Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zorin OS

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zorin OS

Yet another flavor of Linux, out of beta for three weeks with a whopping 1500 downloads. Notability not found in first several pages of non-wiki ghits; zero gnews hits. Article has been deleted twice via prod and recreated, so taking this as a sign the deletion is not uncontroversial. Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, ZZZChris here. Firstly about the nearly 1500 downloads, here are the links to the 32 and 64 bit downloads: 32 bit http://www.zshare.net/download/619781508aac3381/ and 64 bit http://www.zshare.net/download/620170359b344c54/ . At the bottom it says how many downloads there were, currently it is 1338 so I rounded to the closest 500 and I got 1500. Unless there was an error with the counter on zshare for 21 days that is how many people downloaded it. Also on notability, Google search "Zorin OS" (including the quotation marks) and see what you get. Camara, an Irish charity is currently testing Zorin Os in Africa and may use it. Camara will get feedback from africa in a few months. Zorin OS is on softpedia and ibiblio.org and will soon be in the distro list on distrowatch. If you need me to change something please tell me or change it yourself. Please don't delete the page. Try to keep it for at least 2 or 3 months until Camara contact the Zorin OS Team with feedback. Please give a proper reason for deleting the page other than claiming that the search results aren't good enough. Mythdora isn't on gnews but is still on wikipedia. Thanks for your help and advice. ZZZChris (talk) 19:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no independent, third-party reliable coverage supporting a verifiable and neutral article to be found at present, no indication that this currently meets our inclusion guidelines. No prejudice against later recreation if reliable sources start covering it in the future. MLauba (talk) 21:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As of right now this OS simply does not meet the notability requirements, if in a few months this OS has become more notable for some reason it can be readded but since we cannot predict the future(see WP:Crystal) it should be deleted. Also see WP:Scrabble, when it is notable then it can be added, it cannot remain just because it may one day be notable. Rcurtis5 (talk) 22:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails to meet notability criteria, simple as. Relies on primary sources only. Rehevkor 20:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand your concerns but how notable do you have to be to stay on wikipedia? Portable firefox is still not notable enough even though there have been dozens of reviews made about it. How come large scam companies like jamba are on wikipedia but small, trustworthy companies like portable apps and software like Zorin OS and portable firefox that are useful, are not good enough for wikipedia? It's time that wikipedia should start helping small scale projects like software, and stop supporting only large companies which are often corrupt and useless, like jamba. Wikipedia started off as a small project to help educate people and was barely known. Without the help of others it wouldn't exist. Its moderaters and other users should stop driving away people because they aren't "notable" enough and should start rating articles by content not by links. Wikipedia should stop acting like a mafia where only the rich and famous can get in and should start helping everyone. ZZZChris (talk) 20:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to take the time to read Wikipedia:N#General_notability_guideline, as I suggested earlier on my talk page, to find out exactly how notable something needs to be. For better or worse, the Wikipedia community has decided that there are minimum standards to be met before inclusion here, and notability is one of them. (Being rich, however, is not. Publicity that is bought isn't independent of the subject, and won't qualify for notability.)

You also should read Wikipedia:SCRABBLE#Scrabble. I'm not in any way implying this is something you made up; I just think it might help you understand notability and the little guy a bit better.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.