their input. The above user behaved aggressively towards the newer user and this concerned me. I don’t condone bullying or victim blaming. That’s why I raised the issue and I have nothing to gain from this. If the above user wants to accuse others of sock puppetry to shift focus away from their bullying conduct that’s not my business. I believe I have been as reasonable as possible here. I’d like to say thank you to the Tea House for providing a safe space for this discussion. Applehornet (talk) 00:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC).

ManaliJain Usedtobecool Could you please tell me how my user page is similar as that of @ManaliJain ?Most of the people shows in their user page that They are from which country and their batches, which languages they know, their gender. And their are many other user pages also whose user page is same as mine. And tell me did ManaliJain has written in her talk page like she wants to visit S. Korea , she likes BTS and all How my user page is similar as her? And lemme tell you that ManaliJain made her user page after I made so it could also mean that she has copied my editing style. So without knowing please don't say that I am copying @ManaliJain. I have cleared hundreds of time that I am not copying anyone, not stalking anyone but why old Wikipedians like to irritate some new users??? Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk)

Removal of edit for "awkward"

 Courtesy link: Walkabout Travel Gear

An editor removed my edit for being "awkward." This information was researched and documented. Is that a real reason for removing an edit? KazakDexter (talk) 19:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, KazakDexter. The simple answer is 'Yes', I'm afraid. This edit of yours was reverted because it neither added anything encyclopaedic to the article, nor was it properly formatted. It looks like you accidentally usurped one citation by inserting another one inside it, thus losing the first one. So, yes, awkward is correct. I notice that Magnolia677 reverted a couple of your other edits, and this was because you added too much unnecessary information, which didn't really enhance the article in any way. It's all about learning to find a balance between making a useful encyclopaedia entry and not shoving all and everything into it, thus making it a bit of a mess. I hope that explains things. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The fact I didn't know how to respond is a clue -- my idea of learning by doing was not a good one.

Actually, I support learning by doing, but in many cases, doing it in a sandbox is best. I have a lot of experience, but I often find myself about to do something I'm not quite sure how to do, so I use my sandbox to test it yes out first.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Sourcing Question

Hello again!

So I've been reviewing some edit requests, and doing so brought me to the article Tara Strong filmography. The editor in question (2601:241:300:B610:CD92:3111:FE4C:9D2E) requested that I update the years that Tara worked on a particular show. When I went to review the source ([82]), I noticed that it just links to 2 Wikipedia articles and asks the reader to look at the credits sequence at the end of a cited episode. I also observe this to be the case in various other references on the page (e.g [23], [37], [19], etc). However, I see other citations that lead to off-site sources entirely to verify her work on a project (e.g [20], [80], [108], etc).

My question is this: is it standard practice to, as a source for this particular genre of information, refer the reader to a particular episode and reference the credits? If so, if a WP:RS that isn't that exists, would that be an uncontroversial edit?

Thank you for your time! ––Sirdog9002 (talk) 23:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sirdog9002, Generally speaking, some sources such as e-commerce sources may be acceptable to verify statistics but cannot in themselves be used to establish notability for an article. Furthermore if you come across a WP:CIRCULAR source, it is not permissible in any circumstance. Celestina007 (talk) 23:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Ah, I was aware that linking directly to Wikipedia as a source was discouraged, but I didn't know offhand the shortcut to a policy written about it. Thank you for that. However, to clarify on my original question: is it ever acceptable to source a particular episode of something and then declare the credits of such an episode to be citation? (such as what source 17 does with the quotation Event occurs at Closing credits.)? ––Sirdog9002 (talk) 00:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sirdog9002, I took a look at the article and went to “Ref 17” and having seen it, that is not an acceptable manner of referencing and that is not a even a “source” a Wikipedia article cannot be used as a source. To answer your question, as long as it is sourced properly, certain episodes can be sourced to substantiate claims or verify statistics but doesn’t count towards notability. For example if I were to create an article on an actor and decide to create a table, include the list of all the movies and adjacent them place a source per WP:FILMOGRAPHY I’m somewhat justified but why do that when I can easily create an WP:EL section and include a link to the IMDb of the subject of the article. Assuming I do substantiate all movie entries if they do not show how WP:NACTOR is met I’m wasting my time, thus theoretically although such sources may be permissible but they do not count towards establishing notability. Celestina007 (talk) 01:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

my edit has been deleted

Hi, im new to wikipedia

I was editing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Bug_(video_game) which currently has information about the arcade game, console ports and a BBC Micro Computer port called bumble bee

There is a new open source port for the BBC Micro Computer that has just been completed and I was editing the page to include this information

At some point my edit disapeared and being new to this system I assumed I had made some mistake while editing so I started again but then my edit vanished and this time I received an alart message

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Lady Bug (video game), you may be blocked from editing. Bbb23 (talk) 18:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Why is this happening ? The content is not unsourced/poorly sourced, its a brand new project that has just been completed

Heres two sources

• https://lovebug.ml (the home of the project)
• https://stardot.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=21812 (the full project process from start to finish)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveBug2084 (talk • contribs)

@LoveBug2084: An administrator, @Bbb23, was the one who reverted your edit. It looks like they did so because you did not include reliable sources that supported the text you added. Additionally, one or more external links you added have been removed because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 19:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

A) you have to reference as you write. B) neither the company website nor a forum are considered reliable source citations. David notMD (talk) 19:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@LoveBug2084: Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, it would be appropriate for you to discuss your suggestions for improvement on the article's talk page: Talk:Lady Bug (video game). Providing independent reliable sources would also be beneficial. Happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 01:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Artem Yasynskyy

Hi, can you please help me? In one article I wrote on "Artem Yasynskyy" I got a speedy deletion nomination without any arguments given. I'm quite sure that this is not justified. I could not contest the nomination - what should I do? Thanks!! Ch. Nabe (talk) 21:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ch. Nabe, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I cannot view the article (if it has been deleted)but if you create an article that falls under the confines of what is contained in WP:CSD, your article may be speedy deleted whether or not you contest it especially promotional, blatant copyrights and attack pages. You can however locate the admin who deleted you article and initiate a dialogue with them. Celestina007 (talk) 22:10, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Artem Yasynskyy Another editor has removed the speedy tag. RudolfRed (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Ch. Nabe (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed, thanks for the link @Ch. Nabe, it appears the article wasn’t actually speedy deleted. Celestina007 (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ch. Nabe: Every fact and award should have a reference, or they should be removed. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Move

How to notify at Article B and C that a move discussion regarding them is open at Article A?  Peter Ormond 💬 02:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: I believe it will depend if Article B and C are being moved to Article A or from Article A. I'm looking over WP:REQMOVE, I believe the instructions are there. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲: The names of Articles A, B and C are to be changed and that is being disussed solely at the talk page of Article A. So, I need to inform at B and C. Peter Ormond 💬 03:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond, I believe you can use this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}} ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind, that code only works in talkspace. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

A bot should tag the articles within an hour or so of placing Template:Requested move on the talk page of Article A. Article B and C need to be listed in Template:Requested move in order for the bot to tag them as well. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

How to write a page on a topic when there exist less online sources?

 KamruzzamannAsif (talk) 03:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@KamruzzamannAsif: Welcome to the Teahouse. Sources do not need to be online, so long as they're reliable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

  Tenryuu Thanks have a good day KamruzzamannAsif (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft Question

Is there any problems with the Draft:Prende TV? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for wanting to help Wikipedia with a new article, and for putting so much time and effort into your draft. Though you have found a couple of articles from the Los Angeles Times, I suspect most of your references will be considered to be press releases sent out by Prende TV. I didn't find a reference telling what anyone outside of the company has to say about it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and it's important to tell what reliable sources, with no connection to Prende, have written about the streaming platform.

Also, your sources state Prende TV will have Spanish language content, but that isn't mentioned in your article. Many who don't watch Spanish language TV won't be familiar with Univision.

Perhaps your article is too soon, and it would be better to wait until newspapers and other sources with no connection to Prende TV have a chance to write in-depth articles about it, and state whether it is finding an audience. It may be that in a few months more reliable sources will be available. Best wishes on your Wikipedia work. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back @ItsJustdancefan! I would remove the "a lot of" from the last sentence; otherwise the writing looks fine. Make sure the sources say what you have cited them for. That leaves the matter of notability. This, currently #2 in the article, looks like a WP:SIGCOV. If there are a few more, it should get accepted. Looks like this is supposed to be a big thing for the Spanish-speaking demographic in all of US, so it ought to be notable. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Recovering Deleted Page?

Hello, my Draft was deleted despite the copyright being cleared. I don't understand why. The content has been Public Domain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:J.T._Patten Can someone retrieve it back please? NPFictionLibrarian (talk) 01:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@NPFictionLibrarian: You can make an undeletion request at WP:REFUND, but it is unlikely to be approved without good reason. You may wish to ask @Nosebagbear for clarification as to why they deleted your draft article. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 01:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

We can't just take your word for it that "the copyright was cleared" (which is not a very meaningful sentence, sorry) because — and this might surprise you — sometimes, people lie. I do note that Mr Patten's website now has the phrase "[This material is for Public Use]", which I assume is intended to be — but is not actually — a statement licensing the material for use in accordance with Wikipedia's requirements. DS (talk) 02:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

@NPFictionLibrarian and DragonflySixtyseven: - the content was duplicated from a prior version of the site that didn't, I believe, even make an attempt at licensing properly. The fact that it's now gone means that even if there was a legitimate disclaimer at the bottom that met our requirements (and it isn't, atm) it still wouldn't apply to that text. Nosebagbear (talk) 05:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)