Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zena (software)

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The result was 'Delete' Mfield (Oi!) 05:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zena (software)

Non notable software with no third party reliable sources. Was prod'd and deleted but restored even though user states the product is not notable and must use wikpedia for advertisement [User_talk:Xymmax#Zena Removal] 16x9 (talk) 15:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. -- 16x9 (talk) 15:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The lack of current third-party references is due to the fact that there has not yet been any official stable release for zena. As a developer of zena, I want to make sure the tool is stable and secure before making a lot of noise about it. I would really like to avoid having angry users because they lost valuable data.

From this, we could argue that the page should be removed until the software is properly announced. This argument holds, except that there is a gap between "lot's of public noise even if the tool is totally immature" and "no visibility until stable release". We happen to stand in this middle place because invisibility is too hard for the moral of the troops when you don't get paid for your work. But this is just a matter of months since the stable release should be announced before summer 2009. Gazoduc (talk) 07:32, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If morale if a problem, adding articles to wikipedia isn't a solution, be that the morale of people working on a new product, playing in a garage band, editing an unpublished book, a movie not released, (etc.). Speaking as a fellow developer, with 28 years of experience, I would recommend that you start seeding technology reviewers with 'pre-release' versions, much as other companies do, in order to generate buzz and RS articles that can be used to make an article. Ronabop (talk)

Delete. I'm afraid that there simply aren't independent reliable sources to justify a stand alone article. I'm not aware of an appropriate merge target, either. As stated above, I did delete this article as an expired prod, and restored it upon request. Obviously, I will won't be involved in closing this AfD :) Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 13:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-stable, non-released, non-verifiable, non-notable... non-wikipediable. Ronabop (talk)
Delete per above arguments, just not notable enough.TheRingess (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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