Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yosapol Tiangda

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 00:08, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yosapol Tiangda

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:37, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 16:11, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable. —Ed!^(talk) 16:36, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL by a mile. Remake if he does become notable. Lukeno94 (talk) 22:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - article is about a footballer who ~~hasn't played in a fully pro league or represented his country at senior level, which means that the articles fails WP:NFOOTY.~~ Also fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete as per everyone else - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 16:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Source searches are not providing any coverage in reliable sources. As such, the subject does not meet WP:BASIC for a Wikipedia article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 05:18, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Not going to !vote since I'm not familiar with the specific guidelines, but I'd like to point out that some of the above "delete" !votes may have been rather premature. The subject has played multiple games for Buriram United.[1][2] He will also be on the national team for the King's Cup next week.[3] --Paul_012 (talk) 06:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Would the playing in the King's Cup count as a full international appearance? It appears to be a friendly tournament (sometimes involving League XIs and youth teams), whereas the specific guideline calls for appearance in a FIFA-sanctioned senior tournament. On the other hand, the links you've provided prove that he has played in a fully professional league, which satisfies the other specific criteria. In that case, I'm striking my vote. ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 10:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - the subject has played in the Thai Premier League, which is listed as a fully professional league and therefore meets the specific guideline for footballers. However, I'm not sure if there are sources available which would meet the general notability guideline, hence the Weak !vote. ★ Bald Zebra ★ ^talk 10:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment / Delete - could someone please provide a translation for the Thai, I can see the players name is mentioned, but am not sure of the context. Maybe it is my browser but I cannot copy/paste the text on those pages. Is there any proof he actually played. Regardless, the fact that his name brings back precisely 49 Ghits including WP, suggests that he probably fails WP:GNG, particularly since a lot of these articles deal with the upcoming King's come and give specific mention to the fact that a number of people have been rested including their goalkeeper (and I assume as he is the third mentioned keeper, he is the third choice keeper as it is not in alphabetical order). He does seem pretty close to qualifying and seems he will have an article in the future, but not just atthe moment. Fenix down (talk) 12:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Changed my mind based on my comment here. Player has played in a fully professional league and his name pulls back over 40,000 google hits when entered in Thai script. I would prefer to err on the side of caution and note that quite few of the links seem to be football related and as such are probably reliable sources for attaining WP:GNG. I am a little concerned that there are a lot of blunt "delete" comments when there does not seem to be anyone here who can speak Thai and is genuinely capable of commenting on WP:GNG. Fenix down (talk) 14:55, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - He's contracted to a Thai Premier League club. However, can either of the two people whom have voted Keep verify that he has actually played a game for this club? In my search, he hadn't. This is why I voted delete, and I stick with that vote at present. Lukeno94 (talk) 14:02, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Match reports appear to have been supplied above. The name of the player in Thai script is clearly seen in each one.Fenix down (talk) 14:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[EC] The first two links I posted above, as well as these two,[4][5] are match reports which describe him playing. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on assertions he has indeed played in a fully-pro league. Lukeno94 (talk) 15:01, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There does seem to be an indication here from Paul012, who reads Thai that this player fails GNG due to lack of reliable sources even in Thai. Fenix down (talk) 15:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[Moved from above to make more visible] I speak Thai, and having looked through the first few pages of Google results, haven't found what I consider to be in-depth coverage by independent reliable sources. There are database websites noting basic information (age, weight & height) but the news articles mentioning him are brief. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As noted above, I'm not sure how the guidelines should be implemented in the case where a player passes WP:NFOOTY but fails WP:GNG. There are a whole lot of articles on such Thai football players, though. If this ends up deleted then the whole Category:Thai football biography stubs will probably need to be checked. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:08, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The great majority of these sorts of articles fail GNG, but if it passes NFOOTBALL, then it should be kept. It's been established that it does pass that. Lukeno94 (talk) 16:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lukeno94 - WP:NSPORTS (which NFOOTBALL is a part of) states "Please note that ... the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept." and that "standalone articles are required to meet the General Notability Guideline." This means that all footballers that has played in the Thai Premier League (or any fully pro league), but fails WP:GNG, should be deleted. Mentoz86 (talk) 14:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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