Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User bd

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: keep. $Salvio giuliano$ 21:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User bd

"bd" is not a valid language code. Note that the category tree was deleted last April. Gonnym (talk) 14:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are right, that bd is not a valid language code. But Badisch is my language and it's without a code. How should I express what my mother tongue is?? -- 巴登er 15:21, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm understanding correctly, Badisch is not a language but a term that means Baden dialects so already this isn't really helpful as a single "language" template. The German Wikipedia has de:Dialekte in Baden which lists 7 different dialects which some even have English language articles and valid ISO codes. If you can identify which one you meant, there might already be a template here for that dialect. Gonnym (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's ISO 639-3 South_Franconian_German -- 巴登er 13:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep (versus a Move alternative, not Delete). I am on the fence whether we should insist this userbox be moved to User space, per WP:UBXNS and the nominator's argument. However, I note active users @Badener: and @CaZeRillo: (plus two inactive ones) display this using the Babel template and would need to manually recode it if it were moved in this way. While I sympathize that bd is not a formally "valid language code", in view of the havoc wreaked in recent history by various regimes trying to subjugate cultures and languages as "mere dialects", I am inclined not to set precedent to police genuinely felt or slightly humorous affinities for dialects/languages made in this way. (That would not preclude deleting fake babel userboxes for made up languages, or controversial userboxes that merely serve to inflame nationalist tensions.) Martinp (talk) 13:19, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Adding after reading Gonnym's comment above - if indeed an existing ISO code for a more "recognized" German dialect would serve as well, I'd encourage the creator and others to shift to it. But my reluctance to police language/cultural self-identification still applies. Martinp (talk) 13:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is not in any way a policing of a language. The template is throwing errors because it's usage is incorrect. Anyone can create a userbox for their own usage, but at the minimum, it should not create work for other people (and filling a maintenance category with an unfixable template, is work). Gonnym (talk) 13:37, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would, therefore, some combination of the following editorial actions (i.e. short of deletion) solve the problem? 1) Invoking/transcluding the template directly, outside of the Babel template, 2) Editing the template to not point to a no longer existing category, 3) Moving it to user space? Sorry if naive, I'm not a template or userbox guy. Martinp (talk) 15:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on de-wiki there are around 80 users using this template (or bd-M). In my case most appropriate would be ISO 639-2. The whole dialect distribution in our region is very finely divided. You can easily recognize the dialect from one village over. To keep it simple, Badisch is used as a more general term. I also just recognized that I have been reclassified as Swiss. The babel tag was als, which is Alemannisch, but it somehow shows on my user page as swiss german native speaker, which I am NOT. --CaZeRillo (talk) 14:15, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also just recognized that I have been reclassified as Swiss - what you are referring to is the ISO 639 code for Tosk Albanian, while Alemannic German shares the ISO code with Swiss German. Abusing the system and taking an incorrect language code ("als" for Alemannic) makes a complete mess here. Gonnym (talk) 15:11, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I did some work on the template. It is a valid member of Category:Non-ISO Language user templates. @Gonnym: Are there still errors associated with this template? —Alalch E. 02:11, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.